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User avatar #215 - songemot (10/21/2014) [-]
Right. The frustrating thing is that I'm pretty sure our minds are powerful enough enough to perceive 3D images, it's just that they've never been conditioned to do so. The only way I think we would be able to accomplish this leap (and this is still an unlikely possibility), would be to go backwards first to 1D vision. Someone would have to be hooked up to a special VR machine for months or years, constantly engrossed in an accurate simulation of a 2D universe, complete with 1D vision (or our closest possible imitation of it). Once finishing (if he didn't go insane first), he would probably have a much fuller and deeper appreciation for the significance of 2D vision and 3D space. From there, he might be able to continue forward into an accurate understanding of 4D in its entirety, the same way I did with some of the vaguer and simpler concepts.

However, this would be an enormous waste of time, seeing as it probably wouldn't help anyone else grasp it any better. And again, it probably wouldn't actually work at all.
#218 - kingpongthedon (10/21/2014) [-]
If you're at all interested, there's a fairly short book that attempts to do exactly what you're talking about. It's a weird book by all accounts, but fun if you've got a few hours to kill. Here's a link to it if you're interested:

www.geom.uiuc.edu/~banchoff/Flatland/

And here's Wikipedia's intro on the book, does a much better job describing it than I could:
"Flatland: A Romance of Many Dimensions is an 1884 satirical novella by the English schoolmaster Edwin Abbott Abbott. Writing pseudonymously as "A Square",[1] the book used the fictional two-dimensional world of Flatland to comment on the hierarchy of Victorian culture, but the novella's more enduring contribution is its examination of dimensions.[2]"
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#191 - songemot (10/21/2014) [-]
A room in 4D would work the same way, just with an extra direction. Going back to 2D vs 3D again, let's look at a 2D man in a 2D room. In his universe, he is completely enclosed by thick, opaque walls, but we can still easily see him. (he doesn't know this, though. even though we have a clear line of sight, he us unable to even look in our direction, or even conceive of the direction from which we are looking at him. kinda makes you wonder if 4D people are watching you right now ). To prevent this, he would need 3D walls that stretch outside his universe, that he could never build, see, or even imagine.

From our perspective, of course, he would be precariously close to falling to his doom, were he not locked into 2D space. In the same way, a 4D person looking at you might have the impression that you were constantly on the brink of falling out of the universe, even if all you see is solid ground or walls in all directions.

Of course, I can't begin to actually visualize a 4D room. The best I can do (so far) is understand why I can't understand it.
#203 - kingpongthedon (10/21/2014) [-]
Exactly, I understand the mechanisms of how it would work, but I can't begin to picture them. I could easily work it out mathematically and tell you what those numbers mean for our 4D man, but I cannot begin to translate that math into anything meaningful to my mind's eye. Any analogy we may make between the 2D/3D relation we understand does not do justice to the infinitely more complex 3D/4D relation, so to me it just feels like a cop-out answer. Admittedly, it's probably the best we'll ever be able to do but it just isn't a satisfying answer for me.
User avatar #215 - songemot (10/21/2014) [-]
Right. The frustrating thing is that I'm pretty sure our minds are powerful enough enough to perceive 3D images, it's just that they've never been conditioned to do so. The only way I think we would be able to accomplish this leap (and this is still an unlikely possibility), would be to go backwards first to 1D vision. Someone would have to be hooked up to a special VR machine for months or years, constantly engrossed in an accurate simulation of a 2D universe, complete with 1D vision (or our closest possible imitation of it). Once finishing (if he didn't go insane first), he would probably have a much fuller and deeper appreciation for the significance of 2D vision and 3D space. From there, he might be able to continue forward into an accurate understanding of 4D in its entirety, the same way I did with some of the vaguer and simpler concepts.

However, this would be an enormous waste of time, seeing as it probably wouldn't help anyone else grasp it any better. And again, it probably wouldn't actually work at all.
#218 - kingpongthedon (10/21/2014) [-]
If you're at all interested, there's a fairly short book that attempts to do exactly what you're talking about. It's a weird book by all accounts, but fun if you've got a few hours to kill. Here's a link to it if you're interested:

www.geom.uiuc.edu/~banchoff/Flatland/

And here's Wikipedia's intro on the book, does a much better job describing it than I could:
"Flatland: A Romance of Many Dimensions is an 1884 satirical novella by the English schoolmaster Edwin Abbott Abbott. Writing pseudonymously as "A Square",[1] the book used the fictional two-dimensional world of Flatland to comment on the hierarchy of Victorian culture, but the novella's more enduring contribution is its examination of dimensions.[2]"
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