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#4 - Ah, the best part of Sunday is here. 06/12/2016 on The Monster Under the Bed - 86 +45
#15 - But with what the Japanese have done with it, it's become so m… 06/01/2016 on Pure +1
#13 - Cuckhold. With the punchline usually being that the other man …  [+] (2 new replies) 06/01/2016 on Pure +1
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#14 - leonhardt (06/01/2016) [-]
>Cuckold

You know you could've just said that and I would be disgusted enough already
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#15 - kingoshark (06/01/2016) [-]
But with what the Japanese have done with it, it's become so much more and so much worse.
#66 - 1. If a person is executed for a crime committed, are the Judg…  [+] (1 new reply) 05/11/2016 on He will rise again 0
#67 - empirennn (05/11/2016) [-]
1. Are you arguing every murder in the bible was just punishment for a crime? Surely you are not so naive to say this.
2. I'm pretty sure god is the causal link for the sin. Unless you are going to argue that an omniscient god tempting man would not know the consequences of those actions, I don't see any other way around that.

Because you would be believing in a lie to make yourself feel better? I mean these things have consequences, when you encourage that sort of belief structure you're then encouraging an easier system for people to be manipulated.

I find it hilarious that you are calling me smug, when you've been trying to guilt trip me and scare me from the start.

I actually think the system of sin just doesn't exist. There is no evidence for it and it has all been constructed ad-hoc. It's not even under a moral system.

But sure, act like i'm the one believing in something to make myself feel better. Even though you just argued that's why you believe lol.


#64 - 1. Hard to call it murder when all life belong to God. Hard to…  [+] (3 new replies) 05/11/2016 on He will rise again 0
#65 - empirennn (05/11/2016) [-]
1. Is it? I didn't realize murder was different if someone is in authority. Is that the argument you are making?
2. Well no, it sounds completely immoral and more like a cruel game of "Sims" than anything.
>God creates universe
>Causes sin
>Therefore god is responsible for sending people to hell if they don't "hear his law".



Honestly, it seems more like a guilt-trip tactic than anything. Look at your replies. You paint everyone as sick, sin as the boogeyman, and then say "you need a cure".

Isn't this cult-peddling 101?
#66 - kingoshark (05/11/2016) [-]
1. If a person is executed for a crime committed, are the Judge/Jury/Prosecutor/Man who throws the switch murderers?
2. God didn't cause sin, our original ancestors chose sin, and fucked up the entire human race.

And as much as you want to belittle sin by calling it a "boogey man" that doesn't make it any less the source of all human suffering. I was using an analogy.
Sure the sick motif is a popular one amongst the kool-aid cults.

Honestly, I'm trying to be as patient as possible here and explain things but you seem content with just posting smug Ougi faces and not really listening. Your mocking is more on the subtle side, but you honestly don't really seem all that interested in the answers.

So tell me this: What is wrong with wanting to love and help other people? What's wrong with being selfless? What's wrong with believing that there is divine justice for those who make others suffer and get away with it?
Is that naive?
Probably.
In the end, whatever is, is. You can keep being smug, acting like you bested me by belittling my beliefs and pat yourself on the back. Good for you.

Who knows, maybe you are right, and sin is some construct and God isn't good and he just wants us to dance a little dance and then gleefully giggle while we suffer.

If it makes you feel better.
#67 - empirennn (05/11/2016) [-]
1. Are you arguing every murder in the bible was just punishment for a crime? Surely you are not so naive to say this.
2. I'm pretty sure god is the causal link for the sin. Unless you are going to argue that an omniscient god tempting man would not know the consequences of those actions, I don't see any other way around that.

Because you would be believing in a lie to make yourself feel better? I mean these things have consequences, when you encourage that sort of belief structure you're then encouraging an easier system for people to be manipulated.

I find it hilarious that you are calling me smug, when you've been trying to guilt trip me and scare me from the start.

I actually think the system of sin just doesn't exist. There is no evidence for it and it has all been constructed ad-hoc. It's not even under a moral system.

But sure, act like i'm the one believing in something to make myself feel better. Even though you just argued that's why you believe lol.


