Upload
Login or register

jokeface

Last status update:
-
Personal Info
Gender: male
Age: 25
Consoles Owned: Nintendo DS, PS2
Video Games Played: Pokemon, Pokemon, and that one with the monsters you have to capture and battle. I forget what it's called.
Interests: Writing, Lucid dreaming, Pokemon, Transformers (yes, even the Michael Bay version), Christianity, and movies.
Date Signed Up:4/07/2011
Location:Right behind you
FunnyJunk Career Stats
Comment Ranking:#12436
Highest Content Rank:#1053
Highest Comment Rank:#310
Content Thumbs: 16201 total,  18317 ,  2116
Comment Thumbs: 26716 total,  33951 ,  7235
Content Level Progress: 16.5% (165/1000)
Level 216 Content: Comedic Genius → Level 217 Content: Comedic Genius
Comment Level Progress: 53.9% (539/1000)
Level 324 Comments: Covered In Thumbs → Level 325 Comments: Covered In Thumbs
Subscribers:18
Content Views:606832
Times Content Favorited:1194 times
Total Comments Made:13859
FJ Points:11177
Favorite Tags: tags (20) | fuck (10) | Pokemon (7) | Boobs (6) | ponies (6) | BLAH (3) | comp (3) | dat (3) | description (3) | meh (3) | dont (2) | fucking (2) | leo (2) | meme (2) | You (2)
I tell jokes and I make faces. I am JokeFace.

latest user's comments

#326 - Come on, son. You've been on the internet too long to open tha…  [+] (14 new replies) 09/25/2015 on shut up 0
User avatar
#327 - popeflatus (09/25/2015) [-]
Don't make claims that your ass can't cash pal.
User avatar
#329 - jokeface (09/25/2015) [-]
The cashing will come later, when we die.
User avatar
#330 - popeflatus (09/25/2015) [-]
Life, the Universe and Nothing: Has science buried God? Talk is cheap. Any one can say things like that but considering that there is not only zero evidence for your god, the counter evidence that science has discovered has buried god. This video is definitely wroth watching as professor Lawrence Krauss simply annihilates a Christian apologist.
User avatar
#334 - jokeface (09/25/2015) [-]
Listening to the video in the next tab as I type this.

I'll grant that there's no solid proof of God (and nor should there be if you understand how faith works). But I disagree that God has, or can, be "buried". The most logically appropriate philosophy, in regards to whether or not God exists, is agnosticism. It's fair to say Christians are irrational in our faith, but I say you are equally irrational in your denial. Yes, science has discovered a lot, but nothing science has found gives me any reason to doubt God's existence.
User avatar
#338 - popeflatus (09/25/2015) [-]
Faith is just believing in things when there is no evidence. It's not a virtue.

Saying that I'm irrational because i deny your claim of the existence of your god? No, that's rational. It's irrational to accept things as being absolutely true in the complete absence of evidence. That is almost as irrational a belief can be.

Do you believe in Adam and Eve? Well science has buried that story.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_evolution

Noah's ark is a complete myth.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noah's_Ark#Historicity

And the stories of Jesus were written decades after his alleged life. They are also written by unknown authors contrary to popular belief, vary significantly and have zero corroborating evidence to back them up.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus

The bible is full of claims about talking donkeys, witches, magic, miracles and monsters all of which science has blasted into smithereens.

Not only is there no evidence for any of the claims made by the bible but the evidence of reality shows it to be just another work of fiction like the 100 that existed for thousands of years before the Israelites even existed.
User avatar
#340 - jokeface (09/25/2015) [-]
I have shit to do but I'll come back to this later.
User avatar
#341 - popeflatus (09/25/2015) [-]
Okely dokely.
User avatar
#349 - jokeface (09/25/2015) [-]
It would take me a long time to gather my rebuttals to all of these, but fortunately someone has already done it for me. Here's a link to a trailer for a video course in which they address all the archaeological evidence supporting the Bible. I watched this course as well as a few others in my Sunday school class when I was in college, and it was pretty riveting. Sadly I can't show you the full video because it's only available if you buy it, but maybe you could find it somewhere online.

www.thetruthproject.org/about/culturefocus/TrueU-Promo-Teaser-Is-the-Bible-Reliable.aspx
User avatar
#351 - popeflatus (09/25/2015) [-]
Again, talk is cheap. Documentaries don't mean anything when it comes to science. These people have to prove their claims and if you start by visiting those links I gave you you'll see why there is no reason to believe in the bible at all.

Can I ask if you believe in Adam and Eve?
User avatar
#358 - jokeface (09/25/2015) [-]
Meh, sort of. I'm of a two-pronged belief when it comes to Genesis. I think maybe it's meant to be taken literally, but maybe it's metaphorical. I don't even strictly identify as either YEC or OEC. Because I don't think it matters. When it comes to Genesis, I believe that the message is more important than the way the narrative is interpreted. I believe in God, I believe that He created the world, I believe that mankind turned away from Him and ended up paying a hefty price for it. But really most of my spiritual focus lies in the New Testament, and I believe that's all literal and straightforward (aside from what Jesus specified to be parables, and of course the Book of Revelation, which is almost certainly metaphorical).

But to give you a more concise and specific answer, I would say I'm open to Adam and Eve having existed. Given what we know about Satan and his powers of deception, as well as that verse I posted in the other part of this thread, I think that it's very possible for the entire geology of the planet to change in an instant, and as such I don't think archaeology is necessarily a reliable science. For example, I think it's entirely possible that Satan, in an attempt to turn man away from God, planted in the world false evidence of human evolution. Am I sure about this? No, it's just one idea I'm open to. I have others, but basically it all comes back to the core belief that there is a God, He created us, and we fell away from Him.
#360 - popeflatus (09/25/2015) [-]
OK. You need to stop.

Just 'thinking' that archaeology is not a valid science means nothing. You don't get to pick and chose which parts of science you accept and which you don't just to accommodate a religious belief.

