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#161 - Agreed! That would be why I mentioned the toll on the racer's …  [+] (6 new replies) 02/23/2016 on gaming is a sport 0
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#162 - reggaemortis (02/23/2016) [-]
Still, physical fitness gives a distinct advantage. I can't say the same about e-sports and chess.
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#164 - dharkmoswen (02/23/2016) [-]
Well, the focus isn't about physical fitness. It's about tactics, strategy, and (excluding chess) teamwork.
Sadly, if you go off the definition, only sports that include physical/athletic ability are sports.
Honestly I don't see chess as a sport either, I was mainly defending e-sports and other non-physical sports/"sports." (whichever people feel the need to use.)
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#168 - reggaemortis (02/23/2016) [-]
Wait why isn't chess a sport to you as well? You said the focus is on tactics and strategy and chess meets both of those requirements.
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#174 - dharkmoswen (02/23/2016) [-]
And teamwork.
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#175 - reggaemortis (02/23/2016) [-]
Well what about fighting game tournaments. Those aren't sports (or e-sports) then?
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#182 - dharkmoswen (02/23/2016) [-]
Depends on how it's set up. Much like martial arts, MMA, or pro wresstling, there are still teams, so personally, I still see it as a sport.
Yes, I know that how I see it and how things are are completely different and I don't expect anyone to change to my views because it makes more sense to me. To each their own
#159 - Well damn, I can't argue that. Putting people in their place …  [+] (3 new replies) 02/23/2016 on gaming is a sport +1
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#181 - shamrockd (02/23/2016) [-]
First lesson is to act incredibly condescending towards anyone you meet, but you would've already known that if you weren't so dense.
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#184 - dharkmoswen (02/23/2016) [-]
If I am dense, you must be Osmium. All joking aside, thank you. I have had a shitty day and really needed the smile from this.
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#186 - shamrockd (02/23/2016) [-]
Glad I could help. Making snide comments really IS important work.
#34 - THANK YOU! That was adorable and I love the coloring on that raven!  [+] (3 new replies) 02/23/2016 on nice birds +1
#38 - pyjamadog (02/23/2016) [-]
No problem bae
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#39 - dharkmoswen (02/23/2016) [-]
So.... one question..... Why are you a bear and not a dog?
#40 - pyjamadog (02/23/2016) [-]
I am a themed account with the power to become all themed accounts
#32 - Don't they have their own way of playing? Or am I getting my b… 02/23/2016 on nice birds 0
#155 - So what do you do with your day?  [+] (5 new replies) 02/23/2016 on gaming is a sport 0
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#157 - shamrockd (02/23/2016) [-]
I do something productive: I make snide comments on the internet.
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#159 - dharkmoswen (02/23/2016) [-]
Well damn, I can't argue that. Putting people in their place is a productive use of time. Is there any way I could join your cause? Teach me your ways, master!
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#181 - shamrockd (02/23/2016) [-]
First lesson is to act incredibly condescending towards anyone you meet, but you would've already known that if you weren't so dense.
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#184 - dharkmoswen (02/23/2016) [-]
If I am dense, you must be Osmium. All joking aside, thank you. I have had a shitty day and really needed the smile from this.
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#186 - shamrockd (02/23/2016) [-]
Glad I could help. Making snide comments really IS important work.
#154 - Why do so many people have this way of thinking? Sports are al…  [+] (8 new replies) 02/23/2016 on gaming is a sport 0
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#158 - reggaemortis (02/23/2016) [-]
Racing is actually quite a broad spectrum. Being a NASCAR driver doesn't perhaps presuppose athletic fitness but something like IndyCar demands you be an elite athlete to make up for the heavy G-forces. Holding those corners is a bitch in a fast car. Can't be weak behind the weel.
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#161 - dharkmoswen (02/23/2016) [-]
Agreed! That would be why I mentioned the toll on the racer's body. People don't realize how fit and healthy those drivers have to be. Still, what they are doing is very little.
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#162 - reggaemortis (02/23/2016) [-]
Still, physical fitness gives a distinct advantage. I can't say the same about e-sports and chess.
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#164 - dharkmoswen (02/23/2016) [-]
Well, the focus isn't about physical fitness. It's about tactics, strategy, and (excluding chess) teamwork.
Sadly, if you go off the definition, only sports that include physical/athletic ability are sports.
Honestly I don't see chess as a sport either, I was mainly defending e-sports and other non-physical sports/"sports." (whichever people feel the need to use.)
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#168 - reggaemortis (02/23/2016) [-]
Wait why isn't chess a sport to you as well? You said the focus is on tactics and strategy and chess meets both of those requirements.
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#174 - dharkmoswen (02/23/2016) [-]
And teamwork.
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#175 - reggaemortis (02/23/2016) [-]
Well what about fighting game tournaments. Those aren't sports (or e-sports) then?
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#182 - dharkmoswen (02/23/2016) [-]
Depends on how it's set up. Much like martial arts, MMA, or pro wresstling, there are still teams, so personally, I still see it as a sport.
Yes, I know that how I see it and how things are are completely different and I don't expect anyone to change to my views because it makes more sense to me. To each their own
#152 - I'm almost lv300. I'm not lazy by any means. Just because some… 02/23/2016 on gaming is a sport 0
#151 - 1- esports, motorsports. Ok so you have two different kinds of…  [+] (2 new replies) 02/23/2016 on gaming is a sport 0
#176 - alleksi (02/23/2016) [-]
>if I'm wrong and these inane and ridiculous phrases actually exist, I apologize.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cue_sports
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind_sport

