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#31 - It is not semantics. You're coming in here and the ma…  [+] (2 replies) 13 hours ago on Don't believe the... +9
#41 - anon (9 hours ago) [-]
Fallacy - a mistaken belief, especially one based on unsound argument.
a false mistaken conclusion based on an unsound argument
User avatar
#32 - bgr (13 hours ago) [-]
your argument that they will start rounding people up and start discriminating is a blatant slippery slope fallacy. I can just as easily do a slippery slope and argue that white people if too wealthy will discriminate and warmonger against non white people. Doesnt make it true.

Germany (Merkel) is depoting migrants due to the stress on the german economy.
You have Brexit, so parliament can decide which kind of migration is beneficial.

www.rt.com/news/362924-merkel-rejected-migrants-deportation/

People arent dumb. they thought they would increase the workforce, but forgot to vet for skill and talent, and compatibility like the USA does. Our immigration system in that regard has been highly beneficial to us. We have a problem with Mexican illegals, but other than the minority SJW, there is no hatred of white people. This is your SJWism talking. SJWs think white people instinctively hate and will oppress non white, you think the same of non whites via gross generalizations.

Im saying if there is a problem, with a completely open border policy, the way to fight it isnt discriminatory practices and SJW fearmongering. What will you do about the 3rd generation British Indians, or British Chinese, well settled and contributing more to your economy as businessmen, doctors, engineers than the average Brit ?
The way to fight it is to push for sensible economics, and calls for assimilation. Our country's immigrants assimilate beautifully. Sure we have Chinese and Indian festivals now, but then again, we have Irish , German, Spanish, Italian, and British festivals, parades and culture, that everyone takes part in.
There is a right way to do this and a wrong way, and EU in its hurry to emulate the success the USA has had, did it the wrong way. Doesnt mean the idea of the USA is a bad one
#26 - So when I pointed out that you were using the "Argument f…  [+] (4 replies) 13 hours ago on Don't believe the... +6
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#27 - bgr (13 hours ago) [-]
Arguing semantics wont make your original point any less false. Youre still spouting pure propoganda and fearmongering nonsense akin to an SJW
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#31 - killerjhtwo (13 hours ago) [-]
It is not semantics.

You're coming in here and the main point of your argument is:

"X Fallacy, therefore false conclusion."

Which is a fallacy in itself.

You came up in here claiming the "logical" high ground because you know a few fallacies, but your own work is riddled with them as much as the ones you've pointed out.

Not only is it sheer hypocrisy, it's a fallacy.

You cannot point out fallacies and claim them as false because they are fallacies. That is a fallacy.

It is hyperbole yes, but like stereotypes are grounded deeply in fact, you cannot deny that through lax benefit and immigration systems as well as poor economic management as well as namecalling and political pressure non-natives are being allowed to replace the native population in droves.

The government tried a gambit.

They created a stagnant environment with increasing living costs, meaning more people chose education instead of working, this left a huge vacuum in the lower echelons, instead of offering incentives to the native populace they decided to outsource the problem and opened the door to the foreign masses.

And it has failed.

Germany is falling apart as we speak, Sweden is crippled, and we are next at the rate we're going.

The only land of promise in Europe is Hungary, because they took the stand.

It may not be 2 years of rounding up whitey and shooting in the backs of heads.

But in 150 years it will have the same effect, whites will be increasingly marginalised and replaced in their own native lands, something we've only seen happen a few times.

To the Native Americans, and to the copts and similar races in Northern Africa/ The middle east.
#41 - anon (9 hours ago) [-]
Fallacy - a mistaken belief, especially one based on unsound argument.
a false mistaken conclusion based on an unsound argument
User avatar
#32 - bgr (13 hours ago) [-]
your argument that they will start rounding people up and start discriminating is a blatant slippery slope fallacy. I can just as easily do a slippery slope and argue that white people if too wealthy will discriminate and warmonger against non white people. Doesnt make it true.

Germany (Merkel) is depoting migrants due to the stress on the german economy.
You have Brexit, so parliament can decide which kind of migration is beneficial.

www.rt.com/news/362924-merkel-rejected-migrants-deportation/

People arent dumb. they thought they would increase the workforce, but forgot to vet for skill and talent, and compatibility like the USA does. Our immigration system in that regard has been highly beneficial to us. We have a problem with Mexican illegals, but other than the minority SJW, there is no hatred of white people. This is your SJWism talking. SJWs think white people instinctively hate and will oppress non white, you think the same of non whites via gross generalizations.