If you disagree with anything in science you have to prove it. If you have no proof your claim is dismissed.

You can't just say that you 'know' things about Satan when he's nothing more than a character in an old book with zero evidence of his existence. People like you are the laughing stock of the scientific community because you don't understand how reason and the scientific method work at all.

Did you know that Noah's Ark is just a retelling of a Sumerian story called the 'Epic of Gilgamesh'? This story has been around for at least 500 years before the first Israelites existed. Even YHWH was originally a minor Canaanite deity that the Israelites took and made into their god.

Even the Exodus is a fictitious story that is based on several pre-existing stories.

The bible has a fucking talking donkey in it and you think it's rational?

Pic related:it's a talking donkey.
User avatar
#361 - jokeface (09/25/2015) [-]
I'm just answer your questions, man. Never said you had to agree with me.

But yea I actually do have to go for real now. Got a job interview. Wish me luck!
User avatar
#362 - popeflatus (09/25/2015) [-]
Good luck. Don't let Satan trick you into telling your boss how much you love Jesus! ;)
User avatar
#359 - jokeface (09/25/2015) [-]
Sorry that second part wasn't as pithy as I had intended it to be.
#278 - It's no skin off His nose, but it's bad for us. Bad for our sp…  [+] (26 new replies) 09/25/2015 on shut up 0
User avatar
#280 - rakogoki (09/25/2015) [-]
again, so what?
is god getting his "proper" worship from us more important than our well being?
User avatar
#328 - jokeface (09/25/2015) [-]
Idk how else to answer your question other than what I just said. No, He doesn't need anything from us. But we need Him. And our well-being in this life is only temporary. The most important thing is that we connect with Him, so that we can go to heaven. That takes precedence.
User avatar
#417 - lordofhell (09/26/2015) [-]
You don't need him people just need to stop being asshats.
User avatar
#418 - jokeface (09/26/2015) [-]
There's something in Christianity called the Fruit of the Holy Spirit, and it encompasses nine qualities of a good person: Peace, Joy, Love, Kindness, Gentleness, Faithfulness, Goodness, Patience, and Forbearance. These are all exclusively God-based things. If you don't have God in your heart, then it's impossible to have any of those qualities. And by having those qualities, you're showing that God is working in your heart whether you believe in Him or not. So even an atheist is empowered by God whenever they do something good, kind, loving, etc.
User avatar
#528 - testaburger (09/26/2015) [-]
Bullshit.

Morals existed before your religion, and they'll exist after your religion dies out.
User avatar
#532 - jokeface (09/26/2015) [-]
You're pretty much consciously ignoring what I'm saying at this point. What do I need to say to get this through your skull? God and religion are not the same thing. God existed eternally before human's created a system of worshiping Him, and He exists in your mind and your heart regardless of whether or not you believe in Him. You're right, you don't need religion to be moral. I agree with you there. But your morals come from God putting them there when He created you. I don't care if you don't believe that, I'm not trying to get you to believe that. I'm just trying to get you to understand what we believe.
User avatar
#533 - testaburger (09/26/2015) [-]
"But your morals come from God putting them there when He created you"
1. How do you know?
2. My parents created me, not god.
#499 - lordofhell (09/26/2015) [-]
**lordofhell used "*roll picture*"**
**lordofhell rolled image**Except those concept were around before Christianity someone doesn't need to be devoted to God to experience them.
User avatar
#516 - jokeface (09/26/2015) [-]
I didn't say Christianity invented those concepts, nor did I say you need to be devoted to God to experience them. I'm saying that even if you're not a believer, God is still the source of those things regardless.

There's a story I heard by a famous pastor named Time Keller. I forget if this happened to someone he knew personally or if he just heard it from somewhere, but it was a woman who was in a financial crisis and couldn't even afford to put food on her table, and so she prayed that God would help her, and her neighbor, who was an atheist, finally got fed up with her praying to an imaginary sky wizard to save her, and bought her some groceries. And he said, "See? God didn't help you. Angels didn't help you. I helped you, because I actually exist." And the woman told him, "Thank you, I'm grateful, but God did help me, by using you as a channel of His love."
User avatar
#530 - testaburger (09/26/2015) [-]
And once again you people take credit for other people's work.
User avatar
#534 - jokeface (09/26/2015) [-]
How are we taking credit? The credit goes to God and to the neighbor. First to God for blessing the woman through the neighbor, and then to the neighbor for transmitting that blessing through his actions (albeit unwittingly).
User avatar
#535 - testaburger (09/26/2015) [-]
Some guy did something out of the goodness of his heart, and you give god the credit.
That's taking credit.

You know what I think? I think the Invisible Pink Unicorn helped him be nice, not your god.
User avatar
#337 - rakogoki (09/25/2015) [-]
my point is essentially the problem of evil. if god has the power to end all suffering in the world, why is there still suffering? you told me its because we will feel entitled and that apparently hurts god's feelings enough to where he refuses to end all suffering.
typo
#335 - rakogoki has deleted their comment.
User avatar
#339 - jokeface (09/25/2015) [-]
>you told me its because we will feel entitled if god that apparently hurts god's feelings enough to where he refuses to end all suffering.

First of all I think you accidentally your sentence. Second of all no, I explicitly said it does NOT "hurt God's feelings". Look, suffering is necessary in this life, because without suffering, then Earth would be like heaven, and Earth cannot be like heaven. Heaven is already heaven, and we need to overcome the pain and struggles in this life in order to receive paradise in the next life. It's about growth. Also, we need to learn to love. If God just made everything perfect then why would we love Him, or love each other? We would just come to expect that perfection was the default, and we'd become apathetic.
User avatar
#342 - rakogoki (09/25/2015) [-]
why cant earth be like heaven, or perhaps just remove this extra step altogether? if heaven exists then earth is a redundant doormat that opens the possibility of people growing wicked due to the circumstances they are put through according to this system.
whats stopping god from making us perfect, pre packed with "growth", "love", and whatever experiencing the hardships of life would give us and skip all the unnecessary crap? ya doesnt sound as poetic, but the end result would be literally the same and no suffering.
User avatar
#344 - jokeface (09/25/2015) [-]
Alright I still have a little bit of time.

