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#22 - so is 2^80 02/13/2014 on Do you even lego? +1
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#404 - farnam, NE 02/11/2014 on Funnyjunk location roll call 0
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#24 - english is not your first language is it....  [+] (2 new replies) 02/09/2014 on Dammit Shinji -1
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It all is first before

like balance with step supper crap
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He does this pretty consistently. It's almost always complete gibberish.
#103 - so you admit to being a huge ******* thieving asshole? 02/09/2014 on No fuck you, put it back! +11
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#82 - EXTREMELY valid point.  [+] (47 new replies) 02/07/2014 on Just Zoro +17
#84 - snowshark (02/07/2014) [-]
Seriously though, it would be nice to see a shounen series where the characters progress on an emotional level rather than just a physical one. It's harder to do as people still need to like the characters but the only shounen I can think of that really gets the right balance of a character's personal and physical progress right is Kingdom.
#123 - Rascal (02/07/2014) [-]
but the characters on one piece have all had massive journeys, the powerups are secondary to that
User avatar #160 - snowshark (02/07/2014) [-]
Actually, that's not entirely the case. In One Piece though the characters have traveled a long way they haven't changed much at all. Zoro's last point of change that wasn't only about being stronger happened all the way back in East Blue when he fought Tashigi and before that when he lost to Hawkeye. Their personalities between then and now are essentially identical.

Nami has changed but her times of change only happened around Arlong and Hachi, anything between those points or afterwards has left her largely the same and even the Hachi thing was pretty small all things considered as we never see her holding animosity towards mermaids or fishmen before that point, meaning it's all to do with Hachi.

Luffy has barely ever changed. His personality is largely the same and whilst you could argue he has grown a stronger sense of duty it never really shows. Luffy has always taken the best course of action, either by accident or through him just seeing it as the best course of action, and nothing since then has made him doubt himself or his capacity as a leader or even a human being. When he thinks his friends are dead he has a breakdown but then quickly gets back on the horse in the chase for Ace and after that he has another breakdown where he realises he still has his nakama... something that is in no way a revelation to him as a character.

If anything, the only sign that he is developing at all is his choice to wait two years before entering the New World but even that doesn't seem like a big change given Luffy's propensity to never suffer for his actions because turns out everything he does always works out fine in the end.

Chopper has gone through the most change, developing the acceptance that he is a monster, however given that it only ever comes up as a plot point during his introduction arc it's not a big deal.

I wish I could say he and Usopp have become less cowardly however they still freak out at every possible chance, so it rings kinda hollow to say so.
User avatar #171 - joekerr (02/08/2014) [-]
I'd like to elaborate just a little bit on that. They all matured in their own way and especially during the timeskip and because of Ace's passing.
User avatar #174 - snowshark (02/08/2014) [-]
However, have they really? Have there been any really differences in their personalities or their approaches to things outside of their initial arcs and the time-skip? I would argue that they've been on a journey, but their personalities have remained frightfully stagnant. It's not a bad thing because we don't read One Piece to see these characters change, we read it for other reasons and read other manga like Kingdom or Soul Eater to see characters we care for grow and evolve over time. However they really haven't changed much at all and what changes there have been have been largely superficial.

E.G: Sanji nearly died on several occasions because of his womanising. However he has never changed it. He doesn't need to but it 'is' his hamartia.

Usopp is a habitual coward and the only character to actually have interesting character development outside of his own dedicated arc. That development was in the Enis Lobby arc and it was when he learned to put other people before himself and to truly respect Luffy, his first big step on his road to becoming a brave warrior of the sea. However even then he still acts like a coward a lot of the time because... it's funny. His character is the only one to have actually gone through meaningful change. Even across the time-skip none of the characters seem to have changed their personalities in a meaningful manner. The most meaningful change being the disappearance of Franky's cola-based humour.

But as I said, they don't -need- to change. It wouldn't be the same kind of story if they did. Just like a lack of character development in Kingdom would be bad for the story that is being told, the reverse is true for One Piece.
User avatar #175 - joekerr (02/08/2014) [-]
Well, I agreed with you from the beginning . "Maturing" doesn't necessarily imply "big" change. Their experiences don't go unnoticed.

Usopp really is a funny and interesting guy, a real man at the core. Funny thing is that all of his lies are becoming true throughout the series

I got some theories, remember? We had a talk half a year ago. I am planning on posting one of these as content very soon. Interested?
User avatar #176 - snowshark (02/09/2014) [-]
Yeah, but given it's an anime theory I don't expect it to reach the frontpage though perhaps that's just a tad cynical. And it's the one about the superweapons, no?

Either way, I'd argue that for some of the characters 'matured' means' grew bigger breasts/wears lest clothes/grew a goatee, but whatever, the point is pretty moot here. I'm just enjoying the Dresrossa arc, the first really engaging arc in... phew, years.
User avatar #177 - joekerr (02/09/2014) [-]
I am saving that one about the weapons for the longer time, but yes, that was what we talked about when I joined the community here. I need more evidence points and hints to work with to make it entertaining.
I am posting one which is more relatable and I didn't discuss that thoroughly yet. Not sure about frontpage, but very sure about leaving funnyjunk. It's not new, but I have never seen it pieced together as a whole.

I mean with mature that they took some decisions and / or impacts on their lives with which they are dealing appropiately, e. g. Luffy's very short depression cured by Jimbei. It's not such a big thing, something you catch in the details, a few behavorial shifts. As I said, I agree w/ you No big changes.

Don't get me started on Dressrosa This arc will have effects on the new world as the war of the best, if my predictions are correct. Maybe I'll make that content, too.
Pretty sure about "Thunder soldier = Kyros". Kora-san is a word play of the spanish word for "heart", so I think Law talked about his predecessor ... ^^
I am wondering who would be most likely to join the SH-crew ... most reasonable could be Rebecca, but not sure about that. On magastream there was a good argumentation against Law, Koala and Sabo, but who knows ... searching for that one ... [url=mangastream.com/blog/23]click[/url] (let's see if this does what i want it to)
User avatar #180 - snowshark (02/09/2014) [-]
Bartolomeo is without a doubt the strongest contender. He has his own unique humour which is important for Straw Hat candidacy. He has an unique and distinct design and power. He would have an interesting dynamic with the rest of the group. He has an interesting backstory though he would be by far the least relatable of the Straw Hats, due to his unashamedly violent past... however he is just so likeable a character I doubt that would matter. He has a crew all his own, however he would probably ditch them at a moment's notice. He has his own grand drive in the ocean, which is the direct servitude to Luffy.

Whilst it is equally as likely that Bartolomeo will end up as a supporting captain much like with Law, Bart is the only one of the bunch who fits the necessary criteria.
User avatar #183 - joekerr (02/09/2014) [-]
Nah, Bartolomeo won't join, he is a fanboy with his own gangs. I think he will be kind of allied or join a fleet ... to many other things ... his development is one of the many factors of the Dressrosa Arc. Please understand that I won't elaborate much on this.
User avatar #187 - snowshark (02/09/2014) [-]
I think at this point it is 50/50. But either way it doesn't matter, he's just a good character.
#189 - joekerr (02/09/2014) [-]
Oh yeah, hilarious. I was wondering all the time what his power's weakness is - i guess last chapter revealed it: He can't create barriers behind him, that's why he freakened out so hard when Rebecca was behind him. Also, I would find it very interesting for Rebecca to get the fire fruit - although Sabo would be the perfect person to inherit it.
User avatar #193 - snowshark (02/09/2014) [-]
Let's be comprehensive here:

1) I kinda figured that would be Bartolomeo's weakness the moment his fruit was revealed as I'm sure you did too due to his pose whilst making it. I imagine he can only create the one at a time too.

2) Rebecca or Burgess with Burgess being the most likely. From a narrative standpoint there is no reason to give it to Sabo that is more compelling than the reasons to give it to Rebecca or Burgess.
It won't be Diamante because that would serve no interesting narrative purpose and he already has his own fruit.
It won't be Bartolomeo because that would just end up with the fruit in Luffy's hands and he would probably end up giving it to Sabo or Rebecca anyway. Probably Sabo.
It probably won't be Rebecca due to the fruit's significance and her insignificance thusfar. If she gets it she will become very important and I doubt she will, however she would suit the visual style of having it nicely as a flaming gladiator.
It won't be Sabo because this fruit is going to play a 'massive' part in the rest of the series, hence why it is being reintroduced here. Giving it to Sabo would be nice but it wouldn't have anywhere near the same impact as -

Burgess. Burgess was the first member of the Blackbeard crew introduced, before even Blackbeard if I remember correctly. Burgess is a massively important part of Blackbeard's crew and currently has no established fighting style outside of masked wrestling, something that puts him at a major disadvantage against the Straw Hat fighters. We are supposed to detest Blackbeard and his entire crew and Blackbeard has the most ties to Ace out of all the remaining villains.

Blackbeard is being established as the end-boss of the series with only Akainu coming even close to Blackbeard's villainous significance. Hence his crew needs to embody the feeling of being the ultimate challenge both emotionally and physically for the Straw Hats.

Burgess is by far the biggest narrative contender for the fruit.
User avatar #207 - joekerr (02/09/2014) [-]
Nothing to add anymore. Nice discussion
User avatar #205 - joekerr (02/09/2014) [-]
Depends which Flash you're talking about though

That was a pretty fast combo imho ... Whitebeard got stuck, his sons were shocked and then joz got frozen, marco handcuffed and shot ... pretty quickly. Sea stone handcuffs + shock were quite the disadvantage at that moment.
User avatar #206 - snowshark (02/09/2014) [-]
Okay, I'll give you that one, however it still highlights his un-godliness. Oda does a great job at not only making all of the astoundingly strong powers get cut down to size nicely but also at making the weak, the weird, and otherwise mundane powers seem incredibly applicable and creative. We really get the impression that everyone, Devils fruit or no, stands on the same platform with no one person standing above any one other in their capabilities. The strongest Devil's Fruit user couldn't beat Gol.D Roger and that was when he was much younger and not on what was essentially life-support.

And so far as we know it, Roger didn't have any Devil-Fruit powers... maybe he did, but I don't think so. It's never stated so I think he just became the most dangerous man alive through the use of his own two hands, which really would fit into the egalitarian writing that Oda favours, where even the regular people can topple the magical-fruit eaters.
User avatar #203 - joekerr (02/09/2014) [-]
Ah sorry, but Marco was pretty unscathed ^^. He took that light attack on purpose.

