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#26 - questionableferret (08/29/2016) [-]
Point stands that Lucy is the best idea in the series, better than everything else by miles, but is marred by still being authored by Mashima.
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#27 - kinginthenorth (18 hours ago) [-]
Yeah, Lucy is the most interesting, mostly because she's of her magic. Feels as if she was the one good idea he had in the start and he's keeping it up somewhat.
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#18 - One Piece really works on building up the world they're going …  [+] (4 new replies) 08/28/2016 on Frogs 0
#21 - questionableferret (08/28/2016) [-]
Horikoshi's previous manga, Barrage, never got off the ground but you can still see his eye for character design even there. I think he and Yasuhisa Hara are the best character designers I've come across in manga, with the latter managing to create memorable and unique character designs even when the characters aren't allowed to look too absurd and keeping them all looking fairly consistent with a realistic art style.

As for Fairy Tail, there is one strange case in the series that despite the arc always manages to buck Hiro Mashima's trends (though this character has earned her own trend) and that's Lucy. Said trend is 'The Narrative will shit all over Lucy' which Hiro never strays far from, however Lucy herself never seems to deserve it because regardless of how kicked about she gets she still somehow works as the only redeeming quality of Fairy Tail.

Lucy's character arc is a slow-burn, but a rewarding one. She really is the archetypal diamond in the rough in a narrative sense. She acts as the series narrator through characterised in-universe letters she sends to her deceased mother, a tool that informs the reader but only of information that the characters themselves have knowledge of, and demonstrates Lucy's personality, history, and life-goals. She has goals outside of simply being a mage (that she actively pursues) unlike every other character in the series, namely that she wants to be a writer. Her magic is a quick and effective means to bring new characters to the story without needing them to stick around all the time, having the same effect as Horikoshi's style but with the added benefit that it is as and when it is needed. (Just a shame that 7/9 of those spirits are played for fucking laughs every time they appear.)

Those spirits later return giving Lucy new costumes which is another interesting twist to the power (and once again 'tis a shame that this is only used for fanservice purposes).

The first big arc in Fairy Tail focusses around Lucy and her resolve to fight is the lynchpin of the series and serves as the single biggest driving moment of the theme of the story with the entire guild willing to fight and die to protect someone they have only recently accepted into their family.

Lucy manages to stand up to the spirit king, saving someone's life through sheer force of will and personality and inadvertently furthering her own power in the process.

Lucy's spirits are used to develop Angel as a credible antagonist as she is the one that killed Loki's former master and she uses Aeries to nullify Lucy's strongest spirit, this Lucy's power has the most interesting counter of any in the series, namely that all of her attacks revolve around other people being willing to attack the enemy for her. Of course nothing like this ever happens again.

In the Tenrou Island Arc Lucy's foil is Capricorn, once again joining her personal development to her power level, and in the tournament Arc Lucy is used as the sacrificial lamb to demonstrate just how fucking evil Raven Tail are (and interesting to note that Raven Tail haven't done ANYTHING else since getting handily defeated offscreen by Laxus. Fucking Rip.)

The big moment of development for Lucy is when she breaks Aquarius' key and in doing so basically saves the world at the cost of effectively killing her friend. This turned out not to be too permenant a thing but even then it ended up coming back in a good way as Lucy now has a SECOND motivating factor to pursue outside of being a mage, namely finding Aquarius.

During the second time skip it is Lucy that keeps everyone connected even if they don't know it, and it is Lucy that demonstrates above all others that she is the only person in Fairy Tail deserving of the title of Guild Master (even though Makarov has gotten the title three times, and Erza gets it 'just 'cus', and Gildartz has it for all of 2 seconds).

Basically, Lucy is the saving grace of Fairy Tail, and it feels like she is written by a better writer.
#25 - kinginthenorth (08/29/2016) [-]
Yusuke Murata's also up there for me. Though he can only design some of the background characters or new characters in the extra chapters that arcs get. I think his art quality contributes though.