Im saying if there is a problem, with a completely open border policy, the way to fight it isnt discriminatory practices and SJW fearmongering. What will you do about the 3rd generation British Indians, or British Chinese, well settled and contributing more to your economy as businessmen, doctors, engineers than the average Brit ?
The way to fight it is to push for sensible economics, and calls for assimilation. Our country's immigrants assimilate beautifully. Sure we have Chinese and Indian festivals now, but then again, we have Irish , German, Spanish, Italian, and British festivals, parades and culture, that everyone takes part in.
There is a right way to do this and a wrong way, and EU in its hurry to emulate the success the USA has had, did it the wrong way. Doesnt mean the idea of the USA is a bad one
#24 - Lol you love dropping these fallacies. You could say …  [+] (6 replies) 13 hours ago on Don't believe the... +4
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#25 - bgr (13 hours ago) [-]
All your logic and proof is full of statistical fallacies. Your statements are gross generalizations. and contain a whole bunch of slippery slope fallacies.

I know its easy to become an SJW and claim "we are being oppressed in every way possible and are under constant threat and discrimination", but try to find a view that isnt fearmongering nonsense, and look at info other than what serves your confirmation bias once in a while.
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#26 - killerjhtwo (13 hours ago) [-]
So when I pointed out that you were using the "Argument from fallacy" fallacy, you completely ignored it and went right back to it.
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#27 - bgr (13 hours ago) [-]
Arguing semantics wont make your original point any less false. Youre still spouting pure propoganda and fearmongering nonsense akin to an SJW
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#31 - killerjhtwo (13 hours ago) [-]
It is not semantics.

You're coming in here and the main point of your argument is:

"X Fallacy, therefore false conclusion."

Which is a fallacy in itself.

You came up in here claiming the "logical" high ground because you know a few fallacies, but your own work is riddled with them as much as the ones you've pointed out.

Not only is it sheer hypocrisy, it's a fallacy.

You cannot point out fallacies and claim them as false because they are fallacies. That is a fallacy.

It is hyperbole yes, but like stereotypes are grounded deeply in fact, you cannot deny that through lax benefit and immigration systems as well as poor economic management as well as namecalling and political pressure non-natives are being allowed to replace the native population in droves.

The government tried a gambit.

They created a stagnant environment with increasing living costs, meaning more people chose education instead of working, this left a huge vacuum in the lower echelons, instead of offering incentives to the native populace they decided to outsource the problem and opened the door to the foreign masses.

And it has failed.

Germany is falling apart as we speak, Sweden is crippled, and we are next at the rate we're going.

The only land of promise in Europe is Hungary, because they took the stand.

It may not be 2 years of rounding up whitey and shooting in the backs of heads.

But in 150 years it will have the same effect, whites will be increasingly marginalised and replaced in their own native lands, something we've only seen happen a few times.

To the Native Americans, and to the copts and similar races in Northern Africa/ The middle east.
#41 - anon (9 hours ago) [-]
Fallacy - a mistaken belief, especially one based on unsound argument.
a false mistaken conclusion based on an unsound argument
User avatar
#32 - bgr (13 hours ago) [-]
your argument that they will start rounding people up and start discriminating is a blatant slippery slope fallacy. I can just as easily do a slippery slope and argue that white people if too wealthy will discriminate and warmonger against non white people. Doesnt make it true.

Germany (Merkel) is depoting migrants due to the stress on the german economy.
You have Brexit, so parliament can decide which kind of migration is beneficial.

www.rt.com/news/362924-merkel-rejected-migrants-deportation/

People arent dumb. they thought they would increase the workforce, but forgot to vet for skill and talent, and compatibility like the USA does. Our immigration system in that regard has been highly beneficial to us. We have a problem with Mexican illegals, but other than the minority SJW, there is no hatred of white people. This is your SJWism talking. SJWs think white people instinctively hate and will oppress non white, you think the same of non whites via gross generalizations.