But yes, the fruits depend on one's individuality. You could compare it to Flash and Professors Zoom from the DC Comics ... did you watch the Time paradox movie or even read the movies? This is exactly spoken of ... the Flash is superior to Zoom because of his higher creativity.
User avatar #204 - snowshark (02/09/2014) [-]
He got clapped in Seastone cuffs if I'm not mistaken and then Borsalino just toyed with him after that.

Honestly, I hate the Flash. I mean, wow, way to take a single gimmick so far you create the most astoundingly broken character in the room. If he just ran quickly I would be okay with it, but he is -WAY- too powerful to the point where almost nobody will even write for him anymore.

When he's downplayed he's fine and I like his personality, but at the same time, that rarely happens.
User avatar #201 - joekerr (02/09/2014) [-]
Sry, made a mistake at that Shanks stuff. They don't mirror Luffy's crew, they are more likely equals. Blackbeard's crew are opposites to that of Luffy whereas Shanks is the similiar one.
In terms of devil fruits, mystic zoan was said to be the most powerful group (-> marco's phoenix fruit).
Right now, the strongest power is in posession since Whitebeard died ... and we don't know what else he already stole.
Jesus would be a fucking beast, ofc.
#208 - sry (02/11/2014) [-]
User avatar #202 - snowshark (02/09/2014) [-]
Yeah, I know about the Mystic Zoan but even then the only one of them we've met thusfar has thoroughly gotten his butt kicked by a Logia who in turn got his arse whupped by a normal human with Haki. So we've reached the point where the nature of the powers are starting to become fairy inconsequential compared to the user themselves. Certainly some are more inherently powerful/useful than others but we've seen how a seemingly worthless fruit that turns your body into rubber is actually one of the best fruits it's possible to get due to it's widespread application whilst the most powerful Devil's Fruit there is (or at least that is said to exist thus-far in the story) only appears to be capable of doing the one thing, that is wrecking stuff.

So really it comes largely down to the user more than the fruit itself.
User avatar #198 - joekerr (02/09/2014) [-]
[Jesus getting fruit being high quality plot] --> *sigh*. Gotta agree w/ that. Kinda fanboyish w/ Rebecca and Sabo getting it. Would be great to finally have a Logia on Luffy's team ... but I wouldn't mind Aokiji joining, too ... but that's too much of speculation, got nothing for that.
User avatar #200 - snowshark (02/09/2014) [-]
Luffy's team doesn't need a Logia and I think it's kinda stronger without it. Logia are painted as the ultimate in Devils-Fruit power however Luffy however thusfar we've not seen all that many Logia that haven't had their arses handed to them by Paramecia/Zoan users or even non-Devil-Fruit-users.

Borsalino is put in his place by Reiligh who doesn't even seem to be serious when fighting him. Luffy beats both Enel and Crocodile using their Devil-Fruits big weakness, Aokiji gets thoroughly emasculated by a furious Whitebeard and whilst he does land some devastating hits in the end he barely even phases Newgate in the fight.

It would seem that when you reach the level of power of the people in the New World that the title of 'Logia' no longer bears any relevance. They are no longer the bastions of strength that we see them as in the former sea, it just gets to the point where they're little more than any other Devil Fruit user.

If you have the Haki to punch them, they're no different to Paramecia really.

Also, on the topic of Burgess... imagine what... with fists as big as his... 'HIS' fire-fist would be like?
User avatar #197 - joekerr (02/09/2014) [-]
Can't reply to the latest post, so i do it here.

I think big mama will be more of a transition arc to Zou or something like that. There's also the Wano kingdom to be thought of ... might be in a war with Kaidou or something and Mugiwara saves another country. Would fit.

Well yeah, the definition of end-boss is really subjective. I liked your Pokemon metaphora and I totally agree with the mirroring stuff. Blackbeard got 10 grand captains whereas Luffy still lacks his tenth member. His crew will be the Top 4, he will be the champion.
Did you know that Oak was originally intended to battle you right after the Champ? He is programmed into the game and uses the last starter that wasnt picked. Oak is Shanks, the one after Blackbeard, the one you don't see. After defeating his arch enemy, Luffy gotta surpass his ideals - and I am VERY sure Shanks' crew mirrors Luffy's own ... hell he got Yasopp with him I guess Mihawk will also be there, he got that buddy-bond w/ Shanks.

Let's just wait who turns out to be right. Just 10 years
User avatar #199 - snowshark (02/09/2014) [-]
Aye, I know about Oak, hence I said Oak. However I doubt Shanks' crew is going to mirror Luffy's, otherwise it would have been foreshadowed already in some respect. No, it's really only Shanks and Yassop who have any ties to the Straw Hats. However when Fujitora demolishes the Schibukai I can see Hawkeye joining Shanks or at least just wandering about the Ocean until Zoro tracks him down. Either way, Zoro still needs to sort out that cockteasing with Tashigi.

Honestly, there has been no foreshadowing towards trials for some of the characters to face thus-far.

Luffy - Blackbeard/Shanks
Zoro - Hawkeye/Tashigi
Franky - Vegapunk
Usopp - (Possibly Yassop but at this point it's not really that solid.)
Sanji -
Robin -
Nami -
Chopper - (Closest we have is the doctor in Blackbeard's crew)
Brooke -

So... yeah. I don't think the challenge will be coming from Shanks' crew, though I do imagine we'll be seeing each character finding some trial to overcome.
User avatar #194 - joekerr (02/09/2014) [-]
1) To be honest, no I didn't. Thought he was op. ^^

2) I can very well follow your argumentation, but I still see Rebecca and Sabo as more likely as Burgess, because I don't see Blackbeard as the end boss. I think the last yonko Luffy battles will be Shanks - 1st big mama, 2nd kaido, 3d bb (wild guess, but I have a feeling here).

Kaido: He will lose his trading partner Dofla and the source of smile. He is going to be pissed off and going to be the next Yonko they'll get down. I wonder if they combine the two supernovae alliances for that purpose.

Big Mama: I think there might be more ass wooping than we expect - but no defeat by Sanji himself alone. As I think that she's Lola's mum, she owes the SH on one hand. On the other hand there's those explosives in the treasure with the pearls and Cäsar. Luffy declared war on her and wants to make Fishman Island his turf. When everyone is turned back, Luffy will probably have more followers than just Chinjao's army. This will be quite the nice battle ... right after Dofla, Joker, will be taken in by the "Blind" justice. This is also where I'll see Barto - another one of the fleet which will come to be after this arc. After Neptune we also have the next king who might be interested into putting up the flag with a Jolly Roger wearing a straw hat.

Blackbeard: That dude will be enraged to lose the firefruit ... to "Lucy" (=Luffy for Blackbeard) or someone unknown. I guess that he will come right after Kaido.
Who would help Luffy with that? Well Marco and the rest of the Whitebeard alliance, ofc. Luffy is their hope, the one who carries Ace's will and the one whom they were ordered to protect.

Shanks being the last yonko would fit into the continuity the best ... and that he tells Luffy the way to Raftel. You know that I think after finding One Piece they will sail the grand line once again to wage battle on Mariejois - this is where he has to defeat the World government and the 5 wise. This is just more likely imho.
User avatar #196 - snowshark (02/09/2014) [-]
Also, Sabo getting the fruit would be pointless. We already care a great deal for Sabo as a character and him getting the fruit would be nice, however it would be nowhere as meaningful or impactful as Burgess getting it. See, the fruit is going to play a big part in the coming story and giving it to the bad guys will only heighten the tension whilst giving it to Sabo will only lessen it. The only way it will be going to Sabo is if the Revolutionary Army eventually becomes a villain and Luffy has to fight Dragon, and that just doesn't seem likely.

We like to see the heroes and villains get what's coming to them and often we want it to be karmic, with the good guys getting good things and bad guys getting bad things. Well that just can't be the case if Drama is going to work. Drama and all good narratives are driven by conflict in one form or another. Right now Oda's goal is going to be making the threats in the New World seem as threatening as possible and highlighting the fact that the fun times of the 'Paradise' are long gone.

Burgess getting the fruit would serve the narrative a thousand times more than anyone else getting it as they are currently presented in the narrative.
User avatar #195 - snowshark (02/09/2014) [-]
On Kaido, I think he will definitely be getting his own Arc and I think you're right to say Big Mama will be dealt with in this arc. And I do agree with the King thing too, making a grand total of three Straw-Hat aligned Kingdoms.

But I disagree on the Blackbeard thing. Blackbeard has been treated wholly differently to every other One Piece villain in that Blackbeard is simply a dark version of Luffy. Think about it, personality wise they are both incredibly similar. Blackbeard is older and more immoral, as well as more ruthless, but neither of them seem to have any sense of shame, they both have immense conviction in their actions, they're both after the same goal, they both have a focus on their dreams, they're both a little clumsy and kinda goofballs in their own right but are utterly terrifying when push comes to shove. And above all else they both see themselves as pirates, however they see themselves as very 'different' kinds of pirates. Luffy is the ultimate peacemain and Blackbeared is the ultimate Morganeer.

Luffy is a born Pirate King. Everything has just fallen into his lap and he walks through the world with a tremendous amount of luck following his actions. Blackbeard had to struggle and calculate his way to the top. His crew didn't just wander up to him along his adventures like they did with Luffy, he went out and got them specifically. Blackbeard is in some way's Luffy's opposite and other ways his mirror image and in all ways his equal.

I see Blackbeard and his crew as the Elite Four of the One Piece world whilst Shanks is more of the Professor Oak. Blackbeard is the fight to win the Ocean whilst Shanks is the fight to prove Luffy's own worth. In that sense, I see Blackbeard as the End Boss, perhaps not of the series, but of the Grand Line. Shanks is Luffy proving himself to his greatest idol whilst Blackbeard is Luffy besting his greatest enemy.

I think it really comes down to how you 'define' end-boss.
User avatar #179 - snowshark (02/09/2014) [-]
As for joining the crew:

Law - So long as Law has his own crew he won't join. He will become an ally to Luffy in a similar vain to the various pirate crews that serve under Blackbeard.

Sabo - Sabo is clearly dedicated to Dragon, due to his speech focussed around the Devil's fruit that will inevitably be going to either Rebecca or Burgess with Burgess being the most likely.

Koala - No connection to the Straw Hats at all so there's that.