I feel as if even the Lucy Abuse and subsequent growth is becoming part of the standard formula. Hell, her future self got straight up killed and she just got more resolved about stopping whatever's happening. I cant think of any recent wins where Lucy's spirits were really useful though, since they always lose against any enemy that's above grunt.
The sad thing about the spirits aswell is that, despite having 9 of them, she only uses 2 reguraly. It used to be 3, but since Aquarius is now broken, she only really uses Taurus or Loki. Capricorn or Scorpio havent really shown up, despite Lucy having the ability put out 2 spirits at once and both of them being well suited to combat.
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#26 - questionableferret (08/29/2016) [-]
Point stands that Lucy is the best idea in the series, better than everything else by miles, but is marred by still being authored by Mashima.
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#27 - kinginthenorth (18 hours ago) [-]
Yeah, Lucy is the most interesting, mostly because she's of her magic. Feels as if she was the one good idea he had in the start and he's keeping it up somewhat.
#20 - >> #16 , >> #18 , page 15 All i did was … 08/28/2016 on Stronk soviet lolis +4
#14 - I guess. I was expecting them to do more than just the intro a…  [+] (7 new replies) 08/28/2016 on Frogs +1
#16 - questionableferret (08/28/2016) [-]
(Since it's on my mind I'll also note that Kingdom is another interesting example of streamlining, as its arcs deal with ENORMOUS battles of massive scale and yet the mangaka manages this by using these battles as the backdrop for the personal story of three four important characters, whilst all of the other characters are just there to show up every so-often to demonstrate scale and the way the battle is unfolding on other fronts of the fight for maybe a few pages at a time. It is a very efficient manga.)
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#15 - questionableferret (08/28/2016) [-]
Hero Academia feels like a fast manga because it is a well written, concise manga.

One Piece is a laborious affair whereby arcs last for years and are filled to the brim with a hundred different things going on and that's fine because it's almost old enough to drive and the complexity of the narrative has just increased steadily over time as these characters have dived into more and more important issues. This isn't a bad thing, it's just a different kind of story.

Fairy Tail is far less complex than One Piece, and is of a far lesser quality than most other well-known shounen manga, mainly due to how bad Hiro Mashima is at writing. His arcs are laborious not because they have a lot to juggle like One Piece, but because Hiro Mashima is very bad at streamlining his story and cutting out the superfluous bits. He used to be much better at it than he is now, but the point stands.

Meanwhile Horikoshi isn't writing a story where the main characters get involved with the socio-political inner-workings of an usurped pirate city-state built on the back of mind-controlled slaves, and his arcs thus-far have taken the approach whereby he often doubles-up on his characters, meaning instead of having one villain per hero, it is two heroes vs each villain. This has the triple benefit of creating more memorable and unique dynamics, emphasising the fact that the protagonists are still young and weak, and it lowers the amount of superfluous chaff that gets thrown into the arc. Everyone included in the arc is there for a very good reason that affects multiple elements in the story as opposed to "he's there so he can fight Gray" and so on.

More than that Horikoshi also likes to write arcs that exclude other characters. Unlike One Piece where you need to be acutely aware of where every character is at a given moment Hero Academia favours arcs that can focus on closed action narratives with just a few important characters at a time to keep things concise, and it also allows him to use a revolving-door system for which characters can be involved in which arcs.

Naruto TRIED to do this, with its biggest example being the Sound 5 Arc (also known as the best arc in Naruto with some of the best fight scenes in all of Shounen) but failed to deliver on its promises once Shippuden hit, meanwhile Hero Academia has never settled on a specific 'main cast', with some clear leading characters that are often excluded from being important in the narrative with the notable exception of Deku.

Anyway, as you can see I take great interest in how these different shounen stack up to each-other, and I am continually impressed at how Horikoshi manages to make a lot out of very little (e.g: this new arc just starting immediately raises the stakes very high and splits away a bunch of characters leaving the audience with an unconventional grouping of characters as our presumed leads for the arc whereas Fairy Tail would include Natsu, Lucy, Gray, Erza, Wendy, and maybe some others without questioning wether or not they should be there.)
#18 - kinginthenorth (08/28/2016) [-]
One Piece really works on building up the world they're going through, which Hero Academia doesnt really have to bother with. They just stick to training locations and the academy, so it can focus better on other things. It's more action, as opposed to One Piece's adventure.

