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#934470 - Who gets raped? Asunas real body?  [+] (1 new reply) 05/06/2014 on Anime & Manga - anime... 0
User avatar #934612 - warbob (05/06/2014) [-]
no, at around volume 12-ish he is in a world filled with smart AI NPCs and one of the acquintances is raped by a noble (in the web version) or is just about to get raped (in the light novel version).
#933827 - about?  [+] (2 new replies) 05/05/2014 on Anime & Manga - anime... 0
User avatar #933832 - redclover (05/05/2014) [-]
that arc one was anything like the matrix and/or good
and that anyone liked the 2nd arc
even die hard SAO fans hate the 2nd arc
User avatar #933893 - tormain (05/05/2014) [-]
The fairies where gay, the incest was wrong but the fights were pretty good.
They toke the best part from the LN's out of the series though, and for that I hate them.
#933820 - 2nd 1/2 aside- explain.  [+] (14 new replies) 05/05/2014 on Anime & Manga - anime... 0
#933829 - senjougahara (05/05/2014) [-]
The whole trapped in a video game setting has been done plenty of times. Most notably the .hack series. The whole MMO setting wasnt the main focus at all and felt tacked on visually. The show made no effort as to how any of the game mechanics worked or affected the game itself, only having "it just works" added into it.

Characters themselves were extremely bland and generic. No characterization was introduced at all making it impossible to like anyone. Kirito is an extremely bland MC, who somehow knows everything about a video game and even manages to hack into the servers and cheats death on multiple accounts. Not only that, but hes a gary stu who somehow manages to attract and rodeo plenty of girls and create himself a harem without any realization of this. Asuna herself showed no promise in a potentially usefull character as she was introduced as a strong women only to be forced as a shitty tsundere side character as well as a trapped maiden later on in the series. Suguha...shitty big tittied brocon, I dont need to say more. And the villain, he was just there and there was no motivation for his goals. He just trapped thousands of people for the sake of what? Evil? Cus he can?

Plot and story itself was awful. The pacing was horrendous. Half of the time there was no advancement for the story at all and all it had was shitty filler garbage. Im talking about Elizabeth, the murder case, the stupid honeymoon, the loli and the guild. And when it was time for the actual story to progress, they rush it giving no time for anything to build up. Im not going to bother with the Fairy arc cus I dropped this. Im not even going to deal with why they decide to go back to playing more videogames after that "traumatic" dealing they just had.
User avatar #940576 - cormy (05/13/2014) [-]
PERMISSION TO ARGUE ON WEEK-OLD THREAD SIR!?
#940577 - senjougahara (05/13/2014) [-]
Sure
User avatar #940580 - cormy (05/13/2014) [-]
Well, as Hentai­sweetie said, there's a lot of resemblance to the Matrix is that a lot of things work just because they do, though in this case there was in fact foreknowledge. I'm not sure if you missed it or what, but Kirito knows "everything" about the video game because he had been a beta tester for it for a good month or so. More than just a beta tester though, he had also hacked into the game while testing it, making him the most "experienced" user of all since he was able to get much further in the game that any of the other beta-testers thanks to his... Uhm. Perseverance I guess. Hence the "Beater" title that was given to him (Beta+Cheater=Beater)
Now the reason that a lot of things happen just 'cause they do is because the game takes commands directly from the brain in order to do things, this enables the possibility of forcing certain events that shouldn't normally happen.
In particular I'd like to bring your attention to this: arstechnica.com/gaming/2014/01/how-an-emulator-fueled-robot-reprogrammed-super-mario-world-on-the-fly/
So that's basically how I see the "magic" of the video-game BS that goes on.
Now for the characters, I'm not sure what characterization introduction you really needed to make it possible to like someone. When I meet someone new on the streets, within the first minute I can have a pretty good idea of whether I like them or not and as we do more things together, I can get more or less attached to them depending on what I think of how they behave in various situations. I feel that this is honestly the best way to tell stories. Instead of having a huge ass chuck of prologue to set you into the show, you are thrown directly into the action and learn as you go. This makes for a far more exciting watch while you still get to know the relevant things about everyone when you need to. Considering this is in a virtual world with no backstory to it, most of the character info isn't needed besides their personalities that we see anyway
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User avatar #940582 - cormy (05/13/2014) [-]
To me, Kirito was just a very analytical guy who takes things in as they come but otherwise minds his own business. Sure you could say he was bland, but that doesn't make him a BAD character. Not everyone has to be at the end of a personality extreme like is the case with most main characters.
I don't really remember there being much to Asuna since the focus isn't on her much but I didn't find she was Tsundere in the slightest, sure she was reluctant about her feelings for the guy but she had real reason to be, he often seemed completely unconcerned with the well-being of others despite him having a hell of a lot more experience and strength than the other players. Her gradual inclination towards him was given pretty well imo, she certainly didn't stay tsundere throughout and I feel that her personality at the beginning was stable throughout, she just didn't have anything left to hide or debate once they really started the relationship, she could just be herself then and she was happy with that.
I haven't seen the show in a while so my memory about it all is probably pretty hazy so I won't go into details concerning the secondary characters so I'mma move on to pacing.
Keep in mind this is a game with a very basic setup. I certainly would've liked to see more dungeon bosses just 'cause I'm interested in that sort of thing but it would've gotten repetitive. What was important was showing the life that had grown in the virtual reality. Remember they were in there for 2 years. I thought it was great that they showed what was going on with the rest of the population and didn't just concentrate on constant dungeon runs and training, which is basically all that ever went on outside of the weaker towns.
Bad guy: Yeah, he did trap them all because he could. He was your average power-hungry "emperor" as far as I'm aware... But he lost sight of that because 2 years had passed with him just watching. He was uploaded to the game and his real self was dead
User avatar #940583 - cormy (05/13/2014) [-]
The "filler" to me was just to show that there was a real sense of loss for a lot of people in there, because people really were dying. Some of the filler gave you chances to actually get attached to the people in there, which I did.
I really liked the guild and loli-side stories.
2nd Arc doesn't exist.
It just doesn't.
k, I done now Senjougahara
User avatar #940593 - senjougahara (05/13/2014) [-]
Like I said, its been done before and in this case it wasnt very good. When I watch a show that takes place in a virtual reality like SAO or Log Horizon, I expect some sort of world building background and how the game works. Log Horizon does this approach and the players are actually in the game as well. The show takes the time to explain how each spell/attack and mechanic works as well as any HP/Magic and armor buffs. Hell it evens expands on the character classes and their abilities. I didnt see any approach with this for SAO aside from the HUD displays which didnt mean shit either way.

