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#9 - I'd rather wait 3 hours to get a splinter out instead of being…  [+] (24 new replies) 13 hours ago on Fear +30
User avatar #94 - silentark (3 hours ago) [-]
Wait... A trip to the doc to get a splinter removed? Pansy
User avatar #27 - xbyronx (10 hours ago) [-]
That awkward moment when your country is over run with Muslims and is so flawless because, god save the queen, you can finally wait in line to wait until you die awaiting medication.
User avatar #91 - theshadowed (4 hours ago) [-]
But a bad injury doesn't mean we are financially ruined
Isn't your country overrun by illegal south americans?
#31 - azroth (9 hours ago) [-]
Overrun? uk is about 90% white, asians make up around 7%
User avatar #33 - xbyronx (9 hours ago) [-]
Also I didn't realize Muslim was an ethnicity. Great job champ.
User avatar #34 - azroth (9 hours ago) [-]
many muslims come from / live in asia, you silly duck
User avatar #36 - xbyronx (9 hours ago) [-]
That does not make all Muslims Asian you uncultured swine. Indonesia, Pakistan, India, and Bangladesh are the four most Muslim countries. 2,422,000 Muslims live in the UK.
#132 - viviannjames (16 minutes ago) [-]
Where do you think those countries are? South America?
#95 - silentark (3 hours ago) [-]
Actually middle east is part of Asia, so they are basically asian.
Learn some geography you uncultured fuck.
#114 - xxxsonic fanxxx (1 hour ago) [-]
Wait New Zealand is part of Australia?
As an Aussy I think there is a big difference between murderous snakes/ spiders and Uruk-hai/ the gay loving hobbits.

I know I'm a filthy anon...But calling someone uncultured then using a map that classifies NZ as part of Aus and not Oceania, please!
User avatar #140 - silentark (1 minute ago) [-]
Actually Australia and all the islands west all fall under the same continent for some reason
User avatar #32 - xbyronx (9 hours ago) [-]
I was speaking on behalf of my country, not the entire UK chill your tits.
#12 - endospore (11 hours ago) [-]
But you ARE being charged the 150k, just in taxes instead of all up front at once.

I'm a republican, so I'd rather have to pay for medical care when I need it than pay for my entire life for something I might never use and pay for other people to get free healthcare when I can barely afford my own bills in the first place.

That being said, the healthcare system does need SOME reform since the model of supply and demand used in the rest of America doesn't work with medicine (or farming, but that's another story.)
#38 - lozarus (9 hours ago) [-]
You arent charged that though. First of all, state healthcare makes it unable for private healthcare to raise its costs to stupidly high amounts (like in the US). Everything related to healthcare is so stupidly overcharged its amazing you guys keep paying it. For example, go to your local hospital and ask how much do they charge for a liter of saline solution. Most places around the world, the cost of that is around 1 to 3 dollars. You probably have to pay a hundred times that, or more. Why? Because there is no competition in the prices. You either pay what they charge or die, so they happily charge ridicoulus amount for it. If there were an option, like public free healthcare, they wont be able to do that, because then everyone would tell them to go fuck themselves.
#41 - endospore (9 hours ago) [-]
Yeah, the prices in America are high, but the solution is regulation, not making everything "free" forever. I already said supply and demand doesn't work with healthcare for loads of reasons. The most important of which is that you enter as an unwilling participant and don't have the ability to shop around for the best price like you can with a car. But while universal healthcare is one solution, it has loads of undesirable side effects.

You're saying "Gas prices are high, so let's have the government buy all the oil companies and give out gasoline through taxes." Not everyone drives the same amount. Not everyone even owns a car, so how would that be fair? And before you say 'life isn't fair." I would argue that it's the government's responsibility to attempt to make life as fair as possible.
#101 - xxxsonic fanxxx (2 hours ago) [-]
Gas isn't essential to living. Also a lot of countries (very sucessful ones) have nationalized oil companies, funding a lot of welfare.
#42 - lozarus (8 hours ago) [-]
You can always have a hybrid system, where there is both universal and private healthcare. We have that in my country. If you dont like something about the free one, you can always pay your own. What "loads of undesirable side effects" it has?
Take into account a hybrid system would not have the "wait in line forever" problem and that the US already pays enough taxes to support free healthcare.
#44 - endospore (8 hours ago) [-]
The hybrid system then involves paying twice. You're paying taxes for a service you don't want or need and then paying again to use the version you want. How is that desirable? The problem again comes back to fairness. You pay for gasoline by the gallon as you need it, you pay for electricity by the kwh as you need it, and things that you don't need still benefit you in some way.

