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#14 - I read that different countries use a . instead of a , 20 hours ago on Do you press it or not? +1
#9 - Why was she not allowed an abortion?  [+] (52 new replies) 21 hours ago on brutal +79
#124 - Ken M (2 hours ago) [-]
Not sure but after a while you have it you cant go through abortion
User avatar #10 - junala (19 hours ago) [-]
#120 - firesky (3 hours ago) [-]
Afaik it isn't much better in some countries like US.
#121 - afaik (3 hours ago) [-]
User avatar #97 - aviatrix (4 hours ago) [-]
And this is where some Christians want America to be.
#51 - gharshi (6 hours ago) [-]
"Abortion in Turkey is legal until the 10th week after the conception, although that can be extended to the 20th week if the pregnancy threatens the woman's mental and/or physical health, or if the conception occurred through rape. The woman's consent is required. If the woman is married, the consent of the husband is also required. Single women over the age of 18 can choose to have an abortion on their own."

User avatar #26 - alfonshister (9 hours ago) [-]
if it was about islam the authorities would have sentenced him to death.

also, you got any quotation for that abortion thing?
User avatar #34 - crutos (7 hours ago) [-]
if it was islam the woman would have been punished for the rape, for the birth of the child and for the nude photos.

they wouldn't have cared about the man at all.
#65 - hurzg (5 hours ago) [-]
Yeah, I'm sure whoever fits your moral code is perfectly good and the ones don't are pure evil.
User avatar #37 - alfonshister (7 hours ago) [-]
Pure BS
User avatar #81 - meganinja (4 hours ago) [-]
Saudi Arabia and Turkey have completely different views on shit like this. See, Turkey is probably the most sane Muslim nation, Saudi Arabia is one of the least sane. Like comparing Columbia to Belgium.
User avatar #39 - alfonshister (7 hours ago) [-]
>Implying the saudi government cares about religion

bring me an actual citation from the quran, not the actions of people calling themselves Muslims.
#132 - angelusprimus (2 hours ago) [-]
Sorry, but when entire nations, and it really isn't just saudi arabia its most of the levant and north africa too, and they all use religion as an reason for it.
And they have religious texts to support them.
Qur'an (2:282) - woman's testimony is worth half a man's. Which means if a woman claims rape and man claims he did not rape her, she is immediately at fault.
For Sunni Muslim there is also Bukhari (5:59:462) Hadith, that says it takes four witnesses for an accusation for rape.
User avatar #135 - alfonshister (2 hours ago) [-]

m80 without looking i know that this is from al bawarah, it's in context of lending money to someone, and that you need either two male witnesses or one man and two women, so when one woman forgets it the other can correct her because some women tend to pay more attention to other things, not ALL women . it's NOT about the value of someone's opinion.

and the second one, this thing about 4 witnesses is about infidelity, when a man OR a woman sleep with a woman or a man OUT OF MARRIAGE. the punishment for that only applies when you ahve 4 witnesses.

Rape is a whole other story. Enough proof in any form and the guy / woman get public whiplashes or death sentence.(not sure about the death sentence, that one depends)

as you see, just take a closer look and you see all those things you hear are prejudices. If the governments really cared they would notice. But they are too busy opressing the population and being corrupt. they don't care about rightful laws.
#138 - angelusprimus (2 hours ago) [-]
If you are a muslim and believe that you are a part of a massively tiny minority. Both justice systems of EVERY islamic country IN THE WORLD, and most of the leading islamic scholars today disagree with you.
And when vast majority of the religious leadership, secular authorities AND at very least 9 out of 10 muslim people disagree with you, then your opinion, even if correct, is for all the practical purposes irrelevant.
User avatar #140 - alfonshister (2 hours ago) [-]
it's not about people's opinoins. It's about what the source says. And that's is per se the Qur'an
#141 - angelusprimus (2 hours ago) [-]
But, you see, YOU are interpreting what is in Quran one way, and vast majority of islamic religious leadership who spent their entire lives studying Quran are interpreting it very differently from you.
So who's to say its them who are wrong and you are right? You?
User avatar #142 - alfonshister (2 hours ago) [-]
I take what sounds logical.

