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#166 - wow!  [+] (1 reply) 09/06/2013 on Some stuff 0
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#276 - supersaiyajin (09/07/2013) [-]
Just sayin'...
#53 - no worries!  [+] (2 replies) 09/06/2013 on Some stuff -15
#61 - trollchildxy (09/06/2013) [-]
In english, it is not taught to say one hundred and one. You say one hundred one, one hundred two, one hundred three, etc. To say one hundred and one implies an equation, you are adding one to one hundred, this is just a shortened colloquialism of the longer equation. 100+1 = 101 is actually written as "The sum of one hundred and one is one hundred one."

See what i mean? Take a class on the Language of Algebra, it's actually fairly interesting to think about how you might write ((345 + 143) / (6+65))^2 and such equations.

Sorry, mathnerd rant over. Have a free picture of my buddy.
#160 - alexanderh (09/06/2013) [-]
Actually, americans don't say and, while the british do.

source: www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBbBbY4qvv4
#50 - Yes I do... YOU may NOT but thats a different story  [+] (4 replies) 09/06/2013 on Some stuff -20
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#51 - assdoreponyfucker (09/06/2013) [-]
Thanks for the thumbs down
#53 - hadders (09/06/2013) [-]
no worries!
#61 - trollchildxy (09/06/2013) [-]
In english, it is not taught to say one hundred and one. You say one hundred one, one hundred two, one hundred three, etc. To say one hundred and one implies an equation, you are adding one to one hundred, this is just a shortened colloquialism of the longer equation. 100+1 = 101 is actually written as "The sum of one hundred and one is one hundred one."

See what i mean? Take a class on the Language of Algebra, it's actually fairly interesting to think about how you might write ((345 + 143) / (6+65))^2 and such equations.

Sorry, mathnerd rant over. Have a free picture of my buddy.
#160 - alexanderh (09/06/2013) [-]
Actually, americans don't say and, while the british do.

source: www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBbBbY4qvv4
#35 - Maybe true in the US... definitely not in the UK; you'd never …  [+] (11 replies) 09/05/2013 on Some stuff -9
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#46 - xdeathspawnx (09/06/2013) [-]
Actually it is't a case of "us yanks" being lazy. many people use "and" when it's not needed in the US too, but that doesn't mean its correct. Just because you hear people saying it a lot doesn't mean it is the right way for it to be used. I'm almost positive that if you asked a mathematician from any English speaking country, they would tell you that "and" is used to represent the decimal point in a number.

As for aluminum, you might have had a point if Americans spelled it the same way, but we don't. We pronounce it the way we spell it, which is aluminum. Its no different than the American spelling math or the English spelling maths. Both spellings can be considered right depending on where you are.


Don't assume that the way you speak is automatically correct just because you were born in England.
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#197 - anonymoose (09/06/2013) [-]
I've never heard of it being used for decimal point, but I do use it for 101.
#163 - alexanderh (09/06/2013) [-]
The language originated there, so naturally, you'd expect it to be the correct way of doing it.
#251 - xdeathspawnx (09/06/2013) [-]
you didn't read my post correctly. This isn't a case of the American way vs. the British way. Using "and" in the wrong place when reading a number is a common mistake in all English speaking countries. If you asked an expert in the field of math from any English speaking country, they would tell you that "and" is reserved for the decimal point. You would have a point if this was something that Americans decided to change, but it isn't.

www.webmath.com/_answer.php
This is a program that tells you how to say a number out loud. When you put in 101, you can clearly see that it is pronounced one hundred one, not one hundred and one.
#252 - alexanderh (09/06/2013) [-]
Watch this video: www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBbBbY4qvv4

and tell me that I'm still wrong.
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#253 - xdeathspawnx (09/06/2013) [-]
Do you live in America, because I do. I hear people in America say one hundred and one all of the time, it isn't something that is uncommon. The fact that more people make a mistake in England than in America does not make the mistake correct. As I said before, saying a number without the "and" is not something that originated in America, it is something that all mathematicians have agreed upon, not just the ones in the US. In normal conversation I don't care how a person says it, I'm sure I have made the mistake before without realizing it. However, when someone (Referring to hadder, not you) tries to use a an incorrect fact to support their opinion, and then tell me that I'm the one who is wrong because I am a lazy American, I will correct them on it.
#255 - alexanderh (09/06/2013) [-]
No, I live in Denmark. And I'd like to know where you have your facts from. I'm curious as to who told you "one hundred one" was the correct way of saying it, especially since most english speaking people say it like "one hundred and one", along with most non-english european countries as well.

