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#111 - Okay. First of all, not all women wants to join the military, …  [+] (40 replies) 05/03/2016 on Someone I went to... +13
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#190 - miknab (05/03/2016) [-]
I had to sign up for the draft when I was 18. If women want equality, they should have to as well...or remove that option altogether.
#193 - jeej (05/03/2016) [-]
But that's exactly what I'm saying, hence why I wrote human brings. Is everyone reading my comment just missing that part?
#187 - vegasstoner (05/03/2016) [-]
so then take the draft away from men.
#145 - endospore (05/03/2016) [-]
We shouldn't be talking about adding women to the draft. We should be talking about abolishing the draft.
#149 - mondprinzessin (05/03/2016) [-]
So when China, or whoever, declares war with us you can sit at home and watch the few volunteers fight a communist country that can force every single citizen to fight us?
#185 - anon (05/03/2016) [-]
Pretty sure Beijing would be turned to glass by ICBMs before any conventional warfare could begin.
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#176 - alarubra (05/03/2016) [-]
If China suddenly decided to not be friendly with us, we'd be fucked, considering they fund most of our government operations on the world stage by buying our national debt. Still, if it came to war between us, the US arsenal is superior, and we have more allies I would trust to back us. I doubt that conflict would be decided by the sheer number of boots on the ground. Honestly, with the size of our current military and arsenal, it would take either some completely unprecedented new weapon, (like the nuke in WW2), multiple countries who are currently our allies banding together against us, or serious internal sabotage for us to have any chance of losing an invasion.
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#192 - mondprinzessin (05/03/2016) [-]
I have no doubt that we would win, but I don't think we would be able to destroy a country with 1.3 billion people without taking some damage.
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#195 - alarubra (05/03/2016) [-]
Of course not, but the question isn't "Would there be a damaging war?"; it's "Would more foot soldiers end the war quicker?" To which, I believe the answer is no. Also, >>#151 seemed to imply you didn't believe we'd win without opening the draft.
#150 - endospore (05/03/2016) [-]
Yeah, that's sort of exactly the kind of freedom America was founded on. It's not 'Land of the free until something scary happens.'
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#151 - mondprinzessin (05/03/2016) [-]
Well it's either you fight for the country you enjoy oh so much, or face the reality of defeat and losing your freedom completely.
#242 - nightmarexnxnxnxnx (05/03/2016) [-]
To tell the truth you do not owe your country anything, and especially not your life. Every single citizen has to pay for every single of their expenses, no exception.

Military is a profession, and army should only be comprised of people who CHOSE to serve, fully knowing the risks associated with their choice.

For someone like me who hates the guts of the government in charge of my country, military draft is a fucking joke. Exactly what does the country actually do for me that I do not compensate for with taxes and other payments?

Financial security in case I lose my job? Well golly fucking gee, I give up money towards this little thing demanded by state called social insurance every month. Medical services? Law required medical insurance. State services such as army, police, fire fighters and so on? That shit is the reason I pay taxes for! My home and land? Personal possessions. Electricity? I am required by law to purchase it from one of the electric power consortium's predetermined by state.

So, again, exactly what does the state actually do for me for free that is worth dying for?
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#251 - whathasbeengiven (05/03/2016) [-]
It has an army that allows for " shit " not to hit the fan. It has a police force that keeps people in check when they deviate from "common-sense" laws, doesn't it? This keeps you safe in your country of residence, I would assume.

If you wouldn't die for your security, which seems like a "free" thing to me, by going into a draft when you were forced to...then you'd probably lose that security & national/state order to some other country which fucks your home country up.
A war, with your home country's army being weak, would at least knock your country's relative order off balance, I think. Your country's need to ration food would emerge. People who are part of the order, of your residential country, would demand that you put in your part to help the whole country survive.

But then again, if another country invaded the one in which you live, your home country probably would neither be governed by a cruel dictator nor would all of the natives of your home country (including you) become slaves and treated like slaves by the victors. Probably. Seeing as how other countries wouldn't allow that (like the United Nations, maybe) to happen.

>>#247 mondprinzessin, I'm curious: what is your point if he's American or not?
#256 - nightmarexnxnxnxnx (05/03/2016) [-]
If the army in my country is weak, THEN maybe, my country is SUPPOSED to fall, and giving up my life is not going to change that, if I am even willing to do THAT.

