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#2 - "Become god" well... 08/01/2013 on Revenge for Charles! 0
#38176 - by bible logic , atleast by old testament if its not written i…  [+] (5 new replies) 08/01/2013 on Religion Board +1
User avatar #38177 - zatchattack (08/01/2013) [-]
But if human like intelligent life was found on other planets do you think that would effect religious beliefs here on Earth?
User avatar #38178 - ginginhunter (08/01/2013) [-]
As would a number burn would effect a stubborn cow , maybe a little at the start but itll die out , and theyll make up something around the lines of :" and then god said fuck this and made another world out of nothing"
User avatar #38179 - zatchattack (08/01/2013) [-]
You would think after they found out that God was cheating on them with another race from another planet, that they would be alittle upset. Lol.
User avatar #38180 - ginginhunter (08/01/2013) [-]
eh , as usual
User avatar #38181 - ginginhunter (08/01/2013) [-]
>religious people
God, i thought something special
>God
nah , youll be dead by next year , no biggie
#38175 - just to be clear , im not trying to be a satanist , simply a r… 08/01/2013 on Religion Board 0
#38174 - So i started reading the satanic bible and i was kindof intriu…  [+] (86 new replies) 08/01/2013 on Religion Board 0
User avatar #38230 - Cambro (08/02/2013) [-]
The Satanic Bible is actually very similar to Nietzscheism. Its also pretty much the opposite of the Sermon on the Mount. Sermon on the Mount: blessed are the weak and poor in spirit. Satanic Bible: Blessed are the powerful, for they can seize what they desire. Sermon on the Mount: Turn the other cheek. Satanic Bible: Crush those who oppose you. And so on. Nietzsche's whole philosophy was that the powerful should rule and it would advance society and civilization. He was also Hitler's favorite philosopher and wished to push on eugenics.
User avatar #38279 - ginginhunter (08/02/2013) [-]
As i said down in the comment , im no satanist but i do agree with most of the rules , but even if would choose to follow the satanist ways i would only choose the vital rules to apply and even make them a bit lighter on the violent scale
User avatar #38320 - metalmind (08/02/2013) [-]
I know a LaVeyan satanist and a regular Satanist, and they are both genuinley nice, very respectful people.
(The only time the one has gone violent was when he beat up a couple of bullies a few years ago)
User avatar #38218 - poncakeforlife (08/01/2013) [-]
In my opinion LaVeyan Satanism is just regular Atheism with a bunch of goth elements to make it seem cooler.
User avatar #38281 - ginginhunter (08/02/2013) [-]
yes but it does explain things , and make you have a different look on life
User avatar #38184 - jokeface (08/01/2013) [-]
Sounds violent to me.
User avatar #38212 - metalmind (08/01/2013) [-]
Not a bit as violent ás the Bible.
And atleast it forbids rape.
User avatar #38221 - jokeface (08/01/2013) [-]
First of all, I'm not saying the Bible isn't violent too, but the violence in the Bible is all in the past, and it is discouraged now, whereas Satanism encourages violence even now.

Second of all, dude, nowhere in the Bible does it say rape is okay. The closest it comes to saying that is that is when it says men could take women to be their wives against their will, but even then sex sill had to be consensual. Look:

www.gotquestions.org/Bible-rape.html
User avatar #38223 - metalmind (08/01/2013) [-]
Stop posting that link and read my answer I wrote last time:
It leaves out the parts where it specifically allows rape.
Simply leaving something out while twisting the Bible, which is a form of dishonesty, is not a valid counterargument.
User avatar #38228 - jokeface (08/02/2013) [-]
Then show me where the Bible allows it. Please.
User avatar #38289 - metalmind (08/02/2013) [-]
Alright, I'll send it soon.
User avatar #38295 - jokeface (08/02/2013) [-]
I look forward to it.
User avatar #38307 - metalmind (08/02/2013) [-]
sorry, was gone.
Deuteronomy 22:28
Here you go:"If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; 29 Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days."
So a man my rape a virgin and "keep her", as long as he pays a small fine.

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User avatar #38345 - jokeface (08/03/2013) [-]
As with before, you've given me a lot to respond too, so once again please give me time to reply to all of these.

To start off, this one says nothing about rape. It just says he can take her as a wife, nothing more. And also, the initial sexual act that causes him to take her as his wife isn't specified as rape, just sex.
#38392 - metalmind (08/03/2013) [-]
Deuteronomy 22:28
Here you go:"If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; 29 Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days."

