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#48 - It's like road rage 10/21/2017 on Gaming Community 0

#79 - oh and you can hack mercy but good sombras are one in a million lol 10/21/2017 on Heal Slut 0

#78 - I'm GM and I firmly believe that mercy is still busted. Res ha… [+] (2 replies) 10/21/2017 on Heal Slut 0

#95 - therealkakashi (10/21/2017) [-]

yes i think a lot of people underestimate how POWERFUL rez is. i'm in gold and i can recognize this. it worked when it was her ult because that's a reasonable trade, but it came to a point where the core healer of the team had to hide instead of actually healing the team

valkyrie is...... an interesting way of going about it. on the one hand she can now be on the front lines healing the team and being part of the action. on the other hand she's now a harder target to hit than pharah and regenerates health.... oh yeah, and at least 1-2 rezes guaranteed even AFTER the rez cooldown nerf. pharah's probably not a problem for GM players but it's a little more difficult for us.

and yeah i'm not gonna say i'm the next calvin or iddqd but there are points where i have swapped to tank or dps and we have won. keep in mind i am in gold and people aren't the best there. i'm just saying i would rather have fun playing support than WIN as dps - because i like playing as suppports more. that's why in competitive my most played heroes are tank/dps, because there i'm actually trying to win.

#79 - cosmiccactus (10/21/2017) [-]

oh and you can hack mercy but good sombras are one in a million lol

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#46 - subaqueousreach (09/12/2017) [-]

>demon loli

You really cant understand why people here like this comic? Im pretty sure at least a quarter the users here are registered sex offenders.

#37 - "Patterson reports that Koko's use of signs and her actio… [+] (6 replies) 09/11/2017 on Hawk griefs over dead chick +12

#39 - justtocomment (09/11/2017) [-]

She "learns to complete the signs simply because the researchers reward her for doing so".
You mean exactly how children learn to speak from their parents, who reward them with praise and snacks for saying words?

#40 - beefkakes (09/11/2017) [-]

Better go cash in those big boy points and collect your rewards for saying that long sentence of yours then.

#41 - justtocomment (09/11/2017) [-]

Cute.
You can't prove there is any significant difference between a young child's grasp of language as a concept, and that of a signing ape. They learn to communicate to explain their desires - and they do so by mimicking the way their trainers communicate to them. They then learn to combine different parts of different sentences to create their own thoughts.

#43 - beefkakes (09/11/2017) [-]

I'm saying is that I've never been rewarded for just talking, not even now.

The whole point of the sentence you've quoted is to explain the act of conditioning. Dogs will do tricks, only because they expect a treat or praise in return, not because they blatantly want to.

A gorilla would learn sign language and do it if it meant getting special treatment, not because it wants to speak to the world.

I do not speak expecting to receive praise and gifts from peers, only because I want to out of my own volition.

#44 - justtocomment (09/11/2017) [-]

"You mean exactly how children learn to speak from their parents..."
Children learn.
Children.
Learn.
Are you a fucking child? An infant just now learning to speak? You would have been too young to remember the interactions, but parents coax their kids into learning to speak. They ask their children to repeat after them, identify objects, and reward them (often with the identified object) for doing so. They say things like "use your words" or "how do we ask for things". Eventually the kid goes from mimicking the parent to using the noises (words) they learned to get the response they want.

#47 - beefkakes (09/11/2017) [-]

I sometimes wondering if it's even worth it to respond to this, since you would just not listen to what I say.

Let us go back to the sentence you've quoted.

"learns to complete the signs simply because the researchers reward her for doing so". Reread it again, since this is the basis of your argument. Understand what you're arguing against.

Now let me quote several things. The first is the definition of conditioning.

"Conditioning, in physiology, a behavioral process whereby a response becomes more frequent or more predictable in a given environment as a result of reinforcement, with reinforcement typically being a stimulus or reward for a desired response."

Now let me quote a very basic example of it.

"In this traditional technique, which is based on the work of the Russian physiologist Ivan P. Pavlov, a dog is placed in a harness within a sound-shielded room. On each conditioning trial the sound of a bell or a metronome is promptly followed by food powder blown by an air puff into the dog’s mouth. Here the tone of the bell is known as the conditioned (or sometimes conditional) stimulus, abbreviated as CS. The dog’s salivation upon hearing this sound is the conditioned response (CR). The strength of conditioning is measured in terms of the number of drops of saliva the dog secretes during test trials in which food powder is omitted after the bell has rung. The dog’s original response of salivation upon the introduction of food into its mouth is called the unconditioned response (UR) to food, which is the unconditioned stimulus (US)."

Now let me restate the basis of my argument.

What I'm saying is that Koko hasn't learned sign language for her own self. She does not practice it nor study it in her own time, but instead does it for the reward she will receive after noticing the Conditioned Stimulus, whether it be cameras in a room, a specific room, or the cues of her trainer.

Children, on the other hand, do not expect the reward for learning new words or pronunciation of them. Sure, parents may be happy that a child is saying mama for the first time, but they otherwise learn on their own without an expected response or reward.

That being said, it does not mean children or humans in general cannot be conditioned to do anything. We reward kids for doing good in sports games, which then conditions them to continue being their best at them. We praise adults for their excellent work ethic and promotions, which conditions them to do the same.

tl;dr, Koko is conditioned to use sign language for her rewards. Children are not conditioned to speak for a reward. I go back to my previous example. Dogs will do tricks, only because they expect a treat or praise in return, not because they blatantly want to.

#25 - Coco the gorilla is a sham. [+] (9 replies) 09/11/2017 on Hawk griefs over dead chick 0

#64 - anon (09/11/2017) [-]

True, but Kanzi was real.

#33 - jonnyogg (09/11/2017) [-]

Fuck you

#37 - cosmiccactus (09/11/2017) [-]

"Patterson reports that Koko's use of signs and her actions, which are consistent with her use of signs, indicate she has mastered the use of sign language.[2] Other researchers argue that Koko does not understand the meaning behind what she is doing and learns to complete the signs simply because the researchers reward her for doing so (indicating that her actions are the product of operant conditioning).[13][14] Another concern that has been raised about Koko's ability to express coherent thoughts through signs is that interpretation of the gorilla's conversation is left to the handler, who may see improbable concatenations of signs as meaningful. For example, when Koko signs "sad" there is no way to tell whether she means it with the connotation of "How sad." or if she has no syntax[clarification needed]. Following Patterson's initial publications in 1978, a series of critical evaluations of her reports of signing behavior in great apes argued that video evidence suggested that Koko was simply being prompted by their trainers' unconscious cues to display specific signs, in what is commonly called the Clever Hans effect.[15][16][17][18][19][20] Such debate requires careful consideration of what it means to "learn" or "use" a language[citation needed] (see Animal language for further discussion)."

The science on Koko is disputed, but the point is there's not substantial evidence that she ever really understood language. There are an astounding number of problems with the Koko "experiment" but the average person just sees a documentary or some footage and takes it as fact.

#39 - justtocomment (09/11/2017) [-]

#40 - beefkakes (09/11/2017) [-]

Better go cash in those big boy points and collect your rewards for saying that long sentence of yours then.

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