''A war, with your home country's army being weak, would at least knock your country's relative order off balance, I think. Your country's need to ration food would emerge. People who are part of the order, of your residential country, would demand that you put in your part to help the whole country survive''

I am a tax paying law abiding citizen. I already contribute my part. I frankly do not care if my country survives. If it doesn't, I will just move away. Unlike those shitskins from middle east, I am relatively hardworking and upstanding person with no dangerous religious beliefs.

''But then again, if another country invaded the one in which you live, your home country probably would neither be governed by a cruel dictator nor would all of the natives of your home country (including you) become slaves and treated like slaves by the victors. Probably. Seeing as how other countries wouldn't allow that (like the United Nations, maybe) to happen.''

Again, if there was any chance of my country losing, I would bolt on the first sign of it.
I could not care less for my shitty country not its government. All I care is about is my life and the lives of my family. The rest is irrelevant.

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#258 - whathasbeengiven (05/03/2016) [-]
That all seems like a near-sighted move. Running away from your country of residence to another one...at the first sign of it losing.
What if the next country you emigrated to, didn't accept you? What if you couldn't just pack up and bolt out to a safe place so easily?

I did say a weak army, but I meant weak in numbers compared to the country warring with your own. If more people thought like you, in your country, then there would probably be a huge reduction in the number of willing soldiers/militants. Granted, militants get paid, they get fed properly (when not in the battlefeld, under bad conditions), so people might accept military jobs.
I guess what I'm saying is: you're fortunate that not all countries are warring, not your own at least; you're also fortunate that people are sticking their neck out for your country.
If you're doing your part by funding your country then it's all good in my book - you're good...until that funding doesn't matter. Until it's more important that you actually put yourself in the combat zone. And then if you run away, well...you got a family to take care of...but so do other people.
#260 - nightmarexnxnxnxnx (05/03/2016) [-]
They have no reason not to accept me. I have no criminal record, decent knowledge of English and I am physically able to join the work force any time.

''I did say a weak army, but I meant weak in numbers compared to the country warring with your own. If more people thought like you, in your country, then there would probably be a huge reduction in the number of willing soldiers/militants. Granted, militants get paid, they get fed properly (when not in the battlefeld, under bad conditions), so people might accept military jobs.''

Again, I do not care. If the need arises, I will hide until the war is over, regardless of who wins. If they find me anyways, I will desert the first chance I will get. If they catch me and hang me, I fucked up and will have nobody else but me to blame.

''I guess what I'm saying is: you're fortunate that not all countries are warring, not your own at least; you're also fortunate that people are sticking their neck out for your country.''

They chose to do so and they are paid to do so. How is the fact that there are people willing to stick their necks for me any of my concern? I pay for their cushy lives every month from my taxes. I pay them to fight for me if the need arises. Why should I be expected to do the job I am paying them for?

''If you're doing your part by funding your country then it's all good in my book - you're good...until that funding doesn't matter. Until it's more important that you actually put yourself in the combat zone. And then if you run away, well...you got a family to take care of...but so do other people.''

If that happens my country fucked up and it is only reasonable it suffers defeat. Tough breaks. Maybe if they weren't constantly mishandling the state budget on military equipment like it happens in every other corrupt shithole, there would be no need for militia in the first place.




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#261 - whathasbeengiven (05/03/2016) [-]
"How is the fact that there are people willing to stick their necks for me any of my concern?"
On an individual basis, if anyone of them finds that you're not worth being helped then you will not be helped - simple as that. Maybe in one moment you'll have a gun & pair of boots alongside you, fighting to protect you because you've paid your portion to help them. Maybe in the next moment, when your monetary payment is worthless, they'll leave you without their protection. If their protection is a concern to you (you say it isn't) then It seems like it'd be in your best interest to make sure they have a reason to stick their neck out for you.
On a larger basis, let's say government, maybe you'll be fined by your government or something - maybe stripped of certain benefits/privileges as a citizen of the country.
tl, dr:
It is a concern when the person/people willing to stick their neck out for you are (a) actually being useful to you and (b) doing it under a belief of mutual aid.
If none of that applies, then it appropriately won't matter to you.