Hacking into a game doesnt make you a better experienced player. Thats just bad writing. You expect me to believe out of all the thousands of players who beta tested, he was the only one to do so?

When I mean characterization I want someone who changes throughout the show. Build upon their personalities and see them grow from who they were You can build and grow as you go. I wanna know who they were before all of this, what they did, why they are playing the games. And when you introduce as many characters like SAO did, I expect them to at least be relevant to the story. SAO showed so many that they practically fell off aside from popping in once or twice, im looking at that black dude, the dragon loli, and that guy with the bandana from the first ep. I know absolutely nothing of them aside that they are just there to help Kirito cus hes such a swell guy and we all love him.
Which takes me to the next point, why do people love Kirito? What makes him so fucking fascinating? Hes a gary stu. A kid with no prior knowledge of computer engineering and video coding has the capacity to hack into a multibillion video game project and get away with it. In game he somehow already knows about hidden levels and weapons and even manages to hack in game to revive himself. If he could do that, why hasnt he done that in the first place to save his ass out of the fucking game It makes no sense
User avatar #940594 - senjougahara (05/13/2014) [-]
I refer to my point from the previous comment for Asuna. Tsundere may have been an over exaggeration but why introduce her in the first episodes as a strong soloist only to bog her done as a weak maiden in the later episodes? Why did she fall in love with him in the first place? She was irrelevant throughout the entirety of the first half of the show and only showed importance in the last few episodes from it as a damsel instead of the hard headed strong player she oughted to be in the first place.

The pacing was horrid. It focused too much on small filler that didnt matter. No the guild episodes were not important, nor was the dragon loli and Elizabeth. What was the point? Only to have them fall in love with Kirito? Skip those episodes and you will miss absolutely nothing. If you're going to have a huge focus on trying to escape from a fucking video game, I expect you to keep at it without deviating into unnecessary shit like the murder mystery episode. You put so much emphasize on how much you dread the game and how you want to go back into the real world, and here we are seeing our MC building his harem of girls and doing stupid quest that dont matter to the story. You had two years to escape. Two, and you focused it on loligagging. Log Horizon has the same predicament and yet they did it better. Instead of making escape their primary goal, they mostly focused on living ingame and trying to make the best of it.

>He forgot
Uploading yourself in the game is one thing, but having your "advanced" replicated mind turned into an AI forget your primary goal is fucking ridiculous. Billions of dollars for an ingenious plan only to have it forgotten by faulty coding, or bad writing.

