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#95363 - it aint sexual; it aint rape 8 hours ago on Religion Board 0
#95358 - k 9 hours ago on Religion Board 0
#95356 - idk man  [+] (2 new replies) 9 hours ago on Religion Board 0
#95357 - syrianassassin (9 hours ago) [-]
they did cut mine for a medical reason. my grandma forced my dad for this. they said it was done after i was born 3 days later
User avatar #95358 - cleverguy (9 hours ago) [-]
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#95354 - sorry i made you wait so long bb  [+] (4 new replies) 9 hours ago on Religion Board 0
User avatar #95355 - syrianassassin (9 hours ago) [-]
but you think your people do this for medical reason?
User avatar #95356 - cleverguy (9 hours ago) [-]
idk man
#95357 - syrianassassin (9 hours ago) [-]
they did cut mine for a medical reason. my grandma forced my dad for this. they said it was done after i was born 3 days later
User avatar #95358 - cleverguy (9 hours ago) [-]
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#95352 - Picture  [+] (6 new replies) 9 hours ago on Religion Board 0
#95353 - syrianassassin (9 hours ago) [-]
finally after hours of discussion you brought a symbol of good convincing logical answer.
User avatar #95354 - cleverguy (9 hours ago) [-]
sorry i made you wait so long bb
User avatar #95355 - syrianassassin (9 hours ago) [-]
but you think your people do this for medical reason?
User avatar #95356 - cleverguy (9 hours ago) [-]
idk man
#95357 - syrianassassin (9 hours ago) [-]
they did cut mine for a medical reason. my grandma forced my dad for this. they said it was done after i was born 3 days later
User avatar #95358 - cleverguy (9 hours ago) [-]
k
#95350 - what are the medical reasons? and you could argue tha…  [+] (8 new replies) 9 hours ago on Religion Board 0
User avatar #95351 - syrianassassin (9 hours ago) [-]
why cutting the umbilical cord for medical reason?
as such:

effects of delayed cord clamping include an increased risk of polycythemia. Still, this condition appeared to be benign in studies.[20] Infants whose cord clamping occurred later than 60 seconds after birth had a higher rate of neonatal jaundice requiring phototherapy.[19]

Delayed clamping is not recommended as a response to cases where the newborn is not breathing well and needs resuscitation. Rather, the recommendation is instead to immediately clamp and cut the cord and perform cardiopulmonary resuscitation. The umbilical cord pulsating is not a guarantee that the baby is receiving enough oxygen.

Hutton EK, Hassan ES (March 2007). "Late vs early clamping of the umbilical cord in full-term neonates: systematic review and meta-analysis of controlled trials". JAMA 297 (11): 1241–52. doi:10.1001/jama.297.11.1241. PMID 17374818

Effect of timing of umbilical cord clamping of term infants on maternal and neonatal outcomes." Cochrane Database Syst Rev. 2008; (2):CD004074

www.brooksidepress.org/Products/Military_OBGYN/Textbook/LaborandDelivery/delivery_of_the_baby.htm

www.waterbirth.org/mc/page.do?sitePageId=38564
>foreskin for hygienic reasons

then ok so if you want but bring reason and proof
#95353 - syrianassassin (9 hours ago) [-]
finally after hours of discussion you brought a symbol of good convincing logical answer.
User avatar #95354 - cleverguy (9 hours ago) [-]
sorry i made you wait so long bb
User avatar #95355 - syrianassassin (9 hours ago) [-]
but you think your people do this for medical reason?
User avatar #95356 - cleverguy (9 hours ago) [-]
idk man
#95357 - syrianassassin (9 hours ago) [-]
they did cut mine for a medical reason. my grandma forced my dad for this. they said it was done after i was born 3 days later
User avatar #95358 - cleverguy (9 hours ago) [-]
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#95348 - by that logic we have no right to cut off the baby's umbilical cord  [+] (10 new replies) 9 hours ago on Religion Board 0
User avatar #95349 - syrianassassin (9 hours ago) [-]
we cut it for medical reason. and it will be useless when the baby growup.

but the foreskin there are no medical reason to do so. only because "you can"
User avatar #95350 - cleverguy (9 hours ago) [-]
what are the medical reasons?

and you could argue that we cut the foreskin for hygienic reasons
User avatar #95351 - syrianassassin (9 hours ago) [-]
why cutting the umbilical cord for medical reason?
as such:

effects of delayed cord clamping include an increased risk of polycythemia. Still, this condition appeared to be benign in studies.[20] Infants whose cord clamping occurred later than 60 seconds after birth had a higher rate of neonatal jaundice requiring phototherapy.[19]

Delayed clamping is not recommended as a response to cases where the newborn is not breathing well and needs resuscitation. Rather, the recommendation is instead to immediately clamp and cut the cord and perform cardiopulmonary resuscitation. The umbilical cord pulsating is not a guarantee that the baby is receiving enough oxygen.