and none of those are "sports". they're like brothers to "sports".
sports is a subcategory of competition/game (in competition you aren't allowed to interfere with other contestants, like swimming, in a game you are, like football)

And sports aren't about teamwork. There are plenty of traditional sports that are performed solo. Like tennis for example. Or as an esports example, Starcraft or Quake.

I wrote a really long continuation, and the further I got I started to realize a kind of a fatal flaw in my logic. I'll leave it here if you wanna know my train of thought:
Commonly when people say "sports" they mean "athletic sports" or "traditional sports".
You have to keep in mind that "sports" was originally meant for shit like football and such and such, the kind of games you think of first when imagining "sports". So athletic sports have a kind of a chronological privilege to be called just "sports". "sport" and "athletic sports" are interchangeable in that regard.
People just don't wanna say "athletic sports" because it sounds redundant in their heads (like, "sport sports" or "athletic athletics").

Do you think that when someone asks "is esports sports", that they mean "is esports an entertaining competition?" no, of course not. They're asking if esports can be grouped up together with games like football and such.

The whole problem is that literally any form of competition or game can become a sport as soon as it gathers a following. So having an overarching term called "the sports" is absolutely useless, because it would by synonymous with "game" or "competition". It would be an useless term. But when using the word in a manner like "x-sports y-sports" etc, you are creating further subcategories, actual new definitions. F.ex. "motorsports: a form of competition with motorized vehicles", or "esports: competing through video games"

Another problem is that "sport" is almost like a title admitted through the general publics recognition. Not all competitions are sports. Like I said, they can be, but they aren't, because they don't have the spectators to support it as a sport. A sport has to have a following that doesn't only consist of its practitioners, it's a form of entertainment for the masses. So not all forms of competition or game can be sports. The problem this causes is that you can't really define competition/game as a subcategory of sports (conflict->sports->competition/game), unless you remove the spectator from the definition, which I strongly believe to be a crucial part of all sports.


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The conclusion I came to was that an important part of sports is that they have an active spectator following. It has to have fans, basically. and that's the part that differentiates sports from competition/game.

But that doesn't change the fact that words aren't defined by logic, but by their usage. If people use the word "sport" as a specific term for "athletic sports", then that's the definition.

If someone on the street asks me "is esports a sport" the short answer to that is "no, it's esports", the long answer would be "yes, but lets redefine the word sports first...". Because it's important to understand what people mean when they ask that question. It's a question along the lines of "are esport players athletes?" and the answer to that is no, unless we redefine athlete to mean something other than a person who practices athletics.

Esports isn't a sport in the traditional sense
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#183 - dharkmoswen (02/23/2016) [-]
As I said. I was wrong, and while I think those are stupid terms, you're right.

As far as the whole subcategory thing, let me use an example: Breeds. Breeds are essentially a subcategory. Dobermans and Retrievers are still dogs even though they are a subcategory of dog. esports and cuesports are still sports, though you are right in that they are not traditional sports.
I think the most important thing here, however, is the fans. Feels to me like you're onto something with that. Even the definition of "sport" requires a fanbase or spectators of some sort.

By the way, thanks for having an actual discussion, rather than just stubbornly insisting that you're right and I'm an idiot. I already know I'm an idiot, I don't need people telling me. ^.^
#147 - People are not allowed to have interests or fun around you, are they?  [+] (7 new replies) 02/23/2016 on gaming is a sport 0
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#150 - shamrockd (02/23/2016) [-]
Absolutely not, I find it an abhorrent and disgusting waste of time and resources.
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#155 - dharkmoswen (02/23/2016) [-]
So what do you do with your day?
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#157 - shamrockd (02/23/2016) [-]
I do something productive: I make snide comments on the internet.
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#159 - dharkmoswen (02/23/2016) [-]
Well damn, I can't argue that. Putting people in their place is a productive use of time. Is there any way I could join your cause? Teach me your ways, master!
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#181 - shamrockd (02/23/2016) [-]
First lesson is to act incredibly condescending towards anyone you meet, but you would've already known that if you weren't so dense.
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#184 - dharkmoswen (02/23/2016) [-]
If I am dense, you must be Osmium. All joking aside, thank you. I have had a shitty day and really needed the smile from this.
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#186 - shamrockd (02/23/2016) [-]
Glad I could help. Making snide comments really IS important work.
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