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#152 - it's more like a 1000 people came to the police to claim they …  [+] (1 new reply) 06/21/2014 on finni's profile 0
User avatar #153 - finni (07/02/2014) [-]
Well the arguments I presented does make it very unique.
The point of my analogy is that even if there have been countless of religions claiming their gods to be the true one and all of them wrong, does not mean that my god has to be the same. The evidence have ruled out all the other gods, but it does not mean that God has to be ruled out. It's all about the evidence.

I presented to you the fine-tuning argument, kalam cosmological argument, ontological argument, argument from contingency. All of these arguments points to a Creator of the universe.
#150 - yeah but I don't like talking about it... but if you insis…  [+] (3 new replies) 06/20/2014 on finni's profile 0
User avatar #151 - finni (06/20/2014) [-]
"just look at the evidence. countless religions, all claiming to have the right god/gods/deities, all obviously impacted by the culture the believers lived in, and if survived long enough change and accommodate to the changing culture. all based on their own stories that "prove" they are right, no matter how improbable those stories are to ever have happened. "

If there is a murder and the police is to investigate this murder they identify a gun was used. Let's say they bring 100 suspects and none of them matches the fingerprint on the gun. Then let's say they take a thousand suspects and none of them matches the fingerprint. Then they finally find this one guy who matches the fingerprint and then they have good reason to conclude that person was the murderer.

Similarly, it does not matter how many religions that claim to have the truth, what matters is what matches up to the evidence. All you have said is that there is a long diversity of suspects, but that doesn't make it logical to conclude "Well since there are SOOO many people the police suspect, then none of them did it" You still got to show that they are wrong somehow.

"on the other hand, the scientific inquiry of the world has led to so many things, so much knowledge gained, and not a single hint pointing at a creator. "

On the contrary, science does point to the hint of a creator. The mere fact that the universe had a beginning hints to a cause, since something that begins to exist cannot come out of nothing.

Look at the Kalam Cosmological Argument: www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CulBuMCLg0

Teleological argument: www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Yt7hvgFuNg

The Ontological reason for believing in God: www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQPRqHZRP68

But also very deep thought, why does the Universe exist at all? Argument from contingency goes like this: www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2ULF5WixMM

Once you have gotten to the conclusion that God exists the only question left is, which God? well it's only one monotheistic god from these arguments. The question then becomes, has this god, or creator if you don't like the name god, revealed himself in any of the world religions? I'd argue that he has, in Jesus Christ, proving that the God of Israel, Jakob, Isak and Abraham is the true and only God and that he approved of Jesus of Nazereth's teachings.

Events that are agreed by most NT historians concerning Jesus:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=WC9R_7qRUno
User avatar #152 - dmagen (06/21/2014) [-]
it's more like a 1000 people came to the police to claim they murdered a man nobody has ever seen or heard of, with no compliant ever heard of a "missing man".

it does matter because a religious point of view is not a unique one, it has nothing special that makes it worth a decent consideration.
going with that example, after the police starts to see that 10, 12, and then 20 people "evidence" is completely made up, they decide that continuing investigating that case is a waste of man power.

on the contrary, until a century ago we thought physics is deterministic in nature and now every aspect of it has turned around to suggest an inherently unpredictable universe on the miniature scale.
(just on a note, you should read that article it really blows your mind nautil.us/issue/9/time/in-search-of-times-origin )

I can not say for certain that anything that exists must have a cause, because even time itself may not be a fundamental part of the universe, but let's assume it does hold true.
there are two options either that beginning itself, as ungraspable as it was, was a "natural" process, or that an imaginably sophisticated being spontaneously came to being, himself without a beginning, only to create an unlimited universe so that he could choose a tiny speck of dust out and from that a tiny group from one species to worship him because apparently he's got confidence issues and needs to be remembered how awesome he is.

why does the universe exist? we don't know... but that doesn't mean you can fill that gap with any argument you like and call it true.
User avatar #153 - finni (07/02/2014) [-]
Well the arguments I presented does make it very unique.
The point of my analogy is that even if there have been countless of religions claiming their gods to be the true one and all of them wrong, does not mean that my god has to be the same. The evidence have ruled out all the other gods, but it does not mean that God has to be ruled out. It's all about the evidence.

I presented to you the fine-tuning argument, kalam cosmological argument, ontological argument, argument from contingency. All of these arguments points to a Creator of the universe.
#148 - finni I don't want to argue with you about religion. all t…  [+] (5 new replies) 06/20/2014 on finni's profile 0
User avatar #149 - finni (06/20/2014) [-]
We can still discuss these things without them being emotional or heat-tempered.

When you exist with a comment saying that everything I just said is completely wrong I feel the need to respond because I am very certain I am not completely wrong in everything I just said.

We don't need it to be emotional, but we should still be perfectly able to discuss these issues like civil people without name calling or anything like that. If you are afraid of offending me than don't worry, I've gone all my life with hearing basically insults at my faith.
User avatar #150 - dmagen (06/20/2014) [-]
yeah but I don't like talking about it...
but if you insist,
so first of all the only parts that old testament got right was stuff about historic events that happened to the old Jewish kingdom, and even then it's filled with a lot of a lot of divine interpretation that was made up afterward to justify exactly what went wrong.

secondly, I believe that there are no good reason believing in a god.
just look at the evidence. countless religions, all claiming to have the right god/gods/deities, all obviously impacted by the culture the believers lived in, and if survived long enough change and accommodate to the changing culture. all based on their own stories that "prove" they are right, no matter how improbable those stories are to ever have happened.

on the other hand, the scientific inquiry of the world has led to so many things, so much knowledge gained, and not a single hint pointing at a creator.