I resort once again to my characterization retort. 1 fucking episode is not enough to get emotionally attached to characters who you knew nothing of. I cant take the show seriously if it goes on killing off useless characters that dont have any use in the story.
User avatar #940795 - cormy (05/13/2014) [-]
He may not have been the only one to hack, but he was the one who got the furthest doing it. That is stated in the show and I kind of just assumed that he had some knowledge in coding since he was accepted as a beta tester and did hack the game.
SAO's game mechanics didn't really concern me all that much since it was mostly the player's fighting capabilities that mattered rather than their overall character strength. A lot of reflex and precision was needed along with strategy to beat things and if you fucked up at all, you died. Kinda makes me think of Dark Souls actually, where nearly every enemy can be beat at any level as long as you don't let them hit you. This of course didn't apply in the fairy Arc where everything was purely skill-based.
In my head, he is more experienced because he got further so he learned more than others. There is always a top player, no matter how many hack. Kirito just happened to be that one guy that pushed himself more than the others. Really I was expecting more beaters to show up but it wasn't all that important and neither were the mmo mechanics imo
I'd say the main problem with characters popping in and out is Kirito himself, he always played solo and then wandered aimlessly when he took breaks from farming. The characters that do like him, like him because of what he did at the start of the series. He helped a lot of them out and gave them direction in the game. They didn't even really help him, they just all had the goal in mind of beating those dungeons so they worked together. I'd say most people like him cause he saved their lives.
He gets away with the hacking cause it's all run by one crazy guy who actually WANTED someone to challenge him in-game. That can be seen by a few things like giving him the dual-sword wielding capability. I don't think his hacking abilities have infinite influence, mostly just affects himself much like Neo would. Even if he did hack himself a way out, he wouldn't be helping anyone inside at all.
User avatar #940800 - cormy (05/13/2014) [-]
I can't really defend that too much but I don't find that it makes for a bad show, tons of shows ignore "little" details like that for the sake of plot.
I'm not sure what makes you think Asuna became a damsel... I don't remember that at all. Hell she had to save Kirito from that asshole guild guy who poisoned him. She fared pretty well there and that's pretty far into the show. She certainly goes to the end dungeons with everyone else aswell. Her not appearing throughout the first half is because of the show viewing everything from Kirito's perspective, who never went into large groups 'til the very end, especially after the incident where that ONE small guild that he DID join got wiped out right in front of him. Since Asuna was basically leading the strongest guild in the game, she couldn't really afford to run around looking for Kirito.
I can't understand how you can say the filler didn't matter, even if some of them were just single episodes, I was able to get attached to the characters and got some feels when they were ransacked. I found those moments were quite important to Kirito's character. Those events helped push him towards wanting to destroy the game completely. If you skip those episodes, you miss a lot of the backstory to why he gets so upset about certain things. It's important driving factors for him. I dunno about you, but I probably wouldn't be able to constantly train and farm for 2 years straight in order to escape a game. Between episodes there are MONTHS that pass. So most of the "serious" stuff happens between episodes and as I said, it would get repetitive to see them doing dungeons all the time so they don't show it.
I don't think the game was ever meant to take full consciousnesses uploaded to it, he just kind of abused that power 'cause he was dying and wanted to try it out.
User avatar #940805 - cormy (05/13/2014) [-]
senjougahara, reply to me by PM, there's a bigger character coutn there =)
User avatar #934232 - MillionsKnives (05/05/2014) [-]
I do enjoy when they stop talking after finally getting explained why it's bad.
#933836 - redclover (05/05/2014) [-]
#933816 - It was the matrix but with video games. How do you not like th…  [+] (16 new replies) 05/05/2014 on Anime & Manga - anime... 0
User avatar #933817 - senjougahara (05/05/2014) [-]
Cus it was poorly done.
User avatar #933820 - hentaisweetie (05/05/2014) [-]
2nd 1/2 aside- explain.
#933829 - senjougahara (05/05/2014) [-]
The whole trapped in a video game setting has been done plenty of times. Most notably the .hack series. The whole MMO setting wasnt the main focus at all and felt tacked on visually. The show made no effort as to how any of the game mechanics worked or affected the game itself, only having "it just works" added into it.

Characters themselves were extremely bland and generic. No characterization was introduced at all making it impossible to like anyone. Kirito is an extremely bland MC, who somehow knows everything about a video game and even manages to hack into the servers and cheats death on multiple accounts. Not only that, but hes a gary stu who somehow manages to attract and rodeo plenty of girls and create himself a harem without any realization of this. Asuna herself showed no promise in a potentially usefull character as she was introduced as a strong women only to be forced as a shitty tsundere side character as well as a trapped maiden later on in the series. Suguha...shitty big tittied brocon, I dont need to say more. And the villain, he was just there and there was no motivation for his goals. He just trapped thousands of people for the sake of what? Evil? Cus he can?