Im saying if there is a problem, with a completely open border policy, the way to fight it isnt discriminatory practices and SJW fearmongering. What will you do about the 3rd generation British Indians, or British Chinese, well settled and contributing more to your economy as businessmen, doctors, engineers than the average Brit ?
The way to fight it is to push for sensible economics, and calls for assimilation. Our country's immigrants assimilate beautifully. Sure we have Chinese and Indian festivals now, but then again, we have Irish , German, Spanish, Italian, and British festivals, parades and culture, that everyone takes part in.
There is a right way to do this and a wrong way, and EU in its hurry to emulate the success the USA has had, did it the wrong way. Doesnt mean the idea of the USA is a bad one
#13 - "Slippery slope fallacy" Some we…  [+] (11 replies) 13 hours ago on Don't believe the... +14
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#30 - bgr (13 hours ago) [-]
oh forgot to mention despite 400000 positions we only let in 65000 a year . Only the best. So once again, diverse, assimilated, skilled immigrants
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#23 - bgr (13 hours ago) [-]
Oh also, does your trend account for economics? People dont wanna move to white countries. They wanna move to developed nations that have empty STEM jobs for instance no one is taking. If you take in hordes of unmarketable and unskilled migrants, then yeah there is no point. But like in the US, where we had 400000 STEM positions open no white people are applying for, so we get Asians who will do them instead. Free market movement of trade and services. Our immigration guarantees us people who will assimilate and will contribute greatly to our economy. US of A baby.
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#17 - bgr (13 hours ago) [-]
*not people who wanna move for benefits
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#15 - bgr (13 hours ago) [-]
Nobody doesnt blame any of those people for their genocides? What on earth are you on about? LOL, listening to SJWs again?
Two, Nice fallacy once again. Painting everyone who isnt white as 'black' on the map. that 'black part contains 15 other races, many of them settled along different Asian countries. LOL no one throwing a hissy fit there.

Have you looked at studies that say immigrant populations normalize birth to home populations once the standard of living goes up? Of course not why would you.
borgenproject.org/birth-rates-decrease-as-people-rise-out-of-poverty/

The recent migrant crisis has exacerbated the immigration but a statistical trend isnt proof, it just takes a current event and expands it without any evidence. So nice statistical fallacy.

Let in fiscally independent immigrants and people wont wanna move just for benefits . Simple. Two, they would 'destroy' your cultures? Most of your Asian British immigrants are no longer Asians but have fully adopted British customs, accents and culture.
Indian cities are now celebrating halloween, where there are almost no westerners. So western influence is spreading now receding. Nice generalization and fallacy.

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#24 - killerjhtwo (13 hours ago) [-]
Lol you love dropping these fallacies.

You could say that it is an argument from fallacy.

Stating that just because an argument contains a fallacy its conclusion is therefore false.

So you went onto the wikipedia for fallacies and stopped after the first couple?

If you're going to bring fallacies in as a way to discredit something then by all means make sure you commit no fallacies yourself.
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#25 - bgr (13 hours ago) [-]
All your logic and proof is full of statistical fallacies. Your statements are gross generalizations. and contain a whole bunch of slippery slope fallacies.

I know its easy to become an SJW and claim "we are being oppressed in every way possible and are under constant threat and discrimination", but try to find a view that isnt fearmongering nonsense, and look at info other than what serves your confirmation bias once in a while.
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#26 - killerjhtwo (13 hours ago) [-]
So when I pointed out that you were using the "Argument from fallacy" fallacy, you completely ignored it and went right back to it.
User avatar
#27 - bgr (13 hours ago) [-]
Arguing semantics wont make your original point any less false. Youre still spouting pure propoganda and fearmongering nonsense akin to an SJW
User avatar
#31 - killerjhtwo (13 hours ago) [-]
It is not semantics.

You're coming in here and the main point of your argument is:

"X Fallacy, therefore false conclusion."

Which is a fallacy in itself.

You came up in here claiming the "logical" high ground because you know a few fallacies, but your own work is riddled with them as much as the ones you've pointed out.

Not only is it sheer hypocrisy, it's a fallacy.

You cannot point out fallacies and claim them as false because they are fallacies. That is a fallacy.

It is hyperbole yes, but like stereotypes are grounded deeply in fact, you cannot deny that through lax benefit and immigration systems as well as poor economic management as well as namecalling and political pressure non-natives are being allowed to replace the native population in droves.

The government tried a gambit.

They created a stagnant environment with increasing living costs, meaning more people chose education instead of working, this left a huge vacuum in the lower echelons, instead of offering incentives to the native populace they decided to outsource the problem and opened the door to the foreign masses.