science seeks evidence and later build itself upon those to be as close to the truth as possible. not so is religion which depicts the truth and then seeks evidence to verify it later, ignoring any counter evidence as bogus or interpreting it in a highly illogical manner to fit the "truth".

because of that, religion can only ever exist behind the gaps of knowledge science has.
first god was in the sky, then he was in space, and now he's god knows where (pun intended).
first god created the earth, then god created the entire solar system, and now god created the big bang or something (I have no idea what stories people tell themselves).

don't say "you don't know why A is, so it's possible that it's because of B and you can't prove otherwise"
say "you and I don't know what A is, but Iv'e got a proposition B to explain it, what do you think about it? can we verify it? if not do you perhaps have better ideas?"

also I agree that the existence of a god is not illogical in and of itself, but the religious depiction of him is ludicrous.
User avatar #151 - finni (06/20/2014) [-]
"just look at the evidence. countless religions, all claiming to have the right god/gods/deities, all obviously impacted by the culture the believers lived in, and if survived long enough change and accommodate to the changing culture. all based on their own stories that "prove" they are right, no matter how improbable those stories are to ever have happened. "

If there is a murder and the police is to investigate this murder they identify a gun was used. Let's say they bring 100 suspects and none of them matches the fingerprint on the gun. Then let's say they take a thousand suspects and none of them matches the fingerprint. Then they finally find this one guy who matches the fingerprint and then they have good reason to conclude that person was the murderer.

Similarly, it does not matter how many religions that claim to have the truth, what matters is what matches up to the evidence. All you have said is that there is a long diversity of suspects, but that doesn't make it logical to conclude "Well since there are SOOO many people the police suspect, then none of them did it" You still got to show that they are wrong somehow.

"on the other hand, the scientific inquiry of the world has led to so many things, so much knowledge gained, and not a single hint pointing at a creator. "

On the contrary, science does point to the hint of a creator. The mere fact that the universe had a beginning hints to a cause, since something that begins to exist cannot come out of nothing.

Look at the Kalam Cosmological Argument: www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CulBuMCLg0

Teleological argument: www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Yt7hvgFuNg

The Ontological reason for believing in God: www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQPRqHZRP68

But also very deep thought, why does the Universe exist at all? Argument from contingency goes like this: www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2ULF5WixMM

Once you have gotten to the conclusion that God exists the only question left is, which God? well it's only one monotheistic god from these arguments. The question then becomes, has this god, or creator if you don't like the name god, revealed himself in any of the world religions? I'd argue that he has, in Jesus Christ, proving that the God of Israel, Jakob, Isak and Abraham is the true and only God and that he approved of Jesus of Nazereth's teachings.

Events that are agreed by most NT historians concerning Jesus:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=WC9R_7qRUno
User avatar #152 - dmagen (06/21/2014) [-]
it's more like a 1000 people came to the police to claim they murdered a man nobody has ever seen or heard of, with no compliant ever heard of a "missing man".

it does matter because a religious point of view is not a unique one, it has nothing special that makes it worth a decent consideration.
going with that example, after the police starts to see that 10, 12, and then 20 people "evidence" is completely made up, they decide that continuing investigating that case is a waste of man power.

on the contrary, until a century ago we thought physics is deterministic in nature and now every aspect of it has turned around to suggest an inherently unpredictable universe on the miniature scale.
(just on a note, you should read that article it really blows your mind nautil.us/issue/9/time/in-search-of-times-origin )

I can not say for certain that anything that exists must have a cause, because even time itself may not be a fundamental part of the universe, but let's assume it does hold true.
there are two options either that beginning itself, as ungraspable as it was, was a "natural" process, or that an imaginably sophisticated being spontaneously came to being, himself without a beginning, only to create an unlimited universe so that he could choose a tiny speck of dust out and from that a tiny group from one species to worship him because apparently he's got confidence issues and needs to be remembered how awesome he is.

why does the universe exist? we don't know... but that doesn't mean you can fill that gap with any argument you like and call it true.
User avatar #153 - finni (07/02/2014) [-]
Well the arguments I presented does make it very unique.
The point of my analogy is that even if there have been countless of religions claiming their gods to be the true one and all of them wrong, does not mean that my god has to be the same. The evidence have ruled out all the other gods, but it does not mean that God has to be ruled out. It's all about the evidence.

I presented to you the fine-tuning argument, kalam cosmological argument, ontological argument, argument from contingency. All of these arguments points to a Creator of the universe.
#146 - as saying that believing in a certain book or not proves any r…  [+] (7 new replies) 06/20/2014 on finni's profile 0
User avatar #147 - finni (06/20/2014) [-]
Maybe some of the Old Testaments are not literally true, but at least one event is. The fact that the universe had a beginning.

There are many good reasons to believe in God, based on arguments and evidence, but there are very few reasons to deny the existence of God. Most reasons I find are often emotional reasons and the problem of evil, but not really that the fact that God exists is anyway illogical.
User avatar #148 - dmagen (06/20/2014) [-]
finni I don't want to argue with you about religion.
all the stuff you said in your comment are completely wrong, but I don't want to argue with people about faith.
User avatar #149 - finni (06/20/2014) [-]
We can still discuss these things without them being emotional or heat-tempered.

When you exist with a comment saying that everything I just said is completely wrong I feel the need to respond because I am very certain I am not completely wrong in everything I just said.