#62 - 1. Yes, it is impossible. As I explained in my longer extrapol…  [+] (5 new replies) 05/10/2016 on He will rise again 0
#63 - empirennn (05/11/2016) [-]
1. So has god never murdered or lied to anyone?
2. So god sends people to hell to be damned for eternity, simply for not knowing, believing, or following his laws or in Jesus? Do you believe this system is just?
#64 - kingoshark (05/11/2016) [-]
1. Hard to call it murder when all life belong to God. Hard to call it a lie when God can make anything true. Honestly, that's more in the realm of defining the nature of God and His relationship with mankind. And while I am disinclined to thump Bibles, I'd say that the book of Job does an excellent job of framing the narrative and drawing the lines between God and man.
2. Yeah, doesn't sound fair does it? Thing is, God doesn't owe us anything. When God made mankind, we were sinless. When sin entered the equation, God had every right to wash his hands of us and be done with it. But instead of that, God decided to give us a chance. A small chance, but a chance nonetheless. You have to understand, we aren't born destined for heaven, then make a mistake and end up with a ticket to hell, we are born hell bound.

Mankind is sick, born sick. And God offers a cure. If you refuse the cure and declare the sickness unfair or imaginary, then you'll die of the sickness all the same. If you think "What about all those people that never knew they were sick, and never were offered the cure? That's not fair!" doesn't make you any less in need of a cure. We are a people who spat in the face of the One who made us, shat in his cereal, and pissed in his coffee, and yet he still offers you a place at his table. And you call that unfair, because someone else didn't know there was a place to sit at all.
#65 - empirennn (05/11/2016) [-]
1. Is it? I didn't realize murder was different if someone is in authority. Is that the argument you are making?
2. Well no, it sounds completely immoral and more like a cruel game of "Sims" than anything.
>God creates universe
>Causes sin
>Therefore god is responsible for sending people to hell if they don't "hear his law".



Honestly, it seems more like a guilt-trip tactic than anything. Look at your replies. You paint everyone as sick, sin as the boogeyman, and then say "you need a cure".

Isn't this cult-peddling 101?
#66 - kingoshark (05/11/2016) [-]
1. If a person is executed for a crime committed, are the Judge/Jury/Prosecutor/Man who throws the switch murderers?
2. God didn't cause sin, our original ancestors chose sin, and fucked up the entire human race.

And as much as you want to belittle sin by calling it a "boogey man" that doesn't make it any less the source of all human suffering. I was using an analogy.
Sure the sick motif is a popular one amongst the kool-aid cults.

Honestly, I'm trying to be as patient as possible here and explain things but you seem content with just posting smug Ougi faces and not really listening. Your mocking is more on the subtle side, but you honestly don't really seem all that interested in the answers.

So tell me this: What is wrong with wanting to love and help other people? What's wrong with being selfless? What's wrong with believing that there is divine justice for those who make others suffer and get away with it?
Is that naive?
Probably.
In the end, whatever is, is. You can keep being smug, acting like you bested me by belittling my beliefs and pat yourself on the back. Good for you.

Who knows, maybe you are right, and sin is some construct and God isn't good and he just wants us to dance a little dance and then gleefully giggle while we suffer.

If it makes you feel better.
#67 - empirennn (05/11/2016) [-]
1. Are you arguing every murder in the bible was just punishment for a crime? Surely you are not so naive to say this.
2. I'm pretty sure god is the causal link for the sin. Unless you are going to argue that an omniscient god tempting man would not know the consequences of those actions, I don't see any other way around that.

Because you would be believing in a lie to make yourself feel better? I mean these things have consequences, when you encourage that sort of belief structure you're then encouraging an easier system for people to be manipulated.

I find it hilarious that you are calling me smug, when you've been trying to guilt trip me and scare me from the start.

I actually think the system of sin just doesn't exist. There is no evidence for it and it has all been constructed ad-hoc. It's not even under a moral system.

But sure, act like i'm the one believing in something to make myself feel better. Even though you just argued that's why you believe lol.


