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#66 - hongkonglongdong (02/27/2015) [-]
Sword terminology is very hazy, but most people would call that a longsword or some other variant, not a claymore (which is either a basket-hilted Scottish broadsword or a specific type of longsword with the claymore crosshilt, pic related). Part of the reason sword nomenclature is so undefined is that often people of the time just called what we would identify as a very specific weapon of the time period and location a "sword", or if you were lucky, "big sword". Claymore literally just means "greatsword".
That's my daily dose of autism for the day cleared up.
#69 - hongkonglongdong (02/27/2015) [-]
Longswords were two handed (although again we're dealing with ridiculously imprecise wording here): "A longsword (also spelled long sword, long-sword) is a type of European sword characterized as having a cruciform hilt with a grip for two-handed use and a straight double-edged blade of around 90 to 110 cm (35 to 43 in), current during the late medieval and Renaissance periods (approximately 1350 to 1550), with early and late use reaching into the 13th and 17th centuries."
#93 - thatoneiranianguy (02/27/2015) [-]
The problem is in the anthropology field, is there has never really been an established section of terminology for medieval weaponry, or really swords in general - but mostly medieval weaponry.
Just about any documentary on middle age arms and armour are to be taken with a grain of salt. I've been meaning to dedicate 3 years of my life developing an index for European arms and armour, but I just don't have the time and hope someone else is going to do it.
#96 - thatoneiranianguy (02/28/2015) [-]
This is a really good website, features reviews of modern reproductions, lots of research, gallaries of personal collections and museum collections. All sorts of information and has forum! One of the most well collected websites for European arms and armour I've personally seen.
#71 - hongkonglongdong (02/27/2015) [-]
Like I said, the wording's very imprecise. Bastard swords are often thought of as a type of longsword. Often times the difference is relative to when you grew up and where you live- longsword used to refer to rapiers, for example. But the distinction between claymore and "normal" longsword is pretty distinct, 'cause the clay,ore crosshilt's very iconic.
#79 - hongkonglongdong (02/27/2015) [-]
Bah, the names don't mean anything anyway. Actual people of the time called stuff like zweihanders "big longswords", claymores "claymores/Scottish longsword" and longswords "long swords". And then went ahead and mixed them up. It's honestly like they weren't even thinking of historians when they talked about them.
Don't even get me started on the "big knife".
#83 - hongkonglongdong (02/27/2015) [-]
There's a fuck tonne of "messers" (knives). And lots of them mean the same thing (e.g. war knife, big knife and hewing knife all refer to the same weapon). But of course, the "big knife (grosses messer)" and "long knife (langes messer)" are completely different.
The wiki article's a clusterfuck 'cause it's just "messer", but here, take it anyway: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messer_ (weapon)
#85 - hongkonglongdong (02/27/2015) [-]
I meant it was a clusterfuck because it was so confusing because it's just about "messers" in general, except it appears that different writers meant different types of messer when they wrote it. But yeah.
To be fair, this wasn't just the general public doing this- you see actual weapon masters switching terms midway through their weapon manuals, and different cataloguers using different names for the same thing. Weapons just weren't codified then.
#87 - hongkonglongdong (02/27/2015) [-]
Like I said, they really didn't draw the distinctions we do. They saw a weapon, and saw different functions, but didn't sit down and say stuff like "all right, all weapons that use the hammer end mostly and have long beaky ends are called lucerne hammers, not bec de corbins, which use the beaky end mainly and have short, fat beaky ends.
#89 - hongkonglongdong (02/27/2015) [-]
Not even that- it's more like if you could call an AK-47 and AK-74 and you'd be right. And you could do vice versa and still be right. Be gentle on me with gun shit, I live in Britbongland and have no knowledge of firearms. But nowadays we often relatively arbitrarily call different weapons different names, but because of the lack of clear distinction you end up with a lot of different uses of terms.
#90 - bewailedbadger (02/27/2015) [-]
I'm Australian personally, I just know names, not even the differences between them.
Yeah, fair enough. I suppose back then, though, in simpler times it didn't matter if you were calling it the proper name. Did it serve its purpose? Yes? Good, name it the same thing as something else that does the same job.
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