When God first created the Garden of Eden, it actually was a paradise (I don't think the Bible says the whole Earth was, but I have to imagine it was because it wasn't until they sinned that God "cursed the Earth"). When Adam and Eve disobeyed God, they introduced sin/evil into the world, and then the entire landscape of the world was changed:

And to Adam he said,

“Because you have listened to the voice of your wife
and have eaten of the tree
of which I commanded you,
‘You shall not eat of it,’
cursed is the ground because of you;
in pain you shall eat of it all the days of your life;
thorns and thistles it shall bring forth for you;
and you shall eat the plants of the field.
By the sweat of your face
you shall eat bread,
till you return to the ground,
for out of it you were taken;
for you are dust,
and to dust you shall return.”


So this basically covers why we have to work for shit rather than having everything in life handed to us the instant we want it. And suffering is basically an extension of this, because the reason for things like violence and prejudice and rape and all that is because people aren't satisfied with life as it is. Nobody wants to have to put effort into anything. We all want instant gratification and the freedom to do whatever we want without consequences, but because of Adam and Eve abusing their free will, that's no longer an option.
User avatar
#420 - rakogoki (09/26/2015) [-]
so... god designed a system knowing it would fail, watches it fail, then blames us for not using our "free will" exactly how he wanted and that is why he allows things like theft, murder, rape, etc to go on unhindered?
youre telling me god is either not all powerful, evil, or a moron.
User avatar
#421 - jokeface (09/26/2015) [-]
He's none of those things. He just does things we don't understand. But that doesn't mean there isn't reason for them.
User avatar
#422 - rakogoki (09/26/2015) [-]
and of course "god works in mysterious ways". whatever the mysterious things god is doing that we cannot understand, we still see all these awful things happening in the world that could be stopped with no effort on his part. what could possibly justify things like rape and genocide?
User avatar
#423 - jokeface (09/26/2015) [-]
Well, we deserve it, for one thing. We actually deserve a lot worse. Which is why hell exists.
User avatar
#537 - testaburger (09/26/2015) [-]
Another reason why religion needs to be wiped out.
It breeds this self-hatred that's utterly undeserved.
User avatar
#424 - rakogoki (09/26/2015) [-]
god could forgive us for our horrible crime of just being born cant he? being all powerful god can do anything, including unconditionally loving us, but apparently god's love is very conditional instead.
User avatar
#425 - jokeface (09/26/2015) [-]
His love is unconditional, but admission to heaven is not. He doesn't want his perfectly clean white carpet to be tainted by our muddy shoes. But it's all good, because Jesus came to Earth to wash the mud off our shoes for us. All we have to do is thank Him for it. Hardly seems like much of a hurdle if you ask me.
User avatar
#427 - rakogoki (09/26/2015) [-]
god's love is unconditional, except when its not. got it.
why have earth at all then? it gives people the possibility of not going to heaven. why would god even allow that possibility in the first place? hes basically created a world where people are born just so they can go to hell.
User avatar
#428 - jokeface (09/26/2015) [-]
You're asking why God created the world? That's a question Christians can't even answer.
#270 - Well I look at it this way. Yes, it's sort of the second optio…  [+] (4 new replies) 09/25/2015 on shut up 0
#410 - nerdking (09/26/2015) [-]
I get what you're saying, and this is my response, however flawed it may be. I'm not trying to bash, but I do disagree with you here.

If, as you expressed it, God is a puppet master orchestrating his show from behind the curtain, than doesn't that make us his puppets? And, aren't all puppets bound to obey the will and ministrations of the master?

User avatar
#414 - jokeface (09/26/2015) [-]
Well that's taking the analogy a little further than I intended it. I just meant to point to the dependence our lives and actions have on God. But as long as we're talking about free will, I'll refer you to one of my favorite websites, which I actually cited to someone else in another part of this thread: www.gotquestions.org/free-will.html
#514 - nerdking (09/26/2015) [-]
I'll check it out, nice chatting with you. Most people on the internet just explode into a vehement ball of wrath.
User avatar
#515 - jokeface (09/26/2015) [-]
I don't feel the need to invest emotional energy into my online discussions. If someone disagrees with me, that's their right. I just believe in being informative. No use trying to force an ideology down someone's throat. That only leads to hostility and resentment.
#268 - Well first off, a tree can be a good analogy but not in the wa…  [+] (1 new reply) 09/25/2015 on shut up +1
User avatar
#436 - robinwilliamson (09/26/2015) [-]
Classic jokeface
#259 - Picture 09/25/2015 on shut up 0
#84 - So you're saying God is like the initial drug, being a gateway…  [+] (3 new replies) 09/25/2015 on shut up +2
User avatar
#120 - robinwilliamson (09/25/2015) [-]
I'm saying that once you buy the initial assumptions, you're logically open to attributing whatever you want to that because there's no more boundaries after that. I dunno, like a tree-like model, all kinds of different things relying on this thing. Is that stable? Like if you bump the trunk of that tree, some leaves could fall off pretty easy it seems.
User avatar
#268 - jokeface (09/25/2015) [-]
Well first off, a tree can be a good analogy but not in the way you're using it. Our faith is indeed like a tree, and has even been compared to one multiple times in the Bible. Actually the Bible uses a more vague descriptor such as "plant" or something, depending on which translation you read, but the idea is the same. But as for the leaves falling off, that's not really relevant.