So the initial act is actually rape.
This means that the punishment for rape would be that the woman, should she have benn a Virgin, and therefore ellligable to be married, must marry the man.
This does not sound fair to me.
I'm willing to concede that marriage obviously does not eqate sex, but forcing a woman to marry her rapist is still wrong.
User avatar #38413 - jokeface (08/03/2013) [-]
I have another link for you. This one focuses on the specific meanings behind the Hebrew words used in Deuteronomy that actually have an impact on the meaning of the text. Further, it explains why marrying one's rapist was actually beneficial to the victim in that time period:

bigbiblequestions.blogspot.com/2011/12/what-does-bible-say-about-rape.html
User avatar #38403 - jokeface (08/03/2013) [-]
Then we can argue that in a different discussion. But the point of this discussion is that God never commands rape or even says it's okay. If the act described in this verse is in fact rape, then okay, but God did not sanction it. He only sanctioned the consequence of it.
User avatar #38409 - metalmind (08/03/2013) [-]
No, not a different discussion, since this was about that the Bible alows rape.
I showed you a scene where it does, and the rapist gets the woman afterwards, and now you acnowledge that it is in there, just as I showed you and we both move on.
I personally don't believe God sanctioned or condamned anything ever, since I see the evidence for him lacking, so I'll very gladly give you that point.
But the Bible still says that the punishment for rape is on the girl.
User avatar #38410 - jokeface (08/03/2013) [-]
The Bible does not allow the initial rape though! Why is that so hard for you to understand?? It says what happens after a rape occurs but it does not say that rape is okay. The rape should never happen, ever. But if someone breaks the rules and does it anyway, then there's a protocol to follow. But that's only if someone violates the no-rape rule.
User avatar #38374 - metalmind (08/03/2013) [-]
Taking women as unwilling wifes, or in other words sleeping with them against their will IS rape.

If she doesn't consent to it it IS rape.
User avatar #38376 - jokeface (08/03/2013) [-]
Yes, forced SEX is rape. Forced MARRIAGE on the other hand is not. The men could take them as wives but if they wanted to fuck them it still had to be consensual.
User avatar #38383 - metalmind (08/03/2013) [-]
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User avatar #38380 - metalmind (08/03/2013) [-]
<look who's twisting the words of the Bibnle now.
According to the Bible women did not have to consent in marriages.
And that's rape.

Brb, got important stuff to do.
User avatar #38387 - jokeface (08/03/2013) [-]
I'm done. You're not even trying to argue now, you're just repeating the same shit over and over. I don't debate with broken records.
User avatar #38390 - metalmind (08/03/2013) [-]
Yes, it's pointless to try to debate with you, since we have different definitions of rape and of what is wrong.
Bye.
User avatar #38367 - metalmind (08/03/2013) [-]
"and lay hold on her"
Does it sound like consentual sex if you hold somebody down to be able to do it?
User avatar #38308 - metalmind (08/02/2013) [-]
Numbers Chapter 31

7 And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males.

8 And they slew the kings of Midian, beside the rest of them that were slain; [namely], Evi, and Rekem, and Zur, and Hur, and Reba, five kings of Midian: Balaam also the son of Beor they slew with the sword.

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User avatar #38346 - jokeface (08/03/2013) [-]
Yea, um, "slew" is the past tense of "slay" which means "kill". I would think someone like you would know that.
User avatar #38366 - metalmind (08/03/2013) [-]
And I would think that someone like you would know that 7 and 8 are followerd by 9-18, and just separated by the poster because they were to long.
And no reason to get pissed or insulting.
User avatar #38382 - jokeface (08/03/2013) [-]
Why would you cite verses 7 and 8 if you're trying to draw attention to verses 9-18?
User avatar #38384 - metalmind (08/03/2013) [-]
So you can't say I took the Important verse out of context.
User avatar #38309 - metalmind (08/02/2013) [-]
9 And the children of Israel took [all] the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods.

10 And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all their goodly castles, with fire.

11 And they took all the spoil, and all the prey, [both] of men and of beasts.

12 And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and unto the congregation of the children of Israel, unto the camp at the plains of Moab, which [are] by Jordan [near] Jericho.

13 And Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and all the princes of the congregation, went forth to meet them without the camp.

14 And Moses was wroth with the officers of the host, [with] the captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, which came from the battle.

15 And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive?

16 Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD.

17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.

18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

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User avatar #38347 - jokeface (08/03/2013) [-]
Again, that's not a green light to rape. It just means taking them as wives.
User avatar #38372 - metalmind (08/03/2013) [-]
Taking women as unwilling wifes, or in other words sleeping with them against their will IS rape.
If you go to a neighbouring town, grab a preteen virgin, drag her back to your village and then sleep with her, and marry her, that IS rape.
User avatar #38378 - jokeface (08/03/2013) [-]
Why do you keep equating marriage to sex? They're not the same thing.
User avatar #38310 - metalmind (08/02/2013) [-]
So, it's alright to rape as long as you fist kill all males and non-virgins of their people.
Sooo, the Bible wpuld have been ok with the rape of Poland?
That's immoral and despicable.
Just for fun:
Rights of female Israeli slaves:
Exodus 21:7
"If a man sells his daughter as a female slave, she is not to go free as the male slaves do."

Back to topic:
Zecharias 14:2
For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Woman shall be raped? Nice one, god.
Really nice of him to order that.