Plot and story itself was awful. The pacing was horrendous. Half of the time there was no advancement for the story at all and all it had was shitty filler garbage. Im talking about Elizabeth, the murder case, the stupid honeymoon, the loli and the guild. And when it was time for the actual story to progress, they rush it giving no time for anything to build up. Im not going to bother with the Fairy arc cus I dropped this. Im not even going to deal with why they decide to go back to playing more videogames after that "traumatic" dealing they just had.
User avatar #940576 - cormy (05/13/2014) [-]
PERMISSION TO ARGUE ON WEEK-OLD THREAD SIR!?
#940577 - senjougahara (05/13/2014) [-]
Sure
User avatar #940580 - cormy (05/13/2014) [-]
Well, as Hentai­sweetie said, there's a lot of resemblance to the Matrix is that a lot of things work just because they do, though in this case there was in fact foreknowledge. I'm not sure if you missed it or what, but Kirito knows "everything" about the video game because he had been a beta tester for it for a good month or so. More than just a beta tester though, he had also hacked into the game while testing it, making him the most "experienced" user of all since he was able to get much further in the game that any of the other beta-testers thanks to his... Uhm. Perseverance I guess. Hence the "Beater" title that was given to him (Beta+Cheater=Beater)
Now the reason that a lot of things happen just 'cause they do is because the game takes commands directly from the brain in order to do things, this enables the possibility of forcing certain events that shouldn't normally happen.
In particular I'd like to bring your attention to this: arstechnica.com/gaming/2014/01/how-an-emulator-fueled-robot-reprogrammed-super-mario-world-on-the-fly/
So that's basically how I see the "magic" of the video-game BS that goes on.
Now for the characters, I'm not sure what characterization introduction you really needed to make it possible to like someone. When I meet someone new on the streets, within the first minute I can have a pretty good idea of whether I like them or not and as we do more things together, I can get more or less attached to them depending on what I think of how they behave in various situations. I feel that this is honestly the best way to tell stories. Instead of having a huge ass chuck of prologue to set you into the show, you are thrown directly into the action and learn as you go. This makes for a far more exciting watch while you still get to know the relevant things about everyone when you need to. Considering this is in a virtual world with no backstory to it, most of the character info isn't needed besides their personalities that we see anyway
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User avatar #940582 - cormy (05/13/2014) [-]
To me, Kirito was just a very analytical guy who takes things in as they come but otherwise minds his own business. Sure you could say he was bland, but that doesn't make him a BAD character. Not everyone has to be at the end of a personality extreme like is the case with most main characters.
I don't really remember there being much to Asuna since the focus isn't on her much but I didn't find she was Tsundere in the slightest, sure she was reluctant about her feelings for the guy but she had real reason to be, he often seemed completely unconcerned with the well-being of others despite him having a hell of a lot more experience and strength than the other players. Her gradual inclination towards him was given pretty well imo, she certainly didn't stay tsundere throughout and I feel that her personality at the beginning was stable throughout, she just didn't have anything left to hide or debate once they really started the relationship, she could just be herself then and she was happy with that.
I haven't seen the show in a while so my memory about it all is probably pretty hazy so I won't go into details concerning the secondary characters so I'mma move on to pacing.
Keep in mind this is a game with a very basic setup. I certainly would've liked to see more dungeon bosses just 'cause I'm interested in that sort of thing but it would've gotten repetitive. What was important was showing the life that had grown in the virtual reality. Remember they were in there for 2 years. I thought it was great that they showed what was going on with the rest of the population and didn't just concentrate on constant dungeon runs and training, which is basically all that ever went on outside of the weaker towns.
Bad guy: Yeah, he did trap them all because he could. He was your average power-hungry "emperor" as far as I'm aware... But he lost sight of that because 2 years had passed with him just watching. He was uploaded to the game and his real self was dead
User avatar #940583 - cormy (05/13/2014) [-]
The "filler" to me was just to show that there was a real sense of loss for a lot of people in there, because people really were dying. Some of the filler gave you chances to actually get attached to the people in there, which I did.
I really liked the guild and loli-side stories.
2nd Arc doesn't exist.
It just doesn't.
k, I done now Senjougahara
User avatar #940593 - senjougahara (05/13/2014) [-]
Like I said, its been done before and in this case it wasnt very good. When I watch a show that takes place in a virtual reality like SAO or Log Horizon, I expect some sort of world building background and how the game works. Log Horizon does this approach and the players are actually in the game as well. The show takes the time to explain how each spell/attack and mechanic works as well as any HP/Magic and armor buffs. Hell it evens expands on the character classes and their abilities. I didnt see any approach with this for SAO aside from the HUD displays which didnt mean shit either way.

Hacking into a game doesnt make you a better experienced player. Thats just bad writing. You expect me to believe out of all the thousands of players who beta tested, he was the only one to do so?

When I mean characterization I want someone who changes throughout the show. Build upon their personalities and see them grow from who they were You can build and grow as you go. I wanna know who they were before all of this, what they did, why they are playing the games. And when you introduce as many characters like SAO did, I expect them to at least be relevant to the story. SAO showed so many that they practically fell off aside from popping in once or twice, im looking at that black dude, the dragon loli, and that guy with the bandana from the first ep. I know absolutely nothing of them aside that they are just there to help Kirito cus hes such a swell guy and we all love him.
Which takes me to the next point, why do people love Kirito? What makes him so fucking fascinating? Hes a gary stu. A kid with no prior knowledge of computer engineering and video coding has the capacity to hack into a multibillion video game project and get away with it. In game he somehow already knows about hidden levels and weapons and even manages to hack in game to revive himself. If he could do that, why hasnt he done that in the first place to save his ass out of the fucking game It makes no sense
User avatar #940594 - senjougahara (05/13/2014) [-]
I refer to my point from the previous comment for Asuna. Tsundere may have been an over exaggeration but why introduce her in the first episodes as a strong soloist only to bog her done as a weak maiden in the later episodes? Why did she fall in love with him in the first place? She was irrelevant throughout the entirety of the first half of the show and only showed importance in the last few episodes from it as a damsel instead of the hard headed strong player she oughted to be in the first place.

The pacing was horrid. It focused too much on small filler that didnt matter. No the guild episodes were not important, nor was the dragon loli and Elizabeth. What was the point? Only to have them fall in love with Kirito? Skip those episodes and you will miss absolutely nothing. If you're going to have a huge focus on trying to escape from a fucking video game, I expect you to keep at it without deviating into unnecessary shit like the murder mystery episode. You put so much emphasize on how much you dread the game and how you want to go back into the real world, and here we are seeing our MC building his harem of girls and doing stupid quest that dont matter to the story. You had two years to escape. Two, and you focused it on loligagging. Log Horizon has the same predicament and yet they did it better. Instead of making escape their primary goal, they mostly focused on living ingame and trying to make the best of it.