#60 - 1. No 2.Yes, but the burden of knowledge is applicable.  [+] (7 new replies) 05/10/2016 on He will rise again 0
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#61 - empirennn (05/10/2016) [-]
1. So it's impossible for god to sin? Not as in "he would never" but he just can't?
2. Explain.
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#62 - kingoshark (05/10/2016) [-]
1. Yes, it is impossible. As I explained in my longer extrapolation of sin, sin is the opposite of God. With it being everything God isn't, it is impossible for God to sin. I know that seems like convenient circular logic, But just like black can't be white, God can't sin.
2. With all of us being God's creation, none of us are exempt form the laws he put down. And just like if you went to a foreign country and broke laws there, the defense of "I'm sorry, I didn't know that was a rule." won't hold much water if the judicial system there is any kind of competent. By the same token, those who are aware of the law should be held to a higher standard. In a perfect system, those whose job it is to know/study/enforce the law would suffer harsher consequences than those who are ignorant of the law. Such it is with God's law. Knowing and willfully ignoring the laws, or worse, leading other people to disobey the laws, brings about the harshest consequences.
#63 - empirennn (05/11/2016) [-]
1. So has god never murdered or lied to anyone?
2. So god sends people to hell to be damned for eternity, simply for not knowing, believing, or following his laws or in Jesus? Do you believe this system is just?
#64 - kingoshark (05/11/2016) [-]
1. Hard to call it murder when all life belong to God. Hard to call it a lie when God can make anything true. Honestly, that's more in the realm of defining the nature of God and His relationship with mankind. And while I am disinclined to thump Bibles, I'd say that the book of Job does an excellent job of framing the narrative and drawing the lines between God and man.
2. Yeah, doesn't sound fair does it? Thing is, God doesn't owe us anything. When God made mankind, we were sinless. When sin entered the equation, God had every right to wash his hands of us and be done with it. But instead of that, God decided to give us a chance. A small chance, but a chance nonetheless. You have to understand, we aren't born destined for heaven, then make a mistake and end up with a ticket to hell, we are born hell bound.

Mankind is sick, born sick. And God offers a cure. If you refuse the cure and declare the sickness unfair or imaginary, then you'll die of the sickness all the same. If you think "What about all those people that never knew they were sick, and never were offered the cure? That's not fair!" doesn't make you any less in need of a cure. We are a people who spat in the face of the One who made us, shat in his cereal, and pissed in his coffee, and yet he still offers you a place at his table. And you call that unfair, because someone else didn't know there was a place to sit at all.
#65 - empirennn (05/11/2016) [-]
1. Is it? I didn't realize murder was different if someone is in authority. Is that the argument you are making?
2. Well no, it sounds completely immoral and more like a cruel game of "Sims" than anything.
>God creates universe
>Causes sin
>Therefore god is responsible for sending people to hell if they don't "hear his law".



Honestly, it seems more like a guilt-trip tactic than anything. Look at your replies. You paint everyone as sick, sin as the boogeyman, and then say "you need a cure".

Isn't this cult-peddling 101?
#66 - kingoshark (05/11/2016) [-]
1. If a person is executed for a crime committed, are the Judge/Jury/Prosecutor/Man who throws the switch murderers?
2. God didn't cause sin, our original ancestors chose sin, and fucked up the entire human race.

And as much as you want to belittle sin by calling it a "boogey man" that doesn't make it any less the source of all human suffering. I was using an analogy.
Sure the sick motif is a popular one amongst the kool-aid cults.

Honestly, I'm trying to be as patient as possible here and explain things but you seem content with just posting smug Ougi faces and not really listening. Your mocking is more on the subtle side, but you honestly don't really seem all that interested in the answers.

So tell me this: What is wrong with wanting to love and help other people? What's wrong with being selfless? What's wrong with believing that there is divine justice for those who make others suffer and get away with it?
Is that naive?
Probably.
In the end, whatever is, is. You can keep being smug, acting like you bested me by belittling my beliefs and pat yourself on the back. Good for you.

Who knows, maybe you are right, and sin is some construct and God isn't good and he just wants us to dance a little dance and then gleefully giggle while we suffer.