Bellamy - He is a good candidate but his ability is pretty much identical to Luffy's only it has less variety. (I.E: They both use methods that store energy before releasing it instantly: Elastic/Spring) Oda obviously intends to keep the Straw Hat pirates as disparate as possible in all regards to the point where only two of them even share the same hair colour.

Rebecca - This is the strongest case, given how much we have been made to like her over this arc. However she is still well off joining the crew as of yet. She has yet to have a truly defining moment where she chooses to join and we've seen no indication as of yet that that is actually even coming, especially since her goal in life is just to live happily with her father as opposed to all of the other Straw Hats who have their own grand agendas and reasons for joining Luffy.

That is the strongest evidence against Rebecca by the way. From very early on when we meet the Straw Hats we are made to understand their drive to travel the oceans. Chopper's Universal Panacea, Sanji's All-blue, Robin's Phoneglyphs, Nami's map of the world, etc.

Rebecca has no big driving force that isn't being catered to and honestly neither do any of these other characters. Sabo's drive is to serve Dragon. Koala is likely the same for the same reasons as Sabo. Rebecca doesn't even have one. Bellamy and Law are both tied to Doflamingo with no ulterior goals... but Bartholomeo isn't. In fact he fits all the criteria nicely as I will go into in my final comment.
User avatar #182 - joekerr (02/09/2014) [-]
You didn't read comment I linked, did you? Kinda repetitive till Bellamy ;).
We don't know enough about Rebecca yet.
User avatar #186 - snowshark (02/09/2014) [-]
... okay fine, I didn't. But in my defence the link doesn't work for me!
User avatar #190 - joekerr (02/09/2014) [-]
That's because i screwed up with the coding ... here:
mangastream.com/blog/23
User avatar #185 - snowshark (02/09/2014) [-]
I did, but I like to be comprehensive.
User avatar #178 - snowshark (02/09/2014) [-]
I'd point out that you can only consider that to be a sign of Luffy maturing if it is previously stated or at least implied that he himself would have tackled the situation differently earlier on in the series. Luffy is the guy who smiled when he was about to die and he has always held the same level of anger against anyone who hurts the people he cares about, and even the one's he doesn't to the point where he didn't think twice about going to war with the world.

Now, these don't apply to Luffy's breakdown because they don't revolve around grief, however there are two instances that do matter in this regard. Firstly, the fight against Kuma where Luffy thinks his friends are dead, and secondly the burning of Merry. Now Merry was sent off extremely well and Luffy did cry, however he got over it incredibly quickly, with the only one actually being very affected by the events being Usopp. So that's out of the picture, but it's also a lower level of grief.

So we're left with the Kuma fight. In this instance Luffy acts very similarly to how he does after Ace's death. Though there are some differences such as him falling unconscious from shock, both times we see Luffy getting angry and lashing out at the things around him. In the case of Kuma he had something solid to direct his anger towards, but with Ace there wasn't, so he just attacked everything around him. In both cases Luffy didn't have enough time to come to any decisions on his own. Jinbe pulled Luffy from his misery by reminding him of his nakama (not something he has ever dismissed the importance of, as I've stated already) and with Kuma Luffy quickly realised that what happened to him must have happened to his friends and quickly accepts that they are still alive. He doesn't question it, there is no doubt, he just 'knows' they're alive.

In neither case does Luffy come to a conclusion that changes his outlook and in so doing his personality. He hasn't matured at all as the series has gone on.
#181 - joekerr (02/09/2014) [-]
I will answer your respective answers.

No, not true. Luffy realized his own limits and that he wasn't cut for being pirate king yet AND that he was utterly defeated because of that. He grew and carries Ace's memento in his heart.

Luffy's Epic Punch - Gomu Gomu No Red Hawk ! HD
User avatar #184 - snowshark (02/09/2014) [-]
Okay, that is a good point. Now let me prove why you're wrong!

Because there is this book I read that says so.

Wait... no, I'm not a creationist. You've got a good point there. I concede. He's still not developed much but that is a pretty revelatory moment. It isn't something that is out of character with him or shows a real change because this is actually the third time this has happened. Firstly being Shanks losing his arm. Sabo losing his li- pfffft ha ha ha. Sorry, couldn't even finish the sentence. And now Ace's death. After each time he acknowledges his weakness and resolves to wait until he is stronger, notably how he doesn't leave the island until he is the same age Ace was when he left.

So it's not something either new for him or out of character, but it is a long-overdue wake-up call and since then he has acted a little more Kingly, even though I could easily make the argument that his actions are not really any different to how he would have acted before... but I won't since by this point it is merely becoming subjective.

So yeah, I'll concede that is him having a moment of maturity that affects his later behaviour. Well debated.
#188 - joekerr (02/09/2014) [-]
You don't know how much I needed this*) ... Thanks.
Sabo being alive was pretty obvious imho btw ... the very same chapter he "died" Oda hinted a connection of Zoro's Dojo to the revolutionary army and Dragon saving Sabo's ass - via Ivankov probably.

May I assume I have wakened your interest in my upcoming "content" ?

*) Look at my latest content. I initiated a shitstorm by calling a caption "created content" ... <.<
User avatar #191 - snowshark (02/09/2014) [-]
Eh, it's more of a continuity nod than a connection... but it counts.

And no, you've not wakened my interest because that implies it was ever slumbering. I give a shit about whatever people post on here and only -after- seeing it will I decide if it was any good or not.
#192 - joekerr (02/09/2014) [-]
I'll PM you when I'm done. Might take a week, got some exams up.
#88 - warlockrichard (02/07/2014) [-]
I fucking love kingdom
User avatar #128 - ninpir (02/07/2014) [-]
What episode from Sup is that gif from?
User avatar #130 - warlockrichard (02/07/2014) [-]
not sure sorry
#94 - snowshark (02/07/2014) [-]
Who wouldn't?
User avatar #116 - northway (02/07/2014) [-]
ch375 now
User avatar #127 - ninpir (02/07/2014) [-]
wait......375? The last one i thought was earlier today and it was 321.
User avatar #169 - northway (02/08/2014) [-]
nope 375 out already. English version, however, is only 321. While the raw and chinese translation is 375 (HD).
User avatar #153 - snowshark (02/07/2014) [-]
The manga has been out for a while and is only now being scanlated, hence why it comes out in chunks, since it's catching up.
#25 - threesome with my wife's double sounds sweet 02/07/2014 on pick one faggot 0
#60 - what are the odds of that happening to you though  [+] (1 new reply) 02/07/2014 on This guy is great. 0
User avatar #140 - karson (02/08/2014) [-]
very low. but I'm not sure I'd dying arguably one the worst deaths ever just to be an organ donor. I don't know. I'm on the fence about it.
#31 - what does it matter to you anymore? you're dead. so what if it…  [+] (3 new replies) 02/07/2014 on This guy is great. 0
User avatar #52 - karson (02/07/2014) [-]
because there supposedly have been cases of paramedics being paid to let patients die for their organs. or some shit like that.
User avatar #60 - froghole (02/07/2014) [-]
what are the odds of that happening to you though
User avatar #140 - karson (02/08/2014) [-]
very low. but I'm not sure I'd dying arguably one the worst deaths ever just to be an organ donor. I don't know. I'm on the fence about it.
#56 - zoro can use haki. different laws apply to each universe.  [+] (51 new replies) 02/07/2014 on Just Zoro +11
User avatar #81 - snowshark (02/07/2014) [-]
Yeah well at least Krillen can't get lost in a one-way corridor.
#134 - Rascal (02/07/2014) [-]
Thats because Krillen dies 20m down the corridor
User avatar #161 - snowshark (02/07/2014) [-]
Giving him a little too much credit there, aren't you?
User avatar #82 - froghole (02/07/2014) [-]
EXTREMELY valid point.
#84 - snowshark (02/07/2014) [-]
Seriously though, it would be nice to see a shounen series where the characters progress on an emotional level rather than just a physical one. It's harder to do as people still need to like the characters but the only shounen I can think of that really gets the right balance of a character's personal and physical progress right is Kingdom.
#123 - Rascal (02/07/2014) [-]
but the characters on one piece have all had massive journeys, the powerups are secondary to that
User avatar #160 - snowshark (02/07/2014) [-]
Actually, that's not entirely the case. In One Piece though the characters have traveled a long way they haven't changed much at all. Zoro's last point of change that wasn't only about being stronger happened all the way back in East Blue when he fought Tashigi and before that when he lost to Hawkeye. Their personalities between then and now are essentially identical.

Nami has changed but her times of change only happened around Arlong and Hachi, anything between those points or afterwards has left her largely the same and even the Hachi thing was pretty small all things considered as we never see her holding animosity towards mermaids or fishmen before that point, meaning it's all to do with Hachi.

Luffy has barely ever changed. His personality is largely the same and whilst you could argue he has grown a stronger sense of duty it never really shows. Luffy has always taken the best course of action, either by accident or through him just seeing it as the best course of action, and nothing since then has made him doubt himself or his capacity as a leader or even a human being. When he thinks his friends are dead he has a breakdown but then quickly gets back on the horse in the chase for Ace and after that he has another breakdown where he realises he still has his nakama... something that is in no way a revelation to him as a character.

If anything, the only sign that he is developing at all is his choice to wait two years before entering the New World but even that doesn't seem like a big change given Luffy's propensity to never suffer for his actions because turns out everything he does always works out fine in the end.

Chopper has gone through the most change, developing the acceptance that he is a monster, however given that it only ever comes up as a plot point during his introduction arc it's not a big deal.

I wish I could say he and Usopp have become less cowardly however they still freak out at every possible chance, so it rings kinda hollow to say so.
User avatar #171 - joekerr (02/08/2014) [-]
I'd like to elaborate just a little bit on that. They all matured in their own way and especially during the timeskip and because of Ace's passing.
User avatar #174 - snowshark (02/08/2014) [-]
However, have they really? Have there been any really differences in their personalities or their approaches to things outside of their initial arcs and the time-skip? I would argue that they've been on a journey, but their personalities have remained frightfully stagnant. It's not a bad thing because we don't read One Piece to see these characters change, we read it for other reasons and read other manga like Kingdom or Soul Eater to see characters we care for grow and evolve over time. However they really haven't changed much at all and what changes there have been have been largely superficial.

E.G: Sanji nearly died on several occasions because of his womanising. However he has never changed it. He doesn't need to but it 'is' his hamartia.