>He forgot
Uploading yourself in the game is one thing, but having your "advanced" replicated mind turned into an AI forget your primary goal is fucking ridiculous. Billions of dollars for an ingenious plan only to have it forgotten by faulty coding, or bad writing.

I resort once again to my characterization retort. 1 fucking episode is not enough to get emotionally attached to characters who you knew nothing of. I cant take the show seriously if it goes on killing off useless characters that dont have any use in the story.
User avatar #940795 - cormy (05/13/2014) [-]
He may not have been the only one to hack, but he was the one who got the furthest doing it. That is stated in the show and I kind of just assumed that he had some knowledge in coding since he was accepted as a beta tester and did hack the game.
SAO's game mechanics didn't really concern me all that much since it was mostly the player's fighting capabilities that mattered rather than their overall character strength. A lot of reflex and precision was needed along with strategy to beat things and if you fucked up at all, you died. Kinda makes me think of Dark Souls actually, where nearly every enemy can be beat at any level as long as you don't let them hit you. This of course didn't apply in the fairy Arc where everything was purely skill-based.
In my head, he is more experienced because he got further so he learned more than others. There is always a top player, no matter how many hack. Kirito just happened to be that one guy that pushed himself more than the others. Really I was expecting more beaters to show up but it wasn't all that important and neither were the mmo mechanics imo
I'd say the main problem with characters popping in and out is Kirito himself, he always played solo and then wandered aimlessly when he took breaks from farming. The characters that do like him, like him because of what he did at the start of the series. He helped a lot of them out and gave them direction in the game. They didn't even really help him, they just all had the goal in mind of beating those dungeons so they worked together. I'd say most people like him cause he saved their lives.
He gets away with the hacking cause it's all run by one crazy guy who actually WANTED someone to challenge him in-game. That can be seen by a few things like giving him the dual-sword wielding capability. I don't think his hacking abilities have infinite influence, mostly just affects himself much like Neo would. Even if he did hack himself a way out, he wouldn't be helping anyone inside at all.
User avatar #940800 - cormy (05/13/2014) [-]
I can't really defend that too much but I don't find that it makes for a bad show, tons of shows ignore "little" details like that for the sake of plot.
I'm not sure what makes you think Asuna became a damsel... I don't remember that at all. Hell she had to save Kirito from that asshole guild guy who poisoned him. She fared pretty well there and that's pretty far into the show. She certainly goes to the end dungeons with everyone else aswell. Her not appearing throughout the first half is because of the show viewing everything from Kirito's perspective, who never went into large groups 'til the very end, especially after the incident where that ONE small guild that he DID join got wiped out right in front of him. Since Asuna was basically leading the strongest guild in the game, she couldn't really afford to run around looking for Kirito.
I can't understand how you can say the filler didn't matter, even if some of them were just single episodes, I was able to get attached to the characters and got some feels when they were ransacked. I found those moments were quite important to Kirito's character. Those events helped push him towards wanting to destroy the game completely. If you skip those episodes, you miss a lot of the backstory to why he gets so upset about certain things. It's important driving factors for him. I dunno about you, but I probably wouldn't be able to constantly train and farm for 2 years straight in order to escape a game. Between episodes there are MONTHS that pass. So most of the "serious" stuff happens between episodes and as I said, it would get repetitive to see them doing dungeons all the time so they don't show it.
I don't think the game was ever meant to take full consciousnesses uploaded to it, he just kind of abused that power 'cause he was dying and wanted to try it out.
User avatar #940805 - cormy (05/13/2014) [-]
senjougahara, reply to me by PM, there's a bigger character coutn there =)
User avatar #934232 - MillionsKnives (05/05/2014) [-]
I do enjoy when they stop talking after finally getting explained why it's bad.
#933836 - redclover (05/05/2014) [-]
#116 - I thought something was strange at the camel one. 05/05/2014 on Random Fact Comp. 21 0
#178 - They covered that last one in xxxHolic. 05/05/2014 on Random Fact Comp. 21 0
#933794 - It's labeled as season 2 on Netflix.  [+] (1 new reply) 05/05/2014 on Anime & Manga - anime... 0
#933798 - makotoitou (05/05/2014) [-]
>netflix
>dubbed
#933793 - It's dubbed and on Netflix.  [+] (2 new replies) 05/05/2014 on Anime & Manga - anime... 0
User avatar #933807 - sniffyy (05/05/2014) [-]
2 cour =/= 2 seasons
#933808 - sniffyy (05/05/2014) [-]
> netflix
>right
#933789 - I thought is was stupid to put an insest relationship in there…  [+] (1 new reply) 05/05/2014 on Anime & Manga - anime... 0
User avatar #933791 - makotoitou (05/05/2014) [-]
Are you sure you liked it? Are you sure it wasn't shit?
#933774 - I just got finished watching SAO. This is my opinion on it.  [+] (42 new replies) 05/05/2014 on Anime & Manga - anime... -3
User avatar #934035 - warbob (05/05/2014) [-]
The anime had good action and somewhat decent plot with a plot twist or 2. I liked it and I generally like animes of this genre (fantasy , swords , magic AND BONUS - being in a game).