"I pay for their cushy lives every month from my taxes. I pay them to fight for me if the need arises. Why should I be expected to do the job I am paying them for?"
I've seen your point. You're already paying for them because government says so, fighting alongside them when payment is worthless would be the next government-offered step to aid them. Not like they'll send you a letter demanding you must take part in any other military job, like planning or organizing things, for the temporary war-time.
You're expected by the rest of the citizen's patriotism, the soldier's patriotism, and your government's wishes. They might feel justified to do what they please to you if you didn't comply (especially if you're compliance is crucial).
Yes you're paying them, but the minute the notice you pull away your willingness to help (by refusing a draft), then the people who believed they were in mutual aid with you, might think twice about who's playing by whose/what rules.
Basically: just make sure you know the "rules" (laws)...then, either play by the rules of the ones in charge of your security, or don't.


"Maybe if they weren't constantly mishandling the state budget on military equipment like it happens in every other corrupt shithole, there would be no need for militia in the first place. "
Yeah, and maybe if the government in question had good allies, back-up, with a good army it also wouldn't happen. There's no argument here, just saying.
#263 - nightmarexnxnxnxnx (05/04/2016) [-]
''I've seen your point. You're already paying for them because government says so, fighting alongside them when payment is worthless would be the next government-offered step to aid them. Not like they'll send you a letter demanding you must take part in any other military job, like planning or organizing things, for the temporary war-time.''

Except that the toll is already paid for. I do not see why should I fight along someone whom I have financed in the peace time to fight for me when the need arises. You do not hire bodyguards so you can fight yourself when shit hits the fan, you hire them to protect you when the need for protection rises.

I mean, who do you think finances their weapons, clothing and rations? Citizenry like us. They do not have to work their asses off in peace time like the rest of us because they are expected to do what they are supposed to do when the time comes.

And in the moment monetary compensation becomes useless, it is pretty much an apocalypse scenario. In that case, I am clubbing the first soldier isolated from the rest and grabbing his stuff, since I still have better chances against individuals than on the front lines.

''They might feel justified to do what they please to you if you didn't comply (especially if you're compliance is crucial).''

In my eyes, that kind of government is not worth fighting for in the first place. Faced in that scenario I would rather die fighting my own people than the invaders.
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#264 - whathasbeengiven (05/04/2016) [-]
"Except that the toll is already paid for. I do not see why should I fight along someone whom I have financed in the peace time to fight for me when the need arises. You do not hire bodyguards so you can fight yourself when shit hits the fan, you hire them to protect you when the need for protection rises."
I'll go out on a limb here and say that maybe they want to put in extra people in war efforts, in times of draft, for good measure. I don't see why else they'd bother.


"I mean, who do you think finances their weapons, clothing and rations? Citizenry like us. They do not have to work their asses off in peace time like the rest of us because they are expected to do what they are supposed to do when the time comes."

First part is obvious. Money doesn't just come outta no where.
They're expected to do their job... Government already handing out drafts, seems to be expecting a job for you too.


"In my eyes, that kind of government is not worth fighting for in the first place. Faced in that scenario I would rather die fighting my own people than the invaders."
That's a scenario I wouldn't want, and it's also not one I was alluding to. I was more trying to point out how everyday patriotic citizens might see you as an unpatriotic ass, and treat you differently. If government already has penalties for citizens avoiding the draft, then I'm referring to that too.
#265 - nightmarexnxnxnxnx (05/04/2016) [-]
''I'll go out on a limb here and say that maybe they want to put in extra people in war efforts, in times of draft, for good measure. I don't see why else they'd bother.''

Well gee, looks like they have misused our hard earned cash on whores and expensive cars instead of outfitting the army like they were supposed to.

Oh well, time to pack up, the nature calls.

''First part is obvious. Money doesn't just come outta no where.
They're expected to do their job... Government already handing out drafts, seems to be expecting a job for you too.''

I have been doing my job by financing the state and thus the war efforts, I see no reason why should it be my responsibility to defend the country, when that is what soldiers are there for. My money has trained them, fed them, clothed them and armed them. They have been fucking around in barracks while I slaved away to feed them, now it is their job to return the favor.

''That's a scenario I wouldn't want, and it's also not one I was alluding to. I was more trying to point out how everyday patriotic citizens might see you as an unpatriotic ass, and treat you differently. If government already has penalties for citizens avoiding the draft, then I'm referring to that too.''

Again, that does not really inspire me to aid my country. If something like that happens, defecting and fighting against my own sounds like a much better scenario to be honest.
It would probable be a better choice to bolt and find some place to hunker down, or emigrate.