Usopp is a habitual coward and the only character to actually have interesting character development outside of his own dedicated arc. That development was in the Enis Lobby arc and it was when he learned to put other people before himself and to truly respect Luffy, his first big step on his road to becoming a brave warrior of the sea. However even then he still acts like a coward a lot of the time because... it's funny. His character is the only one to have actually gone through meaningful change. Even across the time-skip none of the characters seem to have changed their personalities in a meaningful manner. The most meaningful change being the disappearance of Franky's cola-based humour.

But as I said, they don't -need- to change. It wouldn't be the same kind of story if they did. Just like a lack of character development in Kingdom would be bad for the story that is being told, the reverse is true for One Piece.
User avatar #175 - joekerr (02/08/2014) [-]
Well, I agreed with you from the beginning . "Maturing" doesn't necessarily imply "big" change. Their experiences don't go unnoticed.

Usopp really is a funny and interesting guy, a real man at the core. Funny thing is that all of his lies are becoming true throughout the series

I got some theories, remember? We had a talk half a year ago. I am planning on posting one of these as content very soon. Interested?
User avatar #176 - snowshark (02/09/2014) [-]
Yeah, but given it's an anime theory I don't expect it to reach the frontpage though perhaps that's just a tad cynical. And it's the one about the superweapons, no?

Either way, I'd argue that for some of the characters 'matured' means' grew bigger breasts/wears lest clothes/grew a goatee, but whatever, the point is pretty moot here. I'm just enjoying the Dresrossa arc, the first really engaging arc in... phew, years.
User avatar #177 - joekerr (02/09/2014) [-]
I am saving that one about the weapons for the longer time, but yes, that was what we talked about when I joined the community here. I need more evidence points and hints to work with to make it entertaining.
I am posting one which is more relatable and I didn't discuss that thoroughly yet. Not sure about frontpage, but very sure about leaving funnyjunk. It's not new, but I have never seen it pieced together as a whole.

I mean with mature that they took some decisions and / or impacts on their lives with which they are dealing appropiately, e. g. Luffy's very short depression cured by Jimbei. It's not such a big thing, something you catch in the details, a few behavorial shifts. As I said, I agree w/ you No big changes.

Don't get me started on Dressrosa This arc will have effects on the new world as the war of the best, if my predictions are correct. Maybe I'll make that content, too.
Pretty sure about "Thunder soldier = Kyros". Kora-san is a word play of the spanish word for "heart", so I think Law talked about his predecessor ... ^^
I am wondering who would be most likely to join the SH-crew ... most reasonable could be Rebecca, but not sure about that. On magastream there was a good argumentation against Law, Koala and Sabo, but who knows ... searching for that one ... [url=mangastream.com/blog/23]click[/url] (let's see if this does what i want it to)
User avatar #180 - snowshark (02/09/2014) [-]
Bartolomeo is without a doubt the strongest contender. He has his own unique humour which is important for Straw Hat candidacy. He has an unique and distinct design and power. He would have an interesting dynamic with the rest of the group. He has an interesting backstory though he would be by far the least relatable of the Straw Hats, due to his unashamedly violent past... however he is just so likeable a character I doubt that would matter. He has a crew all his own, however he would probably ditch them at a moment's notice. He has his own grand drive in the ocean, which is the direct servitude to Luffy.

Whilst it is equally as likely that Bartolomeo will end up as a supporting captain much like with Law, Bart is the only one of the bunch who fits the necessary criteria.
User avatar #183 - joekerr (02/09/2014) [-]
Nah, Bartolomeo won't join, he is a fanboy with his own gangs. I think he will be kind of allied or join a fleet ... to many other things ... his development is one of the many factors of the Dressrosa Arc. Please understand that I won't elaborate much on this.
User avatar #187 - snowshark (02/09/2014) [-]
I think at this point it is 50/50. But either way it doesn't matter, he's just a good character.
#189 - joekerr (02/09/2014) [-]
Oh yeah, hilarious. I was wondering all the time what his power's weakness is - i guess last chapter revealed it: He can't create barriers behind him, that's why he freakened out so hard when Rebecca was behind him. Also, I would find it very interesting for Rebecca to get the fire fruit - although Sabo would be the perfect person to inherit it.
User avatar #193 - snowshark (02/09/2014) [-]
Let's be comprehensive here:

1) I kinda figured that would be Bartolomeo's weakness the moment his fruit was revealed as I'm sure you did too due to his pose whilst making it. I imagine he can only create the one at a time too.

2) Rebecca or Burgess with Burgess being the most likely. From a narrative standpoint there is no reason to give it to Sabo that is more compelling than the reasons to give it to Rebecca or Burgess.
It won't be Diamante because that would serve no interesting narrative purpose and he already has his own fruit.
It won't be Bartolomeo because that would just end up with the fruit in Luffy's hands and he would probably end up giving it to Sabo or Rebecca anyway. Probably Sabo.
It probably won't be Rebecca due to the fruit's significance and her insignificance thusfar. If she gets it she will become very important and I doubt she will, however she would suit the visual style of having it nicely as a flaming gladiator.
It won't be Sabo because this fruit is going to play a 'massive' part in the rest of the series, hence why it is being reintroduced here. Giving it to Sabo would be nice but it wouldn't have anywhere near the same impact as -

Burgess. Burgess was the first member of the Blackbeard crew introduced, before even Blackbeard if I remember correctly. Burgess is a massively important part of Blackbeard's crew and currently has no established fighting style outside of masked wrestling, something that puts him at a major disadvantage against the Straw Hat fighters. We are supposed to detest Blackbeard and his entire crew and Blackbeard has the most ties to Ace out of all the remaining villains.

Blackbeard is being established as the end-boss of the series with only Akainu coming even close to Blackbeard's villainous significance. Hence his crew needs to embody the feeling of being the ultimate challenge both emotionally and physically for the Straw Hats.

Burgess is by far the biggest narrative contender for the fruit.
User avatar #207 - joekerr (02/09/2014) [-]
Nothing to add anymore. Nice discussion
User avatar #205 - joekerr (02/09/2014) [-]
Depends which Flash you're talking about though

That was a pretty fast combo imho ... Whitebeard got stuck, his sons were shocked and then joz got frozen, marco handcuffed and shot ... pretty quickly. Sea stone handcuffs + shock were quite the disadvantage at that moment.
User avatar #206 - snowshark (02/09/2014) [-]
Okay, I'll give you that one, however it still highlights his un-godliness. Oda does a great job at not only making all of the astoundingly strong powers get cut down to size nicely but also at making the weak, the weird, and otherwise mundane powers seem incredibly applicable and creative. We really get the impression that everyone, Devils fruit or no, stands on the same platform with no one person standing above any one other in their capabilities. The strongest Devil's Fruit user couldn't beat Gol.D Roger and that was when he was much younger and not on what was essentially life-support.

And so far as we know it, Roger didn't have any Devil-Fruit powers... maybe he did, but I don't think so. It's never stated so I think he just became the most dangerous man alive through the use of his own two hands, which really would fit into the egalitarian writing that Oda favours, where even the regular people can topple the magical-fruit eaters.
User avatar #203 - joekerr (02/09/2014) [-]
Ah sorry, but Marco was pretty unscathed ^^. He took that light attack on purpose.

But yes, the fruits depend on one's individuality. You could compare it to Flash and Professors Zoom from the DC Comics ... did you watch the Time paradox movie or even read the movies? This is exactly spoken of ... the Flash is superior to Zoom because of his higher creativity.
User avatar #204 - snowshark (02/09/2014) [-]
He got clapped in Seastone cuffs if I'm not mistaken and then Borsalino just toyed with him after that.

Honestly, I hate the Flash. I mean, wow, way to take a single gimmick so far you create the most astoundingly broken character in the room. If he just ran quickly I would be okay with it, but he is -WAY- too powerful to the point where almost nobody will even write for him anymore.

When he's downplayed he's fine and I like his personality, but at the same time, that rarely happens.
User avatar #201 - joekerr (02/09/2014) [-]
Sry, made a mistake at that Shanks stuff. They don't mirror Luffy's crew, they are more likely equals. Blackbeard's crew are opposites to that of Luffy whereas Shanks is the similiar one.
In terms of devil fruits, mystic zoan was said to be the most powerful group (-> marco's phoenix fruit).
Right now, the strongest power is in posession since Whitebeard died ... and we don't know what else he already stole.
Jesus would be a fucking beast, ofc.
#208 - sry (02/11/2014) [-]
User avatar #202 - snowshark (02/09/2014) [-]
Yeah, I know about the Mystic Zoan but even then the only one of them we've met thusfar has thoroughly gotten his butt kicked by a Logia who in turn got his arse whupped by a normal human with Haki. So we've reached the point where the nature of the powers are starting to become fairy inconsequential compared to the user themselves. Certainly some are more inherently powerful/useful than others but we've seen how a seemingly worthless fruit that turns your body into rubber is actually one of the best fruits it's possible to get due to it's widespread application whilst the most powerful Devil's Fruit there is (or at least that is said to exist thus-far in the story) only appears to be capable of doing the one thing, that is wrecking stuff.

So really it comes largely down to the user more than the fruit itself.
User avatar #198 - joekerr (02/09/2014) [-]
[Jesus getting fruit being high quality plot] --> *sigh*. Gotta agree w/ that. Kinda fanboyish w/ Rebecca and Sabo getting it. Would be great to finally have a Logia on Luffy's team ... but I wouldn't mind Aokiji joining, too ... but that's too much of speculation, got nothing for that.
User avatar #200 - snowshark (02/09/2014) [-]
Luffy's team doesn't need a Logia and I think it's kinda stronger without it. Logia are painted as the ultimate in Devils-Fruit power however Luffy however thusfar we've not seen all that many Logia that haven't had their arses handed to them by Paramecia/Zoan users or even non-Devil-Fruit-users.

Borsalino is put in his place by Reiligh who doesn't even seem to be serious when fighting him. Luffy beats both Enel and Crocodile using their Devil-Fruits big weakness, Aokiji gets thoroughly emasculated by a furious Whitebeard and whilst he does land some devastating hits in the end he barely even phases Newgate in the fight.

It would seem that when you reach the level of power of the people in the New World that the title of 'Logia' no longer bears any relevance. They are no longer the bastions of strength that we see them as in the former sea, it just gets to the point where they're little more than any other Devil Fruit user.