And it has failed.

Germany is falling apart as we speak, Sweden is crippled, and we are next at the rate we're going.

The only land of promise in Europe is Hungary, because they took the stand.

It may not be 2 years of rounding up whitey and shooting in the backs of heads.

But in 150 years it will have the same effect, whites will be increasingly marginalised and replaced in their own native lands, something we've only seen happen a few times.

To the Native Americans, and to the copts and similar races in Northern Africa/ The middle east.
#41 - anon (9 hours ago) [-]
Fallacy - a mistaken belief, especially one based on unsound argument.
a false mistaken conclusion based on an unsound argument
User avatar
#32 - bgr (13 hours ago) [-]
your argument that they will start rounding people up and start discriminating is a blatant slippery slope fallacy. I can just as easily do a slippery slope and argue that white people if too wealthy will discriminate and warmonger against non white people. Doesnt make it true.

Germany (Merkel) is depoting migrants due to the stress on the german economy.
You have Brexit, so parliament can decide which kind of migration is beneficial.

www.rt.com/news/362924-merkel-rejected-migrants-deportation/

People arent dumb. they thought they would increase the workforce, but forgot to vet for skill and talent, and compatibility like the USA does. Our immigration system in that regard has been highly beneficial to us. We have a problem with Mexican illegals, but other than the minority SJW, there is no hatred of white people. This is your SJWism talking. SJWs think white people instinctively hate and will oppress non white, you think the same of non whites via gross generalizations.

Im saying if there is a problem, with a completely open border policy, the way to fight it isnt discriminatory practices and SJW fearmongering. What will you do about the 3rd generation British Indians, or British Chinese, well settled and contributing more to your economy as businessmen, doctors, engineers than the average Brit ?
The way to fight it is to push for sensible economics, and calls for assimilation. Our country's immigrants assimilate beautifully. Sure we have Chinese and Indian festivals now, but then again, we have Irish , German, Spanish, Italian, and British festivals, parades and culture, that everyone takes part in.
There is a right way to do this and a wrong way, and EU in its hurry to emulate the success the USA has had, did it the wrong way. Doesnt mean the idea of the USA is a bad one
#10 - "Genocide is intentional action to destroy a people in wh…  [+] (32 replies) 13 hours ago on Don't believe the... +30
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#11 - bgr (13 hours ago) [-]
Its not a definiton. Since there is no intent. Misuse of the definition. There is no legislation or policy against white people. jahammington is right.

'THEY'. People dont exist as non-whites vs whites. non whites contain 15 other races. How will this mean everyone turns against white people. In the US asians and indians for instance get along handsomely with white people. Gross generalization again not to mention fallacy.
More benefits ? Dont do mass immigration, only let in those who are fiscally independent and skilled . Solved.

"Matter of time" - slippery slope fallacy.

There is no legalized forced race mixing. So unless whites stop breeding, there is no proof of anyone being anti white. Minority SJWs dont constitute the non white population. So again gross generalizations.
So your argument that IF , not that it will happen, IF white people become a minority will be treated unfairly due to just being a minority. So there IS discrimination against minorities now thanks to their minority status?

So basically gross generalizations , misuse of the UN definition of genocide and blatant fearmongering. Good job, youre full of shit
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#21 - schnizel (13 hours ago) [-]
(((bgr)))
#14 - anon (13 hours ago) [-]
"There is no legislation or policy against white people"
Quit your bullshit. Affirmative action exist to give blacks positions that they didn't earn on their own merit. And to say there is no intent is completely false, just take a look at (((who)) is promoting multiculturalism and mass immigration and see if you can notice a (((pattern))).
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#16 - bgr (13 hours ago) [-]
LOL the JOOSE.

Not proof of a legislation against white people. Show me a particular piece of legislation.