Secondly, yes, I see what you're saying now, but I don't understand why that would deter anyone from wanting to believe in it. It seems to me that having faith in something that provides hope and meaning is a hell of a lot more appealing than clinging to the idea that we're alone and have to fend for ourselves. I mean it's one thing to be concerned about the people who ONLY trust God and refuse to use doctors and medicine because they don't realize God is working through them. Then I can see why people see us as crazy. But as long as you understand that faith and science don't have to clash, and that you can accept both to be true, then there's really no harm in having that faith.
User avatar
#436 - robinwilliamson (09/26/2015) [-]
Classic jokeface
#67 - There's a song called "With Every Act of Love" by Ja…  [+] (7 new replies) 09/25/2015 on shut up 0
User avatar
#191 - testaburger (09/25/2015) [-]
Free will just washes down the drain
User avatar
#83 - robinwilliamson (09/25/2015) [-]
What I mean is it sounds like a perfected gateway drug in that it's like "If you take this one thing, you'll take anything somebody hands you after that, and if anyone asks, remember it's all because you took that first one"
User avatar
#84 - jokeface (09/25/2015) [-]
So you're saying God is like the initial drug, being a gateway to all other good things?
User avatar
#120 - robinwilliamson (09/25/2015) [-]
I'm saying that once you buy the initial assumptions, you're logically open to attributing whatever you want to that because there's no more boundaries after that. I dunno, like a tree-like model, all kinds of different things relying on this thing. Is that stable? Like if you bump the trunk of that tree, some leaves could fall off pretty easy it seems.
User avatar
#268 - jokeface (09/25/2015) [-]
Well first off, a tree can be a good analogy but not in the way you're using it. Our faith is indeed like a tree, and has even been compared to one multiple times in the Bible. Actually the Bible uses a more vague descriptor such as "plant" or something, depending on which translation you read, but the idea is the same. But as for the leaves falling off, that's not really relevant.

Secondly, yes, I see what you're saying now, but I don't understand why that would deter anyone from wanting to believe in it. It seems to me that having faith in something that provides hope and meaning is a hell of a lot more appealing than clinging to the idea that we're alone and have to fend for ourselves. I mean it's one thing to be concerned about the people who ONLY trust God and refuse to use doctors and medicine because they don't realize God is working through them. Then I can see why people see us as crazy. But as long as you understand that faith and science don't have to clash, and that you can accept both to be true, then there's really no harm in having that faith.
User avatar
#436 - robinwilliamson (09/26/2015) [-]
Classic jokeface
#56 - Well obviously it wouldn't be accepted by nonbelievers. But wi…  [+] (9 new replies) 09/25/2015 on shut up +1
User avatar
#61 - robinwilliamson (09/25/2015) [-]
Sounds like a gateway drug.
User avatar
#67 - jokeface (09/25/2015) [-]
There's a song called "With Every Act of Love" by Jason Gray, and it's all about how we, both believers and nonbelievers alike, are basically agents of God's love, and whenever we do good in the world, it's because He is using us as vessels to carry the Holy Spirit.
User avatar
#191 - testaburger (09/25/2015) [-]
Free will just washes down the drain
User avatar
#83 - robinwilliamson (09/25/2015) [-]
What I mean is it sounds like a perfected gateway drug in that it's like "If you take this one thing, you'll take anything somebody hands you after that, and if anyone asks, remember it's all because you took that first one"
User avatar
#84 - jokeface (09/25/2015) [-]
So you're saying God is like the initial drug, being a gateway to all other good things?
User avatar
#120 - robinwilliamson (09/25/2015) [-]
I'm saying that once you buy the initial assumptions, you're logically open to attributing whatever you want to that because there's no more boundaries after that. I dunno, like a tree-like model, all kinds of different things relying on this thing. Is that stable? Like if you bump the trunk of that tree, some leaves could fall off pretty easy it seems.
User avatar
#268 - jokeface (09/25/2015) [-]
Well first off, a tree can be a good analogy but not in the way you're using it. Our faith is indeed like a tree, and has even been compared to one multiple times in the Bible. Actually the Bible uses a more vague descriptor such as "plant" or something, depending on which translation you read, but the idea is the same. But as for the leaves falling off, that's not really relevant.

Secondly, yes, I see what you're saying now, but I don't understand why that would deter anyone from wanting to believe in it. It seems to me that having faith in something that provides hope and meaning is a hell of a lot more appealing than clinging to the idea that we're alone and have to fend for ourselves. I mean it's one thing to be concerned about the people who ONLY trust God and refuse to use doctors and medicine because they don't realize God is working through them. Then I can see why people see us as crazy. But as long as you understand that faith and science don't have to clash, and that you can accept both to be true, then there's really no harm in having that faith.
User avatar
#436 - robinwilliamson (09/26/2015) [-]
Classic jokeface
#48 - I'm grateful for scientists and doctors as well. I'm just sayi… 09/25/2015 on shut up +1
#38 - ******* FAMILY GUY covered this ****. Medical science IS God's…  [+] (82 new replies) 09/25/2015 on shut up +1
User avatar
#319 - popeflatus (09/25/2015) [-]
Can you prove that?
User avatar
#326 - jokeface (09/25/2015) [-]
Come on, son. You've been on the internet too long to open that can of worms with a Christian.
User avatar
#327 - popeflatus (09/25/2015) [-]
Don't make claims that your ass can't cash pal.
User avatar
#329 - jokeface (09/25/2015) [-]
The cashing will come later, when we die.
User avatar
#330 - popeflatus (09/25/2015) [-]
Life, the Universe and Nothing: Has science buried God? Talk is cheap. Any one can say things like that but considering that there is not only zero evidence for your god, the counter evidence that science has discovered has buried god. This video is definitely wroth watching as professor Lawrence Krauss simply annihilates a Christian apologist.
User avatar
#334 - jokeface (09/25/2015) [-]
Listening to the video in the next tab as I type this.

I'll grant that there's no solid proof of God (and nor should there be if you understand how faith works). But I disagree that God has, or can, be "buried". The most logically appropriate philosophy, in regards to whether or not God exists, is agnosticism. It's fair to say Christians are irrational in our faith, but I say you are equally irrational in your denial. Yes, science has discovered a lot, but nothing science has found gives me any reason to doubt God's existence.
User avatar
#338 - popeflatus (09/25/2015) [-]
Faith is just believing in things when there is no evidence. It's not a virtue.