If it makes you feel better.
#67 - empirennn (05/11/2016) [-]
1. Are you arguing every murder in the bible was just punishment for a crime? Surely you are not so naive to say this.
2. I'm pretty sure god is the causal link for the sin. Unless you are going to argue that an omniscient god tempting man would not know the consequences of those actions, I don't see any other way around that.

Because you would be believing in a lie to make yourself feel better? I mean these things have consequences, when you encourage that sort of belief structure you're then encouraging an easier system for people to be manipulated.

I find it hilarious that you are calling me smug, when you've been trying to guilt trip me and scare me from the start.

I actually think the system of sin just doesn't exist. There is no evidence for it and it has all been constructed ad-hoc. It's not even under a moral system.

But sure, act like i'm the one believing in something to make myself feel better. Even though you just argued that's why you believe lol.


#58 - Well if you want the textbook definition, sin is simply someth…  [+] (9 new replies) 05/09/2016 on He will rise again 0
#59 - empirennn (05/09/2016) [-]
Well it should be a simple, concise definition given that's the entire point of Christianity.
(I'm honestly baffled at why so many Christians have a hard time defining sin. It's probably the second biggest concept of the religion outside of "God").


Ok well if you view sin as a transgression against the laws, that raises two important questions:
1. Can god violate the laws and therefore sin (verb) ?
2. Are god's laws applicable to those who don't know them?
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#60 - kingoshark (05/10/2016) [-]
1. No
2.Yes, but the burden of knowledge is applicable.
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#61 - empirennn (05/10/2016) [-]
1. So it's impossible for god to sin? Not as in "he would never" but he just can't?
2. Explain.
User avatar
#62 - kingoshark (05/10/2016) [-]
1. Yes, it is impossible. As I explained in my longer extrapolation of sin, sin is the opposite of God. With it being everything God isn't, it is impossible for God to sin. I know that seems like convenient circular logic, But just like black can't be white, God can't sin.
2. With all of us being God's creation, none of us are exempt form the laws he put down. And just like if you went to a foreign country and broke laws there, the defense of "I'm sorry, I didn't know that was a rule." won't hold much water if the judicial system there is any kind of competent. By the same token, those who are aware of the law should be held to a higher standard. In a perfect system, those whose job it is to know/study/enforce the law would suffer harsher consequences than those who are ignorant of the law. Such it is with God's law. Knowing and willfully ignoring the laws, or worse, leading other people to disobey the laws, brings about the harshest consequences.
#63 - empirennn (05/11/2016) [-]
1. So has god never murdered or lied to anyone?
2. So god sends people to hell to be damned for eternity, simply for not knowing, believing, or following his laws or in Jesus? Do you believe this system is just?
#64 - kingoshark (05/11/2016) [-]
1. Hard to call it murder when all life belong to God. Hard to call it a lie when God can make anything true. Honestly, that's more in the realm of defining the nature of God and His relationship with mankind. And while I am disinclined to thump Bibles, I'd say that the book of Job does an excellent job of framing the narrative and drawing the lines between God and man.
2. Yeah, doesn't sound fair does it? Thing is, God doesn't owe us anything. When God made mankind, we were sinless. When sin entered the equation, God had every right to wash his hands of us and be done with it. But instead of that, God decided to give us a chance. A small chance, but a chance nonetheless. You have to understand, we aren't born destined for heaven, then make a mistake and end up with a ticket to hell, we are born hell bound.

Mankind is sick, born sick. And God offers a cure. If you refuse the cure and declare the sickness unfair or imaginary, then you'll die of the sickness all the same. If you think "What about all those people that never knew they were sick, and never were offered the cure? That's not fair!" doesn't make you any less in need of a cure. We are a people who spat in the face of the One who made us, shat in his cereal, and pissed in his coffee, and yet he still offers you a place at his table. And you call that unfair, because someone else didn't know there was a place to sit at all.
#65 - empirennn (05/11/2016) [-]
1. Is it? I didn't realize murder was different if someone is in authority. Is that the argument you are making?
2. Well no, it sounds completely immoral and more like a cruel game of "Sims" than anything.
>God creates universe
>Causes sin
>Therefore god is responsible for sending people to hell if they don't "hear his law".