Hiro's arcs got pretty formulaic after a while. He'd be much more interesting if he'd actually deviate from what he's done for the last few arcs like actually letting characters STAY DEAD. Gajeel's "death" lost all of its meaning because he was back up again a chapter or 2 later. . But every time he does deviate, he just reverses it, so it's not interesting anymore.

I just read One Piece for the adventure. I read Fairy Tail for the uh... "art" and it seems as if it's actually ending somewhat soon, with the 2 final bosses being there.

Personally i like how Hori manages to come up with good designs for everything. The Quirks are all relatively unique and the way they get matched up creates some great moments like pic related. Having the very large main cast of just "Class 1-A" works in Hori's favor for keeping the action interesting aswell.
#21 - questionableferret (08/28/2016) [-]
Horikoshi's previous manga, Barrage, never got off the ground but you can still see his eye for character design even there. I think he and Yasuhisa Hara are the best character designers I've come across in manga, with the latter managing to create memorable and unique character designs even when the characters aren't allowed to look too absurd and keeping them all looking fairly consistent with a realistic art style.

As for Fairy Tail, there is one strange case in the series that despite the arc always manages to buck Hiro Mashima's trends (though this character has earned her own trend) and that's Lucy. Said trend is 'The Narrative will shit all over Lucy' which Hiro never strays far from, however Lucy herself never seems to deserve it because regardless of how kicked about she gets she still somehow works as the only redeeming quality of Fairy Tail.

Lucy's character arc is a slow-burn, but a rewarding one. She really is the archetypal diamond in the rough in a narrative sense. She acts as the series narrator through characterised in-universe letters she sends to her deceased mother, a tool that informs the reader but only of information that the characters themselves have knowledge of, and demonstrates Lucy's personality, history, and life-goals. She has goals outside of simply being a mage (that she actively pursues) unlike every other character in the series, namely that she wants to be a writer. Her magic is a quick and effective means to bring new characters to the story without needing them to stick around all the time, having the same effect as Horikoshi's style but with the added benefit that it is as and when it is needed. (Just a shame that 7/9 of those spirits are played for fucking laughs every time they appear.)

Those spirits later return giving Lucy new costumes which is another interesting twist to the power (and once again 'tis a shame that this is only used for fanservice purposes).

The first big arc in Fairy Tail focusses around Lucy and her resolve to fight is the lynchpin of the series and serves as the single biggest driving moment of the theme of the story with the entire guild willing to fight and die to protect someone they have only recently accepted into their family.

Lucy manages to stand up to the spirit king, saving someone's life through sheer force of will and personality and inadvertently furthering her own power in the process.

Lucy's spirits are used to develop Angel as a credible antagonist as she is the one that killed Loki's former master and she uses Aeries to nullify Lucy's strongest spirit, this Lucy's power has the most interesting counter of any in the series, namely that all of her attacks revolve around other people being willing to attack the enemy for her. Of course nothing like this ever happens again.

In the Tenrou Island Arc Lucy's foil is Capricorn, once again joining her personal development to her power level, and in the tournament Arc Lucy is used as the sacrificial lamb to demonstrate just how fucking evil Raven Tail are (and interesting to note that Raven Tail haven't done ANYTHING else since getting handily defeated offscreen by Laxus. Fucking Rip.)

The big moment of development for Lucy is when she breaks Aquarius' key and in doing so basically saves the world at the cost of effectively killing her friend. This turned out not to be too permenant a thing but even then it ended up coming back in a good way as Lucy now has a SECOND motivating factor to pursue outside of being a mage, namely finding Aquarius.

During the second time skip it is Lucy that keeps everyone connected even if they don't know it, and it is Lucy that demonstrates above all others that she is the only person in Fairy Tail deserving of the title of Guild Master (even though Makarov has gotten the title three times, and Erza gets it 'just 'cus', and Gildartz has it for all of 2 seconds).

