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#2744976 - This is literally how conspiracy theories start. 21 minutes ago on Friendly 0
#2744953 - Well at least you have some solid classical liberal alternativ… 30 minutes ago on Friendly 0
#2744944 - Yeah the political spectrum of your country is pretty much ide…  [+] (2 new replies) 34 minutes ago on Friendly +1
User avatar #2744947 - mikli (33 minutes ago) [-]
I'm technically in the "youth" version (up to ages 30). We're slightly right-er.

And yeah, the rest are socialist scums or totally irrelevant. It's silly.
User avatar #2744953 - kanadetenshi (30 minutes ago) [-]
Well at least you have some solid classical liberal alternatives. The "liberal" parties in my congress are tax mongers. Only one party is even proposing a flat tax and chances they will gain seats is thin.
#2744937 - Apparently you can't open carry in Texas. Come one Te…  [+] (5 new replies) 41 minutes ago on Friendly 0
User avatar #2744940 - zeruaargi (39 minutes ago) [-]
That's for handguns, rifles and shotguns are good.
User avatar #2744941 - shisno (38 minutes ago) [-]
..... didn't that law just pass?
User avatar #2744942 - zeruaargi (37 minutes ago) [-]
I have no clue, I just literally googled it 5 seconds ago. Confirmation Bias baby
User avatar #2744948 - shisno (33 minutes ago) [-]
i was reading all over the paper that it was passed
#2744951 - zeruaargi (30 minutes ago) [-]
#2744934 - Which one?  [+] (4 new replies) 42 minutes ago on Friendly +1
#2744939 - mikli (39 minutes ago) [-]
I'm not sure which political spectrum to place it on, since the one we have here in Scandinavia is like
socialist - liberal
with conservatism in the middle somewhere
but on that, it's right winged
on the American liberal - conservatist spectrum I guess it's slightly right, but closer to center

unless you just asked the name
in that case it's called Venstre
User avatar #2744944 - kanadetenshi (34 minutes ago) [-]
Yeah the political spectrum of your country is pretty much identical to mine.

That one and Liberal Alliance are probably the most interesting Danish parties.
User avatar #2744947 - mikli (33 minutes ago) [-]
I'm technically in the "youth" version (up to ages 30). We're slightly right-er.

And yeah, the rest are socialist scums or totally irrelevant. It's silly.
User avatar #2744953 - kanadetenshi (30 minutes ago) [-]
Well at least you have some solid classical liberal alternatives. The "liberal" parties in my congress are tax mongers. Only one party is even proposing a flat tax and chances they will gain seats is thin.
#2744772 - Just remove safety labels and let the issue solve itself. 1 hour ago on Friendly +1
#2744610 - Muh gains. 2 hours ago on Friendly +1
#81603 - There's a fine difference between calling places racist and fo… 4 hours ago on Politics - politics news,... 0
#81582 - Goddammit there goes my little bit of hope for the US.  [+] (5 new replies) 7 hours ago on Politics - politics news,... 0
User avatar #81595 - akkere (5 hours ago) [-]
I recall him doing something similar with his FAIR act, a piece of legislation that was supposed to fight off the ability federal government has to take property away from those who have only been suspected of committing a crime. Yet he's done little in his end to ward off the issue the Keystone Pipeline XL regarding the federal government's use of eminent domain to confiscate property for the project (the latest rendition of the bill for voting had a section regarding the defense of private property, but it only held a single line that simply stated no methods could be used that were against the constitution, which would effectively do little to nothing).

Just goes to show you shouldn't throw your chips to a politician because his policies are attractive; bills and legislation speak the truth in the end.
User avatar #81600 - Shiny (4 hours ago) [-]
Well, it's not like anyone's gonna grease his palm for defending public siezure of assets. There's literally no point in being a politician in the US if you aren't corrupt.
User avatar #81590 - Shiny (6 hours ago) [-]
lol, "massive-d"
User avatar #81584 - lulzforgaza (7 hours ago) [-]
yeah that is pretty weird. Looks like he is pandering to other republican voters. This is just the beginning though, if he gets more and more popular he wills start going back on a lot of issues and changing his mind to pander.
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#1922 - yooisa (10/27/2014) [+] (2 replies)
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We'll live on front porches and swing life away
We get by just fine here on minimum wage
If love is a labor, I'll slave to the end
I won't cross these streets until you hold my hand
#3219 - theluppijackal ONLINE (03/25/2015) [-]
Hey sister!
How goes it?
#3193 - theluppijackal ONLINE (03/23/2015) [-]
Hey   
Sup sister?
Hey
Sup sister?
User avatar #3194 to #3193 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/23/2015) [-]
Not much. Just had to learn 40 breeds of dogs in one day for a test tomorrow. You?
User avatar #3195 to #3194 - theluppijackal ONLINE (03/23/2015) [-]
I thought you learned mostly about farm animals
or are you going to be a general vet?

Just chilling
Gonna make some vegan chili cheese fries in a bit
Like the fat ass I am
User avatar #3196 to #3195 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/23/2015) [-]
General. It's just that the only places here where i can work are places with farm animals.
User avatar #3197 to #3196 - theluppijackal ONLINE (03/23/2015) [-]
Don't most purebred dogs have disposed illnesses anyway because we bred them for funsies?
User avatar #3198 to #3197 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/23/2015) [-]
Lot of them are yes. When people started to breed dogs for their looks instead of their abilities it got pretty messy and the AKC is doing a terrible job maintaining correct breeding methods. The most saddest examples imo being the German Shepherd and the Saint Bernard.
User avatar #3199 to #3198 - theluppijackal ONLINE (03/23/2015) [-]
I heard the pitbull had the most issues because his nose was squishy so it was hard to breath
plus he has all the extra skin.
User avatar #3200 to #3199 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/23/2015) [-]
You're thinking of Bulldogs (Especially English ones). Pit Bull types like the APBT and the Amstaff don't have this problem since they don't have a squished face.
#3201 to #3200 - theluppijackal ONLINE (03/23/2015) [-]
Ah, alright
Well, that's why you're the expert and I'm not
Good luck on your test!
Sounds like you'll pass

I want to adopt a chicken and I can't decide between a dog or a cat when I move out
I know dogs its easier to feed them vegan, but I'm also a cat person soooo
User avatar #3202 to #3201 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/23/2015) [-]
I have my dogs on a BARF diet although my old Labrador gets half meat half green beans since she's on a diet.

