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#83163 - If happiness is the primary goal, could not utopia be just peo… 7 hours ago on Politics - politics news,... 0
#83132 - I agree. Individuals should of course be respected and not be …  [+] (2 new replies) 20 hours ago on Politics - politics news,... 0
#83136 - cabbagemayhem (17 hours ago) [-]
No.

"Should feelings be prioritized above efficiency, order and structure in society?"
Yes, happiness is the only purpose for society. Order and structure are only a means to that end.

"Very few people are complete individuals"
Huh? Everyone is a complete individual, with feelings, and should be respected, no matter who thinks they can't be trusted to take care of themselves.

"Individuals should of course be respected and not be treated as but a member of a group."
They should be treated as individuals, not as members of a group. Members of a group are expendable. Individuals are not.

"One needs to get the proper balance between group recognition and individual recognition in order to maximize satisfaction"
Not by force from government.

Society exists because people, instead of living in the woods, like to get with other people and build society by their own choice. Everything we have, and everything we do, is because people chose it by their own nature and free will. No one had to force us. Looking at society as some system that needs to be optimized by forcing people where you want them is the root of the evil.

What we're really talking about is government, not society. People form groups naturally and voluntarily everyday, and function with unbeatable efficiency. Government isn't needed for that. When government makes a move, it's naturally forceful behind the the barrel of a gun (and tazers). When government moves its big hand, it always accidentally crushes something.

Governments' purpose is only to ensure the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness to those who created it. The necessary functions of government for an optimal society are few, not many. Our forefathers knew that. They made it hard to pass laws on purpose!
User avatar #83163 - drastronomy (7 hours ago) [-]
If happiness is the primary goal, could not utopia be just people lying around taking drugs?

They are induviduals, but they tend to follow the pack-instinct regardless. People follow their leaders, if they are incapable of creating their own opinion

We agree on the next point, dont see the problem.

We are discussing society, in which the primary forces are culture and government - one is easier to change than the other.

You claim that a system that "forces" people is inherently evil. Are all laws evil, then? Is anarchy the only true good?

Sure, it is meant to be difficult to pass law to avoid stupid decisions. However, if that law maximizes efficiency, order and structure (even at the cost of some peoples liberty) is that law not good, as the order created eventually restores the opposition's happiness?
People form groups, like you say. The members of this group follow their leader. Are the members then not part of a group, more than they are individuals, if they primarily follow the group and not themselves?
#83130 - Should feelings be prioritized above efficiency, order and str…  [+] (4 new replies) 20 hours ago on Politics - politics news,... 0
User avatar #83131 - pebar (20 hours ago) [-]
efficiency tends to be severely compromised when you don't respect individuals
User avatar #83132 - drastronomy (20 hours ago) [-]
I agree. Individuals should of course be respected and not be treated as but a member of a group. However, is it not easier to generalize some groups of people instead of studying every single person?

One needs to get the proper balance between group recognition and individual recognition in order to maximize satisfaction
#83136 - cabbagemayhem (17 hours ago) [-]
No.

"Should feelings be prioritized above efficiency, order and structure in society?"
Yes, happiness is the only purpose for society. Order and structure are only a means to that end.

"Very few people are complete individuals"
Huh? Everyone is a complete individual, with feelings, and should be respected, no matter who thinks they can't be trusted to take care of themselves.

"Individuals should of course be respected and not be treated as but a member of a group."
They should be treated as individuals, not as members of a group. Members of a group are expendable. Individuals are not.

"One needs to get the proper balance between group recognition and individual recognition in order to maximize satisfaction"
Not by force from government.

Society exists because people, instead of living in the woods, like to get with other people and build society by their own choice. Everything we have, and everything we do, is because people chose it by their own nature and free will. No one had to force us. Looking at society as some system that needs to be optimized by forcing people where you want them is the root of the evil.

What we're really talking about is government, not society. People form groups naturally and voluntarily everyday, and function with unbeatable efficiency. Government isn't needed for that. When government makes a move, it's naturally forceful behind the the barrel of a gun (and tazers). When government moves its big hand, it always accidentally crushes something.

Governments' purpose is only to ensure the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness to those who created it. The necessary functions of government for an optimal society are few, not many. Our forefathers knew that. They made it hard to pass laws on purpose!
User avatar #83163 - drastronomy (7 hours ago) [-]
If happiness is the primary goal, could not utopia be just people lying around taking drugs?

