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#211 - If there were no laws, and i still didn't kill and cheat and s…  [+] (4 new replies) 08/16/2012 on Gunlaw ! +1
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User avatar #229 - tkfourtwoone (08/16/2012) [-]
Well, if you want to talk about personal responsibility versus safety by law, may I remind you that America holds the record for serial killers and other loonies of that type?...

#222 - doodthedud (08/16/2012) [-]
The problem with personal responsibility not being backed up with laws is when Bob McRandomguy says "fuck it" and murders 8 people for something shiny.
User avatar #234 - itsdonealredy (08/16/2012) [-]
I agree with you, but what is it that lets that guy say "fuck it, ill just kill a buch of people, that will solve my problems"

how was he taught from childhood?, his life influences? how others around him act?, why can't those 8 people defend themselves from crazies? how the hell does a law stop him in the first place? no gun; ok so he stabs 5 people then.

Seems like the value of life has gone way down, people care for materials over other lives, maybe that what is wrong with us.

Also getting back to the 2nd amendment; i think most people miss the point about the militia, i think that was the real point of the law. So that the federal government couldn't take away the rights fo the states to muster their own armies and defend themselves, its not a paranoid thing, it was a part of american worry at the time when the laws were made. We had just seperated our selves from an overbearing, possibly tyrannical monarchy, the law makers want to leave the state an out in case they Federal government became to powerful and un-just.
#170 - 1.) 18 year olds cant buy revolvers, handguns may be only lega…  [+] (22 new replies) 08/16/2012 on Gunlaw ! +1
User avatar #215 - madmadworld (08/16/2012) [-]
For statement 2 the constitution really needs a rewrite or at least editing and was actually intended to be rewritten every certain number of years when it was first written up. And if not it should be anyway as the laws of a few hundred years ago don't apply completely to the world of today.
You don't see us hanging people and burning people at the stake because they have a wart and a black cat and "must be a witch". :P

Also I think it's Switzerland where it's the law that each household has a gun and is trained to use it. I think they also still have conscription too and they've got one of the lowest crime rates in the world. (But don't quote me on this as again I am not certain and I didn't verify before this post.)

I agree partially that the people should learn or be taught better by those giving them access to firearms, but in the same sense it also should be the governments job to keep weapons that are used in a militia sense to really be tracked so they at least know that it's being distributed well enough and there aren't crazy people hording guns. That being said there also needs to be classifications on what type of gun you can own, for example in the home it'd be going to a 12 gauge pump action shotgun at the extreme most as that's the most you'll ever need in the home. For self defence outside anything up to .45 calibre, (not an expert or a gun lover so I am not certain on the powers of ammunition), just so we know that the guns being used are actually relative to the purpose they're needed and the people aren't importing ridiculous things or going out of their way to get something like an old ww2 50 calibre machine gun in their collection.

Also the want to not rely on guns and have a responsible governing body to protect you is not a pussy way out or removing any liberties of freedom, that's just wanting a government to do their damn jobs. It's not a fear of freedom it's a want to not having to rely on arming yourself to get a say in the world.
#183 - gmarrox (08/16/2012) [-]
You should write speeches.
User avatar #180 - tkfourtwoone (08/16/2012) [-]
"More laws is the pussy way out". Sure, if you want to call being civilized as "being pussy", go ahead

I DON'T someone to take responsibility for my actions. I DO want a state that would protect me, as it should, that is correct.

I DO NOT crave a controlled life. Most obvious flaw in your reasoning is that the Government CANNOT decide the way you think.
Otherwise, I am a strict adherent to the idea that in a normal, civilized state, each layer of society has its role; citizens with privileges & obligations, state authorities to protect said citizens and a Government to GOVERN (cause that's what it should do, ffs) the masses.

Even the fact that you sustain, that humans are violent by nature, should make you think that we need a body that will REIGN IN that violent nature and force us into civlization.
#211 - itsdonealredy (08/16/2012) [-]
If there were no laws, and i still didn't kill and cheat and steal, i think that is more civilized than having our rulers tell me i cant do that.

Every government controls the choices of its citizens, its what they do best, you are influenced and conditioned from a very small age to accept their authority and that what they decide is always right for everyone. That more laws must be better.

That is my main issue with government, the propaganda that more laws are always better. I think that less laws and more personal responsibility, more personal choice make my life better; makes me a better person.

I agree with you that ever layer of society has a role, but laws take away the privileges and roles of everyone under the government, soon the citizens have no role, have no responsibility have no choices. Now the government has all the responsibility all the choices. Frankly I dont trust them to make decisions for me, they cant even make decisions for themselves.