Honestly, it seems more like a guilt-trip tactic than anything. Look at your replies. You paint everyone as sick, sin as the boogeyman, and then say "you need a cure".

Isn't this cult-peddling 101?
#66 - kingoshark (05/11/2016) [-]
1. If a person is executed for a crime committed, are the Judge/Jury/Prosecutor/Man who throws the switch murderers?
2. God didn't cause sin, our original ancestors chose sin, and fucked up the entire human race.

And as much as you want to belittle sin by calling it a "boogey man" that doesn't make it any less the source of all human suffering. I was using an analogy.
Sure the sick motif is a popular one amongst the kool-aid cults.

Honestly, I'm trying to be as patient as possible here and explain things but you seem content with just posting smug Ougi faces and not really listening. Your mocking is more on the subtle side, but you honestly don't really seem all that interested in the answers.

So tell me this: What is wrong with wanting to love and help other people? What's wrong with being selfless? What's wrong with believing that there is divine justice for those who make others suffer and get away with it?
Is that naive?
Probably.
In the end, whatever is, is. You can keep being smug, acting like you bested me by belittling my beliefs and pat yourself on the back. Good for you.

Who knows, maybe you are right, and sin is some construct and God isn't good and he just wants us to dance a little dance and then gleefully giggle while we suffer.

If it makes you feel better.
#67 - empirennn (05/11/2016) [-]
1. Are you arguing every murder in the bible was just punishment for a crime? Surely you are not so naive to say this.
2. I'm pretty sure god is the causal link for the sin. Unless you are going to argue that an omniscient god tempting man would not know the consequences of those actions, I don't see any other way around that.

Because you would be believing in a lie to make yourself feel better? I mean these things have consequences, when you encourage that sort of belief structure you're then encouraging an easier system for people to be manipulated.

I find it hilarious that you are calling me smug, when you've been trying to guilt trip me and scare me from the start.

I actually think the system of sin just doesn't exist. There is no evidence for it and it has all been constructed ad-hoc. It's not even under a moral system.

But sure, act like i'm the one believing in something to make myself feel better. Even though you just argued that's why you believe lol.


#56 - Sin is the opposite of God. Where God is limitless, sin is lim…  [+] (11 new replies) 05/08/2016 on He will rise again 0
#57 - empirennn (05/08/2016) [-]
Do you really not have a concise definition? I feel like I'm playing 20 questions here with the "sin is this and that" vague stuff.

Sin is the opposite of God. What does that even mean? Is sin the "unperfect, powerless, unintelligent person"? Do you view god as simply "goodness" and not an entity?

Where God is limitless, sin is limited. All of god's creation is limited. Did god not create sin then?
Where God is good, sin is evil. Sin being evil sounds like your definition of something with a synonym.
Anything that is not Godliness is sin. So all of god's creation.

I'm not romanticizing sin here, I'm seriously wondering if you know what sin is.

Because to me, you seem to paint it as the boogeyman but your definitions of it itself are nowhere near concise.

It's like you're encouraging fear but fear of what?
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#58 - kingoshark (05/09/2016) [-]
Well if you want the textbook definition, sin is simply something wrong, or a transgression against the laws set down by God. I know that just sounds like using synonyms or using something more complex to define something simple, but when you are trying to nail down abstract concepts of feels the need to extrapolate.

Sin is not like a simple math equation. It is a concept like love. Easy to understand, but good luck having a concise definition that truly encapsulates the full meaning and extent of the concept. Especially without using synonyms that are equally difficult to explain.
#59 - empirennn (05/09/2016) [-]
Well it should be a simple, concise definition given that's the entire point of Christianity.
(I'm honestly baffled at why so many Christians have a hard time defining sin. It's probably the second biggest concept of the religion outside of "God").