And btw:
The Bible says god created evil, its not due to mans free will, it's his:

Out of the mouth of the most High proceedeth not evil and good? (Lamentations 3:38)

Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? Shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it? (Amos 3:6, KJV)

And just because you like to throw arroung with links:
awaypoint.wordpress.com/2012/11/04/the-bible-says-yes-to-legitimate-rape-and-rape-babies/

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User avatar #38348 - jokeface (08/03/2013) [-]
As with another verse previously cited by you or someone else in a similar debate, that passage from Zechariah is a prophecy, not a command. God is just telling Jerusalem what's coming, not that he's specifically telling them to rape. He's just sending the enemies to them, but what the enemies do is their own doing.

Also, the word that was translated as "evil" in the verse is equally exchangeable with "troubles" and "ills" and similar words. All it means is that in addition to blessing people with prosperity He also gives us hardships and trials that we must overcome. It's not talking about evil in the sense of sin.

That's an interesting link, but understand that rape and pregnancy are separate things, and even if rape is the cause of pregnancy, that doesn't change the fact that the pregnancy is still a pregnancy, and it should be carried out regardless of the cause.
User avatar #38368 - metalmind (08/03/2013) [-]
That's nonsense, it's not prophecy when you tell people what you will go on to do.
When somebody tells " I will command them to rape", it's not a prophecy, it's a declaration of what you want to do.
User avatar #38381 - jokeface (08/03/2013) [-]
But He didn't command them to rape. He just sent them to Jerusalem. That's it.
User avatar #38391 - metalmind (08/03/2013) [-]
He send them there to pillage and rape.
It says it right there "the women shall be ravished".
User avatar #38404 - jokeface (08/03/2013) [-]
Like I said, that part is just prophecy. You know what else God did? He put the Tree of Knowledge in the Garden of Eden, and then put Adam and Eve there and told them not to eat it. So we already know God puts people in situations where they will sin even though He knows they will sin. This is just another example of that.
User avatar #38311 - metalmind (08/02/2013) [-]
Judges 21:10:
10 So the assembly sent twelve thousand fighting men with instructions to go to Jabesh Gilead and put to the sword those living there, including the women and children. 11 “This is what you are to do,” they said. “Kill every male and every woman who is not a virgin.” 12 They found among the people living in Jabesh Gilead four hundred young women who had never slept with a man, and they took them to the camp at Shiloh in Canaan.

Yay, one more great example of taking virgins and killing their people.
Man, god seems more and more like Hitler,
and the old Israelite armies more and more like the SS (I know, what crazy irony).
User avatar #38349 - jokeface (08/03/2013) [-]
Dude, please try harder. I'm getting bored already. This is the last time I'm going to say this, and if you do it again I'm just going to ignore the comment: This just talks about taking women as wives, not raping them.
User avatar #38364 - metalmind (08/03/2013) [-]
So it's not rape to forcefully take women from their home and "as your wife", which is the Biblical equivilent of sleeping with her.
Just like when the people come to the home of Lot, they say "they wanted to know them".
And that doesn't mean that they wanted to have a nice conversation, it, just as taking a woman as an unwilling wife, is synonymous to rape.
User avatar #38386 - jokeface (08/03/2013) [-]
Yes, the mob did want to have sex with the angels. I wasn't denying that that was about sex. But when it mentions taking wives, then there's a distinction.
User avatar #38312 - metalmind (08/02/2013) [-]
And yes, these rules and guidelines all apply to you Christians today:

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law [the Old Testament] until everything is accomplished. (Matthew 5:17-18)"
User avatar #38350 - jokeface (08/03/2013) [-]
This has nothing to do with this particular discussion. If you'd like to discuss that verse in a different thread, we can, but not right now.
User avatar #38363 - metalmind (08/03/2013) [-]
Just a fun fact for inbetween.
User avatar #38371 - metalmind (08/03/2013) [-]
So you know that these laws still apply to Christians.
User avatar #38313 - metalmind (08/02/2013) [-]
“But all the girls who have not known man intimately, spare for yourselves.19“And you, camp outside the camp seven days; whoever has killed any person and whoever has touched any slain, purify yourselves, you and your captives, on the third day and on the seventh day.20“You shall purify for yourselves every garment and every article of leather and all the work of goats’ hair, and all articles of wood.”

21Then Eleazar the priest said to the men of war who had gone to battle, “This is the statute of the law which the LORD has commanded Moses:22only the gold and the silver, the bronze, the iron, the tin and the lead,23everything that can stand the fire, you shall pass through the fire, and it shall be clean, but it shall be purified with water for impurity. But whatever cannot stand the fire you shall pass through the water.24“And you shall wash your clothes on the seventh day and be clean, and afterward you may enter the camp.”


How considerate of them, telling them to wait 7 Days before raping them, after having killed their family and their whole people, and even taking away their clothes, therefore removing all connections to their previous lifes, before, again, raping them.
How moral this book is, such beutiful stories. Now I understand why Christians read the Bible to their Children.
User avatar #38351 - jokeface (08/03/2013) [-]
I didn't see anything in those verses mentioning rape. Sorry.
User avatar #38370 - metalmind (08/03/2013) [-]
Taking women as unwilling wifes, or in other words sleeping with them against their will IS rape.
User avatar #38379 - jokeface (08/03/2013) [-]
Okay I'm done responding to this sentence.
User avatar #38315 - metalmind (08/02/2013) [-]
20 “You are welcome at my house,” the old man said. “Let me supply whatever you need. Only don’t spend the night in the square.” 21 So he took him into his house and fed his donkeys. After they had washed their feet, they had something to eat and drink.

