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#33 - Communism is the opposite of capitalism... except unlike capit… 12/27/2015 on Communism 0
#52 - mfw "see's"  [+] (2 new replies) 09/16/2015 on panorama +4
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#53 - technobanana (09/16/2015) [-]
Well sorry my brain doesn't work too well when I have only been up for 10 minutes, Sees*
#72 - anon (09/16/2015) [-]
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#188 - You're right, and I agree with wealth not being the solution t… 05/01/2015 on Only a few more bosses +1
#185 - Fair enough, that shows why anti-trust controls need to be enf… 05/01/2015 on Only a few more bosses 0
#183 - I completely agree with the above, in fact cutting the queue o…  [+] (2 new replies) 05/01/2015 on Only a few more bosses +1
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#186 - nigeltheoutlaw (05/01/2015) [-]
Well, I just saw another comment showing this was a fake, so we have no evidence this happened at all lol. I don't see much reason to continue discussing a fake article, but I think you have a decent point nonetheless.
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#188 - kolsinder (05/01/2015) [-]
You're right, and I agree with wealth not being the solution to everything. Well argued!
#173 - The idea behind communism is that everyone is equal in all res…  [+] (4 new replies) 05/01/2015 on Only a few more bosses 0
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#176 - nigeltheoutlaw (05/01/2015) [-]
You don't have to be a communist to think it is morally reprehensible for a man to unfairly leverage their wealth to steal hearts from those that had been waiting for it. It's the equivalent of cutting in line, except your life is on the line instead of just a little bit of time, and no amount of wealth makes that okay. Being rich doesn't make you more deserving of life even if you can game the system to extend your life. I'm not sure how it's regressive to think it's wrong for somebody who is close to the end of their natural lifespan to continue to buy their way to the top of transplant list in front of people who are morel likely to benefit and have been waiting for the limited supply.

Red thumbs are used to show you disagree with a comment. Sorry that bothers you. I rescinded them, if that helps.
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#183 - kolsinder (05/01/2015) [-]
I completely agree with the above, in fact cutting the queue or any other metaphor using wealth is called bribery. However, we have no evidence that the six transplants were stolen from more deserving people. The reason I meant earlier is that it was fair for Rockefeller to leverage his wealth provided it is used to prevent this scenario from reoccurring. If the total money raised from the transplants = technological improvements that end up saving 100 people, would you still feel he is less deserving of one? With your bribery scenario, the money just goes into the bouncers' pockets, unlike here (in theory).

The issue of health services being a public good is of course a massive one, and your government (I'm from the UK) should look to provide free healthcare at one level or another. But in my opinion, it is both regressive and neo-communist to say that this man is scum for using fair resources that will potentially end up being a benefit to society, rather than a cost.

I don't mind. I personally try not to redthumb out of disagreement, but maybe times have changed (I do not go here a lot any more).
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#186 - nigeltheoutlaw (05/01/2015) [-]
Well, I just saw another comment showing this was a fake, so we have no evidence this happened at all lol. I don't see much reason to continue discussing a fake article, but I think you have a decent point nonetheless.
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#188 - kolsinder (05/01/2015) [-]
You're right, and I agree with wealth not being the solution to everything. Well argued!
#150 - Okay, if you factor money out, then how do you decide who is m… 05/01/2015 on Only a few more bosses 0
#140 - *asset-stripped 05/01/2015 on Only a few more bosses 0
#139 - "They give it to some rich old cunt" - could you rem…  [+] (8 new replies) 05/01/2015 on Only a few more bosses 0
#166 - nigeltheoutlaw (05/01/2015) [-]
What the fuck are you going on about? Where did you somehow shoehorn in "neo-communism" into a discussion of an old guy getting six new hears when most people can't even get one? Being rich doesn't make you more deserving of life than other people.
#178 - ratytang (05/01/2015) [-]
you tell him, that man does not deserve 6 more hears, he only need 2
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#173 - kolsinder (05/01/2015) [-]
The idea behind communism is that everyone is equal in all respects, so I think it's fair to relate this to people like you denouncing his choice to improve his life using resources he had earned. You don't "get" heart transplants unless they're a public good, in which case it's up to the state to make sure everyone "gets" one, or is at least equally eligible. Clearly, this isn't the case in America, so they need some mechanism to allocate them fairly – price. Sure, you could argue that he is less deserving because he's old and has already had 5, but that's a subjective claim (I have addressed this in another comment). So for the time being, while the state does not adequately provide heart transplants, this old guy (who, like I said earlier, may even be more deserving of one) is committed to giving thousands if not millions of $$$ to be reinvested into making sure that technology may one day stop this problem.

