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#24 - nope, nowadays, thanks to most med schools being funded by pre…  [+] (13 new replies) 03/04/2015 on "I'm going in..." +7
User avatar #41 - thesoulseeker (03/04/2015) [-]
If your back hurts the doctor doesn't just give you a pain killer, rather if they do they are a bad doctor. What they should do is attempt to find the cause of the pain.
And then prescribe a treatment, which yes may just be a pill. Or it may require going to a specialist for some reason. The treatment may even be getting a massage every week.
#38 - auryn (03/04/2015) [-]
"Oh, you're starting to get side-effects from the pill I gave you? Here's another pill to counter that!"
User avatar #37 - casval (03/04/2015) [-]
That's why if I have something seriously wrong with me, as in a legitimate chronic disorder, I would never go to an M.D. I would go to a D.O. If you want your sickness actually CURED and not just TREATED, go to D.O.s. They actually care about treating the underlying problem.

Of course, if I just break a bone or need a few stitches, anyone who's been even close to medical school is good enough for me..
User avatar #39 - thesoulseeker (03/04/2015) [-]
I found several types of doctors that have the acronym D.O. would you mind telling me which one you are talking about?
User avatar #40 - casval (03/04/2015) [-]
A D.O., like an M.D., can go into any specialized field of medicine he or she chooses. A D.O. is an osteopathic physician, while an M.D. is an allopathic physician.

Or to put it more simply, from medicalschoolhq.net :

"D.O.s practice osteopathic medicine which is centered around a more holistic view of medicine in which the focus is on seeing the patient as a “whole person” to reach a diagnosis, rather than treating the symptoms alone.

The belief is that all parts of the body work together and influence each other. Osteopathic medicine also places emphasis on the prevention of disease. In medical school, there is specific training on osteopathic manipulative treatment (OMT), a hands-on approach to diagnosis and treatment as well as disease prevention."

D.O.s master race.

Source: medicalschoolhq.net/the-difference-between-m-d-and-d-o/
User avatar #43 - thesoulseeker (03/04/2015) [-]
"There is no good evidence that osteopathy is effective as a treatment for health conditions unrelated to the musculoskeletal system (bones and muscles). "


"allopathic" - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allopathic_medicine
Why in the hell you would think modern medicine treats only symptoms is beyond me. A clear example are antibiotics when used to help combat a bacterial infection.
Apart from this often it is beneficial to treat certain symptoms as this improves the quality of life of the ill person, an example here is using paracetamol or similar medications to lower a fever.

I've looked into other kinds of alternative medicine and so far I've pretty much always found them lacking. And this doesn't seem like it will be the exception.
User avatar #45 - casval (03/04/2015) [-]
As with any decision you make about your health, I would expect you to be skeptical no matter what anyone told you.

I never said modern medicine treats only symptoms. :/ And believe me, I have been to many M.D.s in my life to have said antibiotic vaccinations, to have my bones mended, to have my illnesses treated. I am in no way knocking M.D.'s.

However, with that said, it has been my personal experience that D.O.s are more aggressive about discovering and treating the underlying problems of a chronic illnesses than M.D.s are.

Point in case: A few years ago my mother was admitted to the hospital with a broken sternum. The M.D. at the hospital discovered an elevated T cell count, and noticing my mom had good insurance, he proceeded to run up a massive medical bill with unnecessary tests before he concluded my mom, who is on blood thinners, needed an emergency operation to remove a cyst in her ovary, which he was confident was the cause of the T cell increase. Well, any reputable doctor will tell you that you're not supposed to operate on individuals who are taking blood thinners unless it is a life-threatening emergency. My mother didn't agree to his operation and sought out a second opinion.

She met with a D.O. who, after a few simple tests, determined that the cyst in her ovary was benign and was not the cause of her T cell increase. The cause was in fact stage 1 breast cancer, which the M.D. failed to catch. She was able to safely begin non invasive treatment.

I have other stories as well. This is not a single occurrence where I have found D.O.'s to be more successful at diagnosing problems than M.D.s.

Like I said. I'm not knocking modern medicine OR M.D.s. I will go to an M.D. if I have an infection, or if I'm sick, or if I chop off my fucking leg.

But if I suddenly start shitting blood and my stomach becomes distended, you can bet your ass I'm going to a D.O.
User avatar #46 - thesoulseeker (03/04/2015) [-]
But what do the D.O.s do? How do they diagnose these things?
What evidence is there that it works? And no anecdotes are not evidence, especially for medical procedures.