HOWEVER I do admit that it is overpraised by a lot AND over-hated by a lot as well. Truly speaking it was slightly above average for it's genre. The ENTIRE story however is by far one of the best things I have read (yes , I refer to the light novels). The entire story at it's fullest is by far one of the best things I have read seeing that it manages to entertwain both high-paced fighting , human nature and psychology , dark characters(altho LN is a bit censored , the original web novel contains rape at some point for example) and still be funny and casual most of the time.

Long story short , it's a great story that is definetly no shounen as most people think it to be. The anime barely gives a glimpse of the storyline and doesn't even show the psychological moments and etc. Even the "fillers" or spin-off small stories are great to the point of switching to criminal short stories.
I highly recommend reading it.
User avatar #934470 - hentaisweetie (05/06/2014) [-]
Who gets raped? Asunas real body?
User avatar #934612 - warbob (05/06/2014) [-]
no, at around volume 12-ish he is in a world filled with smart AI NPCs and one of the acquintances is raped by a noble (in the web version) or is just about to get raped (in the light novel version).
#933933 - fargfive (05/05/2014) [-]
I'll admit I got pretty hyped during the first arc.
But the second arc, seriously?

If we for a moment take the hypothetical stance that SAO was good, then the second arc was still bullshit. In reality, SAO was sub-average at best, making the second arc absolutely horrible.

SAO is high school creative writing assignment-tier wish fulfillment in its purest form, and that's putting it lightly. I'm glad you enjoyed it though. That makes one of us.
#933852 - DmOnZ (05/05/2014) [-]
>Absolutely anything to deal with SAO
#933849 - cosmicapprentice (05/05/2014) [-]
No.
User avatar #933896 - thechosentroll (05/05/2014) [-]
gloop gloop gloop gloop gloop
#933898 - cosmicapprentice (05/05/2014) [-]
Kirito's face when hearing that story.
User avatar #933824 - redclover (05/05/2014) [-]
season 2 hasn't aired yet...
you're talking about the 2nd story arc of season 1

but you're still wrong
User avatar #933827 - hentaisweetie (05/05/2014) [-]
about?
User avatar #933832 - redclover (05/05/2014) [-]
that arc one was anything like the matrix and/or good
and that anyone liked the 2nd arc
even die hard SAO fans hate the 2nd arc
User avatar #933893 - tormain (05/05/2014) [-]
The fairies where gay, the incest was wrong but the fights were pretty good.
They toke the best part from the LN's out of the series though, and for that I hate them.
#933812 - senjougahara (05/05/2014) [-]
SAO'splotinanutshell
User avatar #933816 - hentaisweetie (05/05/2014) [-]
It was the matrix but with video games. How do you not like that concept.
User avatar #933817 - senjougahara (05/05/2014) [-]
Cus it was poorly done.
User avatar #933820 - hentaisweetie (05/05/2014) [-]
2nd 1/2 aside- explain.
#933829 - senjougahara (05/05/2014) [-]
The whole trapped in a video game setting has been done plenty of times. Most notably the .hack series. The whole MMO setting wasnt the main focus at all and felt tacked on visually. The show made no effort as to how any of the game mechanics worked or affected the game itself, only having "it just works" added into it.

Characters themselves were extremely bland and generic. No characterization was introduced at all making it impossible to like anyone. Kirito is an extremely bland MC, who somehow knows everything about a video game and even manages to hack into the servers and cheats death on multiple accounts. Not only that, but hes a gary stu who somehow manages to attract and rodeo plenty of girls and create himself a harem without any realization of this. Asuna herself showed no promise in a potentially usefull character as she was introduced as a strong women only to be forced as a shitty tsundere side character as well as a trapped maiden later on in the series. Suguha...shitty big tittied brocon, I dont need to say more. And the villain, he was just there and there was no motivation for his goals. He just trapped thousands of people for the sake of what? Evil? Cus he can?