As I have said I do not care who wins or loses, all I care is about is survival of my own and my family.
#266 - whathasbeengiven (05/04/2016) [-]
"Well gee, looks like they have misused our hard earned cash on whores and expensive cars instead of outfitting the army like they were supposed to.

Oh well, time to pack up, the nature calls. "

I don't know about your country of residence, but mine could probably squash others with the stuff it has. I can see why it shouldn't matter to you if "your" country fails to protect itself, the same with "mine". If I recall correctly from an outdated economics textbook, military budgets are huge in the U.S. I don't doubt there's a sizeable number of able-bodied militants either.

They have been fucking around in barracks while I slaved away to feed them, now it is their job to return the favor.
(see pic) I don't have much else to say on this point. Didn't know much, admittedly.

"It would probable be a better choice to bolt and find some place to hunker down, or emigrate. "
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As I have said I do not care who wins or loses, all I care is about is survival of my own and my family. "

Unless the next country you choose has the same *immediate* demands.
Besides that, your final point stands on its own. Survival is essential thing, the people in charge of military things have their jobs to do correctly. I guess I'm done here, unless you have something else to say?
#267 - nightmarexnxnxnxnx (05/04/2016) [-]
I don't know about your country of residence, but mine could probably squash others with the stuff it has. I can see why it shouldn't matter to you if "your" country fails to protect itself, the same with "mine". If I recall correctly from an outdated economics textbook, military budgets are huge in the U.S. I don't doubt there's a sizeable number of able-bodied militants either.

Good, wont you please come liberate us already? we are suffering from a very bad case of oligarchy (not even kidding).

''military budgets are huge in the U.S''

Yeah and most of those funds are privatized by government officials cutting deals unfavorable for the state making their friends/themselves rich off taxpayer money. But hey, welcome to the club.

''I don't doubt there's a sizeable number of able-bodied militants either.''
Yeah, propaganda can go a long way, no doubts about that.

''Unless the next country you choose has the same *immediate* demands.
Besides that, your final point stands on its own. Survival is essential thing, the people in charge of military things have their jobs to do correctly''

Then again, in that kind of scenario, I am fucked up anyways. There is not much of a choice when your options are either to hide, get hanged, or die in way because apparently army cant even do the job they are supposed to.

Life and war are both wonderful things, yes?

''I guess I'm done here, unless you have something else to say?''
Well, you have been placing arguments and making questions most of the time, I am good here.
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#268 - whathasbeengiven (05/04/2016) [-]
"Good, wont you please come liberate us already? we are suffering from a very bad case of oligarchy (not even kidding)."
Sorry, that's neither my agenda nor game of political chess.

"Well, you have been placing arguments and making questions most of the time, I am good here."
Eh...I was hoping for a warm farewell. Also, for the record, I wanted to see your argument fall apart in the beginning (what would be the fun otherwise...?), but I enjoyed putting my little bit of knowledge to the test with your ideas. They are apparently well established in your person, and I learned to be a little more inquisitive about this matter.

"Yeah, propaganda can go a long way, no doubts about that. "
Oh come on..you're not going to elaborate on this? It feels like you want to keep going.
#269 - nightmarexnxnxnxnx (05/04/2016) [-]
''Sorry, that's neither my agenda nor game of political chess.''

Damn, and I was hoping for an easy solution here.

''Eh...I was hoping for a warm farewell. Also, for the record, I wanted to see your argument fall apart in the beginning (what would be the fun otherwise...?), but I enjoyed putting my little bit of knowledge to the test with your ideas. They are apparently well established in your person, and I learned to be a little more inquisitive about this matter.''

Well, no hard feelings about that, there are a lot of people who try to do that. I always seem to get into some kind of nasty argument, would believe it?

''Oh come on..you're not going to elaborate on this? It feels like you want to keep going.''