It just seems weird that scientists would pick a method that deviates from common language, along with almost all european languages, while not providing much, if any, benefit. And I have never seen or heard of "100.1" being referred to as "one hundred and one", that's just asking for confusion and misunderstandings.
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#257 - xdeathspawnx (09/06/2013) [-]
I am getting my facts from websites like www.webmath.com/saynum.html and from many teachers I have had in the past. The set of rules for reading numbers are very difficult to explain in text, especially because of how often people make mistakes when doing it, but i'll do my best:

-the number 101 is always read as "one hundred one"

-the number 100.1 is always read as "one hundred and one tenth."

-"and" is always reserved for reading out decimals.

-this does not mean that "and" automatically equals a decimal, but that it can only be used when reading out decimals. for example "one hundred and one" does not equal 100.1, because you don't have the "one tenth," but it also isn't equal to 101 because of the "and" being there.

-this means that the phrase "one hundred and one" technically doesn't correspond to any number because it doesn't follow either of the two patterns above.

I understand that these rules don't always apply to general conversation, and I don't necessarily think that they are the best way to read out numbers. However, they are still official rules or mathematics.

the reason that we have specific ways to read numbers is so that there would be an official way to read out numbers. This is needed because 102.1 could be read as "one hundred two and 1 tenth," "one hundred two point 1," "one hundred and two and one tenth," "one hundred and two point one" "one hundred two plus 1 tenth," "one hundred two plus point one," and many, many other different ways. With all of these ways they needed something that was standard.

The reason that people want to read 101 as "one hundred and one" is that we are trained to put an "and" before the last object in a list. for example you say eggs, milk, and butter instead of eggs, milk, butter. When reading out a long number your brain thinks you are reading out a list, and makes you want to put an "and" before the last number.

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#258 - xdeathspawnx (09/06/2013) [-]
when reading the number 1,100,101 you start reading it as "one million, one hundred thousand, one hundred..." which is basically a list. Because you are used to putting the and before the last object, you will often read it as "one million, one hundred thousand, one hundred, and one." instead of the correct "one million, one hundred thousand, one hundred one." This is the reason for people making the mistake in the first place. Kids also hear their parents making this mistake and assume that it is the right way to say a number, leading to more and more people making the mistake.

As to why mathematicians would make these rules when they aren't already the standard:
My understanding is that these rules have been the standard for a long time, and that the common spoken language is the thing that has changed, not the rules. Instead of mathematicians deviating from the common language, it has actually been the common language that has deviated from the rules that were set forward. However, in the past couple of years many schools have made the effort to teach students these rules because they have realized they have fallen out of favor and want kids to be able to read numbers the right way.
#259 - alexanderh (09/06/2013) [-]
If it's the common language that has deviated, the rules should follow that. There's no reason to have rules if they are never followed. The rules and guidelines should be updated to reflect the most common way to pronounce words and sentences. Either that, or we need to implement an international standard that goes between languages, to help alleviate this problem, and "enforce" these rules by always teaching it this way.
Honestly, I feel the scientists are in the wrong here. Adding the "and" makes the language similar to most other western countries, and it has a better ring to it, making the language more fluid.

This is, of course, all just my opinion.
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#262 - xdeathspawnx (09/06/2013) [-]
I assume that eventually the rules will be changed. As I said before I don't necessarily agree with them but they are technically still the rules at this point in time, which is why I got angry at the OP of this thread's original comment.
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