We don't need it to be emotional, but we should still be perfectly able to discuss these issues like civil people without name calling or anything like that. If you are afraid of offending me than don't worry, I've gone all my life with hearing basically insults at my faith.
User avatar #150 - dmagen (06/20/2014) [-]
yeah but I don't like talking about it...
but if you insist,
so first of all the only parts that old testament got right was stuff about historic events that happened to the old Jewish kingdom, and even then it's filled with a lot of a lot of divine interpretation that was made up afterward to justify exactly what went wrong.

secondly, I believe that there are no good reason believing in a god.
just look at the evidence. countless religions, all claiming to have the right god/gods/deities, all obviously impacted by the culture the believers lived in, and if survived long enough change and accommodate to the changing culture. all based on their own stories that "prove" they are right, no matter how improbable those stories are to ever have happened.

on the other hand, the scientific inquiry of the world has led to so many things, so much knowledge gained, and not a single hint pointing at a creator.

science seeks evidence and later build itself upon those to be as close to the truth as possible. not so is religion which depicts the truth and then seeks evidence to verify it later, ignoring any counter evidence as bogus or interpreting it in a highly illogical manner to fit the "truth".

because of that, religion can only ever exist behind the gaps of knowledge science has.
first god was in the sky, then he was in space, and now he's god knows where (pun intended).
first god created the earth, then god created the entire solar system, and now god created the big bang or something (I have no idea what stories people tell themselves).

don't say "you don't know why A is, so it's possible that it's because of B and you can't prove otherwise"
say "you and I don't know what A is, but Iv'e got a proposition B to explain it, what do you think about it? can we verify it? if not do you perhaps have better ideas?"

also I agree that the existence of a god is not illogical in and of itself, but the religious depiction of him is ludicrous.
User avatar #151 - finni (06/20/2014) [-]
"just look at the evidence. countless religions, all claiming to have the right god/gods/deities, all obviously impacted by the culture the believers lived in, and if survived long enough change and accommodate to the changing culture. all based on their own stories that "prove" they are right, no matter how improbable those stories are to ever have happened. "

If there is a murder and the police is to investigate this murder they identify a gun was used. Let's say they bring 100 suspects and none of them matches the fingerprint on the gun. Then let's say they take a thousand suspects and none of them matches the fingerprint. Then they finally find this one guy who matches the fingerprint and then they have good reason to conclude that person was the murderer.

Similarly, it does not matter how many religions that claim to have the truth, what matters is what matches up to the evidence. All you have said is that there is a long diversity of suspects, but that doesn't make it logical to conclude "Well since there are SOOO many people the police suspect, then none of them did it" You still got to show that they are wrong somehow.

"on the other hand, the scientific inquiry of the world has led to so many things, so much knowledge gained, and not a single hint pointing at a creator. "

On the contrary, science does point to the hint of a creator. The mere fact that the universe had a beginning hints to a cause, since something that begins to exist cannot come out of nothing.

Look at the Kalam Cosmological Argument: www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CulBuMCLg0

Teleological argument: www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Yt7hvgFuNg

The Ontological reason for believing in God: www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQPRqHZRP68

But also very deep thought, why does the Universe exist at all? Argument from contingency goes like this: www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2ULF5WixMM

Once you have gotten to the conclusion that God exists the only question left is, which God? well it's only one monotheistic god from these arguments. The question then becomes, has this god, or creator if you don't like the name god, revealed himself in any of the world religions? I'd argue that he has, in Jesus Christ, proving that the God of Israel, Jakob, Isak and Abraham is the true and only God and that he approved of Jesus of Nazereth's teachings.

Events that are agreed by most NT historians concerning Jesus:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=WC9R_7qRUno
User avatar #152 - dmagen (06/21/2014) [-]
it's more like a 1000 people came to the police to claim they murdered a man nobody has ever seen or heard of, with no compliant ever heard of a "missing man".

it does matter because a religious point of view is not a unique one, it has nothing special that makes it worth a decent consideration.
going with that example, after the police starts to see that 10, 12, and then 20 people "evidence" is completely made up, they decide that continuing investigating that case is a waste of man power.

on the contrary, until a century ago we thought physics is deterministic in nature and now every aspect of it has turned around to suggest an inherently unpredictable universe on the miniature scale.
(just on a note, you should read that article it really blows your mind nautil.us/issue/9/time/in-search-of-times-origin )

I can not say for certain that anything that exists must have a cause, because even time itself may not be a fundamental part of the universe, but let's assume it does hold true.
there are two options either that beginning itself, as ungraspable as it was, was a "natural" process, or that an imaginably sophisticated being spontaneously came to being, himself without a beginning, only to create an unlimited universe so that he could choose a tiny speck of dust out and from that a tiny group from one species to worship him because apparently he's got confidence issues and needs to be remembered how awesome he is.

why does the universe exist? we don't know... but that doesn't mean you can fill that gap with any argument you like and call it true.
User avatar #153 - finni (07/02/2014) [-]
Well the arguments I presented does make it very unique.
The point of my analogy is that even if there have been countless of religions claiming their gods to be the true one and all of them wrong, does not mean that my god has to be the same. The evidence have ruled out all the other gods, but it does not mean that God has to be ruled out. It's all about the evidence.

I presented to you the fine-tuning argument, kalam cosmological argument, ontological argument, argument from contingency. All of these arguments points to a Creator of the universe.
#144 - well for the same reason I know Islam isn't true. I don't …  [+] (9 new replies) 06/19/2014 on finni's profile 0
#145 - finni (06/20/2014) [-]
I don't see any reason you have given me for believing Islam is true.
All I can grasp is that Islam is written in a Book, and you don't believe all books, well of course you don't, but you have to have reasons for not believing all books, and saying that you don't believe all books does nothing to disprove Islam's validity.

At best, it puts your understanding of truth at a very narrow road, but even if you believe it to be false does not mean it actually is false
User avatar #146 - dmagen (06/20/2014) [-]
as saying that believing in a certain book or not proves any religion validity.
basically I believe in provable concepts.

I believe that what I believe doesn't matter to reality as it only exist in between my ears and does not force reality to do it's bid.

that said, a lot of the old testament was already proved to be false, like the exodus for example.