22 While they were enjoying themselves, some of the wicked men of the city surrounded the house. Pounding on the door, they shouted to the old man who owned the house, “Bring out the man who came to your house so we can have sex with him.”

23 The owner of the house went outside and said to them, “No, my friends, don’t be so vile. Since this man is my guest, don’t do this disgraceful thing. 24 Look, here is my virgin daughter, and his concubine. I will bring them out to you now, and you can use them and do to them whatever you wish. But to this man, don’t do such a disgraceful thing.”

25 But the men would not listen to him. So the man took his concubine and sent her outside to them, and they raped her and abused her throughout the night, and at dawn they let her go. 26 At daybreak the woman went back to the house where her master was staying, fell down at the door and lay there until daylight.

27 When her master got up in the morning and opened the door of the house and stepped out to continue on his way, there lay his concubine, fallen in the doorway of the house, with her hands on the threshold. 28 He said to her, “Get up; let’s go.” But there was no answer. Then the man put her on his donkey and set out for home.

29 When he reached home, he took a knife and cut up his concubine, limb by limb, into twelve parts and sent them into all the areas of Israel.

Well, even more moral!
Let your concubine be raped, and since she slept with another man, play Hanibal Lector, cut her up, wrap her up, and you got yourself some nice presents for your neighbours or guests!
How, how fucking moral this book is!

Still think it's good?
User avatar #38352 - jokeface (08/03/2013) [-]
Cite this passage please.
User avatar #38362 - metalmind (08/03/2013) [-]
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User avatar #38316 - metalmind (08/02/2013) [-]
(Judges 19)
And now think of all the Christians in the USA, by now in the Millions, who want to revert to the laws of the Bible, and the Christian Republicans, who want to legalize rape, since the Bible allows it.
Now, this should be sufficient evidence that the Bible allows, and even commands rape.

And I took so long with my reply because I was gone, having a life that demands a lot of time.
User avatar #38353 - jokeface (08/03/2013) [-]
I've never heard of anyone who wants to legalize rape, but I do support reverting to Christian laws so long as the laws are the ones set forth by Jesus, as those are the most important in the Bible.
User avatar #38369 - metalmind (08/03/2013) [-]
I posted this in an earlier response.
At least read my responses before answering.
User avatar #38385 - jokeface (08/03/2013) [-]
Okay, I just read the whole article. I agree those politicians said some silly things, but I didn't see anything about legalizing rape, which you said they were trying to do.
User avatar #38318 - metalmind (08/02/2013) [-]
Got questions?
User avatar #38354 - jokeface (08/03/2013) [-]
No, but you can start offering rebuttals now.
User avatar #38361 - metalmind (08/03/2013) [-]
Alright. Morning.
User avatar #38319 - metalmind (08/02/2013) [-]
Whereas the Satanic Code is very clear on this:
Rule 5: "Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal."

www.funtrivia.com/en/subtopics/The-Eleven-Satanic-Rules-Of-The-Earth-211253.html
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User avatar #38188 - ginginhunter (08/01/2013) [-]
Yes, the satanist approach to life is pretty violent , but LaVely (the writer AKA the black pope) explains that this violent approach comes from opression from the holy church that manifests itself as a force called "Satan" , which is , as contrary to popular beilief, wishes to maintain the proud individual.

mainly the idea revolves under the barbaric rule called "the strongest survives and prospers while the weak dies in the process"
pretty extreme , but some theyre ideas are vital and right , only needs a bit "tuning" to a civilised society
#38210 - sircool (08/01/2013) [-]
so....satanists are sith while regular christians are jedi?

also, is it sad I compared my own faith to movie created one/one that only exists in australia
User avatar #38321 - metalmind (08/02/2013) [-]
Not really, all Satanists I've ever met were really nice.
User avatar #38278 - ginginhunter (08/02/2013) [-]
That is actually pretty accurate...

IMO satanism is a way better religion then christianity
User avatar #38190 - jokeface (08/01/2013) [-]
I see. I've read a tiny bit of Satanist literature, but only a very, very small amount. From what I gather (and tell me if I'm wrong) Satanism focuses on empowering the individual through self-gratification and social dominance, as opposed to the Christian way of living, which encourages humility and submission to a higher power. Logistically, I think I get it, but it still seems, as you say, barbaric. Also, I don't know what Satanists believe about the afterlife. Do they even believe in one?
User avatar #38216 - eight (08/01/2013) [-]
I think it is pretty self gratifying to be a Christian. Actually, everything you do will be self gratifying, so there is little point in ignoring it.
User avatar #38219 - jokeface (08/01/2013) [-]
I get what you're saying, but what I mean is that Satanism sounds like it's all about serving yourself, and Christianity is all about serving God.
User avatar #38222 - eight (08/01/2013) [-]
I am not very familiar with Satanism to be honest. Had a friend who did that stuff and it was really weird.