Adopting farm animals is pretty risky if you live in urban or rural places. I have the luck of living in a province that strongly relies on big agricultural fields.
#3203 to #3202 - theluppijackal ONLINE (03/23/2015) [-]
I'm sure I can make it work
User avatar #3205 to #3203 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/23/2015) [-]
It'll really depend on where you live. Wouldn't want to raise a chicken in an area where it'll feel unhappy and unsatisfied.
User avatar #3207 to #3205 - theluppijackal ONLINE (03/23/2015) [-]
Chickens are actually more comfortable in enclosed spaces
Well, not the cages they're kept in but super wide open farms make them feel unsafe since they use trees to protect themselves from predators.
User avatar #3210 to #3207 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/23/2015) [-]
Plus i wouldn't recommend only one chicken. A pecking order is very important for the development of a chicken.
User avatar #3209 to #3207 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/23/2015) [-]
Chickens like to have shelter yes, but they're also adventurous. Hence why free range chickens often stray off from the farm to go explore, usually in groups. I often hear complaints about chickens going in people's yard. Though they're very good at finding their way back since that's where they know is free food and shelter.
User avatar #3184 - yooisa (03/23/2015) [-]
Ew
User avatar #3185 to #3184 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/23/2015) [-]
uwot
User avatar #3186 to #3185 - yooisa (03/23/2015) [-]
E




W
User avatar #3187 to #3186 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/23/2015) [-]
r00d
User avatar #3188 to #3187 - yooisa (03/23/2015) [-]
Whoa. Yooi's being rude? Stop the presses
User avatar #3189 to #3188 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/23/2015) [-]
Yeh. :c
User avatar #3190 to #3189 - yooisa (03/23/2015) [-]
What's up, ghey? <3
User avatar #3191 to #3190 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/23/2015) [-]
Oh the usual. Just having to learn 40 dog breeds for tomorrow.
User avatar #3206 to #3204 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/23/2015) [-]
Your emotions are an enigma at times.
User avatar #3208 to #3206 - yooisa (03/23/2015) [-]
>at times
User avatar #3211 to #3208 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/23/2015) [-]
It's no fun when you admit it!
User avatar #3212 to #3211 - yooisa (03/23/2015) [-]
It's no secret. My emotions go everywhere all the time. Not to mention how forgetful about stuff I am.

Reminds me. I've been doing thinking of something for a few months. I'll explain later, but it's not a bad thing.
User avatar #3214 to #3212 - yooisa (03/23/2015) [-]
Well, it can be taken the wrong way I guess. But I don't want it to be a negative
User avatar #3213 to #3212 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/23/2015) [-]
Oh?
User avatar #3215 to #3213 - yooisa (03/23/2015) [-]
I'll wait until exams and stuff have settled for you
User avatar #3216 to #3215 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/23/2015) [-]
Well as long as you don't back out of the idea due to emotion switch i'm fine with you keeping it a surprise.
User avatar #3217 to #3216 - yooisa (03/23/2015) [-]
Only if I get down enough that I push people away. But I think, and I know I say this a lot, but I think it's going to be k this time. I finally admit something's wrong. Whether it be some bipolar thing or depression or something idk, but something's not right. And one of my roommates knows. It's really relaxing in a way. Didn't mean for this to come up though. ;_;
User avatar #3218 to #3217 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/23/2015) [-]
Ah well i will trust you and wait when the busy period is over. <3
User avatar #3192 to #3191 - yooisa (03/23/2015) [-]
No big deal
User avatar #3153 - yooisa (03/21/2015) [-]
The yellow background flash hurts my eyes every time ;_;

What's up, girl?
User avatar #3166 to #3163 - yooisa (03/21/2015) [-]
Also, there's going to be a Chaa route for the Angel Beats VN. I don't know how I feel about this
User avatar #3168 to #3166 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/21/2015) [-]
Oh god.
User avatar #3165 to #3163 - yooisa (03/21/2015) [-]
Oh god what
User avatar #3169 to #3167 - yooisa (03/21/2015) [-]
That's pretty gay
User avatar #3171 to #3170 - yooisa (03/21/2015) [-]
I'm not though
User avatar #3172 to #3171 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/21/2015) [-]
Shhhh.
User avatar #3173 to #3172 - yooisa (03/21/2015) [-]
You already fantasized it, didn't you?
User avatar #3174 to #3173 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/21/2015) [-]
Maaaaaaaaaybe.
#3177 to #3176 - yooisa (03/21/2015) [-]
It's k. I starve you enough to justify it
User avatar #3178 to #3177 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/21/2015) [-]
Yeah that would be pretty much us when we live together.
User avatar #3179 to #3178 - yooisa (03/21/2015) [-]
Making me do the cooking
User avatar #3180 to #3179 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/21/2015) [-]
But you like cooking.
User avatar #3181 to #3180 - yooisa (03/21/2015) [-]
ssssssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Get out of here with your truths. Knowing me and **** . What's wrong with you?
User avatar #3182 to #3181 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/21/2015) [-]
<3
User avatar #3183 to #3182 - yooisa (03/21/2015) [-]
<3
User avatar #3154 to #3153 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/21/2015) [-]
:c

I'm fine, playing Halo with a friend.
User avatar #3155 to #3154 - yooisa (03/21/2015) [-]
Haven't even touched Halo after Reach. Which one?
User avatar #3156 to #3155 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/21/2015) [-]
Reach.
User avatar #3157 to #3156 - yooisa (03/21/2015) [-]
For what?
User avatar #3158 to #3157 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/21/2015) [-]
Campaign.
User avatar #3159 to #3158 - yooisa (03/21/2015) [-]
tfw joke goes over their head
User avatar #3160 to #3159 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/21/2015) [-]
omg yuyu pls
User avatar #3161 to #3160 - yooisa (03/21/2015) [-]
You love it
User avatar #3162 to #3161 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/21/2015) [-]
nou
User avatar #3164 to #3162 - yooisa (03/21/2015) [-]
Nuh uh. You
User avatar #3134 - yooisa (03/20/2015) [-]
Why is Heart Attack the best song of our time?
User avatar #3135 to #3134 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/20/2015) [-]
ehhhh...
User avatar #3136 to #3135 - yooisa (03/20/2015) [-]
You clearly don't know good music
User avatar #3137 to #3136 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/20/2015) [-]
Just not into commercialized stuff. I like folk and metal.
User avatar #3138 to #3137 - yooisa (03/20/2015) [-]
Your neckbeard is showing. I guess next you're going to say you like watching anime
User avatar #3139 to #3138 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/20/2015) [-]
Excuse me it's based on a rich historical culture that spawned your country.
User avatar #3140 to #3139 - yooisa (03/20/2015) [-]
Wait. Which part?
User avatar #3141 to #3140 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/20/2015) [-]
Folk mostly. But European metal has most of it's element from folk.
User avatar #3142 to #3141 - yooisa (03/20/2015) [-]
I thought you were meaning the anime for a second. I got worried

Never really been one for history tbh. So eh. The future is where it's at
#3143 to #3142 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/20/2015) [-]
Probably because the history of your country can be boiled down to slavery, cowboys, witch hunts and 9/11
User avatar #3144 to #3143 - yooisa (03/20/2015) [-]
Hey, you're the one that's said you want to come here.
User avatar #3145 to #3144 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/20/2015) [-]
For you. <3
User avatar #3146 to #3145 - yooisa (03/20/2015) [-]
You're so ghey

<4
User avatar #3147 to #3146 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/20/2015) [-]
You know it.
User avatar #3148 to #3147 - yooisa (03/20/2015) [-]
Oh. I go back to my shift after next week. Took next thursday and friday off to get sleep on track. Keep me company when it comes ;_;
User avatar #3149 to #3148 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/20/2015) [-]
I'll see what i can do. I have two tests and an essay next week. I also have to do resits soon. **** has been stressing me out.
User avatar #3150 to #3149 - yooisa (03/20/2015) [-]
Resits?

And don't push yourself <3 I don't want you too worked up.
User avatar #3151 to #3150 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/20/2015) [-]
Redoing some tests i failed earlier this year.

It just takes a lot of time. For one test i have to memorize over 40 dog breeds, the other will be about zoonosis and i haven't even started the essay yet.
User avatar #3152 to #3151 - yooisa (03/20/2015) [-]
Oh, so just reatkes.