For example, you pay taxes on roads even if you don't drive, but those roads are also used by utilities, emergency services, garbage pickup, mail deliveries and so on, so you do indirectly use them. Or even if I never call in a problem to the police, their mere presence lowers crime rate. The problem with a healthcare tax is that if I don't use it, I pay money for nothing. I am not directly or indirectly benefiting by paying for healthcare and not visiting a doctor. I am paying for someone else at that point, and that's not fair.

And the US only pays enough if you cut funds goign somewhere else. With out myriad other problems going on right now, I can't reasonably see an area where I would cut to take healthcare.
#47 - lozarus (8 hours ago) [-]
Check how much the US goverment spends in healthcare. Per capita, you spend 8.500 dollars a year, the most out of any country in the world. This is because your system charges such ridicoulus costs that you end up paying enough that you could have free healthcare, but you dont get it. So its basically the worst of the worst. You pay taxes for something you dont get. Its like your example, except instead of getting free healthcare if you wanted to, you get to pay a huge medical bill. Also, I dont see the problem of paying a bit so that people who cant pay can get decent health care. You shouldnt be so sellfish about other human lives.
#49 - endospore (8 hours ago) [-]
No, I do get it. The problem is that you didn't read my arguments. I've already said that the American system needs reform, but I'm a strong believer that universal healthcare is the worst way to go about it. The farming system in America also needs help since supply and demand doesn't work there, either, but it's happening in the opposite direction (farmers don't make enough money instead of healthcare where consumers pay too much).

And your last argument, callign me selfish over human lives, actually made me angry. First, you're using two incredible fallacies, appealing to emotion and making me seem like a monster. Second, It's not that I'm being selfish about paying for other people, it's that I barely have enough money to pay my own bills and can't afford to support other people who may even be gaming the system (it already happens with welfare and food stamps) on top of that.
#50 - lozarus (8 hours ago) [-]
Well, you cant really game the system with universal healthcare. I can see it happening with welfare and food stamps, but with healthcare? Its not like they give you money to pay the bills, they just dont give you bills.

Yes, you are right though, calling you selfish was uncalled for, and I apologize for it. I shouldnt have done it. Its just a bit late here so Im half asleep.
#51 - endospore (8 hours ago) [-]
Just a few examples would be faking illnesses for drugs, (doctors would be more overworked for free healthcare and would likely be a bit more lax with screening, letting more people slip through the cracks ) hypochondriacs, (paying 1500 bucks for a useless full body scan when you have the sniffles is fine when it's your money, but when I'm paying the taxes, enough of that will make me pay more) and just plain stupid, irresponsible, or selfish people (teens doing stupid stunts, people thinking "oh it's free, so I might as well get this case of teh sniffles checked out," ) are all things that are fine now since only they suffer the consequences, but become a problem when they increase wait time and taxes for me. And apology accepted.
#102 - xxxsonic fanxxx (2 hours ago) [-]
Because faking an illness is easy. They just give handouts of drugs at the hospital.
That's not how universal healthcare works. In most cases you get prescription, and that isnt the easiest thing to get. Also you got to pay for the medicine yourself if it's not serious.
I gladly pay taxes because i know somewhere it helps someone not getting their lives ruined by some hospital bill they didn't ask for.
#52 - lozarus (8 hours ago) [-]
Well, I agree the later two are a problem, but overall, they wont increase the cost or waiting times by much. The first I can tell you it doesnt happen (well, they dont fake the illness here, they just bribe the doctor), simply because faking an illness is not as easy as it sounds. And remember that universal healthcare would have the potential to lower all medical costs, therefore causing you to pay less when you want something, and the taxes to stay the way they are (because lets be honest, with surplus money, politians will never lower taxes).
#2 - Ha! Doctors Bills!  [+] (33 new replies) 15 hours ago on Fear +224
#128 - maddboiy (48 minutes ago) [-]
Now all we need to do is make prescriptions and dentistry free for over 18s and were fine
User avatar #16 - ilikethisusername (11 hours ago) [-]
worry about your own inflation first...
User avatar #7 - thechosentroll (14 hours ago) [-]
Yeah, I guess you don't have to worry too much about bills when your waiting lists are so long you either die or get better by the time they get to you.
#131 - viviannjames (22 minutes ago) [-]
What are you even talking about?
#124 - draxdiesel (1 hour ago) [-]
wait times in uk really arent much longer than in the US....
User avatar #106 - mathes (2 hours ago) [-]
What a stupid arguement
User avatar #103 - tylosaurus (2 hours ago) [-]
You honestly think that's how it works?
User avatar #9 - killerjhtwo (13 hours ago) [-]
I'd rather wait 3 hours to get a splinter out instead of being forced to stay the night for observation and being charged 30,000 for removal and 120,000 for the night's stay.
User avatar #94 - silentark (3 hours ago) [-]
Wait... A trip to the doc to get a splinter removed? Pansy
User avatar #27 - xbyronx (10 hours ago) [-]
That awkward moment when your country is over run with Muslims and is so flawless because, god save the queen, you can finally wait in line to wait until you die awaiting medication.
User avatar #91 - theshadowed (4 hours ago) [-]
But a bad injury doesn't mean we are financially ruined
Isn't your country overrun by illegal south americans?
#31 - azroth (9 hours ago) [-]
Overrun? uk is about 90% white, asians make up around 7%
User avatar #33 - xbyronx (9 hours ago) [-]
Also I didn't realize Muslim was an ethnicity. Great job champ.
User avatar #34 - azroth (9 hours ago) [-]
many muslims come from / live in asia, you silly duck
User avatar #36 - xbyronx (9 hours ago) [-]
That does not make all Muslims Asian you uncultured swine. Indonesia, Pakistan, India, and Bangladesh are the four most Muslim countries. 2,422,000 Muslims live in the UK.
#132 - viviannjames (16 minutes ago) [-]
Where do you think those countries are? South America?
#95 - silentark (3 hours ago) [-]
Actually middle east is part of Asia, so they are basically asian.
Learn some geography you uncultured fuck.
#114 - xxxsonic fanxxx (1 hour ago) [-]
Wait New Zealand is part of Australia?
As an Aussy I think there is a big difference between murderous snakes/ spiders and Uruk-hai/ the gay loving hobbits.