I acknowledge that any religion can be true, but the chances for that in my opinion are close to zero.
User avatar #147 - finni (06/20/2014) [-]
Maybe some of the Old Testaments are not literally true, but at least one event is. The fact that the universe had a beginning.

There are many good reasons to believe in God, based on arguments and evidence, but there are very few reasons to deny the existence of God. Most reasons I find are often emotional reasons and the problem of evil, but not really that the fact that God exists is anyway illogical.
User avatar #148 - dmagen (06/20/2014) [-]
finni I don't want to argue with you about religion.
all the stuff you said in your comment are completely wrong, but I don't want to argue with people about faith.
User avatar #149 - finni (06/20/2014) [-]
We can still discuss these things without them being emotional or heat-tempered.

When you exist with a comment saying that everything I just said is completely wrong I feel the need to respond because I am very certain I am not completely wrong in everything I just said.

We don't need it to be emotional, but we should still be perfectly able to discuss these issues like civil people without name calling or anything like that. If you are afraid of offending me than don't worry, I've gone all my life with hearing basically insults at my faith.
User avatar #150 - dmagen (06/20/2014) [-]
yeah but I don't like talking about it...
but if you insist,
so first of all the only parts that old testament got right was stuff about historic events that happened to the old Jewish kingdom, and even then it's filled with a lot of a lot of divine interpretation that was made up afterward to justify exactly what went wrong.

secondly, I believe that there are no good reason believing in a god.
just look at the evidence. countless religions, all claiming to have the right god/gods/deities, all obviously impacted by the culture the believers lived in, and if survived long enough change and accommodate to the changing culture. all based on their own stories that "prove" they are right, no matter how improbable those stories are to ever have happened.

on the other hand, the scientific inquiry of the world has led to so many things, so much knowledge gained, and not a single hint pointing at a creator.

science seeks evidence and later build itself upon those to be as close to the truth as possible. not so is religion which depicts the truth and then seeks evidence to verify it later, ignoring any counter evidence as bogus or interpreting it in a highly illogical manner to fit the "truth".

because of that, religion can only ever exist behind the gaps of knowledge science has.
first god was in the sky, then he was in space, and now he's god knows where (pun intended).
first god created the earth, then god created the entire solar system, and now god created the big bang or something (I have no idea what stories people tell themselves).

don't say "you don't know why A is, so it's possible that it's because of B and you can't prove otherwise"
say "you and I don't know what A is, but Iv'e got a proposition B to explain it, what do you think about it? can we verify it? if not do you perhaps have better ideas?"

also I agree that the existence of a god is not illogical in and of itself, but the religious depiction of him is ludicrous.
User avatar #151 - finni (06/20/2014) [-]
"just look at the evidence. countless religions, all claiming to have the right god/gods/deities, all obviously impacted by the culture the believers lived in, and if survived long enough change and accommodate to the changing culture. all based on their own stories that "prove" they are right, no matter how improbable those stories are to ever have happened. "

If there is a murder and the police is to investigate this murder they identify a gun was used. Let's say they bring 100 suspects and none of them matches the fingerprint on the gun. Then let's say they take a thousand suspects and none of them matches the fingerprint. Then they finally find this one guy who matches the fingerprint and then they have good reason to conclude that person was the murderer.

Similarly, it does not matter how many religions that claim to have the truth, what matters is what matches up to the evidence. All you have said is that there is a long diversity of suspects, but that doesn't make it logical to conclude "Well since there are SOOO many people the police suspect, then none of them did it" You still got to show that they are wrong somehow.

"on the other hand, the scientific inquiry of the world has led to so many things, so much knowledge gained, and not a single hint pointing at a creator. "

On the contrary, science does point to the hint of a creator. The mere fact that the universe had a beginning hints to a cause, since something that begins to exist cannot come out of nothing.

Look at the Kalam Cosmological Argument: www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CulBuMCLg0

Teleological argument: www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Yt7hvgFuNg

The Ontological reason for believing in God: www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQPRqHZRP68

But also very deep thought, why does the Universe exist at all? Argument from contingency goes like this: www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2ULF5WixMM

Once you have gotten to the conclusion that God exists the only question left is, which God? well it's only one monotheistic god from these arguments. The question then becomes, has this god, or creator if you don't like the name god, revealed himself in any of the world religions? I'd argue that he has, in Jesus Christ, proving that the God of Israel, Jakob, Isak and Abraham is the true and only God and that he approved of Jesus of Nazereth's teachings.

Events that are agreed by most NT historians concerning Jesus:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=WC9R_7qRUno
User avatar #152 - dmagen (06/21/2014) [-]
it's more like a 1000 people came to the police to claim they murdered a man nobody has ever seen or heard of, with no compliant ever heard of a "missing man".

it does matter because a religious point of view is not a unique one, it has nothing special that makes it worth a decent consideration.
going with that example, after the police starts to see that 10, 12, and then 20 people "evidence" is completely made up, they decide that continuing investigating that case is a waste of man power.

on the contrary, until a century ago we thought physics is deterministic in nature and now every aspect of it has turned around to suggest an inherently unpredictable universe on the miniature scale.
(just on a note, you should read that article it really blows your mind nautil.us/issue/9/time/in-search-of-times-origin )

I can not say for certain that anything that exists must have a cause, because even time itself may not be a fundamental part of the universe, but let's assume it does hold true.
there are two options either that beginning itself, as ungraspable as it was, was a "natural" process, or that an imaginably sophisticated being spontaneously came to being, himself without a beginning, only to create an unlimited universe so that he could choose a tiny speck of dust out and from that a tiny group from one species to worship him because apparently he's got confidence issues and needs to be remembered how awesome he is.

why does the universe exist? we don't know... but that doesn't mean you can fill that gap with any argument you like and call it true.
User avatar #153 - finni (07/02/2014) [-]
Well the arguments I presented does make it very unique.
The point of my analogy is that even if there have been countless of religions claiming their gods to be the true one and all of them wrong, does not mean that my god has to be the same. The evidence have ruled out all the other gods, but it does not mean that God has to be ruled out. It's all about the evidence.