And my friend, how can you misinterprete "No compulsion in things of belief?"
#145 - angelusprimus (2 hours ago) [-]
Since I'm a polytheist I can very very much disagree that Quran talks about "No compulsion in things of belief?"
I believe that by Quran I am to have no rights at all under Islamic law.
User avatar #147 - alfonshister (2 hours ago) [-]
#152 - angelusprimus (1 hour ago) [-]
Don't get me wrong, I don't think Islam is any worse than any other religion in the world (mine included), I just don't trust any religion with having secular power.
I don't think laws of religion have any place in governing people's secular lives. Especially not of people who do not belong to that religion. If someone willingly puts themselves to religious court, that is their choice, but no one should be forced in front of a court and tried by laws of a religion.
Take islam out of politics and you have a great religion. As long as its used to govern I will be very skeptical about it.
Because religion has a problem of interpretation. The way you interpret Islam, in a humanist and open way, its fine, but that's NOT the only interpretation. And that's a huge problem when people's lives are at stake.
#149 - angelusprimus (2 hours ago) [-]
Those who worship multiple gods commit shirk, those who commit shirk are enemies of islam. verses 9.1-15
User avatar #156 - alfonshister (1 hour ago) [-]
you saidyou have no rights.
#157 - angelusprimus (43 minutes ago) [-]
Well, convert or die. Which isn't exactly what I'd call rights.
User avatar #159 - alfonshister (24 minutes ago) [-]
where did you get that from

ever heard of "No compulsion in belief" (2:256) ?
#164 - angelusprimus (17 minutes ago) [-]
Yeah I should have stopped when I said I will.
I keep giving sources you keep saying "out of context" and "its not what they meant" without supplying any evidence its out of context or its not exactly how VAST MAJORITY of Islamic scholars see it, which is opposite of how you claim it is.
So I'm done talking to you, I'm just going to say this.
Vast majority of islamic scholars disagree with you, vast majority of muslim disagrees with you. Until that changes I will say that all those people outvote you and they are right and you are wrong.
User avatar #165 - alfonshister (21 seconds ago) [-]
>keep giving sources.
You said you have no rights and then added some verses that talk about what to do in WAR. as long as we live in a peaceful society under a country's law this doesn't apply. Why should it. you even ignore that under the prohpet himself there were religious minorites living in peace, I should have noted that earier.
>Vast majority of islamic scholars disagree with you, vast majority of muslim disagrees with you
m8, when you take an aya out of context all i can do is tell you to read what it is about. don't act surprised. Just because it happens again and again doesn't mean you're suddenöy right.
And all i said were quotations from the Quran and you tell me "people disagree with you" again and again.

where are your correct quotations? As long as there is a logical counterargument I'm right. It's how things work.
#161 - angelusprimus (23 minutes ago) [-]
Ever read the part little bit later where it describes the difference between how to treat people of the book and how to treat polytheists?
User avatar #162 - alfonshister (20 minutes ago) [-]
you said "convert or die"

gimme source. And well, of course god is not going to reward everyone. that wouldn't be fair.
User avatar #40 - crutos (7 hours ago) [-]
I don't give a fucking shit about what it actually says in the fucking book, it is how the people/believers interpret it and acts upon it that fucking matters.
User avatar #44 - alfonshister (6 hours ago) [-]
also, is there a reason you have to use that kind of language in a simple discussion?
User avatar #41 - alfonshister (6 hours ago) [-]
Then it's not the religion, but the people that are misbehaving.
#139 - angelusprimus (2 hours ago) [-]
But when its over 9 in 10 people who belong to the religion are acting like that because religious leaders are telling them to, then its the matter of the religion.
User avatar #42 - crutos (6 hours ago) [-]
Keep telling yourself that...
#43 - alfonshister (6 hours ago) [-]
you still haven't found a single proof that the religion tells people to punish rape victims.
and yet that's what you believe.

Good job.
#47 - crutos (6 hours ago) [-]
>people governs country
>uses established religion in order to do so
>woman gets raped
>government acts on their religious idelology and punishes her because "that is what allah says"
>this is not proof.

have more proof

According to Sharia Law, which is religious law, based on the Quran.
"In case a woman gets raped , she is considered guilty of adultery unless she can provide four adult muslim male witnesses who had watched the action and who would testify that the sex was actually forced on her and that she was not a willing partner in it" - www.islamreview.com/articles/WOMEN_ARE_RESPONSIBLE.shtml

#133 - angelusprimus (2 hours ago) [-]
To be fair, its only Sunni, Shia do not recognize, Bukhari's hadiths.
User avatar #136 - alfonshister (2 hours ago) [-]
it's mostly biased and made up stuff m8. >>#53