There, there. You'll make it, gril. I believe
#3090 - theluppijackal ONLINE (03/19/2015) [-]
What's your take on the trolley problem?
User avatar #3091 to #3090 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/19/2015) [-]
I would solve the Trolley Problem by installing air brakes and a brake catch on the tracks since PLC's would monitor the track cricuits and switches and send the information down an RS485 cable to a FEP providing information to a real time server.
#3102 to #3091 - theluppijackal ONLINE (03/19/2015) [-]
Also you forgot the most plausible scenario
#3092 to #3091 - theluppijackal ONLINE (03/19/2015) [-]
Bitch you know that's not the question
User avatar #3093 to #3092 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/19/2015) [-]
The issue of the trolley problem is based around how to prevent people from being crushed by the trolley. I would take that scenario any day over the flawed theoretical dichotomy.
#3094 to #3093 - theluppijackal ONLINE (03/19/2015) [-]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolley_problem

#3092 to #3091 - theluppijackal ONLINE (2 minutes ago) [-]
Bitch you know that's not the question
User avatar #3117 to #3094 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/19/2015) [-]
I'd be more interested in the communist answer. If everyone has equal right to the property of the lifeboat it would be immoral to leave people meaning the scenario either leaving people is immoral or you cause everyone to die.
#3118 to #3117 - theluppijackal ONLINE (03/19/2015) [-]
I imagine the women and children first rule would apply.
User avatar #3119 to #3118 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/19/2015) [-]
But why do women and children have more rights in a communist society, is that not hierarchical?
User avatar #3120 to #3119 - theluppijackal ONLINE (03/19/2015) [-]
1) children haven't had as much opportunity to live as adults. The younger, the more ethical it would be to save.
2 [dunno if this really applies anymore, but this is the argument as it was explained to me]) Women are imperative for the survival of the species. You can have 1 man and 1,000,000 womyn and repopulate easily but not so with vice versa

You're also asking the question under your framework of 'the property owner of the boat can make the moral choices' here
User avatar #3121 to #3120 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/19/2015) [-]
So communists support a utilitarian hierarchy system?
User avatar #3123 to #3121 - theluppijackal ONLINE (03/19/2015) [-]
Also, is that even utilitarian?
If we're speaking in terms of maximizing happiness we can't know for certain if the children will do so. We also hardly can say if women would lead happier lives than men.
User avatar #3122 to #3121 - theluppijackal ONLINE (03/19/2015) [-]
I'm not a communist, you forget, I'm a hippie smoking fascist Christian socialist who wants the government to solve all my problems :^)


But again, you're asking under your presumptuous framework that property owner has all the rights, even in extreme dilemmas.
You asked why women and children have more rights in this situation, I gave you a pair of plausible answers. Far be it from me to speak on half of communists. Go ask one.
User avatar #3124 to #3122 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/19/2015) [-]
Well i assumed you'd know a bit about communist morality since you read Zizek.

I asked in a framework where right is not determined by property, so that there is no clear moral determination on how to say which ones have more right than the other. So i asked on the basis of collective ownership of the lifeboat.
User avatar #3125 to #3124 - theluppijackal ONLINE (03/19/2015) [-]
Yes but even within collective ownership you asked about 'who has more rights to it than the other'. Basically, at the least, mentioning the collective ownership is moot at worst and at best, you're still arguing for the relevancy of property.

Oh? Zizek doesn't really speak for all communists either. You said yourself he's been criticized by other leftists.
I'm more interested in his analysis than his theories really. Plus he skirts around 'morality' a lot and is more interested in all of the precedes to it.
Like, when he examines 'violence' in his book Violence he more examines the nature of the violence and why certains acts of violence took place rather than judge the action itself. He gives implications of his judgements of course, but never says why, really. For one example, when discussing Israel, which he is against, here's a little passage from Violence

"Arthur Koestler, the great anti-Communist convert proposed a profound insight: "If power corrupts, the reverse is also true; persecution corrupts the victims, though perhaps in subtler and more tragic ways." Cécile Winter recently proposed along these lines a nice mental experiment: Imagine the state of Israel, as it has developed over the last half century, without the history of Jewish suffering as a rationale for its policies. It would be a standard story of colonization. So why should we, as Alain Badiou proposes, abstract the Holocaust from our judgments about Israel's actions toward Palestinians? Not because one can compare the two, but precisely because the Holocaust was an incomparably worse crime. It is those who evoke the Holocaust who effectively manipulate it, making it an instrument for today's political uses. The very need to evoke the Holocaust in defense of Israel's actions implies that its crimes are so horrible that only the absolute trump-card of the Holocaust can redeem them.

Recall the joke evoked by Freud in order to render the strange logic of dreams: (1) I never borrowed a kettle from you; (2) I returned it to you unbroken; (3) the kettle was already broken when I got it from you. Such an enumeration of inconsistent arguments confirms what it hopes to deny-that I returned to you a broken kettle. Doesn't the same inconsistency characterize the way radical Islamists respond to the Holocaust? (1) The Holocaust did not happen. (2) It did happen, but the Jews deserved it. (3) The Jews did not deserve it, but they themselves lost the right to complain by doing to Palestinians what the Nazis did to them. These conflicting positions are reflected in the views of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who recently questioned the historical reality of the Holocaust while implying that guilt for complicity in the Nazi genocide had led European countries to support Israel:"
User avatar #3126 to #3125 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/19/2015) [-]
Because collective ownership is the ******* principle behind ******* communism. It's not moot when the entire philosophy ******* relies on it.

It's like arguing how utilitarians would solve something and you're like "Yeah but you're arguing under the presumption of maximizing happiness" Of course because it's how utilitarianism works.
User avatar #3127 to #3126 - theluppijackal ONLINE (03/19/2015) [-]
That wasn't my point. You're presuming the ownership is relevant at all.
You're still under your framework of 'ownership is relevant to morality even in extremes'

What's to say communists even believe as such?
User avatar #3129 to #3127 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/19/2015) [-]
If communists abandon the very foundation of their morality then their morality is moot.
User avatar #3128 to #3127 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/19/2015) [-]
The ownership is relevant because communists base their morality on ownership. Their entire political view is based around ownership.
User avatar #3130 to #3128 - theluppijackal ONLINE (03/19/2015) [-]
"Does that still apply even in extremes?" Is what I'm asking. I wouldn't know because I'm not a communists. Plenty of schools of philosophical thought call for suspension of certain beliefs in extremes.
User avatar #3131 to #3130 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/19/2015) [-]
Which is why i dislike extreme examples applied to moral theory since they're useless to most schools.
#3132 to #3131 - theluppijackal ONLINE (03/19/2015) [-]
*shrug*   
Search me. I'm still in the process of working out my own ethical frameworks anyway.   
A year ago I still thought it was fine to kill something for palette pleasure.
*shrug*
Search me. I'm still in the process of working out my own ethical frameworks anyway.
A year ago I still thought it was fine to kill something for palette pleasure.
User avatar #3096 to #3094 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/19/2015) [-]
I would rather be logical and try to prevent such a thing from happening than trying to ponder over a non-problem that will never happen.
User avatar #3095 to #3094 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/19/2015) [-]
I know what the trolley problem is. It's not worth an answer because it's not a serious moral dillema.
User avatar #3097 to #3095 - theluppijackal ONLINE (03/19/2015) [-]
So you would throw the switch then?
User avatar #3098 to #3097 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/19/2015) [-]
Nobody can tell what they would do in such a situation. Again it's not something worth answering to for any serious moral philosopher.
User avatar #3099 to #3098 - theluppijackal ONLINE (03/19/2015) [-]
Well that's just your opinion.
User avatar #3100 to #3099 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/19/2015) [-]
When such a scenario is actually practical in real life call me, until then hypotheticals are as useful for morality as Call of Duty is for weapon knowledge.
User avatar #3101 to #3100 - theluppijackal ONLINE (03/19/2015) [-]
Again, completely your opinion. I say hypothetical such as this encourage analysis on what moral actions are.