Basically, Lucy is the saving grace of Fairy Tail, and it feels like she is written by a better writer.
#25 - kinginthenorth (08/29/2016) [-]
Yusuke Murata's also up there for me. Though he can only design some of the background characters or new characters in the extra chapters that arcs get. I think his art quality contributes though.

I feel as if even the Lucy Abuse and subsequent growth is becoming part of the standard formula. Hell, her future self got straight up killed and she just got more resolved about stopping whatever's happening. I cant think of any recent wins where Lucy's spirits were really useful though, since they always lose against any enemy that's above grunt.
The sad thing about the spirits aswell is that, despite having 9 of them, she only uses 2 reguraly. It used to be 3, but since Aquarius is now broken, she only really uses Taurus or Loki. Capricorn or Scorpio havent really shown up, despite Lucy having the ability put out 2 spirits at once and both of them being well suited to combat.
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#26 - questionableferret (08/29/2016) [-]
Point stands that Lucy is the best idea in the series, better than everything else by miles, but is marred by still being authored by Mashima.
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#27 - kinginthenorth (18 hours ago) [-]
Yeah, Lucy is the most interesting, mostly because she's of her magic. Feels as if she was the one good idea he had in the start and he's keeping it up somewhat.
#11 - I'm just kind of sad that they slowed the story down considera…  [+] (12 new replies) 08/28/2016 on Frogs +4
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#23 - makosteel (08/28/2016) [-]
How did they slow the series down, it's been incredibly fast and still is, I have yet to see it slowed down.
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#24 - questionableferret (08/29/2016) [-]
Read my conversation with King if you're interested in learning more about your question. I can't be bothered to write it all out again.
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#13 - questionableferret (08/28/2016) [-]
Also, now that Bleach is over we can really keep our eyes open for what the new paradigm in Shounen Jump is gonna be. The time of DBZ taking the lead ended and now only one of the big three is still in the running (First one in, last one out), and now we've got Hero Academia nipping at the heels of One Piece, being altogether as well made (if not more-so) than One Piece itself. But that's still only 2 shounen. It's going to be interesting to see if a third will join the roster.
#12 - questionableferret (08/28/2016) [-]
They haven't actually slowed the story down at all. The story hasn't had anything really added or cut down at all, rather it just combines chapters into tight, compelling, well-paced episodes and the finality of each episode feeling so self-contained along with the increased run-time and proper allowance for pacing is what makes it feel like the anime has been slowed down.

However, I do think it's worth noting that Horikoshi clearly had anime adaptations in mind when he was planning out Hero Academia because longer, more padded manga like One Piece, Naruto, and Bleach would always run into their anime at times because the anime chewed through content far more quickly than the manga did, whereas the anime managed to make a whole season out of only 21 manga chapters. That's roughly 1.5 chapters per episode.

It is only through the addition of that aforementioned pacing that the series feels like it has been slowed down as opposed to the mile-a-minute speed at which most manga readers chew through their manga, when really the series is getting through content only a little bit faster than the manga could produce it. (Though thankfully the series is taking a serialised 13 episode format rather than the traditional, filler-filled weekly format.)

Hero Academia is going to be a weird case where the manga is probably going to end without the anime ever needing to slow down its production, add filler, or even come close to catching up. What a time to be alive.
#14 - kinginthenorth (08/28/2016) [-]
I guess. I was expecting them to do more than just the intro and the first arc though, with the 21 eps they had. Since i didnt remember either of those arcs being very long. Especially since i'm used to shounens taking a long-ass time to set up their arcs fucking Fairy Tail and One Piece introduce arcs over a 5 to 10 chapter spread every time. .