I wouldn't call his citations as relevant to Islam at all.
#143 - angelusprimus (2 hours ago) [-]
Good for you.
1.2 billion people disagrees with you.
#144 - alfonshister (2 hours ago) [-]
apparently only one guy disagrees with me. and he tries to convince my everyone else does too.
#151 - angelusprimus (2 hours ago) [-]
1.4 billion Sunni in the world, 1.2 fall under the schools that recognize Bukhari, I'm going to say you have 1.2 billion people disagreeing with you that he is relevant.
Or are you Shia and will claim that Sunni are not real muslims at all. Cos' I've heard that one before.
User avatar #155 - alfonshister (1 hour ago) [-]
>implying buchari's citation wasn't taken out of context.i
#158 - angelusprimus (42 minutes ago) [-]
Ok, I give up.
I'm sure that when billion people think one thing, and hundreds of lifetime scholars think the same, but you think other way, its you who is right and religion is completely nice and blameless.
User avatar #160 - alfonshister (24 minutes ago) [-]
well, you are assuming that this is the actual quote that wasn't taken out of context.

and that's what i doubt.
User avatar #125 - alfonshister (2 hours ago) [-]
also, people governing country? In Saudi Arabia?
cmon. educate yourseld.
User avatar #127 - crutos (2 hours ago) [-]
* "people forms religious dictatorship" then. better?

doesn't really matter. All in all, most of their decision making is heavily influenced by their religious views.
User avatar #129 - alfonshister (2 hours ago) [-]
not if the leader is a monarchist dictator and doesn't care about the population. It's not like the US or Germany or France or wherever you come from. The Middle East is full of corrupt dictatorships.
User avatar #53 - alfonshister (6 hours ago) [-]
Your site is so objective man, rarely see something like that.
Next time try to find someting less biased. Hate sites don't really count.

i mean, there are citations from random people saying stuff. If i call myself Christian, does me saying "Killing is legal" mean it's god's will?

And those Qur'an citations, dude, either it's taken out of context 33:33 right after the citation it says they should not expose themselves like BEFORE, the time before Islam , there is stuff added to it 33:59 litterally says they shall pull covers over themselves, in no way it says only eyes or it's only about leaving in compulsion. that last part is just made up by the writer. While we're at it, why should god tell a woman how to cover herself when she wasn't not allowed to leave the house anyways? things don't add up. or just left out 4:16 how about the law that tells to punish unfaithful partners, wether it's a man or a woman?

i refuse to see your link as credible source.

and now i'm off to university. going to be back in the evening.
#23 - Ken M (10 hours ago) [-]
That's weird considering 2 countries in Europe where abortions are completely illegal are Poland and Ireland, both catholic countries.
#137 - Ken M (2 hours ago) [-]
But that's not correct, at least for Poland.
It's allowed in 3 cases.
#22 - Ken M (10 hours ago) [-]
Apparently in Turkey, you can only have an abortion before the baby reaches a certain week old age, after that it is legally considered a person.

#7 - Thought this was gonna end with "They were playing in a b… 05/03/2015 on Who was feet 0
#10 - x-men rights are held by a different company, so they can't be… 05/03/2015 on Good movie tho +4
#2511 - **fasthink used "*roll 1, 1-999999*"** **fasthink rolls 336,363** 05/02/2015 on Roll for 30 days of pink text 0
#25 - source  [+] (6 new replies) 05/01/2015 on The future is now 0
#100 - nigeltheoutlaw (05/01/2015) [-]
I think I creamed my pants.
#35 - marcury (05/01/2015) [-]
92 years to get there... unless we want to not crash into it at almost light speed, then we need 38 more years... so 130 years... and that's do able? You wouldn't live to see it. or to return.
User avatar #103 - nigeltheoutlaw (05/01/2015) [-]
That's not bad at all compared to previous estimates.
User avatar #67 - gravysponge (05/01/2015) [-]
92 years to get to another solar system, less than a week to get to Mars.
User avatar #36 - deathchain (05/01/2015) [-]
All we need is suitable suspended animation tech, and that problem will become irrelevant.

Failing that, the generation that lands doesn't necessarily need to be the one that set sail.
#1 - 2nd one is rivet city concept art  [+] (1 new reply) 04/30/2015 on Derelict city dump +7
User avatar #2 - goodhomer (04/30/2015) [-]
First one is Wasteland II.
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#7 - You're saying that if you saw someone jump off the building an…  [+] (1 new reply) 04/29/2015 on Girls just want to have +1
User avatar #8 - friedepidermis (04/29/2015) [-]
Although I do find that amazing, I would still realize that 2 tons of dragon is falling my way
#14 - Does his head look ******* huge or is that just me  [+] (2 new replies) 04/29/2015 on apple +11
#27 - Ken M (04/29/2015) [-]
Nah, you look like you have a huge head too.
#17 - Silver Quantum (04/29/2015) [-]

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