If you have the Haki to punch them, they're no different to Paramecia really.

Also, on the topic of Burgess... imagine what... with fists as big as his... 'HIS' fire-fist would be like?
User avatar #197 - joekerr (02/09/2014) [-]
Can't reply to the latest post, so i do it here.

I think big mama will be more of a transition arc to Zou or something like that. There's also the Wano kingdom to be thought of ... might be in a war with Kaidou or something and Mugiwara saves another country. Would fit.

Well yeah, the definition of end-boss is really subjective. I liked your Pokemon metaphora and I totally agree with the mirroring stuff. Blackbeard got 10 grand captains whereas Luffy still lacks his tenth member. His crew will be the Top 4, he will be the champion.
Did you know that Oak was originally intended to battle you right after the Champ? He is programmed into the game and uses the last starter that wasnt picked. Oak is Shanks, the one after Blackbeard, the one you don't see. After defeating his arch enemy, Luffy gotta surpass his ideals - and I am VERY sure Shanks' crew mirrors Luffy's own ... hell he got Yasopp with him I guess Mihawk will also be there, he got that buddy-bond w/ Shanks.

Let's just wait who turns out to be right. Just 10 years
User avatar #199 - snowshark (02/09/2014) [-]
Aye, I know about Oak, hence I said Oak. However I doubt Shanks' crew is going to mirror Luffy's, otherwise it would have been foreshadowed already in some respect. No, it's really only Shanks and Yassop who have any ties to the Straw Hats. However when Fujitora demolishes the Schibukai I can see Hawkeye joining Shanks or at least just wandering about the Ocean until Zoro tracks him down. Either way, Zoro still needs to sort out that cockteasing with Tashigi.

Honestly, there has been no foreshadowing towards trials for some of the characters to face thus-far.

Luffy - Blackbeard/Shanks
Zoro - Hawkeye/Tashigi
Franky - Vegapunk
Usopp - (Possibly Yassop but at this point it's not really that solid.)
Sanji -
Robin -
Nami -
Chopper - (Closest we have is the doctor in Blackbeard's crew)
Brooke -

So... yeah. I don't think the challenge will be coming from Shanks' crew, though I do imagine we'll be seeing each character finding some trial to overcome.
User avatar #194 - joekerr (02/09/2014) [-]
1) To be honest, no I didn't. Thought he was op. ^^

2) I can very well follow your argumentation, but I still see Rebecca and Sabo as more likely as Burgess, because I don't see Blackbeard as the end boss. I think the last yonko Luffy battles will be Shanks - 1st big mama, 2nd kaido, 3d bb (wild guess, but I have a feeling here).

Kaido: He will lose his trading partner Dofla and the source of smile. He is going to be pissed off and going to be the next Yonko they'll get down. I wonder if they combine the two supernovae alliances for that purpose.

Big Mama: I think there might be more ass wooping than we expect - but no defeat by Sanji himself alone. As I think that she's Lola's mum, she owes the SH on one hand. On the other hand there's those explosives in the treasure with the pearls and Cäsar. Luffy declared war on her and wants to make Fishman Island his turf. When everyone is turned back, Luffy will probably have more followers than just Chinjao's army. This will be quite the nice battle ... right after Dofla, Joker, will be taken in by the "Blind" justice. This is also where I'll see Barto - another one of the fleet which will come to be after this arc. After Neptune we also have the next king who might be interested into putting up the flag with a Jolly Roger wearing a straw hat.

Blackbeard: That dude will be enraged to lose the firefruit ... to "Lucy" (=Luffy for Blackbeard) or someone unknown. I guess that he will come right after Kaido.
Who would help Luffy with that? Well Marco and the rest of the Whitebeard alliance, ofc. Luffy is their hope, the one who carries Ace's will and the one whom they were ordered to protect.

Shanks being the last yonko would fit into the continuity the best ... and that he tells Luffy the way to Raftel. You know that I think after finding One Piece they will sail the grand line once again to wage battle on Mariejois - this is where he has to defeat the World government and the 5 wise. This is just more likely imho.
User avatar #196 - snowshark (02/09/2014) [-]
Also, Sabo getting the fruit would be pointless. We already care a great deal for Sabo as a character and him getting the fruit would be nice, however it would be nowhere as meaningful or impactful as Burgess getting it. See, the fruit is going to play a big part in the coming story and giving it to the bad guys will only heighten the tension whilst giving it to Sabo will only lessen it. The only way it will be going to Sabo is if the Revolutionary Army eventually becomes a villain and Luffy has to fight Dragon, and that just doesn't seem likely.

We like to see the heroes and villains get what's coming to them and often we want it to be karmic, with the good guys getting good things and bad guys getting bad things. Well that just can't be the case if Drama is going to work. Drama and all good narratives are driven by conflict in one form or another. Right now Oda's goal is going to be making the threats in the New World seem as threatening as possible and highlighting the fact that the fun times of the 'Paradise' are long gone.

Burgess getting the fruit would serve the narrative a thousand times more than anyone else getting it as they are currently presented in the narrative.
User avatar #195 - snowshark (02/09/2014) [-]
On Kaido, I think he will definitely be getting his own Arc and I think you're right to say Big Mama will be dealt with in this arc. And I do agree with the King thing too, making a grand total of three Straw-Hat aligned Kingdoms.

But I disagree on the Blackbeard thing. Blackbeard has been treated wholly differently to every other One Piece villain in that Blackbeard is simply a dark version of Luffy. Think about it, personality wise they are both incredibly similar. Blackbeard is older and more immoral, as well as more ruthless, but neither of them seem to have any sense of shame, they both have immense conviction in their actions, they're both after the same goal, they both have a focus on their dreams, they're both a little clumsy and kinda goofballs in their own right but are utterly terrifying when push comes to shove. And above all else they both see themselves as pirates, however they see themselves as very 'different' kinds of pirates. Luffy is the ultimate peacemain and Blackbeared is the ultimate Morganeer.

Luffy is a born Pirate King. Everything has just fallen into his lap and he walks through the world with a tremendous amount of luck following his actions. Blackbeard had to struggle and calculate his way to the top. His crew didn't just wander up to him along his adventures like they did with Luffy, he went out and got them specifically. Blackbeard is in some way's Luffy's opposite and other ways his mirror image and in all ways his equal.

I see Blackbeard and his crew as the Elite Four of the One Piece world whilst Shanks is more of the Professor Oak. Blackbeard is the fight to win the Ocean whilst Shanks is the fight to prove Luffy's own worth. In that sense, I see Blackbeard as the End Boss, perhaps not of the series, but of the Grand Line. Shanks is Luffy proving himself to his greatest idol whilst Blackbeard is Luffy besting his greatest enemy.

I think it really comes down to how you 'define' end-boss.
User avatar #179 - snowshark (02/09/2014) [-]
As for joining the crew:

Law - So long as Law has his own crew he won't join. He will become an ally to Luffy in a similar vain to the various pirate crews that serve under Blackbeard.

Sabo - Sabo is clearly dedicated to Dragon, due to his speech focussed around the Devil's fruit that will inevitably be going to either Rebecca or Burgess with Burgess being the most likely.

Koala - No connection to the Straw Hats at all so there's that.

Bellamy - He is a good candidate but his ability is pretty much identical to Luffy's only it has less variety. (I.E: They both use methods that store energy before releasing it instantly: Elastic/Spring) Oda obviously intends to keep the Straw Hat pirates as disparate as possible in all regards to the point where only two of them even share the same hair colour.

Rebecca - This is the strongest case, given how much we have been made to like her over this arc. However she is still well off joining the crew as of yet. She has yet to have a truly defining moment where she chooses to join and we've seen no indication as of yet that that is actually even coming, especially since her goal in life is just to live happily with her father as opposed to all of the other Straw Hats who have their own grand agendas and reasons for joining Luffy.

That is the strongest evidence against Rebecca by the way. From very early on when we meet the Straw Hats we are made to understand their drive to travel the oceans. Chopper's Universal Panacea, Sanji's All-blue, Robin's Phoneglyphs, Nami's map of the world, etc.

Rebecca has no big driving force that isn't being catered to and honestly neither do any of these other characters. Sabo's drive is to serve Dragon. Koala is likely the same for the same reasons as Sabo. Rebecca doesn't even have one. Bellamy and Law are both tied to Doflamingo with no ulterior goals... but Bartholomeo isn't. In fact he fits all the criteria nicely as I will go into in my final comment.
User avatar #182 - joekerr (02/09/2014) [-]
You didn't read comment I linked, did you? Kinda repetitive till Bellamy ;).
We don't know enough about Rebecca yet.
User avatar #186 - snowshark (02/09/2014) [-]
... okay fine, I didn't. But in my defence the link doesn't work for me!
User avatar #190 - joekerr (02/09/2014) [-]
That's because i screwed up with the coding ... here:
mangastream.com/blog/23
User avatar #185 - snowshark (02/09/2014) [-]
I did, but I like to be comprehensive.
User avatar #178 - snowshark (02/09/2014) [-]
I'd point out that you can only consider that to be a sign of Luffy maturing if it is previously stated or at least implied that he himself would have tackled the situation differently earlier on in the series. Luffy is the guy who smiled when he was about to die and he has always held the same level of anger against anyone who hurts the people he cares about, and even the one's he doesn't to the point where he didn't think twice about going to war with the world.

Now, these don't apply to Luffy's breakdown because they don't revolve around grief, however there are two instances that do matter in this regard. Firstly, the fight against Kuma where Luffy thinks his friends are dead, and secondly the burning of Merry. Now Merry was sent off extremely well and Luffy did cry, however he got over it incredibly quickly, with the only one actually being very affected by the events being Usopp. So that's out of the picture, but it's also a lower level of grief.

So we're left with the Kuma fight. In this instance Luffy acts very similarly to how he does after Ace's death. Though there are some differences such as him falling unconscious from shock, both times we see Luffy getting angry and lashing out at the things around him. In the case of Kuma he had something solid to direct his anger towards, but with Ace there wasn't, so he just attacked everything around him. In both cases Luffy didn't have enough time to come to any decisions on his own. Jinbe pulled Luffy from his misery by reminding him of his nakama (not something he has ever dismissed the importance of, as I've stated already) and with Kuma Luffy quickly realised that what happened to him must have happened to his friends and quickly accepts that they are still alive. He doesn't question it, there is no doubt, he just 'knows' they're alive.