I presented to you the fine-tuning argument, kalam cosmological argument, ontological argument, argument from contingency. All of these arguments points to a Creator of the universe.

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User avatar #99 - finni (07/02/2014) [-]
I'm sorry to hear that about the teenagers
User avatar #100 to #99 - dmagen (07/02/2014) [-]
thanks
really a stupid loss of life
#76 - finni (06/06/2014) [-]
Also, can I make a request?   
   
Since we are good friends, when you Jews take over the world, can I get to be appointed to be general of Scandinavia or something like that? :3   
   
 this is a joke. i'm mocking the people on this site that claim you jews will take over the world someday... but if it's true, can I get my position :3
Also, can I make a request?

Since we are good friends, when you Jews take over the world, can I get to be appointed to be general of Scandinavia or something like that? :3

this is a joke. i'm mocking the people on this site that claim you jews will take over the world someday... but if it's true, can I get my position :3
#78 to #76 - dmagen (06/06/2014) [-]
people are crazy haha    
   
 						****					 they found out
people are crazy haha

**** they found out
User avatar #80 to #78 - finni (06/07/2014) [-]
Soooooo? Is that a yes? :3
#82 to #80 - dmagen (06/07/2014) [-]
maybeee
maybeee
#86 to #84 - dmagen (06/07/2014) [-]
everything for you Sir Finni   
(btw watch Log Horizon I highly recommend it   
the second season is airing this October)
everything for you Sir Finni
(btw watch Log Horizon I highly recommend it
the second season is airing this October)
#88 to #86 - finni (06/08/2014) [-]
AWESOME!!!
User avatar #90 to #88 - dmagen (06/08/2014) [-]
seriously watch this anime, its's awesome
User avatar #92 to #90 - finni (06/08/2014) [-]
What's the story?
#93 to #92 - dmagen (06/11/2014) [-]
it's like SAO without the epic fights but with a lot more developed world, story, and character depth.
User avatar #73 - finni (06/05/2014) [-]
Do you believe in moral relativism?
User avatar #74 to #73 - dmagen (06/05/2014) [-]
I may have heard about this term before, probably have, but I forgot what it meant =P
so after reading about it on Wikipedia for a few minutes, I think I have a decent idea about how to start phrasing my response.

the basic idea behind it is true, that is different cultures may have different opinions and values about what is right or wrong, and that is okay.
also, in some cases I would be reluctant to judge a culture about it's underlying principles simply because I can't do so without claiming that I'm somehow morally supirior, which is sort of true (but is also sort of wrong as I would explain in a minute).

however, from what I can deduce from how Wikipedia summed it up, moral relativism is based on the premise that different cultures and ideas do not necessarily have the same "base" and therefore are alien to one another, which makes them incomparable and therefore makes the very notion of comparing between them as irrational as comparing a fish to an orange for their ability so sing.

which applies to animals as I do not feel sorry for the poor little ants that have to work for their queen each day, nor do I have any sort of enmity to their queen for holding such an iniquitous position, but fails when it comes to humans.

Because although we are all vastly different, we still all have the same basic emotion that guides us, which can be either positive or negative, and as such can serve as the "base" for all cultures.
I believe, until proven otherwise, that the natural state of man is simply not wanting to receive any harm, a simple outcome of evolution.
being the complex beings we are, we came to view harm as more than a physical thing, and more and more as both physical and mental, widening the term as we progressed from primitive apes to cultured man.

and so, every kind of culture that calls itself human, must obey those basic rules, or else be considered inhuman and stand up for scrutiny.

basically, any culture, or any aspect of a culture that causes harm in some shape or form, be it mental or physical, to other humans, can be judged.

so, as a continuation to my previous claim that I may be reluctant to judge a culture based on their underling principle, 2 cultures can have different answers to the simple Trolley problem for example, for vastly different reason, and that I can never judge either as a obsolete moral being simply because I can never be one, as moral relativism is so kind to explain.
what I can judge though is a culture or a moral system that says " why not just blow all of them up?!".
User avatar #75 to #74 - finni (06/05/2014) [-]
Yeah, I wasn't really concerned about the process of how we come to know our morals, rather I asked if you believe all morals are relative to one another, which means equal.
x is just as moral or immoral as y.

Do you hold onto that belief?
User avatar #77 to #75 - dmagen (06/06/2014) [-]
it's a though question, but I think that yes and no.
I mean personally I believe that my morals are right and other's are wrong, simply for the fact that they're my beliefs haha
but at the same time, people can follow the same moral principles and end up with vastly different ideas about how morality should look like, and I acknowledge that.

moral is not based on an undeniable reality, it's based on subjective opinions and experience which are so complex I don't know how to begin describe them .
I mean you start with the most sophisticated machine ever built which is known to man - the human brain, then add a whole unique life experience to it, and the number of possible outcomes are so vast that they might as well be infinite.

in something as complex as that, no one can claim absolute superiority over the other and prove it without doubt.
User avatar #79 to #77 - finni (06/07/2014) [-]
Okay, but then you're saying that belief are not really different, just that you hold you beliefs higher than other people's belief.