Hutton EK, Hassan ES (March 2007). "Late vs early clamping of the umbilical cord in full-term neonates: systematic review and meta-analysis of controlled trials". JAMA 297 (11): 1241–52. doi:10.1001/jama.297.11.1241. PMID 17374818

Effect of timing of umbilical cord clamping of term infants on maternal and neonatal outcomes." Cochrane Database Syst Rev. 2008; (2):CD004074

www.brooksidepress.org/Products/Military_OBGYN/Textbook/LaborandDelivery/delivery_of_the_baby.htm

www.waterbirth.org/mc/page.do?sitePageId=38564
>foreskin for hygienic reasons

then ok so if you want but bring reason and proof
#95353 - syrianassassin (9 hours ago) [-]
finally after hours of discussion you brought a symbol of good convincing logical answer.
User avatar #95354 - cleverguy (9 hours ago) [-]
sorry i made you wait so long bb
User avatar #95355 - syrianassassin (9 hours ago) [-]
but you think your people do this for medical reason?
User avatar #95356 - cleverguy (9 hours ago) [-]
idk man
#95357 - syrianassassin (9 hours ago) [-]
they did cut mine for a medical reason. my grandma forced my dad for this. they said it was done after i was born 3 days later
User avatar #95358 - cleverguy (9 hours ago) [-]
k
#95346 - well that reasoning is different than your original reasoning …  [+] (12 new replies) 9 hours ago on Religion Board 0
User avatar #95347 - syrianassassin (9 hours ago) [-]
it is not your penis. no right to cut it until the man grow up and say cut my jiggly wiggly
User avatar #95348 - cleverguy (9 hours ago) [-]
by that logic we have no right to cut off the baby's umbilical cord
User avatar #95349 - syrianassassin (9 hours ago) [-]
we cut it for medical reason. and it will be useless when the baby growup.

but the foreskin there are no medical reason to do so. only because "you can"
User avatar #95350 - cleverguy (9 hours ago) [-]
what are the medical reasons?

and you could argue that we cut the foreskin for hygienic reasons
User avatar #95351 - syrianassassin (9 hours ago) [-]
why cutting the umbilical cord for medical reason?
as such:

effects of delayed cord clamping include an increased risk of polycythemia. Still, this condition appeared to be benign in studies.[20] Infants whose cord clamping occurred later than 60 seconds after birth had a higher rate of neonatal jaundice requiring phototherapy.[19]

Delayed clamping is not recommended as a response to cases where the newborn is not breathing well and needs resuscitation. Rather, the recommendation is instead to immediately clamp and cut the cord and perform cardiopulmonary resuscitation. The umbilical cord pulsating is not a guarantee that the baby is receiving enough oxygen.

Hutton EK, Hassan ES (March 2007). "Late vs early clamping of the umbilical cord in full-term neonates: systematic review and meta-analysis of controlled trials". JAMA 297 (11): 1241–52. doi:10.1001/jama.297.11.1241. PMID 17374818

Effect of timing of umbilical cord clamping of term infants on maternal and neonatal outcomes." Cochrane Database Syst Rev. 2008; (2):CD004074

www.brooksidepress.org/Products/Military_OBGYN/Textbook/LaborandDelivery/delivery_of_the_baby.htm

www.waterbirth.org/mc/page.do?sitePageId=38564
>foreskin for hygienic reasons

then ok so if you want but bring reason and proof
#95353 - syrianassassin (9 hours ago) [-]
finally after hours of discussion you brought a symbol of good convincing logical answer.
User avatar #95354 - cleverguy (9 hours ago) [-]
sorry i made you wait so long bb
User avatar #95355 - syrianassassin (9 hours ago) [-]
but you think your people do this for medical reason?
User avatar #95356 - cleverguy (9 hours ago) [-]
idk man
#95357 - syrianassassin (9 hours ago) [-]
they did cut mine for a medical reason. my grandma forced my dad for this. they said it was done after i was born 3 days later
User avatar #95358 - cleverguy (9 hours ago) [-]
k
#95344 - thats because their logic is bad  [+] (1 new reply) 9 hours ago on Religion Board 0
User avatar #95345 - syrianassassin (9 hours ago) [-]
and same as yours. you have no right to cut the men penis. it is not yours it is for them.
#95342 - murder in cold blood is not morally permissible so according t…  [+] (3 new replies) 9 hours ago on Religion Board 0
User avatar #95343 - syrianassassin (9 hours ago) [-]
but for them it is ok and nothing morally bad about it.

it is your same logic going here.
User avatar #95344 - cleverguy (9 hours ago) [-]
thats because their logic is bad
User avatar #95345 - syrianassassin (9 hours ago) [-]
and same as yours. you have no right to cut the men penis. it is not yours it is for them.