I know I'm a filthy anon...But calling someone uncultured then using a map that classifies NZ as part of Aus and not Oceania, please!
User avatar #140 - silentark (1 minute ago) [-]
Actually Australia and all the islands west all fall under the same continent for some reason
User avatar #32 - xbyronx (9 hours ago) [-]
I was speaking on behalf of my country, not the entire UK chill your tits.
#12 - endospore (11 hours ago) [-]
But you ARE being charged the 150k, just in taxes instead of all up front at once.

I'm a republican, so I'd rather have to pay for medical care when I need it than pay for my entire life for something I might never use and pay for other people to get free healthcare when I can barely afford my own bills in the first place.

That being said, the healthcare system does need SOME reform since the model of supply and demand used in the rest of America doesn't work with medicine (or farming, but that's another story.)
#38 - lozarus (9 hours ago) [-]
You arent charged that though. First of all, state healthcare makes it unable for private healthcare to raise its costs to stupidly high amounts (like in the US). Everything related to healthcare is so stupidly overcharged its amazing you guys keep paying it. For example, go to your local hospital and ask how much do they charge for a liter of saline solution. Most places around the world, the cost of that is around 1 to 3 dollars. You probably have to pay a hundred times that, or more. Why? Because there is no competition in the prices. You either pay what they charge or die, so they happily charge ridicoulus amount for it. If there were an option, like public free healthcare, they wont be able to do that, because then everyone would tell them to go fuck themselves.
#41 - endospore (9 hours ago) [-]
Yeah, the prices in America are high, but the solution is regulation, not making everything "free" forever. I already said supply and demand doesn't work with healthcare for loads of reasons. The most important of which is that you enter as an unwilling participant and don't have the ability to shop around for the best price like you can with a car. But while universal healthcare is one solution, it has loads of undesirable side effects.

You're saying "Gas prices are high, so let's have the government buy all the oil companies and give out gasoline through taxes." Not everyone drives the same amount. Not everyone even owns a car, so how would that be fair? And before you say 'life isn't fair." I would argue that it's the government's responsibility to attempt to make life as fair as possible.
#101 - xxxsonic fanxxx (2 hours ago) [-]
Gas isn't essential to living. Also a lot of countries (very sucessful ones) have nationalized oil companies, funding a lot of welfare.
#42 - lozarus (8 hours ago) [-]
You can always have a hybrid system, where there is both universal and private healthcare. We have that in my country. If you dont like something about the free one, you can always pay your own. What "loads of undesirable side effects" it has?
Take into account a hybrid system would not have the "wait in line forever" problem and that the US already pays enough taxes to support free healthcare.
#44 - endospore (8 hours ago) [-]
The hybrid system then involves paying twice. You're paying taxes for a service you don't want or need and then paying again to use the version you want. How is that desirable? The problem again comes back to fairness. You pay for gasoline by the gallon as you need it, you pay for electricity by the kwh as you need it, and things that you don't need still benefit you in some way.

For example, you pay taxes on roads even if you don't drive, but those roads are also used by utilities, emergency services, garbage pickup, mail deliveries and so on, so you do indirectly use them. Or even if I never call in a problem to the police, their mere presence lowers crime rate. The problem with a healthcare tax is that if I don't use it, I pay money for nothing. I am not directly or indirectly benefiting by paying for healthcare and not visiting a doctor. I am paying for someone else at that point, and that's not fair.