In neither case does Luffy come to a conclusion that changes his outlook and in so doing his personality. He hasn't matured at all as the series has gone on.
#181 - joekerr (02/09/2014) [-]
I will answer your respective answers.

No, not true. Luffy realized his own limits and that he wasn't cut for being pirate king yet AND that he was utterly defeated because of that. He grew and carries Ace's memento in his heart.

Luffy's Epic Punch - Gomu Gomu No Red Hawk ! HD
User avatar #184 - snowshark (02/09/2014) [-]
Okay, that is a good point. Now let me prove why you're wrong!

Because there is this book I read that says so.

Wait... no, I'm not a creationist. You've got a good point there. I concede. He's still not developed much but that is a pretty revelatory moment. It isn't something that is out of character with him or shows a real change because this is actually the third time this has happened. Firstly being Shanks losing his arm. Sabo losing his li- pfffft ha ha ha. Sorry, couldn't even finish the sentence. And now Ace's death. After each time he acknowledges his weakness and resolves to wait until he is stronger, notably how he doesn't leave the island until he is the same age Ace was when he left.

So it's not something either new for him or out of character, but it is a long-overdue wake-up call and since then he has acted a little more Kingly, even though I could easily make the argument that his actions are not really any different to how he would have acted before... but I won't since by this point it is merely becoming subjective.

So yeah, I'll concede that is him having a moment of maturity that affects his later behaviour. Well debated.
#188 - joekerr (02/09/2014) [-]
You don't know how much I needed this*) ... Thanks.
Sabo being alive was pretty obvious imho btw ... the very same chapter he "died" Oda hinted a connection of Zoro's Dojo to the revolutionary army and Dragon saving Sabo's ass - via Ivankov probably.

May I assume I have wakened your interest in my upcoming "content" ?

*) Look at my latest content. I initiated a shitstorm by calling a caption "created content" ... <.<
User avatar #191 - snowshark (02/09/2014) [-]
Eh, it's more of a continuity nod than a connection... but it counts.

And no, you've not wakened my interest because that implies it was ever slumbering. I give a shit about whatever people post on here and only -after- seeing it will I decide if it was any good or not.
#192 - joekerr (02/09/2014) [-]
I'll PM you when I'm done. Might take a week, got some exams up.
#88 - warlockrichard (02/07/2014) [-]
I fucking love kingdom
User avatar #128 - ninpir (02/07/2014) [-]
What episode from Sup is that gif from?
User avatar #130 - warlockrichard (02/07/2014) [-]
not sure sorry
#94 - snowshark (02/07/2014) [-]
Who wouldn't?
User avatar #116 - northway (02/07/2014) [-]
ch375 now
User avatar #127 - ninpir (02/07/2014) [-]
wait......375? The last one i thought was earlier today and it was 321.
User avatar #169 - northway (02/08/2014) [-]
nope 375 out already. English version, however, is only 321. While the raw and chinese translation is 375 (HD).
User avatar #153 - snowshark (02/07/2014) [-]
The manga has been out for a while and is only now being scanlated, hence why it comes out in chunks, since it's catching up.
#31 - several years ago, one of their models had a large problem wit…  [+] (2 new replies) 02/07/2014 on Honest Slogans 4# +2
#45 - jabzilla (02/07/2014) [-]
another one was the mats under the pedals would suck in women's high heels and their feet would be practically glued to the gas so they had dozens of crashes and a ton of their cars had to replace the floors
#33 - andypanda (02/07/2014) [-]
oh yeah i remember now, thanks
#32 - gotta remember, zoro is a human that started out the same as e…  [+] (58 new replies) 02/07/2014 on Just Zoro +16
User avatar #52 - hugora (02/07/2014) [-]
So was Krillin and that nigga can fly
#97 - Rascal (02/07/2014) [-]
Tien's probably better than Krillin
User avatar #100 - hugora (02/07/2014) [-]
Tien's a better fighter, smarter if you will but krillin is stronger.
Anyhow I do believe Tien would win on a match against Krillin.
User avatar #142 - gorginhanson (02/07/2014) [-]
Tien is the strongest human.
User avatar #56 - froghole (02/07/2014) [-]
zoro can use haki. different laws apply to each universe.
User avatar #81 - snowshark (02/07/2014) [-]
Yeah well at least Krillen can't get lost in a one-way corridor.
#134 - Rascal (02/07/2014) [-]
Thats because Krillen dies 20m down the corridor
User avatar #161 - snowshark (02/07/2014) [-]
Giving him a little too much credit there, aren't you?
User avatar #82 - froghole (02/07/2014) [-]
EXTREMELY valid point.
#84 - snowshark (02/07/2014) [-]
Seriously though, it would be nice to see a shounen series where the characters progress on an emotional level rather than just a physical one. It's harder to do as people still need to like the characters but the only shounen I can think of that really gets the right balance of a character's personal and physical progress right is Kingdom.
#123 - Rascal (02/07/2014) [-]
but the characters on one piece have all had massive journeys, the powerups are secondary to that
User avatar #160 - snowshark (02/07/2014) [-]
Actually, that's not entirely the case. In One Piece though the characters have traveled a long way they haven't changed much at all. Zoro's last point of change that wasn't only about being stronger happened all the way back in East Blue when he fought Tashigi and before that when he lost to Hawkeye. Their personalities between then and now are essentially identical.

Nami has changed but her times of change only happened around Arlong and Hachi, anything between those points or afterwards has left her largely the same and even the Hachi thing was pretty small all things considered as we never see her holding animosity towards mermaids or fishmen before that point, meaning it's all to do with Hachi.

Luffy has barely ever changed. His personality is largely the same and whilst you could argue he has grown a stronger sense of duty it never really shows. Luffy has always taken the best course of action, either by accident or through him just seeing it as the best course of action, and nothing since then has made him doubt himself or his capacity as a leader or even a human being. When he thinks his friends are dead he has a breakdown but then quickly gets back on the horse in the chase for Ace and after that he has another breakdown where he realises he still has his nakama... something that is in no way a revelation to him as a character.

If anything, the only sign that he is developing at all is his choice to wait two years before entering the New World but even that doesn't seem like a big change given Luffy's propensity to never suffer for his actions because turns out everything he does always works out fine in the end.

Chopper has gone through the most change, developing the acceptance that he is a monster, however given that it only ever comes up as a plot point during his introduction arc it's not a big deal.

I wish I could say he and Usopp have become less cowardly however they still freak out at every possible chance, so it rings kinda hollow to say so.
User avatar #171 - joekerr (02/08/2014) [-]
I'd like to elaborate just a little bit on that. They all matured in their own way and especially during the timeskip and because of Ace's passing.
User avatar #174 - snowshark (02/08/2014) [-]
However, have they really? Have there been any really differences in their personalities or their approaches to things outside of their initial arcs and the time-skip? I would argue that they've been on a journey, but their personalities have remained frightfully stagnant. It's not a bad thing because we don't read One Piece to see these characters change, we read it for other reasons and read other manga like Kingdom or Soul Eater to see characters we care for grow and evolve over time. However they really haven't changed much at all and what changes there have been have been largely superficial.

E.G: Sanji nearly died on several occasions because of his womanising. However he has never changed it. He doesn't need to but it 'is' his hamartia.

Usopp is a habitual coward and the only character to actually have interesting character development outside of his own dedicated arc. That development was in the Enis Lobby arc and it was when he learned to put other people before himself and to truly respect Luffy, his first big step on his road to becoming a brave warrior of the sea. However even then he still acts like a coward a lot of the time because... it's funny. His character is the only one to have actually gone through meaningful change. Even across the time-skip none of the characters seem to have changed their personalities in a meaningful manner. The most meaningful change being the disappearance of Franky's cola-based humour.

But as I said, they don't -need- to change. It wouldn't be the same kind of story if they did. Just like a lack of character development in Kingdom would be bad for the story that is being told, the reverse is true for One Piece.
User avatar #175 - joekerr (02/08/2014) [-]
Well, I agreed with you from the beginning . "Maturing" doesn't necessarily imply "big" change. Their experiences don't go unnoticed.

Usopp really is a funny and interesting guy, a real man at the core. Funny thing is that all of his lies are becoming true throughout the series

I got some theories, remember? We had a talk half a year ago. I am planning on posting one of these as content very soon. Interested?
User avatar #176 - snowshark (02/09/2014) [-]
Yeah, but given it's an anime theory I don't expect it to reach the frontpage though perhaps that's just a tad cynical. And it's the one about the superweapons, no?

Either way, I'd argue that for some of the characters 'matured' means' grew bigger breasts/wears lest clothes/grew a goatee, but whatever, the point is pretty moot here. I'm just enjoying the Dresrossa arc, the first really engaging arc in... phew, years.
User avatar #177 - joekerr (02/09/2014) [-]
I am saving that one about the weapons for the longer time, but yes, that was what we talked about when I joined the community here. I need more evidence points and hints to work with to make it entertaining.
I am posting one which is more relatable and I didn't discuss that thoroughly yet. Not sure about frontpage, but very sure about leaving funnyjunk. It's not new, but I have never seen it pieced together as a whole.

I mean with mature that they took some decisions and / or impacts on their lives with which they are dealing appropiately, e. g. Luffy's very short depression cured by Jimbei. It's not such a big thing, something you catch in the details, a few behavorial shifts. As I said, I agree w/ you No big changes.

Don't get me started on Dressrosa This arc will have effects on the new world as the war of the best, if my predictions are correct. Maybe I'll make that content, too.
Pretty sure about "Thunder soldier = Kyros". Kora-san is a word play of the spanish word for "heart", so I think Law talked about his predecessor ... ^^
I am wondering who would be most likely to join the SH-crew ... most reasonable could be Rebecca, but not sure about that. On magastream there was a good argumentation against Law, Koala and Sabo, but who knows ... searching for that one ... [url=mangastream.com/blog/23]click[/url] (let's see if this does what i want it to)
User avatar #180 - snowshark (02/09/2014) [-]
Bartolomeo is without a doubt the strongest contender. He has his own unique humour which is important for Straw Hat candidacy. He has an unique and distinct design and power. He would have an interesting dynamic with the rest of the group. He has an interesting backstory though he would be by far the least relatable of the Straw Hats, due to his unashamedly violent past... however he is just so likeable a character I doubt that would matter. He has a crew all his own, however he would probably ditch them at a moment's notice. He has his own grand drive in the ocean, which is the direct servitude to Luffy.