Plot and story itself was awful. The pacing was horrendous. Half of the time there was no advancement for the story at all and all it had was shitty filler garbage. Im talking about Elizabeth, the murder case, the stupid honeymoon, the loli and the guild. And when it was time for the actual story to progress, they rush it giving no time for anything to build up. Im not going to bother with the Fairy arc cus I dropped this. Im not even going to deal with why they decide to go back to playing more videogames after that "traumatic" dealing they just had.
User avatar #940576 - cormy (05/13/2014) [-]
PERMISSION TO ARGUE ON WEEK-OLD THREAD SIR!?
#940577 - senjougahara (05/13/2014) [-]
Sure
User avatar #940580 - cormy (05/13/2014) [-]
Well, as Hentai­sweetie said, there's a lot of resemblance to the Matrix is that a lot of things work just because they do, though in this case there was in fact foreknowledge. I'm not sure if you missed it or what, but Kirito knows "everything" about the video game because he had been a beta tester for it for a good month or so. More than just a beta tester though, he had also hacked into the game while testing it, making him the most "experienced" user of all since he was able to get much further in the game that any of the other beta-testers thanks to his... Uhm. Perseverance I guess. Hence the "Beater" title that was given to him (Beta+Cheater=Beater)
Now the reason that a lot of things happen just 'cause they do is because the game takes commands directly from the brain in order to do things, this enables the possibility of forcing certain events that shouldn't normally happen.
In particular I'd like to bring your attention to this: arstechnica.com/gaming/2014/01/how-an-emulator-fueled-robot-reprogrammed-super-mario-world-on-the-fly/
So that's basically how I see the "magic" of the video-game BS that goes on.
Now for the characters, I'm not sure what characterization introduction you really needed to make it possible to like someone. When I meet someone new on the streets, within the first minute I can have a pretty good idea of whether I like them or not and as we do more things together, I can get more or less attached to them depending on what I think of how they behave in various situations. I feel that this is honestly the best way to tell stories. Instead of having a huge ass chuck of prologue to set you into the show, you are thrown directly into the action and learn as you go. This makes for a far more exciting watch while you still get to know the relevant things about everyone when you need to. Considering this is in a virtual world with no backstory to it, most of the character info isn't needed besides their personalities that we see anyway
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User avatar #940582 - cormy (05/13/2014) [-]
To me, Kirito was just a very analytical guy who takes things in as they come but otherwise minds his own business. Sure you could say he was bland, but that doesn't make him a BAD character. Not everyone has to be at the end of a personality extreme like is the case with most main characters.
I don't really remember there being much to Asuna since the focus isn't on her much but I didn't find she was Tsundere in the slightest, sure she was reluctant about her feelings for the guy but she had real reason to be, he often seemed completely unconcerned with the well-being of others despite him having a hell of a lot more experience and strength than the other players. Her gradual inclination towards him was given pretty well imo, she certainly didn't stay tsundere throughout and I feel that her personality at the beginning was stable throughout, she just didn't have anything left to hide or debate once they really started the relationship, she could just be herself then and she was happy with that.
I haven't seen the show in a while so my memory about it all is probably pretty hazy so I won't go into details concerning the secondary characters so I'mma move on to pacing.
Keep in mind this is a game with a very basic setup. I certainly would've liked to see more dungeon bosses just 'cause I'm interested in that sort of thing but it would've gotten repetitive. What was important was showing the life that had grown in the virtual reality. Remember they were in there for 2 years. I thought it was great that they showed what was going on with the rest of the population and didn't just concentrate on constant dungeon runs and training, which is basically all that ever went on outside of the weaker towns.
Bad guy: Yeah, he did trap them all because he could. He was your average power-hungry "emperor" as far as I'm aware... But he lost sight of that because 2 years had passed with him just watching. He was uploaded to the game and his real self was dead
User avatar #940583 - cormy (05/13/2014) [-]
The "filler" to me was just to show that there was a real sense of loss for a lot of people in there, because people really were dying. Some of the filler gave you chances to actually get attached to the people in there, which I did.
I really liked the guild and loli-side stories.
2nd Arc doesn't exist.
It just doesn't.
k, I done now Senjougahara
User avatar #940593 - senjougahara (05/13/2014) [-]
Like I said, its been done before and in this case it wasnt very good. When I watch a show that takes place in a virtual reality like SAO or Log Horizon, I expect some sort of world building background and how the game works. Log Horizon does this approach and the players are actually in the game as well. The show takes the time to explain how each spell/attack and mechanic works as well as any HP/Magic and armor buffs. Hell it evens expands on the character classes and their abilities. I didnt see any approach with this for SAO aside from the HUD displays which didnt mean shit either way.

Hacking into a game doesnt make you a better experienced player. Thats just bad writing. You expect me to believe out of all the thousands of players who beta tested, he was the only one to do so?

When I mean characterization I want someone who changes throughout the show. Build upon their personalities and see them grow from who they were You can build and grow as you go. I wanna know who they were before all of this, what they did, why they are playing the games. And when you introduce as many characters like SAO did, I expect them to at least be relevant to the story. SAO showed so many that they practically fell off aside from popping in once or twice, im looking at that black dude, the dragon loli, and that guy with the bandana from the first ep. I know absolutely nothing of them aside that they are just there to help Kirito cus hes such a swell guy and we all love him.
Which takes me to the next point, why do people love Kirito? What makes him so fucking fascinating? Hes a gary stu. A kid with no prior knowledge of computer engineering and video coding has the capacity to hack into a multibillion video game project and get away with it. In game he somehow already knows about hidden levels and weapons and even manages to hack in game to revive himself. If he could do that, why hasnt he done that in the first place to save his ass out of the fucking game It makes no sense
User avatar #940594 - senjougahara (05/13/2014) [-]
I refer to my point from the previous comment for Asuna. Tsundere may have been an over exaggeration but why introduce her in the first episodes as a strong soloist only to bog her done as a weak maiden in the later episodes? Why did she fall in love with him in the first place? She was irrelevant throughout the entirety of the first half of the show and only showed importance in the last few episodes from it as a damsel instead of the hard headed strong player she oughted to be in the first place.

The pacing was horrid. It focused too much on small filler that didnt matter. No the guild episodes were not important, nor was the dragon loli and Elizabeth. What was the point? Only to have them fall in love with Kirito? Skip those episodes and you will miss absolutely nothing. If you're going to have a huge focus on trying to escape from a fucking video game, I expect you to keep at it without deviating into unnecessary shit like the murder mystery episode. You put so much emphasize on how much you dread the game and how you want to go back into the real world, and here we are seeing our MC building his harem of girls and doing stupid quest that dont matter to the story. You had two years to escape. Two, and you focused it on loligagging. Log Horizon has the same predicament and yet they did it better. Instead of making escape their primary goal, they mostly focused on living ingame and trying to make the best of it.