And the US only pays enough if you cut funds goign somewhere else. With out myriad other problems going on right now, I can't reasonably see an area where I would cut to take healthcare.
#47 - lozarus (8 hours ago) [-]
Check how much the US goverment spends in healthcare. Per capita, you spend 8.500 dollars a year, the most out of any country in the world. This is because your system charges such ridicoulus costs that you end up paying enough that you could have free healthcare, but you dont get it. So its basically the worst of the worst. You pay taxes for something you dont get. Its like your example, except instead of getting free healthcare if you wanted to, you get to pay a huge medical bill. Also, I dont see the problem of paying a bit so that people who cant pay can get decent health care. You shouldnt be so sellfish about other human lives.
#49 - endospore (8 hours ago) [-]
No, I do get it. The problem is that you didn't read my arguments. I've already said that the American system needs reform, but I'm a strong believer that universal healthcare is the worst way to go about it. The farming system in America also needs help since supply and demand doesn't work there, either, but it's happening in the opposite direction (farmers don't make enough money instead of healthcare where consumers pay too much).

And your last argument, callign me selfish over human lives, actually made me angry. First, you're using two incredible fallacies, appealing to emotion and making me seem like a monster. Second, It's not that I'm being selfish about paying for other people, it's that I barely have enough money to pay my own bills and can't afford to support other people who may even be gaming the system (it already happens with welfare and food stamps) on top of that.
#50 - lozarus (8 hours ago) [-]
Well, you cant really game the system with universal healthcare. I can see it happening with welfare and food stamps, but with healthcare? Its not like they give you money to pay the bills, they just dont give you bills.

Yes, you are right though, calling you selfish was uncalled for, and I apologize for it. I shouldnt have done it. Its just a bit late here so Im half asleep.
#51 - endospore (8 hours ago) [-]
Just a few examples would be faking illnesses for drugs, (doctors would be more overworked for free healthcare and would likely be a bit more lax with screening, letting more people slip through the cracks ) hypochondriacs, (paying 1500 bucks for a useless full body scan when you have the sniffles is fine when it's your money, but when I'm paying the taxes, enough of that will make me pay more) and just plain stupid, irresponsible, or selfish people (teens doing stupid stunts, people thinking "oh it's free, so I might as well get this case of teh sniffles checked out," ) are all things that are fine now since only they suffer the consequences, but become a problem when they increase wait time and taxes for me. And apology accepted.
#102 - xxxsonic fanxxx (2 hours ago) [-]
Because faking an illness is easy. They just give handouts of drugs at the hospital.
That's not how universal healthcare works. In most cases you get prescription, and that isnt the easiest thing to get. Also you got to pay for the medicine yourself if it's not serious.
I gladly pay taxes because i know somewhere it helps someone not getting their lives ruined by some hospital bill they didn't ask for.
#52 - lozarus (8 hours ago) [-]
Well, I agree the later two are a problem, but overall, they wont increase the cost or waiting times by much. The first I can tell you it doesnt happen (well, they dont fake the illness here, they just bribe the doctor), simply because faking an illness is not as easy as it sounds. And remember that universal healthcare would have the potential to lower all medical costs, therefore causing you to pay less when you want something, and the taxes to stay the way they are (because lets be honest, with surplus money, politians will never lower taxes).
#8 - mattassassin (13 hours ago) [-]
Or you could pay for private and not have to wait, the point is it's free for anyone who can't afford it or simply doesn't want to pay
#11 - This isn't related to the context, this is related to the show…  [+] (1 new reply) 18 hours ago on Feminism and that +4
#12 - xxxsonic fanxxx (18 hours ago) [-]
Not to mention that BS between the Jessie James gang vs Al Capone, where they had two novices with guns firing at targets vs two trained cowboys who won awards for how quickly they can unload into a target. If you're seriously telling me that cowboys with six-shooters beat gangsters with tommy guns and grenades, you're delusional.
#3 - ******* **** really?! Thanks OP.…  [+] (3 new replies) 10/23/2014 on Five nights at freddies 2 +125
#233 - xxxsonic fanxxx (14 hours ago) [-]
is this jama
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1. turn on light
2. turn on lamp
3. turn off light
4. turn off lamp
5. sleep

if you don't have a bedside table with a lamp on it then you're fucked
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Foxy jumps at you c:
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Am 2x4, can confirm
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It's not that it was hard (at least I didn't think so), it's that it was tedious. The 3ds remake made it way more enjoyable.
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Fire arrows at the first temple,?
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While that is fair the caption say said no one ever
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