I don't sustain that humans are violent by nature, i think the majority of humans desire to be peaceful, but or base instincts; like protecting ourselves/loved ones, finding food and shelter; can push anyone to great acts of violence.

There something special about the new American society that for some reason makes people think it is ok to resort to the extremes of violence to deal with hier problems. I dont know what that is but i think it has to do with lack of personal responsibility, stemming from "nanny state" type governments.
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User avatar #229 - tkfourtwoone (08/16/2012) [-]
Well, if you want to talk about personal responsibility versus safety by law, may I remind you that America holds the record for serial killers and other loonies of that type?...

#222 - doodthedud (08/16/2012) [-]
The problem with personal responsibility not being backed up with laws is when Bob McRandomguy says "fuck it" and murders 8 people for something shiny.
User avatar #234 - itsdonealredy (08/16/2012) [-]
I agree with you, but what is it that lets that guy say "fuck it, ill just kill a buch of people, that will solve my problems"

how was he taught from childhood?, his life influences? how others around him act?, why can't those 8 people defend themselves from crazies? how the hell does a law stop him in the first place? no gun; ok so he stabs 5 people then.

Seems like the value of life has gone way down, people care for materials over other lives, maybe that what is wrong with us.

Also getting back to the 2nd amendment; i think most people miss the point about the militia, i think that was the real point of the law. So that the federal government couldn't take away the rights fo the states to muster their own armies and defend themselves, its not a paranoid thing, it was a part of american worry at the time when the laws were made. We had just seperated our selves from an overbearing, possibly tyrannical monarchy, the law makers want to leave the state an out in case they Federal government became to powerful and un-just.
User avatar #193 - gmarrox (08/16/2012) [-]
These principles don't work in America because we don't have enough money in our budget to have a police station frequently spaced enough to be within 10 minutes of any possible crime scene. It can take 30 minutes to an hour for police to arrive on the scene of a massacre that could have resulted in many lives being lost before the criminal is stopped, whereas it only takes one armed citizen to stop the criminal. Hell, he doesn't even need to shoot to kill, just to wound. If you'll study American crime rates, you'll notice our cities with the highest crime counts also have the strictest gun laws.
User avatar #218 - tkfourtwoone (08/16/2012) [-]
"Admitting one's mistake is the first step in correcting it".

It's not just about the money, it's about the mentality as well.

Frankly, let's assume someone carried a firearm into the theater where the shooting was recently. Would that really would have made a difference? Wouldn't it have increased the chance of collateral victims?

Once again, it is my belief that this sort of mentality and firearms regime lead to psychopaths just like the dude at the movie theater or the 2 kids from Columbia be created.
User avatar #230 - gmarrox (08/16/2012) [-]
Chicago has always had some of the strictest gun regulations in America. It also has one of the highest shooting/murder counts.

Whereas in other cities, where citizens are allowed to own and protect themselves with firearms, the crime rates and murder rates are significantly lower. So yes, I do believe if someone with a gun and willing to use it had been present, the shooting would have stopped sooner and fewer people would have died. James Holmes purchased his guns legally, but with Cuba and Mexico to our south, getting guns illegally is just as easy, if not easier.

"And all of you who say 'yeah, because criminals will obviously obey the law...'"

Unfortunately, that is the reality. You can't compare the EU to the united states as illegal weapon trafficking is far simpler and more prevalent here. denying law-abiding citizens protection when criminals can easily attain firearms outside of the U.S.'s laws is plain foolish.
User avatar #243 - madmadworld (08/16/2012) [-]
True for all accounts, but a tighter learning structure, tracking those that have been taught and those that have not that also own a gun and definitely keeping up with a regular training or at least practice regime is a good way to go. Also limiting the types of guns a civilian population can get access to is a good way to go IMO.
It does go against the constitution a little bit, but that passage needs a rewrite IMO regarding the world of today.

Switzerland has basically a militia for it's army, has basically the second amendment going for it and it's crime rate and perceived opinion on guns is a very quiet one. It's got away with the whole lots of civilians owning guns, but it's because they make the owners have to go through their military training first as part of conscription.

