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#268 - malific (17 minutes ago) [-]
See I disagree.
I say electricity because it leads to methods of physical motion that are not fire based, but also computing. Computing has advanced our civilization so fast in such a short time I see it as a requirement, but I consider it a default extrapolation of mathematics which is a default of simply becoming sentient. Mathematics + Electricity = Computers, so i don't make it a filter simply because it will happen, like life eventually becoming sentient.
Fire... Yes they need fire. Or rather the ability to create and control heat at will. Think of a tech tree in an RTS. Without fire you can't advance, whether you get cold or not doesn't matter you HAVE to have fire, a mean to create intense heat (aka fire). You can get irrigation, gardening, cattle ranching, maybe even crop farming and wooden housing. But stone working? No, you need metal working for that which is fire based. Naval Ability? High end carpentry which needs metal working. Fire leads to metal working, metal working leads to your first levels of true civilization.
Please notice I DIDN'T say "nuclear power" as a requirement for Type 1, I said "Split the Atom" and that's exactly what I meant. Splitting the atom leads to quantum mechanics and a higher understanding of physics, something I believe is a requirement for a Type 1. Nuclear power is certainly a shortcut, but by no means a requirement for type 1.
Nuclear power to me is a requirement for a type 2, which is more where I see the "high tech"
With nuclear I'm including fusion as well as fission, this creates and infinite self contained energy source which you'll need in space for stations and ships and such. I'm not talking like the ISS, I'm talking like moon bases, City stations, and Nation fleets, that kind of stuff. And I see all that as a precursor to a Type 2.
You need large amounts of self contained power to run these things and maintain a livable environment, regardless of what environment you started in.
As to different values... Your example, sadly, supports me more than you. Yes the Egyptians did great things, but in the end, they collapsed, lost their technology, and started over down the fire/steam/electricity route rather than the fire/slave/battery route.
The didn't pass their Steam filter and had to start over. BTW, Every single power plant in existence, uses steam to create electricity. Even Nuclear power plants, that's one reason why steam is filter, not because of the steam engine. They had to learn steam could make power than learn it can be used to make electricity.
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