I don't think serving a God is at all better though, especially when you still have to take care of yourself and he doesn't give anything in return (except for an exclusion from eternal torture).
User avatar #38229 - jokeface (08/02/2013) [-]
That depends on how you look at it. I consider everything good in my life, both internal and external, to come from God. If I'm given an opportunity to gain something, I thank God for guiding events that led to the creation of that opportunity. If I work really hard and gain something through sheer willpower, I thank God for giving me the strength and perseverance to make that possible. God opens doors, but it's up to us to walk through them. We can't expect Him to do all the work for us.
User avatar #38237 - eight (08/02/2013) [-]
That is what I used to think as well.

But then I realized that God wasn't guiding me to do those things or providing me opportunities. I was doing them completely on my own and after I converted, nothing changed (except for my stance on different topics).

Also understand that people of other religions believe that very same thing...but they don't attribute it to your God. They have their own.

And what do you attribute to all the bad things that happen in your life? I am guessing if bad things happen, you feel as if you have done something wrong and give twice as much to the lord to make up for it. Or maybe you attribute it to the work of the devil, in which case there isn't much you can do other than to power through and stay strong in your beliefs.

When it comes to Christians, everything good in life is attributed to God. When bad things happen, you don't bother to question why God would do that to you or allow something bad to happen.
User avatar #38256 - jokeface (08/02/2013) [-]
Bad things are the cause of either one's own faults or the fault of other humans. As I've stated numerous times before, goodness is like electricity. God provides a constant power source, but it's up to us to turn on the switch. Badness is the result of humans refusing to channel the goodness God is providing.

Of course everything good is attributed to God, because that's all God does. He is literally the authority of good. That's why we worship Him.

User avatar #38290 - eight (08/02/2013) [-]
He is also the authority of Evil as well as the creator. And we can safely say this is true judging by his actions in the Old Testament, many of which are quite evil.

Evil did not exist before God. And if God has no control or power over evil, he is not omniscient. If he is not omniscient he is not God. If he is not God, you have wasted a long period of your life either praying to the wrong God or one does not exist at all.

And that is something I dislike about Christianity. When bad things happen you are mentally bullied into thinking you are a bad person and have done something wrong for which you need to make up for. It is quite disturbing to the outsider looking in on your religion to see this wild phenomenon.
User avatar #38294 - jokeface (08/02/2013) [-]
None of His actions are evil, ever, because there is no higher authority than Him, so there are no one else's rules for Him to break. Evil is sin, and sin is merely disobeying God. God can't disobey Himself, therefore He can't sin. It is literally impossible for Him to do wrong. Get it? No? Don't care. That's how it is.

Secondly, God does have power over evil but He chooses not to stop it because that would violate our free will. I'm so fucking tired of giving you the same explanation over and over again (By the way, the word you were looking for was omnipotent, not omniscient).
User avatar #38300 - eight (08/02/2013) [-]
Those actions comitted by anyone else other than God are considered evil. You have judged them so. You know those things are wrong. So why are they magically okay just because it is God? Practice what you preach.

I am pointing out a fallacy in your religion. Your religion is an advocate of "Do as I say, not as I do".

So lets say your religion is true in a hypothetical situation, I still wouldn't worship him because he is an ass. He is a dictator. A mafia boss. A terrible, terrible being that does not deserve any worship.

How you can put your belief and trust in such a vile, disgusting entity is completely ludicrous. You might as well be just as responsible for all of his crimes (that have went unpunished by the way).

I understand completely what you are saying. I am just telling you that it is backwards and outright wrong. You have made excuses to avoid the truth of the matter so that you are still able to go on believing what you find more appealing rather than what is true.

Secondly. It is not my free will to be automatically condemned to eternal suffering for apparent crimes that my ancient ancestors committed. If it was true free will, our judgement would be based on our individual actions after we have lived our life, not on bloodline from the moment of birth.

Do you think I am not tired of religious people and their silly beliefs for which they can provide no verifiable evidence for, but yet demand that we believe anyway?
User avatar #38195 - ginginhunter (08/01/2013) [-]
do they beileve in after life?
from what i read so far the most logical answer would be a no.
because when they die , they have served their purpose for themselves and "satan"
and then they cease to exist , but do not take that as a fact , i havent finished reading so id suggest checking yourself as i cant give you a factual answer

so basiclly , according to satanism, life is about being proud and survival with no actual prayer and servitude to an actual invisible deity
User avatar #38197 - jokeface (08/01/2013) [-]
That's sort of how I imagine I would behave if I didn't believe in God.
User avatar #38198 - ginginhunter (08/01/2013) [-]
well satanism is an atheistic religion
User avatar #38199 - jokeface (08/01/2013) [-]
Then I guess that makes sense. Although in that case religion is kind of a misnomer. It would be better to call it a philosophy. However, it still has rules, no? If I didn't believe in God I'd have no moral compass except for the social norms imposed upon me by society. And I don't like that. My fellow humans are my equals, not my superiors. They have no right to make rules for me. So I wouldn't let them. But as an atheist, I wouldn't accept rules given to me by a religion either, since there is apparently no God to impose them. That's the only part of Satanism I can't understand. The idea of having a code of conduct without a superior external force.
User avatar #38201 - ginginhunter (08/01/2013) [-]
the rules imposed in satanism are taking with major respect to basic human instincts such as mating and having fun , so , it is ok to have premartial sex , it is completly allright according to satanism , so does homosexuality because an individual gets to choose what would be best for him , it is actually a rule that states that an individual gets to choose what best for him without fearing the punishment of god and a "false prophet"