Might just be because i read fast pretty fast aswell, so the story's speed might feel different for me.
#16 - questionableferret (08/28/2016) [-]
(Since it's on my mind I'll also note that Kingdom is another interesting example of streamlining, as its arcs deal with ENORMOUS battles of massive scale and yet the mangaka manages this by using these battles as the backdrop for the personal story of three four important characters, whilst all of the other characters are just there to show up every so-often to demonstrate scale and the way the battle is unfolding on other fronts of the fight for maybe a few pages at a time. It is a very efficient manga.)
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#15 - questionableferret (08/28/2016) [-]
Hero Academia feels like a fast manga because it is a well written, concise manga.

One Piece is a laborious affair whereby arcs last for years and are filled to the brim with a hundred different things going on and that's fine because it's almost old enough to drive and the complexity of the narrative has just increased steadily over time as these characters have dived into more and more important issues. This isn't a bad thing, it's just a different kind of story.

Fairy Tail is far less complex than One Piece, and is of a far lesser quality than most other well-known shounen manga, mainly due to how bad Hiro Mashima is at writing. His arcs are laborious not because they have a lot to juggle like One Piece, but because Hiro Mashima is very bad at streamlining his story and cutting out the superfluous bits. He used to be much better at it than he is now, but the point stands.

Meanwhile Horikoshi isn't writing a story where the main characters get involved with the socio-political inner-workings of an usurped pirate city-state built on the back of mind-controlled slaves, and his arcs thus-far have taken the approach whereby he often doubles-up on his characters, meaning instead of having one villain per hero, it is two heroes vs each villain. This has the triple benefit of creating more memorable and unique dynamics, emphasising the fact that the protagonists are still young and weak, and it lowers the amount of superfluous chaff that gets thrown into the arc. Everyone included in the arc is there for a very good reason that affects multiple elements in the story as opposed to "he's there so he can fight Gray" and so on.

More than that Horikoshi also likes to write arcs that exclude other characters. Unlike One Piece where you need to be acutely aware of where every character is at a given moment Hero Academia favours arcs that can focus on closed action narratives with just a few important characters at a time to keep things concise, and it also allows him to use a revolving-door system for which characters can be involved in which arcs.

Naruto TRIED to do this, with its biggest example being the Sound 5 Arc (also known as the best arc in Naruto with some of the best fight scenes in all of Shounen) but failed to deliver on its promises once Shippuden hit, meanwhile Hero Academia has never settled on a specific 'main cast', with some clear leading characters that are often excluded from being important in the narrative with the notable exception of Deku.

Anyway, as you can see I take great interest in how these different shounen stack up to each-other, and I am continually impressed at how Horikoshi manages to make a lot out of very little (e.g: this new arc just starting immediately raises the stakes very high and splits away a bunch of characters leaving the audience with an unconventional grouping of characters as our presumed leads for the arc whereas Fairy Tail would include Natsu, Lucy, Gray, Erza, Wendy, and maybe some others without questioning wether or not they should be there.)
#18 - kinginthenorth (08/28/2016) [-]
One Piece really works on building up the world they're going through, which Hero Academia doesnt really have to bother with. They just stick to training locations and the academy, so it can focus better on other things. It's more action, as opposed to One Piece's adventure.

Hiro's arcs got pretty formulaic after a while. He'd be much more interesting if he'd actually deviate from what he's done for the last few arcs like actually letting characters STAY DEAD. Gajeel's "death" lost all of its meaning because he was back up again a chapter or 2 later. . But every time he does deviate, he just reverses it, so it's not interesting anymore.

I just read One Piece for the adventure. I read Fairy Tail for the uh... "art" and it seems as if it's actually ending somewhat soon, with the 2 final bosses being there.

Personally i like how Hori manages to come up with good designs for everything. The Quirks are all relatively unique and the way they get matched up creates some great moments like pic related. Having the very large main cast of just "Class 1-A" works in Hori's favor for keeping the action interesting aswell.
#21 - questionableferret (08/28/2016) [-]
Horikoshi's previous manga, Barrage, never got off the ground but you can still see his eye for character design even there. I think he and Yasuhisa Hara are the best character designers I've come across in manga, with the latter managing to create memorable and unique character designs even when the characters aren't allowed to look too absurd and keeping them all looking fairly consistent with a realistic art style.