So somebody who decides to continue slavery, oppression of minorities, pedophilia have just the same moral value as countries with equallity, liberty, and who looks to the well being of children. Are you really ready to go that way? If so, how can you then condemn other Muslim countries and Islam for being immoral?
User avatar #81 to #79 - dmagen (06/07/2014) [-]
yeah, and that's where I say that moral relativism fails, because even though it's so complex, human morals still uses human as the basis, and there is a common factor to all humans which can serve as a basis to compare morals with - the will to avoid harm of any kind.

it's kind of like how all the subcategories in math are based on the same principles of 1+1=2 but can be as different as Algebraic topology and Combinatorics.
User avatar #83 to #81 - finni (06/07/2014) [-]
Yeah, I agree on that. The person that says it's morally okay or neutral to rape and torture a child is just as wrong as the person who says 2 + 2 = 5

One of the biggest reasons why I am against Islam is because of the immoral teachings of what Islam is saying. It is also the same reason why I am against cultural relativism, because if cultures are all relative, that means that the values and norms of one culture is just as equally good or bad as your culture. I think that is pure ******** , and I will go as far as saying that it IS pure ******** !
User avatar #85 to #83 - dmagen (06/07/2014) [-]
I think culture relativism is true and makes a lot of sense, but again as long as it has a solid ground to support it.
2 cultures that disgrace any kind of harm to humans, but have vastly different traditions and ideas about how the world should look like, can not claim to be more right than the other.

using it to somehow accepting a barbaric tradition of any kind of culture is wrong.

anyway, even if it didn't made any sense to criticize other cultures, it doesn't stop me to say " **** off" to other cultures. they can do it too, but if it's in my country than I have the higher " **** off" ground hahaha
User avatar #87 to #85 - finni (06/08/2014) [-]
If you believe in cultural relatvism then you cannot condemn other cultures for being women discrimminative, for having bad views on Jews, for killing homosexuals and since you believe every culture is equall, you cannot say that when they are doing something against your cultural values, like pedohillia, hate speech, racism etc. that they are doing something wrong. If you appeal to laws, then they can just change those laws and those laws will be of no moral value.

Saudia-Arabia does nothing wrong at all when they have an aparthide regime, Muslims who call for the extermination of the Jews, are only acting unfashionably, American racism that existed before in the 80s was morally indifferent and worst of all, mutliculturalism, the most contradicting ideology and dangerous ideology is true.

Do you in all seriously believe that? If so, then I have no reason to actually support Israel for being a more moral country than Saudi-Arabia, North-Korea, Pakistan, Iraq, Egypt etc.
User avatar #89 to #87 - dmagen (06/08/2014) [-]
culture is not the momentary opinions of the masses, but the overall way a society views itself and the individual.
all the examples you gave are views that fail my basic "does it harm people" test.
once a society bases it self on solid values, how it develops might be unique, unpredictable and even strange, but it does not necessarily mean that it has less value than other cultures.

for example some culture might view the self sacrificing himself for the many as a good deed, while other cultures might view it as blasphemy, neither is absolutely and undoubtedly better than the other
User avatar #91 to #89 - finni (06/08/2014) [-]
Okay, I might start seeing what you're saying. You're saying that for example Norway's culture of for example making children the focus of the national day is morally equal to other countries with military parades, right?

Is that a good analogy or?
User avatar #94 to #91 - dmagen (06/11/2014) [-]
the focus in my opinion is causing no harm. the way you get there is less important.
User avatar #95 to #94 - finni (06/11/2014) [-]
I don't see what that has to do with my analogy.

I see what you are saying for the most part and I agree with that, but do you seriously mean that as long as they cause no harm, a culture can be just as okay as any other culture?

A culture that treats women like equalls vs a culture that treats women unequally, are they morally indifferent? One of the things I support Israel on is that they are more feministic than their Muslim neighbours and that is a good thing, but if cultures are just morally relative, are you saying that my reason for supporting Israel in saying th are better on the femenistic part is not a good reason and I could argue that the way the Muslim countries treat their women is the good way?
User avatar #96 to #95 - dmagen (06/16/2014) [-]
treating woman unequally harms them, and that is why this is wrong.
I keep repeating myself haha

you gave a nice analogy but I just have one rule, you can apply this rule to any situation you can come up with, including military parades.

thank you for all your support toward Israel btw
User avatar #97 to #96 - finni (06/16/2014) [-]
Oh yeah, no problem.

Okay, then I think we're on the same page. You think that if differences between two cultures are just customs and traditions, that in no way harm anyone, they are equal, right?
User avatar #98 to #97 - dmagen (06/16/2014) [-]
exactly
User avatar #71 - bluzzerstream (04/18/2014) [-]
"Tragedy is when I cut my finger. Comedy is when you fall into an open sewer and die." - Mel Brooks