Affirmative action was to give blacks a more equal fitting since those in poverty would not be able to get out of it thru college. We can argue its merits or demerits if you want. I personally disagree with its application in the 21st century as a race,. not need based action.
But how is it discimination. College populations are still mostly white. Where has this stopped white kids going to college?
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#202 - tealcanaan (2 hours ago) [-]
1965 immigration act.
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#206 - bgr (2 hours ago) [-]
And?
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#207 - tealcanaan (2 hours ago) [-]
It clearly favors non-white immigration....
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#208 - bgr (2 hours ago) [-]
Um no it doesnt. It just means non whites have the same oppurtunity to immigrate to the USA as white people do.
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#209 - tealcanaan (2 hours ago) [-]
>same opportunity
Ya, that's why the majority of migration comes from latin America and Africa, while Europeans and north Asians are on a lottery system with little chance to enter....
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#210 - bgr (2 hours ago) [-]
Actuall South Asians, north Asians, and Europeans are on a lottery, since they apply for jobs and come thru the H1B system - basically skilled immigrants

The Immigration on the souther frontier is a more complicated issue, made so by illegal immigrants using birth tourism.

Africans mostly come as refugees. Theres only a million of em. So it isnt exactly 'mass immigration' now is it? We dont let most people come in like this, if you seek work you will have to go thru the lottery
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#213 - tealcanaan (2 hours ago) [-]
Tell minnisota it's not mass migration.
It's not complicate, depress wages+voting block=good for the people up top
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#214 - bgr (2 hours ago) [-]
85.3% of minnesota is white
4% is asian
5.2% black
1.2% native american
2 %Other race
2 % mixed.

This is mass immigration? Im sorry what?
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#225 - tealcanaan (1 hour ago) [-]
so I take you've never been to the twin cities?
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#226 - bgr (1 hour ago) [-]
Anecdotal evidence isnt evidence. Its confirmation bias. The statistics are right there via the US census.
#19 - anon (13 hours ago) [-]
Moving the goalposts, you said legislation or policy.
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#20 - bgr (13 hours ago) [-]
Yes, and a jewish guy with articles, isnt proof of an active legislation or policy.

Nice tinfoil theories. Ranting about the joos. My god you people are like SJWs . Weak in your logic, full of fallacies, and blatant fearmongering regarding "we are being oppressed, and we will be oppressed". its laughable.
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#29 - bgr (13 hours ago) [-]
"Controller applicants who are hired go through 17 weeks of training at the FAA Academy in Oklahoma City and three years of on-the-job training to achieve full certification, the FAA said. The FAA is generally able to shave about five weeks off the training for graduates of the college program."

"Members of Congress have sought assurances from the FAA that safety will not be impaired, and the lawmakers also blasted the FAA for a “lack of transparency” in the new controller hiring policy."

So it isnt just 'allowed to happen' and they still are going thru training.

Cmon really? This is proof anti white? poor effort tbh.
#13 - killerjhtwo (13 hours ago) [-]
"Slippery slope fallacy"

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/10032296/White-Britons-will-be-minority-by-2066-says-professor.html

Some well known projections based on immigration and population demographics would claim otherwise.

Also
www.pewsocialtrends.org/2012/05/17/explaining-why-minority-births-now-outnumber-white-births/

birth rates

matter of time is completely accurate, so don't try and move the goalposts by stating fallacies.

It is only Europeans being seen as the evil nasty baddies.

The chinese communists killed millions.

Arabs were the prime slave traders.

Armenian Genocide anyone?

but no only whitey gets the blame.
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#30 - bgr (13 hours ago) [-]
oh forgot to mention despite 400000 positions we only let in 65000 a year . Only the best. So once again, diverse, assimilated, skilled immigrants
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#23 - bgr (13 hours ago) [-]
Oh also, does your trend account for economics? People dont wanna move to white countries. They wanna move to developed nations that have empty STEM jobs for instance no one is taking. If you take in hordes of unmarketable and unskilled migrants, then yeah there is no point. But like in the US, where we had 400000 STEM positions open no white people are applying for, so we get Asians who will do them instead. Free market movement of trade and services. Our immigration guarantees us people who will assimilate and will contribute greatly to our economy. US of A baby.
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#17 - bgr (13 hours ago) [-]
*not people who wanna move for benefits
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#15 - bgr (13 hours ago) [-]
Nobody doesnt blame any of those people for their genocides? What on earth are you on about? LOL, listening to SJWs again?
Two, Nice fallacy once again. Painting everyone who isnt white as 'black' on the map. that 'black part contains 15 other races, many of them settled along different Asian countries. LOL no one throwing a hissy fit there.