Okay, so what about the lifeboat scenario? That has happened in real life, several times, and relatively speaking it's the same question.
User avatar #3103 to #3101 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/19/2015) [-]
If you really want an answer to a worthless morally empty dilemma. Pulling the lever means you murder someone, not pulling it means the person who tied the 5 people murdered them and you're innocent.

The lifeboat problem purely depends on who owns the boat.
#3104 to #3103 - theluppijackal ONLINE (03/19/2015) [-]
Cool, I got your answer anyway

I can't imagine the person who happens to own the lifeboat really being present.
What does the owner even have to do with it? Does consideration of private property still apple in life and death situations?...also I realized I didn't even clarify *what* lifeboat problem. There are 100s to consider
User avatar #3106 to #3104 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/19/2015) [-]
The most used lifeboat problem is one where only a certain amount of people can fit in the lifeboat.

There could be two scenarios

1. The owner of the lifeboat or a representative (Captain) holds the property and as such is allowed to make the property decisions
2. The owner or representative died in the wreck But there where rules made in advance where allocation of the seats in a lifeboat where decided in advance
3. Worst case scenario. Owner or representative died and there are no rules made in advance. At this point the lifeboat would be temporarily unowned and as such the first people who make it in the lifeboat become the owners of the boat. Meaning that trying to throw people out of boat would be an initiation of force. At that point it depends on whether people are willing to voluntarily give up their seat.
User avatar #3109 to #3106 - theluppijackal ONLINE (03/19/2015) [-]
Sorry
I find it rather unpractical to believe we'd give a **** who owned the lifeboat when lives were at stake.
Don't really think I'd be floating by and go 'Oh you own the boat and don't wanna give up any seats? Ah, well, carry on, I'll just drown.'
User avatar #3110 to #3109 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/19/2015) [-]
You didn't ask for what would actually happen. You asked for my moral solution.

You wouldn't expect people to calmly put women and children first either when life is on the line.

This is why these extreme dilemmas are so flawed to apply in moral theory.
#3111 to #3110 - theluppijackal ONLINE (03/19/2015) [-]
Your moral solution is still consideration of private property?

...

Uh...





Alright.
User avatar #3113 to #3111 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/19/2015) [-]
And of course private property morally still applies.
User avatar #3112 to #3111 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/19/2015) [-]
As opposed to people bashing eachothers head in and taking your private property?
User avatar #3114 to #3112 - theluppijackal ONLINE (03/19/2015) [-]
When did we say anything about bashing heads in?
User avatar #3115 to #3114 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/19/2015) [-]
Without the right of property anyone can chaotically claim it, leading to allowing people to initiate violence against each other being morally right. It's impossible to be consistently non-violent in theory without respect for property rights.
User avatar #3116 to #3115 - theluppijackal ONLINE (03/19/2015) [-]
Uh...

Alright. If you say so.
#3105 to #3104 - theluppijackal ONLINE (03/19/2015) [-]
&gt;does consideration of private property still apple   
&gt;apple   
oops
>does consideration of private property still apple
>apple
oops
User avatar #3107 to #3105 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/19/2015) [-]
Put all apples in lifeboat
Everyone dies
User avatar #3108 to #3107 - theluppijackal ONLINE (03/19/2015) [-]
This is my favorite answer
#3078 - theluppijackal ONLINE (03/18/2015) [-]
Scrolling back a bit, I'm reading 'The Kingdom of God is Within You' and I'm finding myself becoming an absolute pacifist. Not an anarcho-Christian but at the least, Tolstoy is making a quite coherent case that if one is to be Christian he must be nonviolent, even in the case of self defense.
What do you think about absolute pacifism? I know you advocate for cases of self defense, but outside of that, what are your thoughts on those who would not even raise a hand to defend themselves? Crazy or onto something?
User avatar #3079 to #3078 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/18/2015) [-]
I think absolute pacifism relies on pure utopian principles. If a person wants to refuse to defend himself when he's getting robbed or murdered that's his own personal choice but to me when someone tries to use violence they lost their own right to be safe from violence.
User avatar #3080 to #3079 - theluppijackal ONLINE (03/18/2015) [-]
Could you expand on what you mean by your first sentence? Namely 'pure utopian principles'?
User avatar #3081 to #3080 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/18/2015) [-]
Well the principle behind absolute pacifism would probably be trust that nobody would try to inflict violence on you. Which then would mean that such a system could only really work if every individual was absolute pacifist.
User avatar #3082 to #3081 - theluppijackal ONLINE (03/18/2015) [-]
I don't think this is the case at all.
I think the principle behind absolute pacifism is your absolute rejection of violence more than anything. Though my thoughts are a little hazy right now, I've been indoors all day and have only had bread and hummus [albeit several servings of it].

Plus, certain objections and actions aren't always about practicality, no? You acknowledge that the world won't go vegan anytime soon, yet adhere vegan principles and object to those that would be anti-vegan, right? Consider: those that aren't vegan are using force upon animals. Have they lost there right to be safe from violence? Or maybe those are slightly different...
User avatar #3083 to #3082 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/18/2015) [-]
I would have no problem using means of violence to safe animals but there are some pragmatic problems. One being that after rescuing an animal the animal usually has no place to go and second being that i'd get thrown in prison for it.

No no what i'm saying is that in practice absolute pacifism could only work if nobody would ever commit violence. Otherwise absolute pacifism would just encourage and breed more violence by having no means of stopping a criminal from raping you or your loved one.
User avatar #3084 to #3083 - theluppijackal ONLINE (03/18/2015) [-]
As I said. Actions and objections aren't always about practicality.

So you're saying people or some people are predisposed to violence? You're saying nonviolence breeds violence as opposed to violence breeding violence? I don't want to misunderstand you here
User avatar #3085 to #3084 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/18/2015) [-]
Practicality it what matters because that's what's realistic.

Well yes, you can't have blind trust that nobody will ever be peaceful, there will always be violent people. And i do think absolute non-violence breeds violence as it is saying to criminals that there are no consequences of them violating your rights.
User avatar #3086 to #3085 - theluppijackal ONLINE (03/18/2015) [-]
I think you're sort of missing the point of absolute pacifism. Consider Gandhi or Martin Luther King Jr. Though yes they were both assassinated their amazing commitment to nonviolence allowed for staggering progress in a relatively short amount of time.

Absolute pacifists [or more broadly nonviolence resistance] dare to look into the face of those who might do them harm and say "So what?"