Saying that I'm irrational because i deny your claim of the existence of your god? No, that's rational. It's irrational to accept things as being absolutely true in the complete absence of evidence. That is almost as irrational a belief can be.

Do you believe in Adam and Eve? Well science has buried that story.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_evolution

Noah's ark is a complete myth.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noah's_Ark#Historicity

And the stories of Jesus were written decades after his alleged life. They are also written by unknown authors contrary to popular belief, vary significantly and have zero corroborating evidence to back them up.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus

The bible is full of claims about talking donkeys, witches, magic, miracles and monsters all of which science has blasted into smithereens.

Not only is there no evidence for any of the claims made by the bible but the evidence of reality shows it to be just another work of fiction like the 100 that existed for thousands of years before the Israelites even existed.
User avatar
#340 - jokeface (09/25/2015) [-]
I have shit to do but I'll come back to this later.
User avatar
#341 - popeflatus (09/25/2015) [-]
Okely dokely.
User avatar
#349 - jokeface (09/25/2015) [-]
It would take me a long time to gather my rebuttals to all of these, but fortunately someone has already done it for me. Here's a link to a trailer for a video course in which they address all the archaeological evidence supporting the Bible. I watched this course as well as a few others in my Sunday school class when I was in college, and it was pretty riveting. Sadly I can't show you the full video because it's only available if you buy it, but maybe you could find it somewhere online.

www.thetruthproject.org/about/culturefocus/TrueU-Promo-Teaser-Is-the-Bible-Reliable.aspx
User avatar
#351 - popeflatus (09/25/2015) [-]
Again, talk is cheap. Documentaries don't mean anything when it comes to science. These people have to prove their claims and if you start by visiting those links I gave you you'll see why there is no reason to believe in the bible at all.

Can I ask if you believe in Adam and Eve?
User avatar
#358 - jokeface (09/25/2015) [-]
Meh, sort of. I'm of a two-pronged belief when it comes to Genesis. I think maybe it's meant to be taken literally, but maybe it's metaphorical. I don't even strictly identify as either YEC or OEC. Because I don't think it matters. When it comes to Genesis, I believe that the message is more important than the way the narrative is interpreted. I believe in God, I believe that He created the world, I believe that mankind turned away from Him and ended up paying a hefty price for it. But really most of my spiritual focus lies in the New Testament, and I believe that's all literal and straightforward (aside from what Jesus specified to be parables, and of course the Book of Revelation, which is almost certainly metaphorical).

But to give you a more concise and specific answer, I would say I'm open to Adam and Eve having existed. Given what we know about Satan and his powers of deception, as well as that verse I posted in the other part of this thread, I think that it's very possible for the entire geology of the planet to change in an instant, and as such I don't think archaeology is necessarily a reliable science. For example, I think it's entirely possible that Satan, in an attempt to turn man away from God, planted in the world false evidence of human evolution. Am I sure about this? No, it's just one idea I'm open to. I have others, but basically it all comes back to the core belief that there is a God, He created us, and we fell away from Him.
#360 - popeflatus (09/25/2015) [-]
OK. You need to stop.

Just 'thinking' that archaeology is not a valid science means nothing. You don't get to pick and chose which parts of science you accept and which you don't just to accommodate a religious belief.

If you disagree with anything in science you have to prove it. If you have no proof your claim is dismissed.

You can't just say that you 'know' things about Satan when he's nothing more than a character in an old book with zero evidence of his existence. People like you are the laughing stock of the scientific community because you don't understand how reason and the scientific method work at all.

Did you know that Noah's Ark is just a retelling of a Sumerian story called the 'Epic of Gilgamesh'? This story has been around for at least 500 years before the first Israelites existed. Even YHWH was originally a minor Canaanite deity that the Israelites took and made into their god.

Even the Exodus is a fictitious story that is based on several pre-existing stories.

The bible has a fucking talking donkey in it and you think it's rational?

Pic related:it's a talking donkey.
User avatar
#361 - jokeface (09/25/2015) [-]
I'm just answer your questions, man. Never said you had to agree with me.

But yea I actually do have to go for real now. Got a job interview. Wish me luck!
User avatar
#362 - popeflatus (09/25/2015) [-]
Good luck. Don't let Satan trick you into telling your boss how much you love Jesus! ;)
User avatar
#359 - jokeface (09/25/2015) [-]
Sorry that second part wasn't as pithy as I had intended it to be.
User avatar
#274 - rakogoki (09/25/2015) [-]
honestly, so what if we took god for granted?
is god's ego really to big for him to save people from suffering?
User avatar
#278 - jokeface (09/25/2015) [-]
It's no skin off His nose, but it's bad for us. Bad for our spiritual health. It gives us a sense of entitlement, as if God owes us His kindness when in reality He's being extremely charitable.
User avatar
#280 - rakogoki (09/25/2015) [-]
again, so what?
is god getting his "proper" worship from us more important than our well being?
User avatar
#328 - jokeface (09/25/2015) [-]
Idk how else to answer your question other than what I just said. No, He doesn't need anything from us. But we need Him. And our well-being in this life is only temporary. The most important thing is that we connect with Him, so that we can go to heaven. That takes precedence.
User avatar
#417 - lordofhell (09/26/2015) [-]
You don't need him people just need to stop being asshats.
User avatar
#418 - jokeface (09/26/2015) [-]
There's something in Christianity called the Fruit of the Holy Spirit, and it encompasses nine qualities of a good person: Peace, Joy, Love, Kindness, Gentleness, Faithfulness, Goodness, Patience, and Forbearance. These are all exclusively God-based things. If you don't have God in your heart, then it's impossible to have any of those qualities. And by having those qualities, you're showing that God is working in your heart whether you believe in Him or not. So even an atheist is empowered by God whenever they do something good, kind, loving, etc.
User avatar
#528 - testaburger (09/26/2015) [-]
Bullshit.