Have you looked at studies that say immigrant populations normalize birth to home populations once the standard of living goes up? Of course not why would you.
borgenproject.org/birth-rates-decrease-as-people-rise-out-of-poverty/

The recent migrant crisis has exacerbated the immigration but a statistical trend isnt proof, it just takes a current event and expands it without any evidence. So nice statistical fallacy.

Let in fiscally independent immigrants and people wont wanna move just for benefits . Simple. Two, they would 'destroy' your cultures? Most of your Asian British immigrants are no longer Asians but have fully adopted British customs, accents and culture.
Indian cities are now celebrating halloween, where there are almost no westerners. So western influence is spreading now receding. Nice generalization and fallacy.

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#24 - killerjhtwo (13 hours ago) [-]
Lol you love dropping these fallacies.

You could say that it is an argument from fallacy.

Stating that just because an argument contains a fallacy its conclusion is therefore false.

So you went onto the wikipedia for fallacies and stopped after the first couple?

If you're going to bring fallacies in as a way to discredit something then by all means make sure you commit no fallacies yourself.
User avatar
#25 - bgr (13 hours ago) [-]
All your logic and proof is full of statistical fallacies. Your statements are gross generalizations. and contain a whole bunch of slippery slope fallacies.

I know its easy to become an SJW and claim "we are being oppressed in every way possible and are under constant threat and discrimination", but try to find a view that isnt fearmongering nonsense, and look at info other than what serves your confirmation bias once in a while.
User avatar
#26 - killerjhtwo (13 hours ago) [-]
So when I pointed out that you were using the "Argument from fallacy" fallacy, you completely ignored it and went right back to it.
User avatar
#27 - bgr (13 hours ago) [-]
Arguing semantics wont make your original point any less false. Youre still spouting pure propoganda and fearmongering nonsense akin to an SJW
User avatar
#31 - killerjhtwo (13 hours ago) [-]
It is not semantics.

You're coming in here and the main point of your argument is:

"X Fallacy, therefore false conclusion."

Which is a fallacy in itself.

You came up in here claiming the "logical" high ground because you know a few fallacies, but your own work is riddled with them as much as the ones you've pointed out.

Not only is it sheer hypocrisy, it's a fallacy.

You cannot point out fallacies and claim them as false because they are fallacies. That is a fallacy.

It is hyperbole yes, but like stereotypes are grounded deeply in fact, you cannot deny that through lax benefit and immigration systems as well as poor economic management as well as namecalling and political pressure non-natives are being allowed to replace the native population in droves.

The government tried a gambit.

They created a stagnant environment with increasing living costs, meaning more people chose education instead of working, this left a huge vacuum in the lower echelons, instead of offering incentives to the native populace they decided to outsource the problem and opened the door to the foreign masses.

And it has failed.

Germany is falling apart as we speak, Sweden is crippled, and we are next at the rate we're going.

The only land of promise in Europe is Hungary, because they took the stand.

It may not be 2 years of rounding up whitey and shooting in the backs of heads.

But in 150 years it will have the same effect, whites will be increasingly marginalised and replaced in their own native lands, something we've only seen happen a few times.

To the Native Americans, and to the copts and similar races in Northern Africa/ The middle east.
#41 - anon (9 hours ago) [-]
Fallacy - a mistaken belief, especially one based on unsound argument.
a false mistaken conclusion based on an unsound argument
User avatar
#32 - bgr (13 hours ago) [-]
your argument that they will start rounding people up and start discriminating is a blatant slippery slope fallacy. I can just as easily do a slippery slope and argue that white people if too wealthy will discriminate and warmonger against non white people. Doesnt make it true.

Germany (Merkel) is depoting migrants due to the stress on the german economy.
You have Brexit, so parliament can decide which kind of migration is beneficial.

www.rt.com/news/362924-merkel-rejected-migrants-deportation/

People arent dumb. they thought they would increase the workforce, but forgot to vet for skill and talent, and compatibility like the USA does. Our immigration system in that regard has been highly beneficial to us. We have a problem with Mexican illegals, but other than the minority SJW, there is no hatred of white people. This is your SJWism talking. SJWs think white people instinctively hate and will oppress non white, you think the same of non whites via gross generalizations.