As for Fairy Tail, there is one strange case in the series that despite the arc always manages to buck Hiro Mashima's trends (though this character has earned her own trend) and that's Lucy. Said trend is 'The Narrative will shit all over Lucy' which Hiro never strays far from, however Lucy herself never seems to deserve it because regardless of how kicked about she gets she still somehow works as the only redeeming quality of Fairy Tail.

Lucy's character arc is a slow-burn, but a rewarding one. She really is the archetypal diamond in the rough in a narrative sense. She acts as the series narrator through characterised in-universe letters she sends to her deceased mother, a tool that informs the reader but only of information that the characters themselves have knowledge of, and demonstrates Lucy's personality, history, and life-goals. She has goals outside of simply being a mage (that she actively pursues) unlike every other character in the series, namely that she wants to be a writer. Her magic is a quick and effective means to bring new characters to the story without needing them to stick around all the time, having the same effect as Horikoshi's style but with the added benefit that it is as and when it is needed. (Just a shame that 7/9 of those spirits are played for fucking laughs every time they appear.)

Those spirits later return giving Lucy new costumes which is another interesting twist to the power (and once again 'tis a shame that this is only used for fanservice purposes).

The first big arc in Fairy Tail focusses around Lucy and her resolve to fight is the lynchpin of the series and serves as the single biggest driving moment of the theme of the story with the entire guild willing to fight and die to protect someone they have only recently accepted into their family.

Lucy manages to stand up to the spirit king, saving someone's life through sheer force of will and personality and inadvertently furthering her own power in the process.

Lucy's spirits are used to develop Angel as a credible antagonist as she is the one that killed Loki's former master and she uses Aeries to nullify Lucy's strongest spirit, this Lucy's power has the most interesting counter of any in the series, namely that all of her attacks revolve around other people being willing to attack the enemy for her. Of course nothing like this ever happens again.

In the Tenrou Island Arc Lucy's foil is Capricorn, once again joining her personal development to her power level, and in the tournament Arc Lucy is used as the sacrificial lamb to demonstrate just how fucking evil Raven Tail are (and interesting to note that Raven Tail haven't done ANYTHING else since getting handily defeated offscreen by Laxus. Fucking Rip.)

The big moment of development for Lucy is when she breaks Aquarius' key and in doing so basically saves the world at the cost of effectively killing her friend. This turned out not to be too permenant a thing but even then it ended up coming back in a good way as Lucy now has a SECOND motivating factor to pursue outside of being a mage, namely finding Aquarius.

During the second time skip it is Lucy that keeps everyone connected even if they don't know it, and it is Lucy that demonstrates above all others that she is the only person in Fairy Tail deserving of the title of Guild Master (even though Makarov has gotten the title three times, and Erza gets it 'just 'cus', and Gildartz has it for all of 2 seconds).

Basically, Lucy is the saving grace of Fairy Tail, and it feels like she is written by a better writer.
#25 - kinginthenorth (08/29/2016) [-]
Yusuke Murata's also up there for me. Though he can only design some of the background characters or new characters in the extra chapters that arcs get. I think his art quality contributes though.

I feel as if even the Lucy Abuse and subsequent growth is becoming part of the standard formula. Hell, her future self got straight up killed and she just got more resolved about stopping whatever's happening. I cant think of any recent wins where Lucy's spirits were really useful though, since they always lose against any enemy that's above grunt.
The sad thing about the spirits aswell is that, despite having 9 of them, she only uses 2 reguraly. It used to be 3, but since Aquarius is now broken, she only really uses Taurus or Loki. Capricorn or Scorpio havent really shown up, despite Lucy having the ability put out 2 spirits at once and both of them being well suited to combat.
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#26 - questionableferret (08/29/2016) [-]
Point stands that Lucy is the best idea in the series, better than everything else by miles, but is marred by still being authored by Mashima.
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#27 - kinginthenorth (18 hours ago) [-]
Yeah, Lucy is the most interesting, mostly because she's of her magic. Feels as if she was the one good idea he had in the start and he's keeping it up somewhat.
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