Ok well if you view sin as a transgression against the laws, that raises two important questions:
1. Can god violate the laws and therefore sin (verb) ?
2. Are god's laws applicable to those who don't know them?
User avatar
#60 - kingoshark (05/10/2016) [-]
1. No
2.Yes, but the burden of knowledge is applicable.
User avatar
#61 - empirennn (05/10/2016) [-]
1. So it's impossible for god to sin? Not as in "he would never" but he just can't?
2. Explain.
User avatar
#62 - kingoshark (05/10/2016) [-]
1. Yes, it is impossible. As I explained in my longer extrapolation of sin, sin is the opposite of God. With it being everything God isn't, it is impossible for God to sin. I know that seems like convenient circular logic, But just like black can't be white, God can't sin.
2. With all of us being God's creation, none of us are exempt form the laws he put down. And just like if you went to a foreign country and broke laws there, the defense of "I'm sorry, I didn't know that was a rule." won't hold much water if the judicial system there is any kind of competent. By the same token, those who are aware of the law should be held to a higher standard. In a perfect system, those whose job it is to know/study/enforce the law would suffer harsher consequences than those who are ignorant of the law. Such it is with God's law. Knowing and willfully ignoring the laws, or worse, leading other people to disobey the laws, brings about the harshest consequences.
#63 - empirennn (05/11/2016) [-]
1. So has god never murdered or lied to anyone?
2. So god sends people to hell to be damned for eternity, simply for not knowing, believing, or following his laws or in Jesus? Do you believe this system is just?
#64 - kingoshark (05/11/2016) [-]
1. Hard to call it murder when all life belong to God. Hard to call it a lie when God can make anything true. Honestly, that's more in the realm of defining the nature of God and His relationship with mankind. And while I am disinclined to thump Bibles, I'd say that the book of Job does an excellent job of framing the narrative and drawing the lines between God and man.
2. Yeah, doesn't sound fair does it? Thing is, God doesn't owe us anything. When God made mankind, we were sinless. When sin entered the equation, God had every right to wash his hands of us and be done with it. But instead of that, God decided to give us a chance. A small chance, but a chance nonetheless. You have to understand, we aren't born destined for heaven, then make a mistake and end up with a ticket to hell, we are born hell bound.

Mankind is sick, born sick. And God offers a cure. If you refuse the cure and declare the sickness unfair or imaginary, then you'll die of the sickness all the same. If you think "What about all those people that never knew they were sick, and never were offered the cure? That's not fair!" doesn't make you any less in need of a cure. We are a people who spat in the face of the One who made us, shat in his cereal, and pissed in his coffee, and yet he still offers you a place at his table. And you call that unfair, because someone else didn't know there was a place to sit at all.
#65 - empirennn (05/11/2016) [-]
1. Is it? I didn't realize murder was different if someone is in authority. Is that the argument you are making?
2. Well no, it sounds completely immoral and more like a cruel game of "Sims" than anything.
>God creates universe
>Causes sin
>Therefore god is responsible for sending people to hell if they don't "hear his law".



Honestly, it seems more like a guilt-trip tactic than anything. Look at your replies. You paint everyone as sick, sin as the boogeyman, and then say "you need a cure".

Isn't this cult-peddling 101?
#66 - kingoshark (05/11/2016) [-]
1. If a person is executed for a crime committed, are the Judge/Jury/Prosecutor/Man who throws the switch murderers?
2. God didn't cause sin, our original ancestors chose sin, and fucked up the entire human race.

And as much as you want to belittle sin by calling it a "boogey man" that doesn't make it any less the source of all human suffering. I was using an analogy.
Sure the sick motif is a popular one amongst the kool-aid cults.

Honestly, I'm trying to be as patient as possible here and explain things but you seem content with just posting smug Ougi faces and not really listening. Your mocking is more on the subtle side, but you honestly don't really seem all that interested in the answers.

So tell me this: What is wrong with wanting to love and help other people? What's wrong with being selfless? What's wrong with believing that there is divine justice for those who make others suffer and get away with it?
Is that naive?
Probably.
In the end, whatever is, is. You can keep being smug, acting like you bested me by belittling my beliefs and pat yourself on the back. Good for you.

Who knows, maybe you are right, and sin is some construct and God isn't good and he just wants us to dance a little dance and then gleefully giggle while we suffer.