Nah, I'm good. Besides, I think this is really pretty self explanatory.
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#270 - whathasbeengiven (05/04/2016) [-]
No sauce to backup propaganda claim? Kay.
Well then, this is the farewell I'll take. Wish you luck with your family and self.
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#253 - whathasbeengiven (05/03/2016) [-]
nightmarexnxnxnxnx, basically a country needs all the fighting power it can get when things go bad.
If you don't put in your part, draft or whatever else, it seems like you're 1 more point which might add up to risk losing the country's order.
But...I think I can see why it wouldn't matter. Countries have each other's backs don't they?
But what if a country like China or North Korea started going ape shit, and everyone's little tense-peace suddenly fell off?
#257 - nightmarexnxnxnxnx (05/03/2016) [-]
Nah, you dont seem to understand, I do not care about the outcome. I do not have any patriotism in me. I do not feel like fighting for my country, or helping it survive, in the same manner as my country does not care about my well being and survival.
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#259 - whathasbeengiven (05/03/2016) [-]
I can understand that.
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#247 - mondprinzessin (05/03/2016) [-]
Bro I've got to ask, are you American?
#249 - nightmarexnxnxnxnx (05/03/2016) [-]
No I am not.
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#250 - mondprinzessin (05/03/2016) [-]
Ok, let me explain that to Americans, America is the best place in the world to live. Literally everywhere else is like a vacation. And people from military families are often extremely patriotic. We may hate out political leaders sometimes, but America itself is beautiful.
#252 - nightmarexnxnxnxnx (05/03/2016) [-]
That was the most patriotic thing I have ever seen in my life. Excuse me while I go present the contents of my dinner to the toilet bowl.

Anyways, I do not feel the responsibility to fight in wars that pudgy men in business suits started, regardless of how beautiful the landscape is. Paid professionals exist for that exact reason. I contribute in my own way.


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#254 - mondprinzessin (05/03/2016) [-]
Lol that's sort of my point
#255 - nightmarexnxnxnxnx (05/03/2016) [-]
Oh, joke's on me then, my bad.
#160 - anon (05/03/2016) [-]
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the USA hasn't had one real invasion since the British. And if the USA had a smaller army, maybe their politicians would be a little more conscious and less trigger-happy, before sending hundreds of young men to die in wars that, most of the time, shouldn't even concern americans...

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#164 - mondprinzessin (05/03/2016) [-]
Pearl harbor was the start of an invasion, but Japan was overly cautious.
And it's more like Europe has a small army because they aren't unified. We keep our army to prevent an invasion.
I personal have no control over who we attack but the places I have been mostly looked like shit before we even got there, and we mostly try to help.
#182 - anon (05/03/2016) [-]
I'm curious. If a country has plans to invade another country I'd think they would amass an army that would be capable of invasion. Now, would't it be convenient for a country to not declare war until they are ready to fight it? And when they do, would they wait for the other country to amass their own army to fight back? Cause if they don't then I don't think drafting people at the last minute will do any good if they don't have enough time to go through training.
#153 - endospore (05/03/2016) [-]
Then I and many others will make the choice to enlist and help. By forcing me or another into the military, they have already lost their freedom. Do you really not see the doublethink there? Also, speak for yourself. I'm filling out the NASIS form as part of joining the Navy in another tab right the fuck now.
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#161 - mondprinzessin (05/03/2016) [-]
Wow, right the fuck now? I'm impressed squid, we didn't even have to go to war for you to sign up!
But tell me, how long would it take to train a qualified army that could fight back against an army 6 times bigger than out own? There's basic and then tech school. So at least 2-3 months for some basic shit. Sf would take a few more years, and there aren't any timeouts in an invasion last I checked. So I'd guess we'd lose at least the west coast.
Now I'm not saying we wouldn't win, eventually, but I'd rather force out any invaders before they managed to form a foothold, and be forced to rely on rookie squid heads to save the day.
My point in the end is, if we desperately needed new troops, they wouldn't enlist until late game when they see that they have no choice but to fight. But yeah if we're doing a ok I don't see the point of drafting women. Who I'd rather not fight with in the first place
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#146 - jeej (05/03/2016) [-]
Yeah, my point exactly. Hence why I wrote as human beings x]
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#72 - felex (05/10/2016) [-]
who dis?
#24 - Wow, I'm baffled by these comments. The sign clearly states th…  [+] (5 replies) 04/29/2016 on Proper road behavior +135
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#127 - rarityrarityrarity (04/29/2016) [-]
Keep in mind that the majority on this site are children.
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#34 - fatminion (04/29/2016) [-]
*yield sign
#221 - jeej (05/01/2016) [-]
The other sign that is at the side of the road. Not the yield sign.
The thicker line shows how the main road proceeds through the T intersection.
#27 - anon (04/29/2016) [-]
Scares me that I have t opened the book yet and I got that right
#205 - anon (04/30/2016) [-]
Congratulattiona