>He forgot
Uploading yourself in the game is one thing, but having your "advanced" replicated mind turned into an AI forget your primary goal is fucking ridiculous. Billions of dollars for an ingenious plan only to have it forgotten by faulty coding, or bad writing.

I resort once again to my characterization retort. 1 fucking episode is not enough to get emotionally attached to characters who you knew nothing of. I cant take the show seriously if it goes on killing off useless characters that dont have any use in the story.
User avatar #940795 - cormy (05/13/2014) [-]
He may not have been the only one to hack, but he was the one who got the furthest doing it. That is stated in the show and I kind of just assumed that he had some knowledge in coding since he was accepted as a beta tester and did hack the game.
SAO's game mechanics didn't really concern me all that much since it was mostly the player's fighting capabilities that mattered rather than their overall character strength. A lot of reflex and precision was needed along with strategy to beat things and if you fucked up at all, you died. Kinda makes me think of Dark Souls actually, where nearly every enemy can be beat at any level as long as you don't let them hit you. This of course didn't apply in the fairy Arc where everything was purely skill-based.
In my head, he is more experienced because he got further so he learned more than others. There is always a top player, no matter how many hack. Kirito just happened to be that one guy that pushed himself more than the others. Really I was expecting more beaters to show up but it wasn't all that important and neither were the mmo mechanics imo
I'd say the main problem with characters popping in and out is Kirito himself, he always played solo and then wandered aimlessly when he took breaks from farming. The characters that do like him, like him because of what he did at the start of the series. He helped a lot of them out and gave them direction in the game. They didn't even really help him, they just all had the goal in mind of beating those dungeons so they worked together. I'd say most people like him cause he saved their lives.
He gets away with the hacking cause it's all run by one crazy guy who actually WANTED someone to challenge him in-game. That can be seen by a few things like giving him the dual-sword wielding capability. I don't think his hacking abilities have infinite influence, mostly just affects himself much like Neo would. Even if he did hack himself a way out, he wouldn't be helping anyone inside at all.
User avatar #940800 - cormy (05/13/2014) [-]
I can't really defend that too much but I don't find that it makes for a bad show, tons of shows ignore "little" details like that for the sake of plot.
I'm not sure what makes you think Asuna became a damsel... I don't remember that at all. Hell she had to save Kirito from that asshole guild guy who poisoned him. She fared pretty well there and that's pretty far into the show. She certainly goes to the end dungeons with everyone else aswell. Her not appearing throughout the first half is because of the show viewing everything from Kirito's perspective, who never went into large groups 'til the very end, especially after the incident where that ONE small guild that he DID join got wiped out right in front of him. Since Asuna was basically leading the strongest guild in the game, she couldn't really afford to run around looking for Kirito.
I can't understand how you can say the filler didn't matter, even if some of them were just single episodes, I was able to get attached to the characters and got some feels when they were ransacked. I found those moments were quite important to Kirito's character. Those events helped push him towards wanting to destroy the game completely. If you skip those episodes, you miss a lot of the backstory to why he gets so upset about certain things. It's important driving factors for him. I dunno about you, but I probably wouldn't be able to constantly train and farm for 2 years straight in order to escape a game. Between episodes there are MONTHS that pass. So most of the "serious" stuff happens between episodes and as I said, it would get repetitive to see them doing dungeons all the time so they don't show it.
I don't think the game was ever meant to take full consciousnesses uploaded to it, he just kind of abused that power 'cause he was dying and wanted to try it out.
User avatar #940805 - cormy (05/13/2014) [-]
senjougahara, reply to me by PM, there's a bigger character coutn there =)
User avatar #934232 - MillionsKnives (05/05/2014) [-]
I do enjoy when they stop talking after finally getting explained why it's bad.
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User avatar #933790 - sniffyy (05/05/2014) [-]
the second season hasnt even aired
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#933793 - hentaisweetie (05/05/2014) [-]
It's dubbed and on Netflix.
User avatar #933807 - sniffyy (05/05/2014) [-]
2 cour =/= 2 seasons
#933808 - sniffyy (05/05/2014) [-]
> netflix
>right
User avatar #933792 - makotoitou (05/05/2014) [-]
he's one of those fags that think "hurr 24 epsidoes = 2 seasons"
User avatar #933794 - hentaisweetie (05/05/2014) [-]
It's labeled as season 2 on Netflix.
#933798 - makotoitou (05/05/2014) [-]
>netflix
>dubbed
User avatar #933785 - adunsaveme (05/05/2014) [-]
[judging you because I can't respect opinions]
User avatar #933783 - makotoitou (05/05/2014) [-]
>liking S2
Into the trash you go
User avatar #933789 - hentaisweetie (05/05/2014) [-]
I thought is was stupid to put an insest relationship in there but after seeing S2s flaws, all became ok once Sugo got his. Then they did it again in the real world. God I loved those parts
User avatar #933791 - makotoitou (05/05/2014) [-]
Are you sure you liked it? Are you sure it wasn't shit?
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Its from one of the Baby Herman shorts you get on the DVD. Have a look on Youtube, they're probably there
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