If it makes you feel better.
#67 - empirennn (05/11/2016) [-]
1. Are you arguing every murder in the bible was just punishment for a crime? Surely you are not so naive to say this.
2. I'm pretty sure god is the causal link for the sin. Unless you are going to argue that an omniscient god tempting man would not know the consequences of those actions, I don't see any other way around that.

Because you would be believing in a lie to make yourself feel better? I mean these things have consequences, when you encourage that sort of belief structure you're then encouraging an easier system for people to be manipulated.

I find it hilarious that you are calling me smug, when you've been trying to guilt trip me and scare me from the start.

I actually think the system of sin just doesn't exist. There is no evidence for it and it has all been constructed ad-hoc. It's not even under a moral system.

But sure, act like i'm the one believing in something to make myself feel better. Even though you just argued that's why you believe lol.


#54 - Well, using the Bible as a source, the Ten commandments are pr…  [+] (13 new replies) 05/08/2016 on He will rise again 0
#55 - empirennn (05/08/2016) [-]
Not what counts as sin or can be labeled "sinful".

What is sin?

I'm just curious as to what conclusion you've came to as you seem to understand the general notions of what can be labeled as "sinful", but you don't seem to be able to define sin itself.



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#56 - kingoshark (05/08/2016) [-]
Sin is the opposite of God. Where God is limitless, sin is limited. Where God is good, sin is evil. Anything that is not Godliness is sin. Where God is love, sin is hate. Where God is compassion, sin is cruelty. Where God is happiness, peace of mind, and joy, sin is depression, and angst.
Anything that romanticizes sin as somehow "improving" the human experience needs to take a hard look at the pain of today and the wounds of the past.
#57 - empirennn (05/08/2016) [-]
Do you really not have a concise definition? I feel like I'm playing 20 questions here with the "sin is this and that" vague stuff.

Sin is the opposite of God. What does that even mean? Is sin the "unperfect, powerless, unintelligent person"? Do you view god as simply "goodness" and not an entity?

Where God is limitless, sin is limited. All of god's creation is limited. Did god not create sin then?
Where God is good, sin is evil. Sin being evil sounds like your definition of something with a synonym.
Anything that is not Godliness is sin. So all of god's creation.

I'm not romanticizing sin here, I'm seriously wondering if you know what sin is.

Because to me, you seem to paint it as the boogeyman but your definitions of it itself are nowhere near concise.

It's like you're encouraging fear but fear of what?
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#58 - kingoshark (05/09/2016) [-]
Well if you want the textbook definition, sin is simply something wrong, or a transgression against the laws set down by God. I know that just sounds like using synonyms or using something more complex to define something simple, but when you are trying to nail down abstract concepts of feels the need to extrapolate.

Sin is not like a simple math equation. It is a concept like love. Easy to understand, but good luck having a concise definition that truly encapsulates the full meaning and extent of the concept. Especially without using synonyms that are equally difficult to explain.
#59 - empirennn (05/09/2016) [-]
Well it should be a simple, concise definition given that's the entire point of Christianity.
(I'm honestly baffled at why so many Christians have a hard time defining sin. It's probably the second biggest concept of the religion outside of "God").


