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Did you actually read my post? I said that destruction of property is wrong. No one has the right to destroy someone else's property no matter how offensive it is.
Saying that the confederate flag is not a flag of slavery is moronic. It is symbolic of the confederacy who seceded as a response to the abolitionists. Sure, some may use the flag for historical/cultural reasons but by and large it is seen as a symbol of racism and hate.
All I was saying is that we have to prepare people for the real world where actions have consequences. There are no safe spaces and what you do may have real implications. If you make something offensive, people may overreact. If you destroy someone else's work you should be punished,
I have read it, but the overall tone of your post, despite mentioning destruction of property being wrong, seemed to be: "deserved for provoking" - the property destruction seemed more like a site note in yours.
Saying that the confederate flag is not a flag of slavery is moronic
No that is the moronic statement.....saying that the confederate flag is for slavery is like saying if you are against federal funds for planned parenthood you are against abortion. Confederate flag was for state's rights....to get the government out of the states business.....just like the government should not tell you what to do with your pregnancy.
Yes it was about states rights...to allow slavery.
I'm not really sure what your point is about planned parenthood and abortion. Every argument I've heard for defunding planned parenthood features abortion as the reason they shouldn't receive government funds. I'm sure some people just don't want to pay for other people's healthcare, but in that case medicare and/or medicaid would be a better target as they are far greater recipients of government funds.
Like I said before, I'm sure that some may use the flag for historical/cultural reasons, but it is still a symbol of slavery. Even if you personally see it differently, you have to recognize how others will see it as well. Since many see the flag as a symbol of racism and hate, displaying that symbol may provoke negative reactions. You made the choice with the foreknowledge that negative reactions may occur, and you should be willing to accept the consequences of that choice.
My point is that whatever the reasons that stem from the main idea does not mean that that makes it the main reason for the idea.
If i choose a black car because It doesn't get dirty and because of that I like the way it looks doesn't mean I got the car mainly because i like the way it looks.
If I choose to remove myself because I don't like someone telling me what to do and part of that is telling me to not own slaves does not mean that the main reason i chose to remove myself is because of slavery.
Defunding planned parenthood because I don't believe that federal funding should be used in a personal decision like abortion which I do not condone does not mean that I am against your personal decision to have one.
Your feelings for an object like this are yours alone and if you react because of those feelings it is not to be blamed on anyone but yourself.
Possibly, but if nearly 100% of the arguments for an idea use a single reason, then it is likely that that is why most people are supporting it.
And my argument isn't that people who like the confederate flag are racist or support slavery, it is that others perceive it as a symbol or racism and slavery and may take negative actions as a result. Given the intense outcry against the flag in recent years it stands to reason that most people know the connotations and make their decision to use or not use the flag accordingly.
If you willingly show a symbol that you know others perceive as hateful, then you can't act surprised when someone acts negatively. They are still in the wrong and should be punished accordingly.
So what you're saying is that if the majority of people believe that something is negative then it is up to you to understand that there may be negative actions acted upon you or that something because of those feelings??
That is a fair way of putting it, although I would amend that it wouldn't necessarily take a majority, it could be a particularly violent minority group.
For example would you post a drawing you made of Muhammad with your full name and address? Not unless you had a death wish.
Would you wear red if you lived in a neighborhood with Crips? Probably not.
This is based on the idea that it is foolish to expect the world to conform to your ideals. If you try you may experience negative consequences. It all depends on how important the thing is vs. the potential negative consequences, it is up to each of us to make the determination.
So if you are black and you are walking at night you should know that there is a possibility that you will be mistaken for a thief or thug and understand that you are to blame for whatever attack happens against you.
If you are gay and you flaunt it in front of others then you should know that the possibility that you will be called faggot or similar statements or maybe even physically harmed and understand that you are to blame for that as well.
Am I understanding you correctly??
The blame still resides with whoever did the attacking, but yeah if someone undertook the actions you described they would be taking a risk of the negative consequences you outlined.
The world is a shitty place. Hopefully things will improve in time, but until then you have to take calculated risks and hope your luck holds out.
The obvious difference between these examples and the confederate flag situation is that wielding a flag is not an inherent characteristic. Anyone can choose to not wield the flag.
And anyone can choose to not step outside if they are black....and anyone can choose to not make it apparent that they are gay. I agree with you the world is shitty.
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To be fair, it would depend where you ask, places like Miami would know while Mormon country wouldn't.
Yeah, Amish people wouldn't either. But I think I can safely assume that you are neither.
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Everyone knows the gay slang, and if you assume they don't then your a faggot yourself, faggot.
If we ask a hundred people "Do you know the muppets?" and then proceed to ask "Do you know what the gay slang 'bear' means?" I would bet you 10$ that more people know the muppets.
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