I can't help but see that as 1000 times more powerful than any pair of handcuffs
User avatar #3087 to #3086 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/19/2015) [-]
Lol k have fun getting assassinated.
#3088 to #3087 - theluppijackal ONLINE (03/19/2015) [-]
Have fun under your giant cooperate monopoly :^)
Have fun under your giant cooperate monopoly :^)
User avatar #3089 to #3088 - theluppijackal ONLINE (03/19/2015) [-]
corporate*
#3008 - theluppijackal ONLINE (03/18/2015) [-]
Hey   
Sup buttercup?
Hey
Sup buttercup?
User avatar #3013 to #3008 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/18/2015) [-]
Not much, voted today.
User avatar #3016 to #3013 - theluppijackal ONLINE (03/18/2015) [-]
Oh? there was an election?
Who'd you vote for?
Did you go practical or more with who you want to win?
User avatar #3018 to #3016 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/18/2015) [-]
Two actually. We had the province elections and then we have a complete seperate election for water management. (Haha Dutch stereotypes)

For the water management i voted the Water Management Society. (Though that election is as you'd expect not as interesting)

For the provincial election i voted for the Party of Freedom and it was definitely practical since the two other parties i'd actually vote for (VNL and Libertarian Party) didn't participate in my province. In fact the sole reason i voted for them was for the left-wing parties not to gain big influence.
User avatar #3026 to #3018 - theluppijackal ONLINE (03/18/2015) [-]
**** it
User avatar #3027 to #3026 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/18/2015) [-]
#3006
User avatar #3029 to #3027 - theluppijackal ONLINE (03/18/2015) [-]
www.funnyjunk.com/user/kanadetenshi/3006#3006
Yeah I feel like there's a word for this but google and bing didn't help
So I was wonder if you knew
User avatar #3025 to #3018 - theluppijackal ONLINE (03/18/2015) [-]
>>3006, oops
#3023 to #3018 - theluppijackal ONLINE (03/18/2015) [-]
btw, I still need an answer to this &gt;&gt;3006,      
 That sounds like fun hope they win.
btw, I still need an answer to this >>3006,
That sounds like fun hope they win.
User avatar #3028 to #3023 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/18/2015) [-]
Anything but the labour and socialists at least.
#3037 to #3028 - theluppijackal ONLINE (03/18/2015) [-]
Sorry, guess I just want to rob rich people and love totalitarianism :^)
User avatar #3038 to #3037 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/18/2015) [-]
I played World of Warcraft communist edition and all items, weapons and armor where replaced with free distributed starter armor and bread. :^)
#3039 to #3038 - theluppijackal ONLINE (03/18/2015) [-]
But how can warcraft have a communist edition if we've never achieved communisms :^^^^^^)
Checkmate you capitalist pig
User avatar #3040 to #3039 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/18/2015) [-]
Obviously the Night Elves caused a revolution and put all the merchants in gulags.
#3041 to #3040 - theluppijackal ONLINE (03/18/2015) [-]
I was more speaking to the fact that we had a lengthy debate over the definition of communism. You were more stringent and held that the definition only applied to states that actually &quot;achieved&quot; communism as described by Karl Marx, which no one has, obviously, because that'd be utopia.
I was more speaking to the fact that we had a lengthy debate over the definition of communism. You were more stringent and held that the definition only applied to states that actually "achieved" communism as described by Karl Marx, which no one has, obviously, because that'd be utopia.
User avatar #3042 to #3041 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/18/2015) [-]
Isn't that how most marxists define it though?
#3043 to #3042 - theluppijackal ONLINE (03/18/2015) [-]
Well, definitions and approaches to certain ideas change and evolve over time. I think even you can appreciate that. Though, not all communists are marxists. I wouldn't know much about all that. I'm sure I'll read Capital [probably an abridged version] and Communist manifesto eventually, but I can never see myself buying into that idea. Much like I just can't seem to quite buy into absolute free market, as you know.

I'm a typical leftist-sheeple and think there needs to be a delicate blend of free market, somewhat lenient taxes, and social policies that help people, really. Certain policies that wouldn't come at a charge that would help people as well
User avatar #3044 to #3043 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/18/2015) [-]
I'm aware of non-marxist communists like anarcho-communists exists too. Although the only time i've seen communists not defined as a moneyless utopia is when gun toting conservatives call everything they don't like communist.

My problem with communism and the principle behind common ownership is that the ideology essentially boils down to a giant soup kitchen economy.
#3046 to #3044 - theluppijackal ONLINE (03/18/2015) [-]
My main problem is just in terms of sheer practicality, it seems to falls apart once even one person disagrees on something.    
&quot;Wait, no, I don't want to share my X with Y.&quot;   
What to do then?   
   
I'm sure there are microinstances where this has worked, probably in ancient societies where if we didn't share we'd all die, but now that we have excess it's difficult to gauge how to distribute equally, isn't it?   
What's equal for a person with a disability may vary from harshness of the disability.   
   
But I'm stating the obvious.   
   
I read something interesting the other day. It was about countries with organ donations. In countries where organ donations [upon death or what have you] were automatic [that is to say, you'd be enrolled upon registering to vote or getting your liscense or whatever] the opt out rate maximized at around 11%. So this means 89% of people just stuck with what was automatic. More organ donors.   
However, in countries where you had to enroll to become an organ donor upon death or brain death, the highest rate was a mere 27% or so, even after extensive advertising.    
I was wondering then, what your thoughts on this. So long as we make people aware of the 'opt out' option, wouldn't it be a good idea to have automatic enrollment for organ donations?
My main problem is just in terms of sheer practicality, it seems to falls apart once even one person disagrees on something.
"Wait, no, I don't want to share my X with Y."
What to do then?

I'm sure there are microinstances where this has worked, probably in ancient societies where if we didn't share we'd all die, but now that we have excess it's difficult to gauge how to distribute equally, isn't it?
What's equal for a person with a disability may vary from harshness of the disability.

But I'm stating the obvious.

I read something interesting the other day. It was about countries with organ donations. In countries where organ donations [upon death or what have you] were automatic [that is to say, you'd be enrolled upon registering to vote or getting your liscense or whatever] the opt out rate maximized at around 11%. So this means 89% of people just stuck with what was automatic. More organ donors.
However, in countries where you had to enroll to become an organ donor upon death or brain death, the highest rate was a mere 27% or so, even after extensive advertising.
I was wondering then, what your thoughts on this. So long as we make people aware of the 'opt out' option, wouldn't it be a good idea to have automatic enrollment for organ donations?
User avatar #3063 to #3046 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/18/2015) [-]
I don't care about your end justifying the means. Whether it's 100% or 0% is irrelevant to the fact that government forced you into a default position and as such is a violation of self-ownership. Forcing someone in a choice before they consented even if they can opt out is a morally bad practice.
User avatar #3066 to #3063 - theluppijackal ONLINE (03/18/2015) [-]
This isn't about ends justifying means, you know how much I'm against that.

“There is a new wave of interest in exploring how to frame choices so that people make better decisions. Richard Thaler and Cass Sunstein, professors of economics and law, respectively, teamed up to write Nudge: Improving Decisions About Health, Wealth, and Happiness, which advocates using defaults to nudge us to make better choices. Even when we are choosing in our own interests, we often choose unwisely. When employees have the option of participating in a retirement-savings program, many do not, despite the financial advantages of doing so. If their employer instead automatically enrolls them, giving them the choice of opting out, participation jumps dramatically”
Okay, now this is a free market example. Would you be against business that ran like this?
User avatar #3069 to #3066 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/18/2015) [-]
Not to forget that an employer mutually agrees to join the place. A citizen is essentially forced to register at the government for a proper living nowadays.
User avatar #3068 to #3066 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/18/2015) [-]
I definitely is ends justifying the means. You support coercion and forcing people into a position before they even agreed to it in order to justify less people dying.