"I never said modern medicine treats only symptoms" yes you did when you called it allopathic. That is what the term means is it not?
User avatar #47 - casval (03/04/2015) [-]
I think you're confused. D.O.s are still doctors. They still go to medical school, get their medical degree, etc. How they diagnose things isn't spectacularly different from other doctors, at least not from what I've seen. I'm not going to sit here and write a 10 page research paper for you about the practices they use because I don't have that kind of time and I'm sure you know how to use google. For fuck's sake, I don't care if you take me seriously or not. I'm recounting from my own experience that I find them to be more thorough doctors who care more about the well being of the patient than seeing how many bills they can run up on your insurance.

The only difference is that D.O.'s treat the patient as a whole and not just the symptoms or injuries. They also go through more hours in medical school training for manipulation techniques and shit.

Also, you need to stop being so defensive lol. First of all, that is not what allopathic means. Show me where allopathic = "treats only symptoms."

According to MedTerms Dictionary, allopathic medicine is defined as "The system of medical practice which treats disease by the use of remedies which produce effects different from those produced by the disease under treatment. M.D.s practice allopathic medicine. The term "allopathy" was coined in 1842 by C.F.S. Hahnemann to designate the usual practice of medicine (allopathy) as opposed to homeopathy, the system of therapy that he founded based on the concept that disease can be treated with drugs (in minute doses) thought capable of producing the same symptoms in healthy people as the disease itself."

D.O.'s are not "anti prescription drug." If that is your view on them, then it's wrong. From piedmont.org :

One major difference is D.O. programs place an emphasis on primary care. “Most D.O.s are in internal medicine, family practice, pediatrics, OB-GYN and general surgery,” says Dr. Krachman. “We spend a lot of time with people. The emphasis – which we call primary care now – is on people...D.O.s are trained to ask questions like this to gain a comprehensive understanding of a patient’s lifestyle, which can impact their condition. With chronic diseases like diabetes, it’s not only about the medication you’re taking, but “what are you are eating, who’s at home, how meals are prepared and who’s preparing the meals,” he says. “It’s a supplemental layer that provides you with more opportunity to get better patient care.”
User avatar #51 - thesoulseeker (23 hours ago) [-]
"and I'm sure you know how to use google" yes I do know how to use google and what google tells me is that Osteopathic medicine is very similar to chiropractic medicine and that both have ideas similar to vitalism. That is what I got from my short reading.
For example:
"An osteopath aims to restore the normal function and stability of the joints to help the body heal itself. They use their hands to treat your body in a variety of ways, using a mixture of gentle and forceful techniques...."

"I'm recounting from my own experience that I find them to be more thorough doctors who care more about the well being of the patient than seeing how many bills they can run up on your insurance. "
Then you have some shitty doctors where you live, I'm assuming you live in the US because it's quite probable from what you've said. I've spent a few hours reading about the US medical system and I'd say it's not shitty doctors in that case it's that your whole medical system is bad. But it has little to do with the medicine itself and more to do with laws and economics.

From the wiki page:
"Allopathic medicine is an expression commonly used by homeopaths and proponents of other forms of alternative medicine to refer to mainstream medical use of pharmacologically active agents or physical interventions to treat or suppress symptoms or pathophysiologic processes of diseases or conditions."

I guess that my opinion of the term has been colored by my experience with alternative medicine proponents.

"The only difference is that D.O.'s treat the patient as a whole and not just the symptoms or injuries." What exactly does this mean in practical terms? What do they do differently?

"With chronic diseases like diabetes, it’s not only about the medication you’re taking, but “what are you are eating, who’s at home, how meals are prepared and who’s preparing the meals,” he says. “It’s a supplemental layer that provides you with more opportunity to get better patient care.” "
That is something a good professional should obviously do and if I take your words at face value I literary see no difference between what an MD should do and what you claim a DO does.
#52 - casval (23 hours ago) [-]
I guess you would just have to go to a few D.O.s to find out the difference in treatment for yourself. Let me know when you can form a personal opinion based on experience on the two rather than what you read from wikipedia.

We've reached an obvious impasse. I'm done with this thread. No longer care. I'm out of here. I got princesses to kidnap, bitch.

I'll see you on the battlefield, knight. This can only be settled with fire and steel.
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But how do you ingest a pill if your head is gone? Do you just shove it down through your neck-hole?
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