I know it's like comparing apples and oranges in regards to Switzerland and America, but they must be doing something right, right? XD

Also it may just be the American "personality" of the gung-ho, boisterous, loud country with the access to guns that may be affecting people's views.
I personally know a few Americans that have had brushes with break ins and they have guns. They're not bad people because they own their gun for protection but they're also not taking it out everywhere they go like underwear y'know? They don't treat it and advertise it as an authority statement, they treat it as what it is, a weapon of death. It's not a tool it's a weapon, a last resort item to be used in the direst of circumstances. That's the image that needs to be put out as a whole from the american gun community. Appreciate them, admire them, build them, own them, practice with them but make sure that the responsibility is always told and the firearm is respected as well as feared, but not letting the fear overcome you too much.
User avatar #244 - gmarrox (08/16/2012) [-]
I agree with you, but in some places you have to carry a gun just to ensure your own safety walking from your house to your car.
User avatar #255 - madmadworld (08/16/2012) [-]
True, definitely not disputing that those moments exist.
I'm looking for a more "I might need it so it's better to have it than not" mindset being published rather than an "I want to carry my gun around because it's my right to" mindset as one can appear rather antagonistic in a certain setting and the other is more of understanding the responsibility they hold.

I'm an Englishman in England right now and I honestly would buy a gun only for protective purposes in the worst areas of America. Even then I wouldn't go for the highest calibre I am allowed I'd definitely keep it to the minimum of what is needed, just to be on the safe side. It doesn't take much to stop a person in their tracks, usually it's a collection of well placed sincere words.
User avatar #239 - gmarrox (08/16/2012) [-]
For the record, I realize it seems I was saying the shooting occurred in Chicago. I know it occurred in Colorado, I was just using Chicago as an example for gun law.
#192 - doodthedud (08/16/2012) [-]
This is a very solid post. One thing I'd like to dispute about it, however.

Where do we get a body that reigns in that violent behavior? Violent, individualistic creatures governing violent, individualistic creatures can't be expected to perfectly work out.

I have to strongly agree with you that "More laws is the pussy way out" is a stupid sentiment. One of the silliest things I've heard. What works, works.
#191 - rangeryan (08/16/2012) [-]
lol you really are stupid if government had full control they would control the way we think look at what hitler did he manipulated millions to kill and he made them think it that government did not reign in anything they made it worse and without the citizens with weapons what is stopping our government hungry for money i couldn't put it past any of them humans are greedy you can't change that people always do something to benefit themselves and think of others after
#196 - doodthedud (08/16/2012) [-]
If government had a bit more control in the education department, you'd punctuate your argument so that it wasn't a huge, jumbled mess that gives the mental image of a young bumpkin holding a history book upside down and yelling.

Blind mistrust for government is just as silly as blind trust for government You have to pay attention. We're individualistic creatures. That means any organization, including a government, is going to be comprised of some good eggs and some bad eggs. Politicians aren't all Hitler.
User avatar #210 - tkfourtwoone (08/16/2012) [-]
That "blind trust" that you speak of is called "voting" in a form of Government known as "democracy". Most of us desire it, since it's the least bad form of Government we came up with so far

As for "having blind trust in your Government leads to Hitler", that's bullshit. Quite frankly, the number of glorious nations leaders strongly outnumber those who committed atrocities. It's just that said atrocities are much easier to remember.

Oh, once again about the HItler crap: aren't we supposed, as a collective whole, to learn from our mistakes?...
#241 - anonymous (08/16/2012) [-]
"Quite frankly, the number of glorious nations leaders strongly outnumber those who committed atrocities. It's just that said atrocities are much easier to remember."

The same argument can be used for good gun use vs bad gun use.
User avatar #242 - tkfourtwoone (08/16/2012) [-]
If you can seriously name ONE "good gun use"...
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Because I do, dood. And I do because it's fun, dood.
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User avatar #177 - ishouldplayzelda (08/06/2012) [-]
or maybe he's never seen zoolander? i'm 18 and i've only seen like 5 minutes of it
User avatar #83 - zaggystirdust (08/06/2012) [-]
doesn't understand a reference
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I've never seen it. I've heard of it
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The original had three boobs...
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Look at the second comment. Now look at the adverbs in my sentence; they are highlighted.
I purposedly the English language.
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I've seen the movie but does he actually?
User avatar #53 - blacksad (08/04/2012) [-]
Its all about the interpretation you wanna give to it. You can think that what Alfred saw at florence was just a manifestation of what he wanted for Bruce or wasn't.
User avatar #56 - garymuthafuknoak (08/04/2012) [-]
ya i considered that.
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Yes.
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In the comics he does like once or twice a year.
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so long and thanks for all the shoes
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and you - thanks for the fishy taste in my beak.

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#98 - i think thats it, this anime is epic, def worth watching, used…  [+] (1 new reply) 08/02/2012 on just though it was funny +2
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User avatar #98 - itsdonealredy (08/02/2012) [-]
i think thats it, this anime is epic, def worth watching, used to be on adult swim, it was sad when they stopped playing anime
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User avatar #98 - itsdonealredy (08/02/2012) [-]
i think thats it, this anime is epic, def worth watching, used to be on adult swim, it was sad when they stopped playing anime
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