There's no such thing as framing choices, choices are purely based on non-force and non-framing. To dupe and frame someone into a position before they agreed is not choice and clearly different from actual voluntary choice.

I wouldn't be against businesses that ran like this because a business is someone's private property. Government services are not.
#3070 to #3068 - theluppijackal ONLINE (03/18/2015) [-]
I never even said I was for this program or against it. I'm mostly arguing as 'I' for the sake of ease and brevity.    
   
I was arguing for a system where we make it very clear in a form of voter registration or whatever that you will automatically be enrolled for organ donation to see your thoughts on it. But you keep insisting that it's 'duping' and 'forcing' people for automatic enrollment, even when I stated repeatedly in this devils advocate argument the system should make it clear.   
   
Isn't an employer 'duping' his employee in the above retirement system, even if he makes it clear? He's framing a choice after all. Maybe I didn't know about the automatic enrollment in the retirement system. Or is it just my own damn fault I didn't read the employee contract clearly enough?
I never even said I was for this program or against it. I'm mostly arguing as 'I' for the sake of ease and brevity.

I was arguing for a system where we make it very clear in a form of voter registration or whatever that you will automatically be enrolled for organ donation to see your thoughts on it. But you keep insisting that it's 'duping' and 'forcing' people for automatic enrollment, even when I stated repeatedly in this devils advocate argument the system should make it clear.

Isn't an employer 'duping' his employee in the above retirement system, even if he makes it clear? He's framing a choice after all. Maybe I didn't know about the automatic enrollment in the retirement system. Or is it just my own damn fault I didn't read the employee contract clearly enough?
User avatar #3076 to #3070 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/18/2015) [-]
Sure, i don't see why not.
User avatar #3074 to #3070 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/18/2015) [-]
We're just repeating arguments here. I stand behind the fact that it's coercive.
User avatar #3077 to #3074 - theluppijackal ONLINE (03/18/2015) [-]
I won't say where I stand on it either way. 'Organ donation' isn't on my high list of activism causes anyway. Not that the death of an individual isn't sad, but 11 or so a day dying on the waiting list compared to a number of other more important things sort of makes it a pure matter of practicality on picking your battles where you can.
User avatar #3073 to #3070 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/18/2015) [-]
The thing is. It only works as a choice when it comes to institutions that you can choose to go to voluntarily. Government registration is anything but voluntary.
User avatar #3075 to #3073 - theluppijackal ONLINE (03/18/2015) [-]
At that point we can just go to the 'don't like it? Leave' argument I suppose.

Again, if that were the case, you're sort of going for the 'freedom from choice' argument.

To sort of de-escalate the debate, would you be in favor of incentives that promote registering for organ donation? For example, lets say organ donors automatically are moved up higher on the organ registration list [that is to say, those who opt-in, if they need an organ, are more likely to be given one]
User avatar #3071 to #3070 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/18/2015) [-]
He definitely would be duping the employee if the employee didn't properly read the contract. And the employer has the right to do so since it's his company and his rules.

It's duping and framing by definition since they put him into a position he never consented to.
#3072 to #3071 - theluppijackal ONLINE (03/18/2015) [-]
So you're arguing we have freedom from choice here if governments go from automatic enrollment, even in cases where we make it clear in registration?
Sort of like the two dads who want their kid to visit grandma, one says 'you have to visit grandma' and the other says 'you don't have to visit grandma, but she loves you very much'.
Even younger people recognize the second dad is giving less choices than the first dad.
User avatar #3061 to #3046 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/18/2015) [-]
Here's a simple one.

Government comes over. Asks you if you want to donate your organs. There's an option between yes and no. Person says no. No automatic coercion.
User avatar #3064 to #3061 - theluppijackal ONLINE (03/18/2015) [-]
But the system of an automatic 'no' as well fails dramatically. It leaves many people to die because of a shortage of organ donations.

Also, I double checked the numbers, it was the highest was a 15% opt out rate. but my point still stands
User avatar #3067 to #3064 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/18/2015) [-]
A system of an automatic no is simply a translation of people not being coerced into something before they where properly asked and clearly said yes.

My point stands. Automatically saying that a person must give their organs before they even said yes even when they can opt out is coercion and immoral.
User avatar #3048 to #3046 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/18/2015) [-]
Lol don't even get me started on the many ways communism doesn't work.

Like you said the problem arrives when someone decides not to put in their share of work, do they still give him the basic food supplies? If yes then nobody would essentially have the motivation to work other than volunteering because their reward is the same as when they're unemployed. But if not then they're essentially letting someone starve for not joining their community, which is precisely the objection they seem to have against capitalism.

No because i don't believe the government has rightful ownership of the land and as such cannot force people to donate their organs in order for them to get permission to do things.
User avatar #3049 to #3048 - theluppijackal ONLINE (03/18/2015) [-]
I figured as much.
But it's not really force if they can opt out, is it? Again, as long as we make it clear that this is automatic and you opt out. I mean, I'm being a bit general when I say that, I'm sure you can give examples where I have the option to opt out and it'd still qualify as 'force' but I fail to see how this is a bad thing here.
User avatar #3052 to #3049 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/18/2015) [-]
Let's put it like this. Imagine going to Walmart and they suddenly say "Sure you can buy stuff from here but if you do you must give us your heart when you die" It's not coercive but it definitely is not a place i would go shopping.
User avatar #3055 to #3052 - theluppijackal ONLINE (03/18/2015) [-]
That's a false equivalence if I've seen one

If they put a giant sign in front of the store that said 'if you shop here, you have to sign a form. It registers you to shop here. There's also a part where you agree to be an organ donor. We have a 'I do not wish to be an organ donor' check box on it. Check that if you don't want to' that'd be much more accurate.
User avatar #3059 to #3055 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/18/2015) [-]
That would be simply the same as a voluntary system but with not wishing to be an organ donor written in small letters like a contract scam.
User avatar #3062 to #3059 - theluppijackal ONLINE (03/18/2015) [-]
I sincerely doubt that. Humans often go for the default system. You really believe only 11% [or whatever adjustment is needed to include those that would volunteer to begin with] were aware they had to opt out to not donate organs? As I said above, countries that advertise extensively only had a 27% volunteer rate.
User avatar #3050 to #3049 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/18/2015) [-]
You can opt out of any country that allows you to leave. So the argument essentially boils down to "If you don't like it you can leave"