Loved this part
User avatar #72 to #71 - dmagen (04/18/2014) [-]
yeah me too haha
User avatar #68 - finni (07/21/2013) [-]
I don't know if you know this, but is it possible to track down every single account you have signed up on by using your email address?
User avatar #69 to #68 - dmagen (07/21/2013) [-]
hmm I don't think so but I can make an educated guess.
technically it's possible but I think that most sites save some of your information ,like your email, to themselves. so in order for you to make such a search it will require a software that can hack automatically to the registry of each and every site on the internet and search your email their. I think such a program will not be available to the likes of us XD and that's without including the computing power necessary.
I mean Google needs a ton of computing power to make their searches, and they are done using information which is available to everyone.
so my guess is not, but I don't understand much so maybe there is a way and I just can't see it.
User avatar #70 to #69 - finni (07/21/2013) [-]
The Government might have something like it, but who knows. I just wondered since I would be in deep trouble if anyone actually found out all the things I've registered on XD
#52 - finni (07/15/2013) [-]
Why do people hate your kind so much
User avatar #53 to #52 - dmagen (07/16/2013) [-]
my kind?
anime lovers?
bronies?
KS lovers?
jews?
I'm a lot of thing that people might hate
User avatar #54 to #53 - finni (07/16/2013) [-]
Jews.
User avatar #55 to #54 - dmagen (07/16/2013) [-]
well you probably won't like the answer, but it's because the church opinion on jews wasn't that great, because of all the "jews killed jesus" thing. so even now that the church changed it's mind, you can't simply erase centuries of teachings of antisemitisem.
that's only in europe though, muslims see jews as less than them too, so antisemitisem was pretty common there too. but unlike the church, those sand heads didn't change their opinion yet. what really didn't help is the formation of Israel, which only gave the arab muslims a reason to only increase their hatred toward jews.
I think that I told you that before sometime in the past, I don't blame religion, I believe that religion can be used for good and for bad. in the past christian world it was (amongst countless other things that are good) to spread antisemitisem. simply put, christianity was used by narrow minded people which in today's standards would be only second to extreme muslims. the difference is that today Islam is still keen on being used for the sake of it's leaders stupid ideologies, while christianity has moved eons beyond.
User avatar #56 to #55 - finni (07/16/2013) [-]
Well, I don't know if you can blame the Catholic Church as hole, since it's mostly priests who have been anti semitic, but the popes of Europe have often tried to cease the anti-semitism actually. Some protestant churches has been quite anti-semitic though, Martin Luther himself really hated Jews for refusing to convert to Christianity. Sure, there are some Christians today who hates Jews because of Jesus, but it's mostly neo-Nazis, Musims or far-leftist.

The thing I just don't understand is why you are STILL hated. I mean, why do people still come with conspiracy theories that the holocaust never happened, that Jews control the world, that everything is Israel's fault... It's the right-wing hatred that I don't understand...
User avatar #57 to #56 - dmagen (07/16/2013) [-]
hmm because if you ask you parents about jews when you are little and they tell you they hate them, you will probably side with your parents and not with common reason that time. so when you grow up you are more likely to have a negative association to jews. so from there all people need are reasons to express that negative association and turn it to hate. some actively seek it while ignoring any rational counter argument, such as holocaust deniers, those are the more extreme ones. the ones who don't actively seek new reasons to explain to themselves why they feel they why they do, rely on the publicized work of the active ones. for example people who hear that jews are trying to take over the world and immediately agree before even realizing that this is absurd.

however what I'm more concerned about is left wing stupidity.
watch this:
vimeo.com/67604802
it's like they are becoming what they hate. they don't realize that no matter what, everybody has a right to explain their opinions, this is the core of the democratic process. what changes is whether those ideas are reasonable and comply to the boundaries set by human rights.
those people didn't have to fight for anything in their lives, they don't understand the countless lives that were taken to give them their freedom, so that's why they can so bluntly throw it away for the sake of their "progressive" ideas.
those kind of protests sickens me, because it doesn't matter who is right or wrong, once such a thing happens we all lose.
User avatar #58 to #57 - finni (07/16/2013) [-]
The left-wings are just stupid. They see themselves as such smarties when they're ignorant and won't listen to logos argument. They always play on emotion, Pathos, as you can see with all the anti-Israel drawings you can find on google, but they never really appeal to logos, facts. I even saw one drawing comparing "Palestine deniers" to holocaust deniers, which shows how stupid they are and how they use feelings, but never facts. They sometimes have small amount of facts, but it's emotion they embrace
User avatar #59 to #58 - dmagen (07/16/2013) [-]
to the left we have cry babies with big mouths, to the right we have baboons which recently learned how to use logic but are doing a terrible job at it.
I can show you a site but it's rather disturbing.
simply put the idea behind one of the articles was that "jews want multiculturalism because some old jewish lady said so on TV, foreigners are committing rapes, hance jews want to destroy our society"
they fail to realize that if that old lady said she wanted multiculturalism is because she meant she wanted people to accept her being jewish like she accepts them being muslim or christian. she did not mean that foreigners should be imported to europe to commit mass rapings...
it's extremely disturbing and has a picture of a murdered girl so I recommended not going there but if you want to read for yourself:
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User avatar #60 to #59 - finni (07/16/2013) [-]
Yeah I know. That girl was even a social democrat who was the typical girl who wants to do good and change the world, instead, that happens

And either way, many Jews also despises multiculturalism, and they should since they are being forced to "flee" countries, such as Sweden, Malmö, because of multiculturalism.
User avatar #61 to #60 - dmagen (07/16/2013) [-]
by the way it says on the end of the article that she was in that music video. that's not true at all. the name of the girl in the video is michaela eklund, she is still alive and unraped as far as I know.
and ofcourse Jews wouldn't want multiculturalism in Europe, because instead it meaning "acceptance and understanding" it became "lets import a lot of strangers into our countries, let them do what they want, and when they start becoming extreme religious fanatics, call anyone who protest against that a racist"
User avatar #62 to #61 - finni (07/16/2013) [-]
Yeah exactly, because the thing with Multiculturalism is that you think of every culture equal to your own, but when you meet a culture who doesn't share that belief, there comes a problem, since you have to be tolerant towards them, but they don't return the favour.
User avatar #63 to #62 - dmagen (07/16/2013) [-]
yeah I think that if someone's culture views rape as acceptable, treats woman like crap, and opposes western values, I would be like "yeah your culture's **** dude"
User avatar #64 to #63 - finni (07/16/2013) [-]
Exactly. Western values are considered good, but why are they considered western values? Cause it comes from the Western world and it's west who follows them!
User avatar #65 to #64 - dmagen (07/16/2013) [-]
western people got that **** figured out XD
well we reached the "we both agree with each other" point again.
it was nice talking with you again.
I took a 2 day vacation from the army so you commented on a good time.
tomorrow I'm back to the army though.
#66 to #65 - finni (07/16/2013) [-]
Serve your country well, soldier
User avatar #67 to #66 - dmagen (07/16/2013) [-]
XD I'm not a fighter but thanks.
User avatar #47 to #46 - dmagen (07/03/2013) [-]
nice, it fits really well.
didn't know you could post youtube videos now though
User avatar #49 to #47 - finni (07/04/2013) [-]
Now you do
#43 - Womens Study Major (06/14/2013) [-]
Stay safe, soulja boy!
User avatar #48 to #43 - dmagen (07/04/2013) [-]
worthlessanons
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User avatar #45 to #43 - dmagen (06/15/2013) [-]
Why did you delete your old account?
Atleast tell me the name of the one you used to post this comment with.
I dont want to forget the one who made me create that account
User avatar #44 to #43 - dmagen (06/15/2013) [-]
sam?
#41 - finni (04/15/2013) [-]
Hey, happy national day
User avatar #42 to #41 - dmagen (04/16/2013) [-]
Thanks :D
Im one of the few who were ****** and werent released home today -_-
User avatar #32 - finni (03/21/2013) [-]
This one ******** went around expressing racist comments and threatening people on youtube. He was a clear Neo-Nazi. He threatened me for making jokes about Palestinians and threatened others as well. I am so glad I reported him, but I still can't shake the horrible words he gave against Muslims, Africans and your people, the Jews.

