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#28 - thirdjess (03/24/2016) [-]
Not necessarily true. What defines terrorism? According to google: the unofficial or unauthorized use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims. Is the USAs drone bombing not terrorism? Is a group of angry Christians shooting at a Planned Parenthood not terrorism?
#29 - iamkagji (03/24/2016) [-]
USA's bombing IS official, and not targeting civilians or utilizing shock and awe tactics. The point is to kill people, not put fear in them. That's just a bonus, and part of the psychological warfare aspect of bombing. Christians shooting at planned parenthood certainly is terrorism, though. You will note, however, that I never said that there were non-Muslim terrorists. I actually said the exact opposite.
Way to miss the point completely, buddy.
#30 - thirdjess (03/24/2016) [-]
You said that they make up a huge majority of Islam. You missed my point, which is terrorism is still terrorism, even if it isn't called terrorism. The US bullshit that pretty much started all the conflicts in the middle east was not official. To an extent, the drone bombing going on currently is not official, because they are shooting civilians. Perhaps not intentionally.
Off the top of my head, I think the statistic reads that only 6% of the by definition terrorist actions in the USA are Islamic Extremism, and only 3% in the UK.
#32 - thirdjess (03/24/2016) [-]
And, tbh, it's not official for the people getting bombed. If you frame it as such:
Place A says they need to attack Place B because Place B is threatening them. That makes it official on Place A's side, but not on Place B.
America says they need to attack Iraq because Iraq is threatening them. That makes it official in America, but not in Iraq.
Al-Qaeda (a governing body in Syria) says they need to attack America because America is threatening them. That makes it official in Syria, but not in America.
#48 - iamkagji (03/24/2016) [-]
I have not been hypocritical at all. You are trying to equate any killing via explosives to terrorism, which is just not the case.
US drone strikes are targeted at enemy fighters. The point is not to put fear into the populace, it is to kill and demoralize a violent and dangerous enemy. Sometimes there is collateral damage, and while that is a crying shame it is still not terrorism.
ISIS bombings are targeted at defenseless civilians. The point is to eliminate their ability to feel safe, to demoralize the populace and to make it clear that these attacks can happen any time and anywhere; that they are going to continue killing anyone that does not wholly submit to their dogma and rule. There is no such thing as collateral damage with these attacks, because mass death to cause terror is the only goal. This is terrorism.
Learn the difference.
This is why I keep calling you a retard. Because you are retarded.
#49 - thirdjess (03/24/2016) [-]
Since September, we've bombed 4 hospitals. At least 550 civilian deaths from drones, and an estimated 7000 civilian deaths from a different kind of bomb. We've been known to target small farming downs specifically. How the fuck is targeting civilian farmers 'just collateral damage'
#50 - iamkagji (03/24/2016) [-]
Those are pretty tiny numbers, to be honest. If intelligence says that this farmer is hiding weapons or housing insurgents, they are going to bomb him. That's how it works. That does not make it terrorism, it just might be a horrible mistake based on bad information. That happens sometimes. You are still demonstrating an utter lack of comprehension between intentional civilian casualties to cause fear and acceptable civilian casualties in pursuit of a high-value target. War is about killing people, I don't see how you fail to understand that.
#53 - thirdjess (03/24/2016) [-]
The concept you're not seeming to grasp, is that you have to think of this from their point of view. They are terrified. They hate us because we bomb them. Because their media is telling them we are bombing them for no good reason. Because their media wants them to think of us as the enemy. Sound familiar?
We can have all the paperwork and justification we want, but it is completely irrelevant TO THEM.
And, to an extent, this is all irrelevant, because the point is that a majority of terrorism isn't perpetrated in the name of Islamic extrem
#51 - thirdjess (03/24/2016) [-]
550 civilian deaths in a quarter of a year compared to the whopping 17 in 2015.
Again, it is hypocrisy. To us (to you), it is 'acceptable civilian casualty'. To them, it's getting bombed to shit because of a rumour. They've started just flat bombing truck drivers on a certain stretch of road, and an important trade route, because they MIGHT secretly be carrying weapons. With no intelligence, they just MIGHT be. And the pentagon wants to change the laws around drones so that there are more civilian deaths.
#52 - iamkagji (03/24/2016) [-]
It's not hypocrisy at all. It's war. It is also NOT TERRORISM. It is collateral damage. The goal is not to kill civilians for the purpose of causing fear. Without that key component, it is not terrorism. How are you not getting this.
What you seem to be doing is speaking out against war in general. If that is the case, then fine. However, you cannot completely disregard the definition of terrorism just because it seems convenient for you. Terrorism only works when the government cares about the people anyway, and ISIS doesn't give a fuck about its own fighters. Do you honestly think that making targeted attacks on civilians would have any effect on them unless it fucked with their supply lines, safe houses and outposts? Because if you do, then you are quite possibly the most idiotic person I have ever met, and if you continue to call drone strikes terrorism after this you will only be showing that to be true.
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#35 - SuperCollider (03/24/2016) [-]
But have you ever heard of the Old Testament?
1 Samuel 18:27
"David took his men with him and went out and killed two hundred Philistines and brought back their foreskins. They counted out the full number to the king so that David might become the king's son-in-law. Then Saul gave him his daughter Michal in marriage."
#40 - anon (03/24/2016) [-]
Wow, that's dark. Good thing that's not part of Islam. Although Judaism, Christianity and Islam all have in common with each other. I just can't remember what. I think it rhymes with The Fold Festament.
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