as there would be total chaos without rules , as some people need this little scripture to picture what is the rule or what to do in different situations , the satanic rules do that liberally , and to promote your ego and you big proud I

and the best part? NO GODS , NO MASTERS
you are your own master

and yes , the church of satan has rituals and black magic bullshit , but no one will make you do that unlike the "holy church" that makes you go every sunday unless you want to be considered a heretic and be shunned upon

User avatar #38175 - ginginhunter (08/01/2013) [-]
just to be clear , im not trying to be a satanist , simply a religion study.
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User avatar #44 - nigeltheoutlaw (08/01/2013) [-]
I thought what made you straight was liking vagina? It's a fact that everyone, gay or straight, male or female, young or old, likes boobies.
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They just like to play with the out of curiosity.
User avatar #45 - ginginhunter (08/01/2013) [-]
well its a 1+1 gift card ey?
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User avatar #37849 - metalmind (07/28/2013) [-]
Yes. The world would be a netter place, if more people would value evidence more.
User avatar #37850 - ginginhunter (07/28/2013) [-]
correct my fellow Fj bro
#37845 - i agree first internet discussion that went so polit…  [+] (1 new reply) 07/28/2013 on Religion Board +1
User avatar #37847 - metalmind (07/28/2013) [-]
Thank you. You too. It is always great to have a conversation that comes close to a discourse.
#37843 - evolution is a theory but dont take me wrong , not a hypo…  [+] (4 new replies) 07/28/2013 on Religion Board 0
User avatar #37846 - metalmind (07/28/2013) [-]
Well, evolution, the change over time, is a fact.
Darwinian Evolution is a theory, though one that we have more and better evidence for than the theory of gravity.
We have millions over millions of pieces of evidence for Darwinian Evolution, so much in fact that it can be viewd as a fact.
But as everything in science, there is only a 99,9999999....9999% certainty, never 100%.
But for all intensive purposes, Darwinian Evolution is in the coloquial sense a fact. (Nothing can rise above beeing a Theory in science)
User avatar #37848 - ginginhunter (07/28/2013) [-]
aye , that means if there is some evidence that disapproves ultimately the entire theory , it will change

shame the religion doesnt work the same way
User avatar #37849 - metalmind (07/28/2013) [-]
Yes. The world would be a netter place, if more people would value evidence more.
User avatar #37850 - ginginhunter (07/28/2013) [-]
correct my fellow Fj bro
#37842 - so the most logical conclusion would be that:"there might…  [+] (3 new replies) 07/28/2013 on Religion Board 0
User avatar #37844 - metalmind (07/28/2013) [-]
Well, I think it would be that as there is no evidence for god(s), or an afterlife, the logical conclusion would be not to believe in a god.
But as nothing is 100% certain, there could be a god in the same respect that we could be in the matrix, or the flaying spaghetti monster could exist.
I find the evidence lacking, so I disbelief, until disprooven.
User avatar #37845 - ginginhunter (07/28/2013) [-]
i agree

first internet discussion that went so politley without bashing and swearing

YOU, my brother , deserve a medal
User avatar #37847 - metalmind (07/28/2013) [-]
Thank you. You too. It is always great to have a conversation that comes close to a discourse.
#37839 - I read that sentence on a site and i wanted to know your opini…  [+] (11 new replies) 07/28/2013 on Religion Board 0
User avatar #37840 - metalmind (07/28/2013) [-]
Well, you clearly can be able of logical thought, and still not be an atheist.
But if you think about, and check the evidence and in some respects the lack thereof, atheism, to be more specific agnostic atheism is the logical conclusion, as there has never been conclusive evidence for the classical definitions of god. (To my knowledge).
User avatar #37842 - ginginhunter (07/28/2013) [-]
so the most logical conclusion would be that:"there might be a god , but it is not clear if there is an actual god , or he is the god i portray to myself therefore im not quite sure , so i will shelf this question until the day that i would die to be sure if he exists"

thats what youre trying to say?
User avatar #37844 - metalmind (07/28/2013) [-]
Well, I think it would be that as there is no evidence for god(s), or an afterlife, the logical conclusion would be not to believe in a god.
But as nothing is 100% certain, there could be a god in the same respect that we could be in the matrix, or the flaying spaghetti monster could exist.
I find the evidence lacking, so I disbelief, until disprooven.
User avatar #37845 - ginginhunter (07/28/2013) [-]
i agree

first internet discussion that went so politley without bashing and swearing

YOU, my brother , deserve a medal
User avatar #37847 - metalmind (07/28/2013) [-]
Thank you. You too. It is always great to have a conversation that comes close to a discourse.
User avatar #37841 - metalmind (07/28/2013) [-]
But still, I want everybody to come to their own conclusions, and not force others to believe as they do. (Exept if it's about prooven facts like climate change, evolution or that the earth is round, as those, and other things, are facts, and ignoring facts is not a good thing at all).
User avatar #37843 - ginginhunter (07/28/2013) [-]
evolution is a theory
but dont take me wrong , not a hypothesis , its a theory...