Ok well if you view sin as a transgression against the laws, that raises two important questions:
1. Can god violate the laws and therefore sin (verb) ?
2. Are god's laws applicable to those who don't know them?
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#60 - kingoshark (05/10/2016) [-]
1. No
2.Yes, but the burden of knowledge is applicable.
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#61 - empirennn (05/10/2016) [-]
1. So it's impossible for god to sin? Not as in "he would never" but he just can't?
2. Explain.
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#62 - kingoshark (05/10/2016) [-]
1. Yes, it is impossible. As I explained in my longer extrapolation of sin, sin is the opposite of God. With it being everything God isn't, it is impossible for God to sin. I know that seems like convenient circular logic, But just like black can't be white, God can't sin.
2. With all of us being God's creation, none of us are exempt form the laws he put down. And just like if you went to a foreign country and broke laws there, the defense of "I'm sorry, I didn't know that was a rule." won't hold much water if the judicial system there is any kind of competent. By the same token, those who are aware of the law should be held to a higher standard. In a perfect system, those whose job it is to know/study/enforce the law would suffer harsher consequences than those who are ignorant of the law. Such it is with God's law. Knowing and willfully ignoring the laws, or worse, leading other people to disobey the laws, brings about the harshest consequences.
#63 - empirennn (05/11/2016) [-]
1. So has god never murdered or lied to anyone?
2. So god sends people to hell to be damned for eternity, simply for not knowing, believing, or following his laws or in Jesus? Do you believe this system is just?
#64 - kingoshark (05/11/2016) [-]
1. Hard to call it murder when all life belong to God. Hard to call it a lie when God can make anything true. Honestly, that's more in the realm of defining the nature of God and His relationship with mankind. And while I am disinclined to thump Bibles, I'd say that the book of Job does an excellent job of framing the narrative and drawing the lines between God and man.
2. Yeah, doesn't sound fair does it? Thing is, God doesn't owe us anything. When God made mankind, we were sinless. When sin entered the equation, God had every right to wash his hands of us and be done with it. But instead of that, God decided to give us a chance. A small chance, but a chance nonetheless. You have to understand, we aren't born destined for heaven, then make a mistake and end up with a ticket to hell, we are born hell bound.

Mankind is sick, born sick. And God offers a cure. If you refuse the cure and declare the sickness unfair or imaginary, then you'll die of the sickness all the same. If you think "What about all those people that never knew they were sick, and never were offered the cure? That's not fair!" doesn't make you any less in need of a cure. We are a people who spat in the face of the One who made us, shat in his cereal, and pissed in his coffee, and yet he still offers you a place at his table. And you call that unfair, because someone else didn't know there was a place to sit at all.
#65 - empirennn (05/11/2016) [-]
1. Is it? I didn't realize murder was different if someone is in authority. Is that the argument you are making?
2. Well no, it sounds completely immoral and more like a cruel game of "Sims" than anything.
>God creates universe
>Causes sin
>Therefore god is responsible for sending people to hell if they don't "hear his law".



Honestly, it seems more like a guilt-trip tactic than anything. Look at your replies. You paint everyone as sick, sin as the boogeyman, and then say "you need a cure".

Isn't this cult-peddling 101?
#66 - kingoshark (05/11/2016) [-]
1. If a person is executed for a crime committed, are the Judge/Jury/Prosecutor/Man who throws the switch murderers?
2. God didn't cause sin, our original ancestors chose sin, and fucked up the entire human race.

And as much as you want to belittle sin by calling it a "boogey man" that doesn't make it any less the source of all human suffering. I was using an analogy.
Sure the sick motif is a popular one amongst the kool-aid cults.

Honestly, I'm trying to be as patient as possible here and explain things but you seem content with just posting smug Ougi faces and not really listening. Your mocking is more on the subtle side, but you honestly don't really seem all that interested in the answers.

So tell me this: What is wrong with wanting to love and help other people? What's wrong with being selfless? What's wrong with believing that there is divine justice for those who make others suffer and get away with it?
Is that naive?
Probably.
In the end, whatever is, is. You can keep being smug, acting like you bested me by belittling my beliefs and pat yourself on the back. Good for you.

Who knows, maybe you are right, and sin is some construct and God isn't good and he just wants us to dance a little dance and then gleefully giggle while we suffer.

If it makes you feel better.
#67 - empirennn (05/11/2016) [-]
1. Are you arguing every murder in the bible was just punishment for a crime? Surely you are not so naive to say this.
2. I'm pretty sure god is the causal link for the sin. Unless you are going to argue that an omniscient god tempting man would not know the consequences of those actions, I don't see any other way around that.

Because you would be believing in a lie to make yourself feel better? I mean these things have consequences, when you encourage that sort of belief structure you're then encouraging an easier system for people to be manipulated.

I find it hilarious that you are calling me smug, when you've been trying to guilt trip me and scare me from the start.

I actually think the system of sin just doesn't exist. There is no evidence for it and it has all been constructed ad-hoc. It's not even under a moral system.

But sure, act like i'm the one believing in something to make myself feel better. Even though you just argued that's why you believe lol.


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