Whilst it is equally as likely that Bartolomeo will end up as a supporting captain much like with Law, Bart is the only one of the bunch who fits the necessary criteria.
User avatar #183 - joekerr (02/09/2014) [-]
Nah, Bartolomeo won't join, he is a fanboy with his own gangs. I think he will be kind of allied or join a fleet ... to many other things ... his development is one of the many factors of the Dressrosa Arc. Please understand that I won't elaborate much on this.
User avatar #187 - snowshark (02/09/2014) [-]
I think at this point it is 50/50. But either way it doesn't matter, he's just a good character.
#189 - joekerr (02/09/2014) [-]
Oh yeah, hilarious. I was wondering all the time what his power's weakness is - i guess last chapter revealed it: He can't create barriers behind him, that's why he freakened out so hard when Rebecca was behind him. Also, I would find it very interesting for Rebecca to get the fire fruit - although Sabo would be the perfect person to inherit it.
User avatar #193 - snowshark (02/09/2014) [-]
Let's be comprehensive here:

1) I kinda figured that would be Bartolomeo's weakness the moment his fruit was revealed as I'm sure you did too due to his pose whilst making it. I imagine he can only create the one at a time too.

2) Rebecca or Burgess with Burgess being the most likely. From a narrative standpoint there is no reason to give it to Sabo that is more compelling than the reasons to give it to Rebecca or Burgess.
It won't be Diamante because that would serve no interesting narrative purpose and he already has his own fruit.
It won't be Bartolomeo because that would just end up with the fruit in Luffy's hands and he would probably end up giving it to Sabo or Rebecca anyway. Probably Sabo.
It probably won't be Rebecca due to the fruit's significance and her insignificance thusfar. If she gets it she will become very important and I doubt she will, however she would suit the visual style of having it nicely as a flaming gladiator.
It won't be Sabo because this fruit is going to play a 'massive' part in the rest of the series, hence why it is being reintroduced here. Giving it to Sabo would be nice but it wouldn't have anywhere near the same impact as -

Burgess. Burgess was the first member of the Blackbeard crew introduced, before even Blackbeard if I remember correctly. Burgess is a massively important part of Blackbeard's crew and currently has no established fighting style outside of masked wrestling, something that puts him at a major disadvantage against the Straw Hat fighters. We are supposed to detest Blackbeard and his entire crew and Blackbeard has the most ties to Ace out of all the remaining villains.

Blackbeard is being established as the end-boss of the series with only Akainu coming even close to Blackbeard's villainous significance. Hence his crew needs to embody the feeling of being the ultimate challenge both emotionally and physically for the Straw Hats.

Burgess is by far the biggest narrative contender for the fruit.
User avatar #207 - joekerr (02/09/2014) [-]
Nothing to add anymore. Nice discussion
User avatar #205 - joekerr (02/09/2014) [-]
Depends which Flash you're talking about though

That was a pretty fast combo imho ... Whitebeard got stuck, his sons were shocked and then joz got frozen, marco handcuffed and shot ... pretty quickly. Sea stone handcuffs + shock were quite the disadvantage at that moment.
User avatar #206 - snowshark (02/09/2014) [-]
Okay, I'll give you that one, however it still highlights his un-godliness. Oda does a great job at not only making all of the astoundingly strong powers get cut down to size nicely but also at making the weak, the weird, and otherwise mundane powers seem incredibly applicable and creative. We really get the impression that everyone, Devils fruit or no, stands on the same platform with no one person standing above any one other in their capabilities. The strongest Devil's Fruit user couldn't beat Gol.D Roger and that was when he was much younger and not on what was essentially life-support.

And so far as we know it, Roger didn't have any Devil-Fruit powers... maybe he did, but I don't think so. It's never stated so I think he just became the most dangerous man alive through the use of his own two hands, which really would fit into the egalitarian writing that Oda favours, where even the regular people can topple the magical-fruit eaters.
User avatar #203 - joekerr (02/09/2014) [-]
Ah sorry, but Marco was pretty unscathed ^^. He took that light attack on purpose.

But yes, the fruits depend on one's individuality. You could compare it to Flash and Professors Zoom from the DC Comics ... did you watch the Time paradox movie or even read the movies? This is exactly spoken of ... the Flash is superior to Zoom because of his higher creativity.
User avatar #204 - snowshark (02/09/2014) [-]
He got clapped in Seastone cuffs if I'm not mistaken and then Borsalino just toyed with him after that.

Honestly, I hate the Flash. I mean, wow, way to take a single gimmick so far you create the most astoundingly broken character in the room. If he just ran quickly I would be okay with it, but he is -WAY- too powerful to the point where almost nobody will even write for him anymore.

When he's downplayed he's fine and I like his personality, but at the same time, that rarely happens.
User avatar #201 - joekerr (02/09/2014) [-]
Sry, made a mistake at that Shanks stuff. They don't mirror Luffy's crew, they are more likely equals. Blackbeard's crew are opposites to that of Luffy whereas Shanks is the similiar one.
In terms of devil fruits, mystic zoan was said to be the most powerful group (-> marco's phoenix fruit).
Right now, the strongest power is in posession since Whitebeard died ... and we don't know what else he already stole.
Jesus would be a fucking beast, ofc.
#208 - sry (02/11/2014) [-]
User avatar #202 - snowshark (02/09/2014) [-]
Yeah, I know about the Mystic Zoan but even then the only one of them we've met thusfar has thoroughly gotten his butt kicked by a Logia who in turn got his arse whupped by a normal human with Haki. So we've reached the point where the nature of the powers are starting to become fairy inconsequential compared to the user themselves. Certainly some are more inherently powerful/useful than others but we've seen how a seemingly worthless fruit that turns your body into rubber is actually one of the best fruits it's possible to get due to it's widespread application whilst the most powerful Devil's Fruit there is (or at least that is said to exist thus-far in the story) only appears to be capable of doing the one thing, that is wrecking stuff.

So really it comes largely down to the user more than the fruit itself.
User avatar #198 - joekerr (02/09/2014) [-]
[Jesus getting fruit being high quality plot] --> *sigh*. Gotta agree w/ that. Kinda fanboyish w/ Rebecca and Sabo getting it. Would be great to finally have a Logia on Luffy's team ... but I wouldn't mind Aokiji joining, too ... but that's too much of speculation, got nothing for that.
User avatar #200 - snowshark (02/09/2014) [-]
Luffy's team doesn't need a Logia and I think it's kinda stronger without it. Logia are painted as the ultimate in Devils-Fruit power however Luffy however thusfar we've not seen all that many Logia that haven't had their arses handed to them by Paramecia/Zoan users or even non-Devil-Fruit-users.

Borsalino is put in his place by Reiligh who doesn't even seem to be serious when fighting him. Luffy beats both Enel and Crocodile using their Devil-Fruits big weakness, Aokiji gets thoroughly emasculated by a furious Whitebeard and whilst he does land some devastating hits in the end he barely even phases Newgate in the fight.

It would seem that when you reach the level of power of the people in the New World that the title of 'Logia' no longer bears any relevance. They are no longer the bastions of strength that we see them as in the former sea, it just gets to the point where they're little more than any other Devil Fruit user.

If you have the Haki to punch them, they're no different to Paramecia really.

Also, on the topic of Burgess... imagine what... with fists as big as his... 'HIS' fire-fist would be like?
User avatar #197 - joekerr (02/09/2014) [-]
Can't reply to the latest post, so i do it here.

I think big mama will be more of a transition arc to Zou or something like that. There's also the Wano kingdom to be thought of ... might be in a war with Kaidou or something and Mugiwara saves another country. Would fit.

Well yeah, the definition of end-boss is really subjective. I liked your Pokemon metaphora and I totally agree with the mirroring stuff. Blackbeard got 10 grand captains whereas Luffy still lacks his tenth member. His crew will be the Top 4, he will be the champion.
Did you know that Oak was originally intended to battle you right after the Champ? He is programmed into the game and uses the last starter that wasnt picked. Oak is Shanks, the one after Blackbeard, the one you don't see. After defeating his arch enemy, Luffy gotta surpass his ideals - and I am VERY sure Shanks' crew mirrors Luffy's own ... hell he got Yasopp with him I guess Mihawk will also be there, he got that buddy-bond w/ Shanks.

Let's just wait who turns out to be right. Just 10 years
User avatar #199 - snowshark (02/09/2014) [-]
Aye, I know about Oak, hence I said Oak. However I doubt Shanks' crew is going to mirror Luffy's, otherwise it would have been foreshadowed already in some respect. No, it's really only Shanks and Yassop who have any ties to the Straw Hats. However when Fujitora demolishes the Schibukai I can see Hawkeye joining Shanks or at least just wandering about the Ocean until Zoro tracks him down. Either way, Zoro still needs to sort out that cockteasing with Tashigi.

Honestly, there has been no foreshadowing towards trials for some of the characters to face thus-far.

Luffy - Blackbeard/Shanks
Zoro - Hawkeye/Tashigi
Franky - Vegapunk
Usopp - (Possibly Yassop but at this point it's not really that solid.)
Sanji -
Robin -
Nami -
Chopper - (Closest we have is the doctor in Blackbeard's crew)
Brooke -

So... yeah. I don't think the challenge will be coming from Shanks' crew, though I do imagine we'll be seeing each character finding some trial to overcome.
User avatar #194 - joekerr (02/09/2014) [-]
1) To be honest, no I didn't. Thought he was op. ^^

2) I can very well follow your argumentation, but I still see Rebecca and Sabo as more likely as Burgess, because I don't see Blackbeard as the end boss. I think the last yonko Luffy battles will be Shanks - 1st big mama, 2nd kaido, 3d bb (wild guess, but I have a feeling here).

Kaido: He will lose his trading partner Dofla and the source of smile. He is going to be pissed off and going to be the next Yonko they'll get down. I wonder if they combine the two supernovae alliances for that purpose.

Big Mama: I think there might be more ass wooping than we expect - but no defeat by Sanji himself alone. As I think that she's Lola's mum, she owes the SH on one hand. On the other hand there's those explosives in the treasure with the pearls and Cäsar. Luffy declared war on her and wants to make Fishman Island his turf. When everyone is turned back, Luffy will probably have more followers than just Chinjao's army. This will be quite the nice battle ... right after Dofla, Joker, will be taken in by the "Blind" justice. This is also where I'll see Barto - another one of the fleet which will come to be after this arc. After Neptune we also have the next king who might be interested into putting up the flag with a Jolly Roger wearing a straw hat.