They are induviduals, but they tend to follow the pack-instinct regardless. People follow their leaders, if they are incapable of creating their own opinion

We agree on the next point, dont see the problem.

We are discussing society, in which the primary forces are culture and government - one is easier to change than the other.

You claim that a system that "forces" people is inherently evil. Are all laws evil, then? Is anarchy the only true good?

Sure, it is meant to be difficult to pass law to avoid stupid decisions. However, if that law maximizes efficiency, order and structure (even at the cost of some peoples liberty) is that law not good, as the order created eventually restores the opposition's happiness?
People form groups, like you say. The members of this group follow their leader. Are the members then not part of a group, more than they are individuals, if they primarily follow the group and not themselves?
#28 - I just want to see people doing some good for once 20 hours ago on Orenburg Twerk Scandal +1
#181670 - 17 i try to keep my eyes open for even ugly creepy we…  [+] (1 new reply) 04/16/2015 on Advice - love advice,... 0
User avatar #181671 - dudeheit (04/16/2015) [-]
You don't have to. Just love yourself.Try to do sports, learn an instrument and act more confident even if you aren't.
This sounds really silly and 0815 talk but don't make yourself smaller as you really are bro!
#147 - If you like ****** pvp sure the funnest **… 04/16/2015 on Afro Born +2
#181501 - I have not talked to him. That would hurt him just as much, i …  [+] (3 new replies) 04/15/2015 on Advice - love advice,... 0
User avatar #181669 - dudeheit (04/16/2015) [-]
Because you chose friendship over love, thats why i asked if your friend knows about this. It's a pretty honorable decision you've made.
How old are you if I may ask? You said that most of the girls your age are stupid/sluts and that you lost the only girl you might catch. If you are young it always seems like this, but it definetly isn't like this. Start to notice the people around you more. I had several situations in the past where I noticed obvious hints way too late . Be open to new things in your live and don't assume something without knowing for certain. Don't focus on that one girl you couldn't get, don't put her on a podium. She is just a person like everyone else with fears, dreams and hopes. I don't wanna say that she wasn't special, just that she is a person like everyone else.
#181670 - drastronomy (04/16/2015) [-]
17

i try to keep my eyes open for even ugly creepy weird ass shits, but even i have to set limits somewhere
User avatar #181671 - dudeheit (04/16/2015) [-]
You don't have to. Just love yourself.Try to do sports, learn an instrument and act more confident even if you aren't.
This sounds really silly and 0815 talk but don't make yourself smaller as you really are bro!
#181476 - Roughly a year ago, my friend liked this girl...she started to…  [+] (11 new replies) 04/15/2015 on Advice - love advice,... 0
#181500 - dudeheit (04/15/2015) [-]
Have you ever talked to your friend about this? I have to say that this was a tough decision. Either one would have been correct more or less but choosing your friends site is definetly more acknowledgeable. You have my respect.
As far for the girl, do you think about her as in meaning you still have feelings for her or just "what if ..." ?
For the first case you have to diminish the contact to her a lot, maybe completely and for the second case "what if ...". Well, I think about things like that too, but too much thinking will make it worse and you won't focus on the present. There will be other grills which will fit better for you, even if you don't believe it now.
Keep flying!
#181501 - drastronomy (04/15/2015) [-]
I have not talked to him. That would hurt him just as much, i think. He says: "i know she liked me back then, but i was too beta to do anything about it". I had screenshots, now deleted due to shitty phone, that said otherwise, how i was the first guy she ever truly loved, etc.

I do not talk to her anymore, i doubt she wants me to considering i more or less broke her heart. It is more of a "what if" thing, but i still feel like i am interested. I think it is more that no other girl has seemed to be interested in me. Ever. I feel that, considering most girls my age are rather stupid and/or sluts due to alchohol, i have lost potentially the only fish i could ever catch... What makes me think so is that she was the only girl i have met who was just as strange as i was...

i do not usually think about her too much, but sometimes she emerges in my mind when i am already feeling shitty.