The issue is the idea of automatic registering in the first place, which assumes that there are things i'm not allowed to do if i don't comply to giving up my organs. I believe that's bad government practice and forced into a 2-way coercion of either giving your organs or having the right to choose who dictates over you.
User avatar #3053 to #3050 - theluppijackal ONLINE (03/18/2015) [-]
It's not like there are things you aren't allowed to do. I said that in the 'be clear' part. It's a simple choice of saying 'no' to organ donations. An easy one at that.
User avatar #3057 to #3053 - theluppijackal ONLINE (03/18/2015) [-]
I said opt out from the organ donating, not the registration period.
User avatar #3060 to #3057 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/18/2015) [-]
Even that's in itself coercive. You made the choice before he was allowed to make one and you're giving him the option to opt out later. The fact that you already automatically signed him up for donation is in itself coercion. And again the fact shows that many people are not aware of this "clear" automation. It's a bad system.
User avatar #3056 to #3053 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/18/2015) [-]
Not to forget that many people aren't even aware of the automatic decision. If there where then the percentage would be as high as the voluntary one.
User avatar #3058 to #3056 - theluppijackal ONLINE (03/18/2015) [-]
Again, I said be clear the donations are automatic.
User avatar #3054 to #3053 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/18/2015) [-]
When you opt out from government registration there's plenty of things you're no longer allowed to do. Such as driving or voting.
User avatar #3051 to #3050 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/18/2015) [-]
*keeping your organs
User avatar #3007 - yooisa (03/18/2015) [-]
Ghey
User avatar #3012 to #3007 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/18/2015) [-]
nou
User avatar #3014 to #3012 - yooisa (03/18/2015) [-]
Wish harder
User avatar #3015 to #3014 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/18/2015) [-]
I try!
User avatar #3017 to #3015 - yooisa (03/18/2015) [-]
Well apparently not enough. What's up?
User avatar #3019 to #3017 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/18/2015) [-]
I'm fine. Need to learn economy for a test tomorrow though. :c
User avatar #3020 to #3019 - yooisa (03/18/2015) [-]
I'm no help there. I just handle numbers.
User avatar #3021 to #3020 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/18/2015) [-]
Neeeeeeeerd.
User avatar #3022 to #3021 - yooisa (03/18/2015) [-]
Well
I mean
Yeah
But you put up with it
User avatar #3024 to #3022 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/18/2015) [-]
Good point.

So how are you? <3
User avatar #3030 to #3024 - yooisa (03/18/2015) [-]
Exactly

Eeeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhhhhh. Day started off feeling ****** . It got better, but I don't think it'll last.
Also was told it was rude to be so quiet by a guy at work. That was something.
User avatar #3032 to #3030 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/18/2015) [-]
Welcome to my life lol.
User avatar #3033 to #3032 - yooisa (03/18/2015) [-]
I just want to work with people I'm familiar enough to goof around with ;_;
User avatar #3034 to #3033 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/18/2015) [-]
Like me? :3
User avatar #3045 to #3034 - yooisa (03/18/2015) [-]
Yep. Knew it wasn't lasting long. I'm just gonna shower and bed before it gets too bad.
User avatar #3047 to #3045 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/18/2015) [-]
Sorry? ;___;
User avatar #3065 to #3047 - yooisa (03/18/2015) [-]
you didn't do anything
User avatar #3035 to #3034 - yooisa (03/18/2015) [-]
Ew Of course<3
#3009 to #3007 - theluppijackal ONLINE (03/18/2015) [-]
Beat me by three seconds   
Darn you
Beat me by three seconds
Darn you
#3010 to #3009 - yooisa (03/18/2015) [-]
I try
I try
#3011 to #3010 - theluppijackal ONLINE (03/18/2015) [-]
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#3006 - theluppijackal ONLINE (03/17/2015) [-]
i'm probably annoying you at this point, I didn't even realize how often I was coming to your profile    
   
What's it called in debate when someone has to use the most extreme example to counter your points/position?    
I call it 'going nuclear' because often when debating the ethics of torture, the example will be brought up 'what if there was a nuclear bomb below NYC and the only way to extract the information on where it was was to torture the suspect?'    
There are a number of counter arguments to the above example, of course, but often in 'going nuclear' it tends to either make the respondent look like a fool for saying yes/no or admit an exception to whatever the argument was, thus making the other person the so called 'victor'.   
   
I feel 'going nuclear' tends to de-legitimize debates.
i'm probably annoying you at this point, I didn't even realize how often I was coming to your profile

What's it called in debate when someone has to use the most extreme example to counter your points/position?
I call it 'going nuclear' because often when debating the ethics of torture, the example will be brought up 'what if there was a nuclear bomb below NYC and the only way to extract the information on where it was was to torture the suspect?'
There are a number of counter arguments to the above example, of course, but often in 'going nuclear' it tends to either make the respondent look like a fool for saying yes/no or admit an exception to whatever the argument was, thus making the other person the so called 'victor'.

I feel 'going nuclear' tends to de-legitimize debates.
User avatar #3031 to #3006 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/18/2015) [-]
Hyperbole.
User avatar #3036 to #3031 - theluppijackal ONLINE (03/18/2015) [-]
Well I don't think that quite fits. But thank you
User avatar #2973 - yooisa (03/16/2015) [-]
Hey ghey
User avatar #2995 to #2973 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/16/2015) [-]
Then again if you where easy it wouldn't be as fun.
User avatar #2996 to #2995 - yooisa (03/16/2015) [-]
Easy for what?
User avatar #2997 to #2996 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/16/2015) [-]
lewd stuff
User avatar #2998 to #2997 - yooisa (03/16/2015) [-]
I guess?
User avatar #2999 to #2998 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/16/2015) [-]
<3
User avatar #3000 to #2999 - yooisa (03/16/2015) [-]
<3 even though I'm just a game for lewd stuff
User avatar #3001 to #3000 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/16/2015) [-]
Game?
User avatar #3002 to #3001 - yooisa (03/16/2015) [-]
You said it wouldn't be fun if I was easy
User avatar #3003 to #3002 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/16/2015) [-]
Oh now i get it. And that's not true.<3
User avatar #3004 to #3003 - yooisa (03/16/2015) [-]
Sssssssssssuuuuuuurrrrrrrrreeeeeeee
User avatar #2975 to #2973 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/16/2015) [-]
Said the ghey.

Hi tho. <3
User avatar #2976 to #2975 - yooisa (03/16/2015) [-]
You wish

What's up? <3
User avatar #2977 to #2976 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/16/2015) [-]
You're damn right i wish.

Not much, just got done showering.
User avatar #2978 to #2977 - yooisa (03/16/2015) [-]
tfw no ghey yooi