not yet a fact
User avatar #37846 - metalmind (07/28/2013) [-]
Well, evolution, the change over time, is a fact.
Darwinian Evolution is a theory, though one that we have more and better evidence for than the theory of gravity.
We have millions over millions of pieces of evidence for Darwinian Evolution, so much in fact that it can be viewd as a fact.
But as everything in science, there is only a 99,9999999....9999% certainty, never 100%.
But for all intensive purposes, Darwinian Evolution is in the coloquial sense a fact. (Nothing can rise above beeing a Theory in science)
User avatar #37848 - ginginhunter (07/28/2013) [-]
aye , that means if there is some evidence that disapproves ultimately the entire theory , it will change

shame the religion doesnt work the same way
User avatar #37849 - metalmind (07/28/2013) [-]
Yes. The world would be a netter place, if more people would value evidence more.
User avatar #37850 - ginginhunter (07/28/2013) [-]
correct my fellow Fj bro
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"Niggasaki"
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lmao I lost it at "hiroshima and niggeragi"
User avatar #88 - jalthelas (07/29/2013) [-]
It's Niggasaki
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oh my bad that changes everything. How stupid of me to believe it was agi instead of saki, i'ma go hang myself now.
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Ok.
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#67 - garymuthafuknoak (07/29/2013) [-]
"niggasaki"
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"Black to the Hood" Billboard...
User avatar #36 - adunsaveme (07/29/2013) [-]
yeah but embedding smells
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thank you
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anyone else notice the black to the hood billboard?
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#20 - davidavidson (07/28/2013) [-]
Mhhh... Sorry, what were you saying Schlomo?
User avatar #21 - ginginhunter (07/28/2013) [-]
religious jews are just as bad as the westboro baptists bro
i detest talmudic and religious fucks as you do
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#18 - davidavidson (07/28/2013) [-]
Are you just going to keep preaching to the choir man? I already know all of this shit

And no one is going to give you post a second glance
User avatar #19 - ginginhunter (07/28/2013) [-]
yeah but its stupid to blame the entire jewish race because our goverment fucked up

i am embaressed to be jewish , not because we are hated , but because a minority of our jewish nation make us all be hated
#20 - davidavidson (07/28/2013) [-]
Mhhh... Sorry, what were you saying Schlomo?
User avatar #21 - ginginhunter (07/28/2013) [-]
religious jews are just as bad as the westboro baptists bro
i detest talmudic and religious fucks as you do
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#40 - dehumanizer (02/28/2014) [-]
and who are the courrupt politicians? Who elects them?
User avatar #41 - ginginhunter (02/28/2014) [-]
The brainwashed patriots and people who are convinced that it will change something.
#42 - dehumanizer (02/28/2014) [-]
are they not citizens to you?
User avatar #43 - ginginhunter (02/28/2014) [-]
They are , but these citizens make us look bad.
#44 - dehumanizer (02/28/2014) [-]
But beeing citizens means the state will get stronger and there will be more violence and chaos.
User avatar #45 - ginginhunter (02/28/2014) [-]
Explain.
i didnt quite understand what you mean
#47 - dehumanizer (02/28/2014) [-]
forget it schlomo, i've helped you generete enough JIDF shekels as it is already
User avatar #48 - ginginhunter (02/28/2014) [-]
1. im not working for any kind of JIDF shekel maker.
2.that fucking rabbi has caused more chaos than the politicians altogether and as i said , i hate the religious jews.
#12 - dehumanizer (02/13/2014) [-]
That is whats making you embaresed? And wtf how can anyone be an atheist jew? Thats such a load of crap arabs are more jewish then you.
#13 - ginginhunter (02/26/2014) [-]
A jew can be a non-religious person AKA Hiloni (חילוני)
A jew is nationality as well , my great grandfather was a jew so by blood, im considered a jew

its like hitler determined a person to be a jew not by religion , but by blood
a jew by nationality and not a jew by religious is called a Kofer (כופר)

if you dont understand this concept , ill give you an examples of a non religious jews:

Benjamin Zeev Herzel (one of the founding fathers of the Zionist movement)
David Ben Gurion (the first prime minister)
Albert Einstein (he was a jew by blood , but completly dissmissed the concept of religion)
Benjamin Natiniyahu (our asshat prime minister whos causing the entire conflict right now)

and basiclly , almost all critical jew figures in history were non-religious and mostly either atheist or agnostic

now you tell me , how a jew cannot be atheist , its like an American has to be christian or hes not American.
#14 - dehumanizer (02/28/2014) [-]
>implying jews are a race

sorry scholomo but you arent
User avatar #15 - ginginhunter (02/28/2014) [-]
Were a nationality , by race , were semites.
#16 - dehumanizer (02/28/2014) [-]
No, you arent.
User avatar #17 - ginginhunter (02/28/2014) [-]
look , one picture with no source doesnt provide much of evidence...
#18 - dehumanizer (02/28/2014) [-]
Thats the same thing i can say about your claim that modern israelites have any real connection to the aincent ones.
User avatar #19 - ginginhunter (02/28/2014) [-]
So how did Hitler distinguish us one from another , remember , it was determined by blood
#20 - dehumanizer (02/28/2014) [-]
it was because they claimed to be jews, doesent mean they really are semites

also Godwin's law
User avatar #21 - ginginhunter (02/28/2014) [-]
So what they are if not semites then?

and what is this Godwin's law you speak of ?
#22 - dehumanizer (02/28/2014) [-]
jew is a religion, not a race. IF you dont belive in God then the whole Abraham - God's chosen doesent work

google it, pleb
User avatar #23 - ginginhunter (02/28/2014) [-]
Wait, you say its a religion, not a race .
i did never say its a race , i said its a nationality , and infact , it is
#24 - dehumanizer (02/28/2014) [-]
no its not, the nation of israel is fake
User avatar #28 - ginginhunter (02/28/2014) [-]
na·tion·al·i·ty noun \ˌna-shə-ˈna-lə-tē, ˌnash-ˈna-\
: a group of people who share the same history, traditions, and language, and who usually live together in a particular country.

History: check
language: check
live together in a paticular country: check

#29 - dehumanizer (02/28/2014) [-]
So how much do they pay you?
User avatar #30 - ginginhunter (02/28/2014) [-]
They dont.
#31 - dehumanizer (02/28/2014) [-]
sure mr merchant
User avatar #46 - ginginhunter (02/28/2014) [-]
And how exactly im spreading Pro-Israeli propaganda when i said im said quite clearly that im embarrased to live in Israel ?
User avatar #32 - ginginhunter (02/28/2014) [-]
Dude , im not in the uni.
#34 - dehumanizer (02/28/2014) [-]
whatever you say, chosen one
User avatar #39 - ginginhunter (02/28/2014) [-]
So now youre going to be childish?
User avatar #26 - ginginhunter (02/28/2014) [-]
And why are you so convinced that the Israel country is fake?
User avatar #25 - ginginhunter (02/28/2014) [-]
Ok , and what about America?
its was based on genocide and slavery of two different races and well, stole land , so technically , there is no such thing as American either.
i dont see you getting pissed about it.
#27 - dehumanizer (02/28/2014) [-]
that happened in the 16/17th century, there is nothing i can do about that, they've lievd long enough where they are legit

but israel? come on Chuck Norris is older than israel. I can not stand by the genocide in the middle east just because NATO wants an outpost.
User avatar #33 - ginginhunter (02/28/2014) [-]
look , i didnt say i was for this stupid apartheid , this whole conflict is complete and utter bullshit caused by or goverment , but the citizens dont partake in the circus.
#35 - dehumanizer (02/28/2014) [-]
** citizens dont partake in the circus.**

what are soldiers?
User avatar #36 - ginginhunter (02/28/2014) [-]
People who are forced by law to serve in the army.
#37 - dehumanizer (02/28/2014) [-]
who makes the law?
User avatar #38 - ginginhunter (02/28/2014) [-]
Corrupt prime ministers.
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User avatar #116 - organiclead (07/28/2013) [-]
They also choose what does and does not get made. No profit for them = no publishing. Let's say everyone decides to pirate the Elder Scrolls games and donate directly to the creators in some perfect utopian system. The analysts will look at the sales numbers and will go, "Huum, this game isn't selling as much as we thought it would. That means we need to do something different. Hey, that Famrville game is making a lot of money, developers, go make something more like that."
What do you think? Give us your opinion. Anonymous comments allowed.
User avatar #10 to #9 - ginginhunter (07/22/2012) [-]
you are my new best friend
#11 to #10 - Paczilla (07/22/2012) [-]
punks need to stick together.
its dangerous to go alone, take this
User avatar #12 to #11 - ginginhunter (07/22/2012) [-]
cool , lets peel of theyre eyes!
User avatar #13 to #12 - Paczilla (07/22/2012) [-]
and skull **** them?
User avatar #14 to #13 - ginginhunter (07/22/2012) [-]
in both eyes ?
User avatar #15 to #14 - Paczilla (07/22/2012) [-]
i can multitask :3
#7 - fefe (07/21/2012) [-]
punk is very much dead
User avatar #8 to #7 - ginginhunter (07/21/2012) [-]
Dude , thats like.. your opinion
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User avatar #4 to #3 - ginginhunter (06/27/2012) [-]
Not much ,you know , killin and munching on people
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User avatar #6 to #5 - ginginhunter (06/27/2012) [-]
not a big one , im afraid to go out becuase the some hat almost killed me , he has a blue face and a glowing spine , i think hes a ghost O_O
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#2 to #1 - ginginhunter (03/26/2012) [-]
thanks my bro
thanks my bro
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