And yes, it is a difficult situation... no matter what i did i would end up hurting someone, and the option i chose involved 2 people...me and her. Yet, i feel like my choice was the morally correct option, and i cannot quite explain why...
User avatar #181669 - dudeheit (04/16/2015) [-]
Because you chose friendship over love, thats why i asked if your friend knows about this. It's a pretty honorable decision you've made.
How old are you if I may ask? You said that most of the girls your age are stupid/sluts and that you lost the only girl you might catch. If you are young it always seems like this, but it definetly isn't like this. Start to notice the people around you more. I had several situations in the past where I noticed obvious hints way too late . Be open to new things in your live and don't assume something without knowing for certain. Don't focus on that one girl you couldn't get, don't put her on a podium. She is just a person like everyone else with fears, dreams and hopes. I don't wanna say that she wasn't special, just that she is a person like everyone else.
#181670 - drastronomy (04/16/2015) [-]
17

i try to keep my eyes open for even ugly creepy weird ass shits, but even i have to set limits somewhere
User avatar #181671 - dudeheit (04/16/2015) [-]
You don't have to. Just love yourself.Try to do sports, learn an instrument and act more confident even if you aren't.
This sounds really silly and 0815 talk but don't make yourself smaller as you really are bro!
#181491 - dehumanizer (04/15/2015) [-]
>ever having a girl intrested in you

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User avatar #181487 - titsmccracken (04/15/2015) [-]
Don't fret. You're still pretty young so the odds of having another girl interested in you someday are very high. Heck, its highly likely you will meet many women in the future that like you.
User avatar #181481 - sugoi (04/15/2015) [-]
Ask dehumanizer for advice.
#181492 - dehumanizer (04/15/2015) [-]
fuking no, that guys a fucking chad
#117728 - and it was canceled as well hehehehe 04/14/2015 on Social Board 0
#117727 - I just tipped the police off to a party that was to have 1500 …  [+] (2 new replies) 04/14/2015 on Social Board 0
User avatar #117729 - youngneil (04/14/2015) [-]
Good job, mate. Keep on saving young lives.
User avatar #117728 - drastronomy (04/14/2015) [-]
and it was canceled as well

hehehehe

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#52 - chronicliar (03/20/2015) [-]
your request sir.
#53 to #52 - drastronomy ONLINE (03/20/2015) [-]
i wanted cats with it you ******* dolt
#54 to #53 - chronicliar (03/20/2015) [-]
Im very sorry for the inconvenience here's your cat, PLUS an ant for your trouble.
User avatar #55 to #54 - drastronomy ONLINE (03/20/2015) [-]
Cant you do anything right? i wanted a nazi cat. See the image

(Yes i am playing the soccer mum)
User avatar #51 - drastronomy ONLINE (03/16/2015) [-]
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User avatar #46 - astraea (02/15/2015) [-]
Hørte du var fra tønsberg din ******** faggot heng deg selv lmao
User avatar #47 to #46 - drastronomy ONLINE (02/15/2015) [-]
Vel, da hører du feil

nøtterøy din gjøkepenis lolololo
User avatar #48 to #47 - astraea (02/15/2015) [-]
omg sorry ass mente det ikke da ((
sorry i was misinformed lxm
User avatar #49 to #48 - drastronomy ONLINE (02/15/2015) [-]
det som skjer når du ypper med Fittehertugen Fregg
User avatar #50 to #49 - astraea (02/16/2015) [-]
niga
#38 - gangbangtime ONLINE (02/04/2015) [-]
Fag
#39 to #38 - drastronomy ONLINE (02/05/2015) [-]
why must you hurt me in this way?
#40 to #39 - gangbangtime ONLINE (02/05/2015) [-]
cuz u r fag
see #38 for proof
User avatar #41 to #40 - drastronomy ONLINE (02/05/2015) [-]
why me
#42 to #41 - gangbangtime ONLINE (02/05/2015) [-]
Cause you deleted a comment that was getting downvoted u faget
Cause you deleted a comment that was getting downvoted u faget
User avatar #43 to #42 - drastronomy ONLINE (02/05/2015) [-]
The only comment i have deleted last couple of days was when i majorly ****** up my grammar while not paying attention
#44 to #43 - gangbangtime ONLINE (02/05/2015) [-]
After it got thumbed down, still counts.
User avatar #45 to #44 - drastronomy ONLINE (02/06/2015) [-]
okay
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