Morals existed before your religion, and they'll exist after your religion dies out.
User avatar
#532 - jokeface (09/26/2015) [-]
You're pretty much consciously ignoring what I'm saying at this point. What do I need to say to get this through your skull? God and religion are not the same thing. God existed eternally before human's created a system of worshiping Him, and He exists in your mind and your heart regardless of whether or not you believe in Him. You're right, you don't need religion to be moral. I agree with you there. But your morals come from God putting them there when He created you. I don't care if you don't believe that, I'm not trying to get you to believe that. I'm just trying to get you to understand what we believe.
User avatar
#533 - testaburger (09/26/2015) [-]
"But your morals come from God putting them there when He created you"
1. How do you know?
2. My parents created me, not god.
#499 - lordofhell (09/26/2015) [-]
**lordofhell used "*roll picture*"**
**lordofhell rolled image**Except those concept were around before Christianity someone doesn't need to be devoted to God to experience them.
User avatar
#516 - jokeface (09/26/2015) [-]
I didn't say Christianity invented those concepts, nor did I say you need to be devoted to God to experience them. I'm saying that even if you're not a believer, God is still the source of those things regardless.

There's a story I heard by a famous pastor named Time Keller. I forget if this happened to someone he knew personally or if he just heard it from somewhere, but it was a woman who was in a financial crisis and couldn't even afford to put food on her table, and so she prayed that God would help her, and her neighbor, who was an atheist, finally got fed up with her praying to an imaginary sky wizard to save her, and bought her some groceries. And he said, "See? God didn't help you. Angels didn't help you. I helped you, because I actually exist." And the woman told him, "Thank you, I'm grateful, but God did help me, by using you as a channel of His love."
User avatar
#530 - testaburger (09/26/2015) [-]
And once again you people take credit for other people's work.
User avatar
#534 - jokeface (09/26/2015) [-]
How are we taking credit? The credit goes to God and to the neighbor. First to God for blessing the woman through the neighbor, and then to the neighbor for transmitting that blessing through his actions (albeit unwittingly).
User avatar
#535 - testaburger (09/26/2015) [-]
Some guy did something out of the goodness of his heart, and you give god the credit.
That's taking credit.

You know what I think? I think the Invisible Pink Unicorn helped him be nice, not your god.
User avatar
#337 - rakogoki (09/25/2015) [-]
my point is essentially the problem of evil. if god has the power to end all suffering in the world, why is there still suffering? you told me its because we will feel entitled and that apparently hurts god's feelings enough to where he refuses to end all suffering.
typo
#335 - rakogoki has deleted their comment.
User avatar
#339 - jokeface (09/25/2015) [-]
>you told me its because we will feel entitled if god that apparently hurts god's feelings enough to where he refuses to end all suffering.

First of all I think you accidentally your sentence. Second of all no, I explicitly said it does NOT "hurt God's feelings". Look, suffering is necessary in this life, because without suffering, then Earth would be like heaven, and Earth cannot be like heaven. Heaven is already heaven, and we need to overcome the pain and struggles in this life in order to receive paradise in the next life. It's about growth. Also, we need to learn to love. If God just made everything perfect then why would we love Him, or love each other? We would just come to expect that perfection was the default, and we'd become apathetic.
User avatar
#342 - rakogoki (09/25/2015) [-]
why cant earth be like heaven, or perhaps just remove this extra step altogether? if heaven exists then earth is a redundant doormat that opens the possibility of people growing wicked due to the circumstances they are put through according to this system.
whats stopping god from making us perfect, pre packed with "growth", "love", and whatever experiencing the hardships of life would give us and skip all the unnecessary crap? ya doesnt sound as poetic, but the end result would be literally the same and no suffering.
User avatar
#344 - jokeface (09/25/2015) [-]
Alright I still have a little bit of time.

When God first created the Garden of Eden, it actually was a paradise (I don't think the Bible says the whole Earth was, but I have to imagine it was because it wasn't until they sinned that God "cursed the Earth"). When Adam and Eve disobeyed God, they introduced sin/evil into the world, and then the entire landscape of the world was changed:

And to Adam he said,

“Because you have listened to the voice of your wife
and have eaten of the tree
of which I commanded you,
‘You shall not eat of it,’
cursed is the ground because of you;
in pain you shall eat of it all the days of your life;
thorns and thistles it shall bring forth for you;
and you shall eat the plants of the field.
By the sweat of your face
you shall eat bread,
till you return to the ground,
for out of it you were taken;
for you are dust,
and to dust you shall return.”


So this basically covers why we have to work for shit rather than having everything in life handed to us the instant we want it. And suffering is basically an extension of this, because the reason for things like violence and prejudice and rape and all that is because people aren't satisfied with life as it is. Nobody wants to have to put effort into anything. We all want instant gratification and the freedom to do whatever we want without consequences, but because of Adam and Eve abusing their free will, that's no longer an option.
User avatar
#420 - rakogoki (09/26/2015) [-]
so... god designed a system knowing it would fail, watches it fail, then blames us for not using our "free will" exactly how he wanted and that is why he allows things like theft, murder, rape, etc to go on unhindered?
youre telling me god is either not all powerful, evil, or a moron.
User avatar
#421 - jokeface (09/26/2015) [-]
He's none of those things. He just does things we don't understand. But that doesn't mean there isn't reason for them.
User avatar
#422 - rakogoki (09/26/2015) [-]
and of course "god works in mysterious ways". whatever the mysterious things god is doing that we cannot understand, we still see all these awful things happening in the world that could be stopped with no effort on his part. what could possibly justify things like rape and genocide?
User avatar
#423 - jokeface (09/26/2015) [-]
Well, we deserve it, for one thing. We actually deserve a lot worse. Which is why hell exists.
User avatar
#537 - testaburger (09/26/2015) [-]
Another reason why religion needs to be wiped out.
It breeds this self-hatred that's utterly undeserved.
User avatar
#424 - rakogoki (09/26/2015) [-]
god could forgive us for our horrible crime of just being born cant he? being all powerful god can do anything, including unconditionally loving us, but apparently god's love is very conditional instead.
User avatar
#425 - jokeface (09/26/2015) [-]
His love is unconditional, but admission to heaven is not. He doesn't want his perfectly clean white carpet to be tainted by our muddy shoes. But it's all good, because Jesus came to Earth to wash the mud off our shoes for us. All we have to do is thank Him for it. Hardly seems like much of a hurdle if you ask me.
User avatar
#427 - rakogoki (09/26/2015) [-]
god's love is unconditional, except when its not. got it.
why have earth at all then? it gives people the possibility of not going to heaven. why would god even allow that possibility in the first place? hes basically created a world where people are born just so they can go to hell.
User avatar
#428 - jokeface (09/26/2015) [-]
You're asking why God created the world? That's a question Christians can't even answer.
#190 - testaburger (09/25/2015) [-]
How convenient.
"I'll help you in a way that really looks like you're just doing it yourself"
User avatar
#333 - jokeface (09/25/2015) [-]
www.westernjournalism.com/she-was-found-unresponsive-in-a-pool-doctors-only-have-5-words-for-what-happened-next/