On the other hand, you say "Being rich doesn't make you more deserving of life than other people.", in itself an agreeable idea, but one that does not address the wider problem. Maybe 'neo-communism' was a harsh term to use, but it's still regressive (in my opinion).

PS: Thanks for redthumbing me to show that your opinion differs to mine.
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#176 - nigeltheoutlaw (05/01/2015) [-]
You don't have to be a communist to think it is morally reprehensible for a man to unfairly leverage their wealth to steal hearts from those that had been waiting for it. It's the equivalent of cutting in line, except your life is on the line instead of just a little bit of time, and no amount of wealth makes that okay. Being rich doesn't make you more deserving of life even if you can game the system to extend your life. I'm not sure how it's regressive to think it's wrong for somebody who is close to the end of their natural lifespan to continue to buy their way to the top of transplant list in front of people who are morel likely to benefit and have been waiting for the limited supply.

Red thumbs are used to show you disagree with a comment. Sorry that bothers you. I rescinded them, if that helps.
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#183 - kolsinder (05/01/2015) [-]
I completely agree with the above, in fact cutting the queue or any other metaphor using wealth is called bribery. However, we have no evidence that the six transplants were stolen from more deserving people. The reason I meant earlier is that it was fair for Rockefeller to leverage his wealth provided it is used to prevent this scenario from reoccurring. If the total money raised from the transplants = technological improvements that end up saving 100 people, would you still feel he is less deserving of one? With your bribery scenario, the money just goes into the bouncers' pockets, unlike here (in theory).

The issue of health services being a public good is of course a massive one, and your government (I'm from the UK) should look to provide free healthcare at one level or another. But in my opinion, it is both regressive and neo-communist to say that this man is scum for using fair resources that will potentially end up being a benefit to society, rather than a cost.

I don't mind. I personally try not to redthumb out of disagreement, but maybe times have changed (I do not go here a lot any more).
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#186 - nigeltheoutlaw (05/01/2015) [-]
Well, I just saw another comment showing this was a fake, so we have no evidence this happened at all lol. I don't see much reason to continue discussing a fake article, but I think you have a decent point nonetheless.
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#188 - kolsinder (05/01/2015) [-]
You're right, and I agree with wealth not being the solution to everything. Well argued!
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#140 - kolsinder (05/01/2015) [-]
*asset-stripped
#137 - >literally stealing the off heart donors Yeah, because …  [+] (4 new replies) 05/01/2015 on Only a few more bosses +3
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#179 - Dragonchampion (05/01/2015) [-]
Way back when the west was new and the Rockefellers gained the first riches, my ancestor was in the oil business as well. My family would have been rich. But when Rockefeller came to my Grandfather and stated he wanted to do a Monopoly, he refused, so Rockefeller drove him out of business. Don't fool yourself into thinking that the Rockefellers are nice people. They're rich assholes who only care about their money.
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#185 - kolsinder (05/01/2015) [-]
Fair enough, that shows why anti-trust controls need to be enforced, but objectively he did give back a lot too. I'm not saying that your ancestors were somehow less worthy, but capitalism does have its flaws.
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#148 - csgtsheep (05/01/2015) [-]
When you're dealing with lives, Its not about the money Rockefeller must've been bumped to the top of the heart transplant list for the sake of his money rather than his need/worthiness, when you're competing with kids and adults that're relying on the slimest chance of a heart coming their way and this guy gets it because he paid his way there, its kinda fucked don't you see that?
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#150 - kolsinder (05/01/2015) [-]
Okay, if you factor money out, then how do you decide who is more worthy? Sure, someone who is 99 years old is less worthy than someone younger, but we say that because we presume the other person will get to live a fulfilling life, so it's a really subjective issue (e.g. the CEO of a major bank might may be old and crusty but at the same time they indirectly affect thousands of employees and millions of people who interact with financial markets). When you factor money in, you see that each of his six transplants would've contributed to R&D, which will hopefully some day ensure that there are no more of these waiting lists.