Yeah I know, wouldn't seem like I cared about Muslims right? Wrong. I think that Islam is a terrible religion and everyone should abstain as much as possible from it. However, it being a bad religion, does not mean that Muslims are bad in general. I get sick when I see people saying they want to KILL Muslims. I myself can be angry some of them, sure, but KILL? No, that's TOO far!
And my religion tells me to love my neighbour and love my enemy, so yeah, have to stick by it as much as I can, although it can be hard to truly love racists or extreme Muslims.
User avatar #33 to #32 - dmagen (03/21/2013) [-]
hmm k :P
told you already I agree with you on about 99% of the stuff you say.
#34 to #33 - finni (03/21/2013) [-]
Hehe, yeah. It just made me really sad, that's all
Hehe, yeah. It just made me really sad, that's all
User avatar #35 to #34 - dmagen (03/22/2013) [-]
I'm not really feeling sad now so I can't really understand your feelings and respond accordingly ( I mean I can, but it won't be of much help) :P
I simply hate whoever hates me and love whoever loves me.
I mean if somebody hates me I will try to change his mind, and if I can't, I will leave him alone, but if he wants to hurt me I will hate him and hurt him before.
User avatar #36 to #35 - finni (03/22/2013) [-]
Yeah, that's how we human work, isn't it?
User avatar #37 to #36 - dmagen (03/22/2013) [-]
according to Islam it doesn't...
hmm on an unrelated note, on April 3rd I will be officially joining the army
it's less than 2 weeks from now
User avatar #38 to #37 - finni (03/22/2013) [-]
Excited or nervous?
User avatar #39 to #38 - dmagen (03/22/2013) [-]
a little bit.
User avatar #40 to #39 - finni (03/22/2013) [-]
I see. You'll be doing your country a great service
User avatar #29 to #28 - dmagen (01/29/2013) [-]
they relay on stupid people who just listens to everything that is said to them without questioning it.
anyway I started playing this game everybody on funny junk are talking about, so if you know something about it, like a spoiler dont tell me.
User avatar #30 to #29 - finni (01/29/2013) [-]
I know **** about the game :P

It's that Japanese game isn't it? If it turns out good, tell me and I'll check it out :)
User avatar #20 - finni (12/28/2012) [-]
Don't worry Bro. I agree with what you're saying. Funnyjunk can't handle wrong opinions and facts that goes against their opinion.

Although Funnyjunk is kinda split in the Israel-Palestine conflict. It depends on what time of the hour you decide to support Israel or not :P
User avatar #21 to #20 - dmagen (12/28/2012) [-]
yeah I guess XD
User avatar #22 to #21 - finni (12/28/2012) [-]
Although I do understand how they can thumb down wrong opinions, I don't get what they think when they thumb me down for providing sources for my statement... o_O
User avatar #23 to #22 - dmagen (12/28/2012) [-]
these are propaganda fed people(it's currently the middle of the day in the middle east so there are a lot of them now), they will thumb you down on everything because they don't like your opinion.
User avatar #24 to #23 - finni (12/28/2012) [-]
Or facts. Damn sandpeople... Can't handle facts, opinions or even modern technology
User avatar #25 to #24 - dmagen (12/28/2012) [-]
XD sandpeople
well not all of them are like that, but most of them are.
User avatar #26 to #25 - finni (12/28/2012) [-]
True. I even have statistics suggesting they are like that, but get thumbed down for posting them...

It's kinda sad that the sandpeople in Israel votes for pro-Palestinian parties. That makes the relationship between Israeli Jews and Israeli Arabs much worse. The Arabs are also very unpatriotic and don't really feel anything for the country they live in, but they would rather live there than in any Arab country.

Israel does a lot to make diversity between Arabs and Jews, but it's still not that easy. Arabs have a very arrogant way of having a relationship together. Betrayal between each other is not taken lightly.
#6 - flixoe (11/28/2012) [-]
It might not mean much to you but after the year I've been on here (through 2 different accounts) your gif of the peeing statue has been my only favorite. I absolutely love it!
User avatar #7 to #6 - dmagen (11/28/2012) [-]
:D thanks
it's not mine though, I just saw it and loved it, like you, so I decided to post it to fj.
you can say I'm just the messenger :P
User avatar #1 - mentalgiant (11/06/2012) [-]
DELETE YOUR ACCOUNT FAGGOT
User avatar #2 to #1 - dmagen (11/06/2012) [-]
NEVER!!!
or atleast in a year or so
what comes first
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