More than one rebel group. Syria is littered with rebel groups, ISIS was just a bin laden off shoot that stole the weapons the others were using.

Ah got it. I don't remember that that well, so I have no idea. I have no opinion on it.

Don't forget that it was a Tupolev Tu-154, a Russian trijet

Why... Why would they put the majority of their government on one plane.

This would be my question as well.

Their logic

I apologise for not clarifying, although a middle-earner would hardly have reason to leave since they've got their cushy four bedroom suburban homes. You're also correct that different governments abandoning the people is a problem but look at it this way, if a man is shot the blame is still on the person who fired the gun even if no one called him an ambulance. Yes, the coal mines were ultimately doomed but a better solution would have been to slowly phase it out and ensure that there was a new industry that the children of the coal workers could train for while their families still had jobs.

I'm also amused that consider working in heavy industry a waste. These were skilled jobs, people were proud of them, people identified themselves by them. People don't have that any more, that's why you still find active Miner's clubs and societies to this day. Thatcher's greatest crime was that she stripped these people of their dignity when she took away their profession.

You mean like it did in Chile, or Argentina, or Bolivia, or Poland, or South Africa, or Russia, or Iraq?

Shock therapy is a really great way of making the rich richer and the poor powerless.

The closest comparison is natural selection where those with an existing advantage thrive and those without die off. This is not a good thing to base your economic policy on.

Glorious, glorious gas... and stealing other peoples money finance.

You can't just make jobs. But you can put money into an area to try and stimulate growth. If there's money then jobs will follow suit.

Surely trying to make jobs in an area where you just took them away would be the right thing to do. She didn't do that.

You can't just "make jobs". The north at the time was very similar to Greece is right this second. There's never any easy option.

You can't just make jobs. But you can put money into an area to try and stimulate growth. If there's money then jobs will follow suit.

Dunno why you're getting thumbed down.

It's well known there was large parts of the working class that belonged to the communist party which almost strangled our production lines during WW2 with their near constant striking, thanks to the unions, until Russia joined the war and even then they didn't get much better at the time & the coal mines were making a loss even though they were already heavily subsidized by the government. The mines were going to close eventually, she just forced the issue and probably saved modern Britain by doing so.

Heh. Scargill even got money from the Soviets. You're right though, it was always going to happen. Gas was just a better resource.

Glorious, glorious gas... and stealing other peoples money finance.

Socialism =/= communism. The coal mines needed to close, but she just left it at that. Now the north is left with practically nothing in comparison to the south. Nothing was done to try and get jobs back through other things.

I count myself as slightly left leaning. I still recognise that sometimes peoples jobs and livelihoods gotta be sacrificed for the good of the nation. How else will we be able to afford all our welfare and NHS that we enjoy so much?

Biggest mistake Thatcher made, in my opinion, was the start of the privatisation of the NHS but Cameron isnt exactly doing anything to stop it, Big Society my ass

I'm also wondering why, but I'll take the thumbs in any case.

The thumb breakdown on that comment is starting to turn into a war. Greenies just starting to turn the tide now that all the Northerners are going to sleep

Those blighters!

The Northerners be like...

I'm not from England, though I'm moving there soon, but I have heard that they tend to hold grudges.

Not at all... We'll get our revenge one day, America