“For her brain to come through this and be as functional as possible is astounding,” said Dr. Jeremy Garrett. “Prayer and luck and divine intervention were the key factors.”

There is no medical reason why Alise is alive and well today, the doctors added.


Yea such independence. The doctors really took the wheel on that one.
User avatar
#371 - testaburger (09/25/2015) [-]
"This is amazing, ergo God"

In all proper studies done on prayer, it was shown to be as effective as chance. (That is, not at all)
User avatar
#389 - jokeface (09/25/2015) [-]
You can't do a "proper study" of the supernatural.
User avatar
#391 - testaburger (09/25/2015) [-]
Praying isn't supernatural.
The supposed effect of prayer isn't supernatural.

The two have been shown to have no correlation.
User avatar
#415 - jokeface (09/26/2015) [-]
You know what I mean. How could any human "study" the effects of prayer? Obviously there's no physical connection between prayer and results. But if humans pray, and God answers them by performing some sort of miracle, it would still look as though there's no connection, because science can't observe whether or not God hears prayers, or whether or not He sends down a miracle. So even if believers are right, and prayer does work, there's no means for science to confirm that. So I'm very curious as to how these studies you're talking about were performed. Did they just sit the people in a room and tell them to pray, and then scan the room with one of those ghost detection devices to see if there was some kind of radioactive signal that beamed up to the heavens? What did they do?
User avatar
#439 - testaburger (09/26/2015) [-]
They had a bunch of sick people.
Then they divided those up into 4 groups.
(Mind you, I might have forgotten some details, but this is the gist of it)
They got a bunch of christians to pray for these sick people.

1 group was prayed for and told that they were.
1 group was prayed for and was not told that they were
1 group was not prayed for but was told that they were
1 group was not prayed for and was not told that they were.

The people who were prayed for showed no significant decrease in recovery time, nor anything else that could be considered a benefit.
Shit didn't work, yo

Other studies have been made, and the result has always been the same. No evidence that praying for something increases the likelihood of it actually happening.
User avatar
#517 - jokeface (09/26/2015) [-]
So all the patients died?
User avatar
#519 - testaburger (09/26/2015) [-]
No, but the ones prayed for didn't have any benefits compared to the ones that weren't.
In other words, the prayer had no effect on their recovery.
User avatar
#520 - jokeface (09/26/2015) [-]
I still don't believe that's a valid test. Perhaps the patients would have all died, but because some of them were prayed for, God saved all of them, because He has a history of blessing us with more than we need.
User avatar
#524 - testaburger (09/26/2015) [-]
They weren't suffering life-threatening diseases.
None of them would have died.

But even if they would've, God just fucked it up. He could easily have healed all of them, but healed the ones prayed for faster. This way, there'd be evidence that prayer actually works, and more people would become christian, and stay away from "sinning".
Everyone would benefit from that scenario.
User avatar
#525 - jokeface (09/26/2015) [-]
Not really. Because then it would no longer be based on faith. And without it being based on faith, then humans wouldn't be able to go to heaven when they died.
User avatar
#527 - testaburger (09/26/2015) [-]
Faith is quite literally retarding your own mind.
It's forcing yourself to accept something that there's literally no reason to accept


It truly boggles my mind how you people can seriously claim that blindly believing something for absolutely no good reason is a good thing.
User avatar
#526 - testaburger (09/26/2015) [-]
Faith is a retarded system.

You've got this brain. This brain allows you to reason, to think critically. Logic, reasoning and critical thinking has consistently shown itself to be the absolute best way of learning about the real world. It works with everything, and it works well.
But god? Nah man, you take that brain with its awesome abilities, and you throw it into the shitter. Then you turn off your reasoning, bury your head in the mud and start accepting things blindly.

butwaittheresmore.gif.
This brain, these awesome reasoning abilities? Yeah, god gave them to you, and now he wants you to stop using them, because of what? Reasons? Fuck that shit.
This is "god plants fossils in the earth to try and trick you" stupid.

It doesn't make sense, and you know it.
User avatar
#529 - jokeface (09/26/2015) [-]
A. God didn't just give us the ability to reason and use critical thinking. We pretty much stole that ability when Adam and Eve sinned. Initially we weren't allowed to have it. So it's not God's fault that we allowed Satan to deceive us.

B. I didn't say God planted the fossils, I said I believe it's possible that Satan did. Why would God do that? He's not the one trying to trick us. He's on our side.
User avatar
#531 - testaburger (09/26/2015) [-]
Oh, right, the bad guy gave us the ability to think for ourselves.
Such a terrible thing.