Blackbeard: That dude will be enraged to lose the firefruit ... to "Lucy" (=Luffy for Blackbeard) or someone unknown. I guess that he will come right after Kaido.
Who would help Luffy with that? Well Marco and the rest of the Whitebeard alliance, ofc. Luffy is their hope, the one who carries Ace's will and the one whom they were ordered to protect.

Shanks being the last yonko would fit into the continuity the best ... and that he tells Luffy the way to Raftel. You know that I think after finding One Piece they will sail the grand line once again to wage battle on Mariejois - this is where he has to defeat the World government and the 5 wise. This is just more likely imho.
User avatar #196 - snowshark (02/09/2014) [-]
Also, Sabo getting the fruit would be pointless. We already care a great deal for Sabo as a character and him getting the fruit would be nice, however it would be nowhere as meaningful or impactful as Burgess getting it. See, the fruit is going to play a big part in the coming story and giving it to the bad guys will only heighten the tension whilst giving it to Sabo will only lessen it. The only way it will be going to Sabo is if the Revolutionary Army eventually becomes a villain and Luffy has to fight Dragon, and that just doesn't seem likely.

We like to see the heroes and villains get what's coming to them and often we want it to be karmic, with the good guys getting good things and bad guys getting bad things. Well that just can't be the case if Drama is going to work. Drama and all good narratives are driven by conflict in one form or another. Right now Oda's goal is going to be making the threats in the New World seem as threatening as possible and highlighting the fact that the fun times of the 'Paradise' are long gone.

Burgess getting the fruit would serve the narrative a thousand times more than anyone else getting it as they are currently presented in the narrative.
User avatar #195 - snowshark (02/09/2014) [-]
On Kaido, I think he will definitely be getting his own Arc and I think you're right to say Big Mama will be dealt with in this arc. And I do agree with the King thing too, making a grand total of three Straw-Hat aligned Kingdoms.

But I disagree on the Blackbeard thing. Blackbeard has been treated wholly differently to every other One Piece villain in that Blackbeard is simply a dark version of Luffy. Think about it, personality wise they are both incredibly similar. Blackbeard is older and more immoral, as well as more ruthless, but neither of them seem to have any sense of shame, they both have immense conviction in their actions, they're both after the same goal, they both have a focus on their dreams, they're both a little clumsy and kinda goofballs in their own right but are utterly terrifying when push comes to shove. And above all else they both see themselves as pirates, however they see themselves as very 'different' kinds of pirates. Luffy is the ultimate peacemain and Blackbeared is the ultimate Morganeer.

Luffy is a born Pirate King. Everything has just fallen into his lap and he walks through the world with a tremendous amount of luck following his actions. Blackbeard had to struggle and calculate his way to the top. His crew didn't just wander up to him along his adventures like they did with Luffy, he went out and got them specifically. Blackbeard is in some way's Luffy's opposite and other ways his mirror image and in all ways his equal.

I see Blackbeard and his crew as the Elite Four of the One Piece world whilst Shanks is more of the Professor Oak. Blackbeard is the fight to win the Ocean whilst Shanks is the fight to prove Luffy's own worth. In that sense, I see Blackbeard as the End Boss, perhaps not of the series, but of the Grand Line. Shanks is Luffy proving himself to his greatest idol whilst Blackbeard is Luffy besting his greatest enemy.

I think it really comes down to how you 'define' end-boss.
User avatar #179 - snowshark (02/09/2014) [-]
As for joining the crew:

Law - So long as Law has his own crew he won't join. He will become an ally to Luffy in a similar vain to the various pirate crews that serve under Blackbeard.

Sabo - Sabo is clearly dedicated to Dragon, due to his speech focussed around the Devil's fruit that will inevitably be going to either Rebecca or Burgess with Burgess being the most likely.

Koala - No connection to the Straw Hats at all so there's that.

Bellamy - He is a good candidate but his ability is pretty much identical to Luffy's only it has less variety. (I.E: They both use methods that store energy before releasing it instantly: Elastic/Spring) Oda obviously intends to keep the Straw Hat pirates as disparate as possible in all regards to the point where only two of them even share the same hair colour.

Rebecca - This is the strongest case, given how much we have been made to like her over this arc. However she is still well off joining the crew as of yet. She has yet to have a truly defining moment where she chooses to join and we've seen no indication as of yet that that is actually even coming, especially since her goal in life is just to live happily with her father as opposed to all of the other Straw Hats who have their own grand agendas and reasons for joining Luffy.

That is the strongest evidence against Rebecca by the way. From very early on when we meet the Straw Hats we are made to understand their drive to travel the oceans. Chopper's Universal Panacea, Sanji's All-blue, Robin's Phoneglyphs, Nami's map of the world, etc.

Rebecca has no big driving force that isn't being catered to and honestly neither do any of these other characters. Sabo's drive is to serve Dragon. Koala is likely the same for the same reasons as Sabo. Rebecca doesn't even have one. Bellamy and Law are both tied to Doflamingo with no ulterior goals... but Bartholomeo isn't. In fact he fits all the criteria nicely as I will go into in my final comment.
User avatar #182 - joekerr (02/09/2014) [-]
You didn't read comment I linked, did you? Kinda repetitive till Bellamy ;).
We don't know enough about Rebecca yet.
User avatar #186 - snowshark (02/09/2014) [-]
... okay fine, I didn't. But in my defence the link doesn't work for me!
User avatar #190 - joekerr (02/09/2014) [-]
That's because i screwed up with the coding ... here:
mangastream.com/blog/23
User avatar #185 - snowshark (02/09/2014) [-]
I did, but I like to be comprehensive.
User avatar #178 - snowshark (02/09/2014) [-]
I'd point out that you can only consider that to be a sign of Luffy maturing if it is previously stated or at least implied that he himself would have tackled the situation differently earlier on in the series. Luffy is the guy who smiled when he was about to die and he has always held the same level of anger against anyone who hurts the people he cares about, and even the one's he doesn't to the point where he didn't think twice about going to war with the world.

Now, these don't apply to Luffy's breakdown because they don't revolve around grief, however there are two instances that do matter in this regard. Firstly, the fight against Kuma where Luffy thinks his friends are dead, and secondly the burning of Merry. Now Merry was sent off extremely well and Luffy did cry, however he got over it incredibly quickly, with the only one actually being very affected by the events being Usopp. So that's out of the picture, but it's also a lower level of grief.

So we're left with the Kuma fight. In this instance Luffy acts very similarly to how he does after Ace's death. Though there are some differences such as him falling unconscious from shock, both times we see Luffy getting angry and lashing out at the things around him. In the case of Kuma he had something solid to direct his anger towards, but with Ace there wasn't, so he just attacked everything around him. In both cases Luffy didn't have enough time to come to any decisions on his own. Jinbe pulled Luffy from his misery by reminding him of his nakama (not something he has ever dismissed the importance of, as I've stated already) and with Kuma Luffy quickly realised that what happened to him must have happened to his friends and quickly accepts that they are still alive. He doesn't question it, there is no doubt, he just 'knows' they're alive.

In neither case does Luffy come to a conclusion that changes his outlook and in so doing his personality. He hasn't matured at all as the series has gone on.
#181 - joekerr (02/09/2014) [-]
I will answer your respective answers.

No, not true. Luffy realized his own limits and that he wasn't cut for being pirate king yet AND that he was utterly defeated because of that. He grew and carries Ace's memento in his heart.

Luffy's Epic Punch - Gomu Gomu No Red Hawk ! HD
User avatar #184 - snowshark (02/09/2014) [-]
Okay, that is a good point. Now let me prove why you're wrong!

Because there is this book I read that says so.

Wait... no, I'm not a creationist. You've got a good point there. I concede. He's still not developed much but that is a pretty revelatory moment. It isn't something that is out of character with him or shows a real change because this is actually the third time this has happened. Firstly being Shanks losing his arm. Sabo losing his li- pfffft ha ha ha. Sorry, couldn't even finish the sentence. And now Ace's death. After each time he acknowledges his weakness and resolves to wait until he is stronger, notably how he doesn't leave the island until he is the same age Ace was when he left.

So it's not something either new for him or out of character, but it is a long-overdue wake-up call and since then he has acted a little more Kingly, even though I could easily make the argument that his actions are not really any different to how he would have acted before... but I won't since by this point it is merely becoming subjective.

So yeah, I'll concede that is him having a moment of maturity that affects his later behaviour. Well debated.
#188 - joekerr (02/09/2014) [-]
You don't know how much I needed this*) ... Thanks.
Sabo being alive was pretty obvious imho btw ... the very same chapter he "died" Oda hinted a connection of Zoro's Dojo to the revolutionary army and Dragon saving Sabo's ass - via Ivankov probably.

May I assume I have wakened your interest in my upcoming "content" ?

*) Look at my latest content. I initiated a shitstorm by calling a caption "created content" ... <.<
User avatar #191 - snowshark (02/09/2014) [-]
Eh, it's more of a continuity nod than a connection... but it counts.

And no, you've not wakened my interest because that implies it was ever slumbering. I give a shit about whatever people post on here and only -after- seeing it will I decide if it was any good or not.
#192 - joekerr (02/09/2014) [-]
I'll PM you when I'm done. Might take a week, got some exams up.
#88 - warlockrichard (02/07/2014) [-]
I fucking love kingdom
User avatar #128 - ninpir (02/07/2014) [-]
What episode from Sup is that gif from?
User avatar #130 - warlockrichard (02/07/2014) [-]
not sure sorry
#94 - snowshark (02/07/2014) [-]
Who wouldn't?
User avatar #116 - northway (02/07/2014) [-]
ch375 now
User avatar #127 - ninpir (02/07/2014) [-]
wait......375? The last one i thought was earlier today and it was 321.
User avatar #169 - northway (02/08/2014) [-]
nope 375 out already. English version, however, is only 321. While the raw and chinese translation is 375 (HD).
User avatar #153 - snowshark (02/07/2014) [-]
The manga has been out for a while and is only now being scanlated, hence why it comes out in chunks, since it's catching up.
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User avatar #48 - hyeroshi (02/07/2014) [-]
But Goku isn't super human. He's super Saiyan.
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