Im saying if there is a problem, with a completely open border policy, the way to fight it isnt discriminatory practices and SJW fearmongering. What will you do about the 3rd generation British Indians, or British Chinese, well settled and contributing more to your economy as businessmen, doctors, engineers than the average Brit ?
The way to fight it is to push for sensible economics, and calls for assimilation. Our country's immigrants assimilate beautifully. Sure we have Chinese and Indian festivals now, but then again, we have Irish , German, Spanish, Italian, and British festivals, parades and culture, that everyone takes part in.
There is a right way to do this and a wrong way, and EU in its hurry to emulate the success the USA has had, did it the wrong way. Doesnt mean the idea of the USA is a bad one
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#58 - AnomynousUser (12/04/2016) [-]
Good job at changing the subject and completely avoiding my point yet again. There's no need for one thing, kilogram, to refer to both mass and weight. Call the weight a flubber for all I fucking care. I'm too busy and sick of this to continue.
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#42 - AnomynousUser (12/04/2016) [-]
Now you're just being silly. I'm not saying to walk around calling 1kg 1,000,000,000,000ng or shit like that. I'm saying it's confusing to have one word (kilogram) represent both a weight and a mass.

To go off of your example, if I say I have 2 slugs of material and bring it to the moon, it's obvious that I'd have 2 slugs of material at the moon. Same if I say I have 100 lb of material on Earth, it'd be 17 lb of material on the moon, because weight is a force. It's also obvious if I say you weigh 100 Newtons on Earth, that you'd weigh 17 Newtons on the moon. But if I say you weigh 100 kilograms on the moon, and nobody knows if it's kgm or kgf, then how do we know what it'd be on Earth? We should reserve a name to mean one thing. It's kind of like renaming minutes to seconds. Sure, some contextual stuff would still make sense, but it can become a huge pain in the ass to say, "seconds long or seconds short"?

And I'm well aware that familiarity is a main reason. That's one of the main reasons the US still isn't using SI units unless you're in the hard sciences, where you have to use both. But things will only become more cemented in familiarity as time goes on unless a change is made.
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#56 - killerjhtwo (12/04/2016) [-]
And we're back to the video I linked that was talking about how in our frame of reference that it is almost impossible to distinguish between weight and mass so it doesn't matter all too much.

What you should be worried about is improper use of billions

For instance an American billion would be £1000,000,000 (One thousand million)

Whereas the proper billion is £1,000,000,000,000

Which is a hell of a lot larger, and with the short billion the universe isn't really that old, it's only a couple thousand million years old, which is still a long time.

However a universe in the long billions is already extremely ancient and we are a mid-day race on that scale.

It also makes America's Trillion Dollars of debt seem that much more dire in the long system.

Unfortunately it was decided that we'd go with the short american billion.

Just like we've decided that since nobody is leaving earth any time soon it makes no difference whether you're measuring in true mass or apparent mass because they're both going to return the same answers.

That is unless you're measuring the same object but at such accuracy that you're using it to detect variations in Earth's gravitational field.

Tl;dr you're getting hung up on technicalities, when as far as everyone apart from people in the space programs are concerned it works like this:

You have 1Kg

1Kg in mass?

Yes you have the equivalent mass of 1Kg on earth.

So it weighs 1 Kg?

Yes, it is the equivalent of 1kg's worth of newtons in terms of weight.
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#58 - AnomynousUser (12/04/2016) [-]
Good job at changing the subject and completely avoiding my point yet again. There's no need for one thing, kilogram, to refer to both mass and weight. Call the weight a flubber for all I fucking care. I'm too busy and sick of this to continue.
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#39 - AnomynousUser (12/04/2016) [-]
Why are you trying to make this all philosophical and shit? All that I said was I didn't understand why people say they weigh kilograms when their countries use the SI units. It's either wrong by definition or not using the same SI units. It's like me either saying I weigh 4.7 slugs because that's my mass, or 10.7 stones since that is a measurement of weight. Then, after I use either the wrong or weird unit, I turn around and mock other countries for using a different system.

As someone studying engineering, all of these extra units of measurements and what not just makes conversions and otherwise simple things just a bit more complicated and ugly.
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#40 - killerjhtwo (12/04/2016) [-]
Scale.

Familiarity.

Saying "I weigh 55000 grams" will take people a few seconds to work out if they're not lazy, if they are lazy they'll say "so........ how much is that in KG?"


Likewise you don't say "Oh yeah it's rated at 0.000000000001 Farads"

Also "How long is that program on for?"

"Oh about 1440 seconds."