Fun fun. I've got milk and cookies and it's just amazing.
#2979 to #2978 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/16/2015) [-]
Only related gif i have.
Only related gif i have.
User avatar #2980 to #2979 - yooisa (03/16/2015) [-]
Meh
User avatar #2981 to #2980 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/16/2015) [-]
You should poor the milk on yourself and make pics.
User avatar #2982 to #2981 - yooisa (03/16/2015) [-]
lolwut
User avatar #2983 to #2982 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/16/2015) [-]
Do it slut.
User avatar #2984 to #2983 - yooisa (03/16/2015) [-]
>slut
>yooi
Pick one
User avatar #2985 to #2984 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/16/2015) [-]
I pick both! Sue me.
User avatar #2986 to #2985 - yooisa (03/16/2015) [-]
Except that option doesn't exist at all
User avatar #2987 to #2986 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/16/2015) [-]
I know there is depending on your mood.
User avatar #2988 to #2987 - yooisa (03/16/2015) [-]
Eeeehhhhh. It's pretty tame for a while now.
User avatar #2989 to #2988 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/16/2015) [-]
;____;
User avatar #2990 to #2989 - yooisa (03/16/2015) [-]
?
User avatar #2991 to #2990 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/16/2015) [-]
You know why!
User avatar #2992 to #2991 - yooisa (03/16/2015) [-]
Because no gay slutty yooi?
User avatar #2993 to #2992 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/16/2015) [-]
Yeh. Cri evertim. ;___;
User avatar #2994 to #2993 - yooisa (03/16/2015) [-]
tfw
#2972 - theluppijackal ONLINE (03/16/2015) [-]
hello darkness my old friend....
Gaze upon the stupidity kana
gaze upon it ye might and despair
User avatar #2974 to #2972 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/16/2015) [-]
Lots of christian **** i dun care about.
User avatar #3005 to #2974 - theluppijackal ONLINE (03/17/2015) [-]
I was more speaking towards his objection that you can't be merciful towards animals because 'that's not what mercy means'
#2969 - theluppijackal ONLINE (03/16/2015) [-]
ah, anyway, hows your day going?
User avatar #2970 to #2969 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/16/2015) [-]
Preparing for a very busy couple of weeks with some tests.
User avatar #2971 to #2970 - theluppijackal ONLINE (03/16/2015) [-]
ahhhh, you're studying then
I'll prompty leave you alone
good luck my lovie
#2964 - theluppijackal ONLINE (03/16/2015) [-]
I'm unsure how to respond to this, this is a rather new argument.
User avatar #2965 to #2964 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/16/2015) [-]
Unrealized potential sounds like special pleading without any clear evidence. Unrealized potential by what standards? A mentally disabled adult with the mental capacity of a 2 year old won't be able to understand the gospel no matter how hard you try. And i know from experience since i volunteered at a care farm that took care of mentally disabled people and they where very christian.
#2966 to #2965 - theluppijackal ONLINE (03/16/2015) [-]
Ah, see, I knew there was something wrong with it. It just stumped me a little. I had heard that argument before but forgot the response.
It was something like "just as a mentally disabled human is still human, a broken toaster is still a toaster." Or whatever
Anyway, how're you?
User avatar #2967 to #2966 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/16/2015) [-]
To adapt to new arguments you haven't heard before is probably the most important but most difficult thing in debates, especially when it's public and you have to directly figure out a response.

One of the biggest flaws of many arguments is that they rely on weasel words and assumptions, for example the claim "there's unrealized potential in a disabled kid" is a weasel word.

And besides that there's always my favorite, the "even if" approach. For example even if it where true that he had unrealized potential to understand the gospel it would say nothing about the kids moral capacity.
User avatar #2968 to #2967 - theluppijackal ONLINE (03/16/2015) [-]
Yeah, I thought I had heard them all but this one caught me off guard
It says nothing about intelligence being a morally relevant factor, for that matter either.
#2963 - theluppijackal ONLINE (03/16/2015) [-]
the-christian-vegan.tumblr.com/post/113770663309/the-audacity-of-silence   
I'm starting up my blog again   
Might be a little rustic so I was wondering what you thought
the-christian-vegan.tumblr.com/post/113770663309/the-audacity-of-silence
I'm starting up my blog again
Might be a little rustic so I was wondering what you thought
#2962 - theluppijackal ONLINE (03/15/2015) [-]
glory comrade   
how're you?
glory comrade
how're you?
#2961 - theluppijackal ONLINE (03/15/2015) [-]
glory comrade!
how're you my lovie?
#2947 - theluppijackal ONLINE (03/13/2015) [-]
hi
sup my lovie?
User avatar #2948 to #2947 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/13/2015) [-]
Hai, i'm fine. I recently got accepted to write for Spiked.
#2949 to #2948 - theluppijackal ONLINE (03/13/2015) [-]
www.spiked-online.com/
This one?
Never heard of it till just now
that's neat
Good pay?
Or is it volunteer?
User avatar #2950 to #2949 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/13/2015) [-]
Volunteer. I'd rather not get paid anyway since i want to remain mostly anonymous.
#2951 to #2950 - theluppijackal ONLINE (03/13/2015) [-]
Why anon?
Why anon?
User avatar #2952 to #2951 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/13/2015) [-]
Because it's my first time doing something like that and having my identity open like that isn't really comfortable to me. I just want to see how the first article goes and if they like what i do i'll see what else my future relationship with Spiked will be
#2953 to #2952 - theluppijackal ONLINE (03/13/2015) [-]
I suppose
Please link me to whatever article you write
Any ideas on a topic yet?
User avatar #2954 to #2953 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/13/2015) [-]
I've always kinda wanted to do an article on "cultural appropriation"
#2955 to #2954 - theluppijackal ONLINE (03/13/2015) [-]
Well, judging by spikes content, this is the perfect place to do so   
Is there anything more 			********		 than cultural appropriation?   
What is that even?   
I'm insulting people by knowing their culture?
Well, judging by spikes content, this is the perfect place to do so
Is there anything more ******** than cultural appropriation?
What is that even?
I'm insulting people by knowing their culture?
User avatar #2956 to #2955 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/13/2015) [-]
Pretty much, in the article i'll be mainly talking about how being opposed to cultural appropriation leads to cultural segregation and monoculturalism in the same fashion nationalists want. And that human progress thrives on adopting, sharing and learning from each others cultures.
User avatar #2957 to #2956 - theluppijackal ONLINE (03/13/2015) [-]
You'd think tumblr, as left as they are, would realize that
User avatar #2958 to #2957 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/13/2015) [-]
Horseshoe theory is true after all.
#2960 to #2958 - theluppijackal ONLINE (03/13/2015) [-]
>If you are, at any point, unsure what race or gender you are, or which way you sexually swing, go to a university debate. About anything. Doesn’t matter if you’re taking about gender relations or Gaza, sooner or later you’ll have your privilege, or lack thereof, checked for you.

Beautiful
#2959 to #2958 - theluppijackal ONLINE (03/13/2015) [-]
Ah the 'so far to the left they came out right' sort of deal
Can't disagree there

Looking through the book reviews on spike, I have about 5 new books to read
#2937 - theluppijackal ONLINE (03/11/2015) [-]
Well given your whole communist argument you're having right now, it's only appropriate I post this
How're you my lovie?
#2938 to #2937 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/11/2015) [-]
I'm fine.
User avatar #2940 to #2938 - theluppijackal ONLINE (03/11/2015) [-]
?
User avatar #2941 to #2940 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/11/2015) [-]
It was pretty good i guess.
User avatar #2942 to #2941 - theluppijackal ONLINE (03/11/2015) [-]
Do anything fun?
Read about anything neat?
Any responses to you talking about the netherland parties?
User avatar #2943 to #2942 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/11/2015) [-]
Read about a debate on free speech. It's not recorded but SJW tears where shed.
#2944 to #2943 - theluppijackal ONLINE (03/11/2015) [-]
&quot;the right not to be offended&quot;   
			****		 if I got in a tizzy about all the things that offended me I wouldn't be able to walk down the street.   
Link to the article on the debate?
"the right not to be offended"
**** if I got in a tizzy about all the things that offended me I wouldn't be able to walk down the street.
Link to the article on the debate?
User avatar #2945 to #2944 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (03/11/2015) [-]
www.facebook.com/events/327308487464193/

Trigger Warning: A hell lot of butthurt feminists.
User avatar #2946 to #2945 - theluppijackal ONLINE (03/11/2015) [-]
>This is the most triggering and offensive event I've ever attended. You should be ashamed of yourselves.
Someone said this unironically
#2939 to #2938 - theluppijackal ONLINE (03/11/2015) [-]
Have/having a good day?
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