God is sure as hell not on our side if he plays tricks on scientists trying to prove his existence.
A proven god would be a useful god.
All these people who don't believe because there's no good reason to? Straight to hell.
God not fucking around with tests could stop that. But noooo, it has to be blind faith or it doesn't work.

The mental gymnastics you people do are fucking amazing.
User avatar
#536 - jokeface (09/26/2015) [-]
I already said without faith our love for God means nothing. It has to be a choice. If God allowed Himself to be proven real, then everyone would start worshiping Him just because they felt like they had to. And then it's not a loving worship. And without love, there is only condemnation. By giving people a choice to believe, God is giving people a chance to be saved.

Yes, a proven God might be useful in this life, but this life hardly matters. It's only temporary. Our concern should be focused on what will happen to us when we die, because that shit's forever, so it takes infinitely more precedence.
#539 - testaburger (09/26/2015) [-]
You know, I try very hard to be forgiving and understanding, but people like you are simply a lost cause.

If I had the power, I would eradicate all of your kind immediately. You poison the world, you poison our species, and you hold back progress.
You are a species-traitor, and you deserve to have your tongue cut out, and your dick torn to pieces.

May you never procreate.
May your testicles grow cancerous.
May your religion get a swift end so we can move on.


Fucking hell.
#538 - testaburger (09/26/2015) [-]
The fundamentalism is making me sick.
Please, for the love of all things good, never ever have children
#92 - nerdking (09/25/2015) [-]
I'm not a religious guy, but that sounds about right. The only real issue is that it would also be a bit more in line with a bit of a different kind of God that's a tad bit contrary to how He's normally portrayed. It would be a bit more of a "help them help themselves" sort of God, which is normally not how the Bible seems to tell it.
User avatar
#270 - jokeface (09/25/2015) [-]
Well I look at it this way. Yes, it's sort of the second option, but bear in mind, we literally wouldn't exist without God. Nothing would. So while it seems like portraying Him as a silent orchestrator somehow removes Him from His conventional status, really what we should remember is that the puppets don't work without the puppetmaster. And at the end of the show, to whom does the check get made out?
#410 - nerdking (09/26/2015) [-]
I get what you're saying, and this is my response, however flawed it may be. I'm not trying to bash, but I do disagree with you here.

If, as you expressed it, God is a puppet master orchestrating his show from behind the curtain, than doesn't that make us his puppets? And, aren't all puppets bound to obey the will and ministrations of the master?

User avatar
#414 - jokeface (09/26/2015) [-]
Well that's taking the analogy a little further than I intended it. I just meant to point to the dependence our lives and actions have on God. But as long as we're talking about free will, I'll refer you to one of my favorite websites, which I actually cited to someone else in another part of this thread: www.gotquestions.org/free-will.html
#514 - nerdking (09/26/2015) [-]
I'll check it out, nice chatting with you. Most people on the internet just explode into a vehement ball of wrath.
User avatar
#515 - jokeface (09/26/2015) [-]
I don't feel the need to invest emotional energy into my online discussions. If someone disagrees with me, that's their right. I just believe in being informative. No use trying to force an ideology down someone's throat. That only leads to hostility and resentment.
User avatar
#54 - robinwilliamson (09/25/2015) [-]
Where could that idea possibly even remotely be sourced?
User avatar
#56 - jokeface (09/25/2015) [-]
Well obviously it wouldn't be accepted by nonbelievers. But within the context of our faith, it's just logical. God is the provider of everything good. So all the things that are beneficial, comforting, or otherwise positive in our lives, we owe Him our gratitude for them. Humans do their part by delivering these blessings to the world, but ultimately, they come from God.
User avatar
#61 - robinwilliamson (09/25/2015) [-]
Sounds like a gateway drug.
User avatar
#67 - jokeface (09/25/2015) [-]
There's a song called "With Every Act of Love" by Jason Gray, and it's all about how we, both believers and nonbelievers alike, are basically agents of God's love, and whenever we do good in the world, it's because He is using us as vessels to carry the Holy Spirit.
User avatar
#191 - testaburger (09/25/2015) [-]
Free will just washes down the drain
User avatar
#83 - robinwilliamson (09/25/2015) [-]
What I mean is it sounds like a perfected gateway drug in that it's like "If you take this one thing, you'll take anything somebody hands you after that, and if anyone asks, remember it's all because you took that first one"
User avatar
#84 - jokeface (09/25/2015) [-]
So you're saying God is like the initial drug, being a gateway to all other good things?
User avatar
#120 - robinwilliamson (09/25/2015) [-]
I'm saying that once you buy the initial assumptions, you're logically open to attributing whatever you want to that because there's no more boundaries after that. I dunno, like a tree-like model, all kinds of different things relying on this thing. Is that stable? Like if you bump the trunk of that tree, some leaves could fall off pretty easy it seems.
User avatar
#268 - jokeface (09/25/2015) [-]
Well first off, a tree can be a good analogy but not in the way you're using it. Our faith is indeed like a tree, and has even been compared to one multiple times in the Bible. Actually the Bible uses a more vague descriptor such as "plant" or something, depending on which translation you read, but the idea is the same. But as for the leaves falling off, that's not really relevant.

Secondly, yes, I see what you're saying now, but I don't understand why that would deter anyone from wanting to believe in it. It seems to me that having faith in something that provides hope and meaning is a hell of a lot more appealing than clinging to the idea that we're alone and have to fend for ourselves. I mean it's one thing to be concerned about the people who ONLY trust God and refuse to use doctors and medicine because they don't realize God is working through them. Then I can see why people see us as crazy. But as long as you understand that faith and science don't have to clash, and that you can accept both to be true, then there's really no harm in having that faith.
User avatar
#436 - robinwilliamson (09/26/2015) [-]
Classic jokeface
User avatar
#47 - yologdogtwo (09/25/2015) [-]
I cannot disprove your faith.

But I know that God is not the only one you should thank for your medicine.

User avatar
#48 - jokeface (09/25/2015) [-]
I'm grateful for scientists and doctors as well. I'm just saying God has a role in it too.