Also being an aspiring engineer you should realise by now that it's not pure physics.

It's not saying "Yes we can build a bridge like this the numbers support it."

Being an engineer is saying "Yeah, that's going to take a long time and cost a lot, we can do it better this way, we can work out numbers to make it work later."

This is also why mass and weight are essentially the same thing. Everything you will weigh to determine its mass will be affected by the factor that you're on earth.

Obtaining actual mass through volume and density calculations will be something only done for pure science when most of the time the mass is irrelevant, it's the force that the mass is exerting, which essentially makes them boil down to being completely interchangeable.

Now flash forward 300 years or so when we finally get smart people in power and start really expanding into the universe there will be grounds to start using newtons in terms of weight.

You want to transport a certain amount of cargo from earth to a 0.5G world, it either means you can carry twice the amount, or you can take a smaller rating ship or pay less tax because you're not moving the same force about as if you were carting from 1G to 4G where you will have to ensure that you can transport it safely.
Newtons are already used in terms of rocket thrust ratings because it's just easier to work on how much it outputs instead of working out fluid pressures under heating.
Additionally being from the UK I like MPH in terms of speed, I absolutely hate KMH.
Why?
120mph is fast.
120kmh is just average cruising speed.
800mph? Man, you've smashed the sound barrier and are cruising at the speed of cool.
800kmh? Yeah, pretty fast I guess... still subsonic...
Miles are easy to quantify as something huge to a lot of people "That's miles away!" instead of "That's kilometres away!"
Everyone knows how big a meter is but no one really can extrapolate that into KM easily.
However hardly anyone knows what a yard looks like but if you say "A few miles" they will still wince at how far it is especially when walking.
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#42 - AnomynousUser (12/04/2016) [-]
Now you're just being silly. I'm not saying to walk around calling 1kg 1,000,000,000,000ng or shit like that. I'm saying it's confusing to have one word (kilogram) represent both a weight and a mass.

To go off of your example, if I say I have 2 slugs of material and bring it to the moon, it's obvious that I'd have 2 slugs of material at the moon. Same if I say I have 100 lb of material on Earth, it'd be 17 lb of material on the moon, because weight is a force. It's also obvious if I say you weigh 100 Newtons on Earth, that you'd weigh 17 Newtons on the moon. But if I say you weigh 100 kilograms on the moon, and nobody knows if it's kgm or kgf, then how do we know what it'd be on Earth? We should reserve a name to mean one thing. It's kind of like renaming minutes to seconds. Sure, some contextual stuff would still make sense, but it can become a huge pain in the ass to say, "seconds long or seconds short"?

And I'm well aware that familiarity is a main reason. That's one of the main reasons the US still isn't using SI units unless you're in the hard sciences, where you have to use both. But things will only become more cemented in familiarity as time goes on unless a change is made.
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#56 - killerjhtwo (12/04/2016) [-]
And we're back to the video I linked that was talking about how in our frame of reference that it is almost impossible to distinguish between weight and mass so it doesn't matter all too much.

What you should be worried about is improper use of billions

For instance an American billion would be £1000,000,000 (One thousand million)

Whereas the proper billion is £1,000,000,000,000

Which is a hell of a lot larger, and with the short billion the universe isn't really that old, it's only a couple thousand million years old, which is still a long time.

However a universe in the long billions is already extremely ancient and we are a mid-day race on that scale.

It also makes America's Trillion Dollars of debt seem that much more dire in the long system.

Unfortunately it was decided that we'd go with the short american billion.

Just like we've decided that since nobody is leaving earth any time soon it makes no difference whether you're measuring in true mass or apparent mass because they're both going to return the same answers.

That is unless you're measuring the same object but at such accuracy that you're using it to detect variations in Earth's gravitational field.

Tl;dr you're getting hung up on technicalities, when as far as everyone apart from people in the space programs are concerned it works like this:

You have 1Kg

1Kg in mass?

Yes you have the equivalent mass of 1Kg on earth.

So it weighs 1 Kg?

Yes, it is the equivalent of 1kg's worth of newtons in terms of weight.
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#58 - AnomynousUser (12/04/2016) [-]
Good job at changing the subject and completely avoiding my point yet again. There's no need for one thing, kilogram, to refer to both mass and weight. Call the weight a flubber for all I fucking care. I'm too busy and sick of this to continue.