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User avatar #317 - cognosceteipsum (08/08/2014) [-]
FJ gave me a malware warning. I think that's the que for us to leave. This antisemitic, racist, victimizing, malware-ridden, atheistkulting, generally rude site is not much to have. But I have an offer for you. Leave me your skype and I will try to convince you to join me
User avatar #338 to #317 - cleverguy ONLINE (08/11/2014) [-]
that definition is alright, but it doesn't seem like you do that because everything you say is subjective
User avatar #318 to #317 - cleverguy ONLINE (08/08/2014) [-]
join you doing what? what are you even talking about?
User avatar #319 to #318 - cognosceteipsum (08/08/2014) [-]
I'm going to start up a project. I'll tell you more about it if you want.
User avatar #320 to #319 - cleverguy ONLINE (08/09/2014) [-]
just tell me now. why would i want to agree to something i know nothing about, especially when you just talked **** about me
User avatar #321 to #320 - cognosceteipsum (08/10/2014) [-]
"I'll tell you more if you want to know more" not "I'll tell you more if you want to join me", my bad. Oh also, I actually changed my mind, I don't want to start that yet. The project

www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqVG4-ykP4c
here's some interesting psychology about religion
User avatar #322 to #321 - cleverguy ONLINE (08/11/2014) [-]
you really need to think before you speak
User avatar #323 to #322 - cognosceteipsum (08/11/2014) [-]
But I did. I just changed my mind.
User avatar #324 to #323 - cleverguy ONLINE (08/11/2014) [-]
you do that way too often for me to believe you
User avatar #325 to #324 - cognosceteipsum (08/11/2014) [-]
Do as you please. Heck, Christ was nailed to a cross just to show people he was the one true son of God or whatever. You know why I change my thoughts so often? Because I learn a lot and I think a lot. Almost constantly actually. I'm sorry if you're suspicious of me, but in the end, it can be traced down to my heckling of you being Jewish. Glad I'm notlike that aanymore for myself, but hey, you can be as you want and do as you want.
User avatar #326 to #325 - cleverguy ONLINE (08/11/2014) [-]
because you take in information and believe it without analysis. regurgitating every new thought that pops into your head is not "learning". just because you think a lot doesn't mean your thoughts are profound or correct.

that's not why im suspicious of you, you just say weird **** all the time. and its tough to say whether you're not like that anymore or not because you may change your mind again.
User avatar #327 to #326 - cognosceteipsum (08/11/2014) [-]
Well you know. I do analyze what I've said. I just say what I believe for the moment in order to do peer review.

Ah. Well. Just take me as I am and leave behind labels and other stuff?
User avatar #328 to #327 - cleverguy ONLINE (08/11/2014) [-]
you should do self review before asking for "peer review"

why do you want my acceptance so badly?
User avatar #329 to #328 - cognosceteipsum (08/11/2014) [-]
Well... I do. I come to my own conclusions. Likr that games may increase spacial intelligence.

I don't really... I just try to be friends with as many people as possible.
User avatar #330 to #329 - cleverguy ONLINE (08/11/2014) [-]
you're really not making sense here
User avatar #331 to #330 - cognosceteipsum (08/11/2014) [-]
In what way_
User avatar #332 to #331 - cleverguy ONLINE (08/11/2014) [-]
you keep saying contradicting things
User avatar #333 to #332 - cognosceteipsum (08/11/2014) [-]
Well, I am not a God, I will say some condtradictory things and well sometimes I just don't notice it. I guess all the time I don't notice. Name some contradicting things and I will try to respond to it
User avatar #334 to #333 - cleverguy ONLINE (08/11/2014) [-]
>I do analyze what I've said.
>I just say what I believe for the moment

these are directly contradictory
User avatar #335 to #334 - cognosceteipsum (08/11/2014) [-]
I don't see how. I analyze it, then come to another conclusion, leave that, analyze, repeat.
User avatar #336 to #335 - cleverguy ONLINE (08/11/2014) [-]
do you know what analyze means?
User avatar #337 to #336 - cognosceteipsum (08/11/2014) [-]
I know what I think it is. To look at in objective light?
User avatar #276 - cognosceteipsum (07/25/2014) [-]
So, are you a believer of any sort in any deity or creed? I'd say I'm an existentialist and an omnitheist. I believe there's an objective purpose to our existence.
User avatar #297 to #276 - cleverguy ONLINE (07/25/2014) [-]
i don't want you to act differently, i want you to think differently
User avatar #299 to #297 - cognosceteipsum (07/25/2014) [-]
Hm. Alright. But those two are intertwined.. although yes, I will try to think of it differently.. to just.. be appreciative.. for.. the things... i have... and to thank... myself? Or just thank nature for creating me with natural selection?
User avatar #300 to #299 - cleverguy ONLINE (07/25/2014) [-]
you don't have to thank anyone for things that happened on their own. you can thank your parents and stuff for raising you and you can thank farmers and stuff for your food and other things like that, but other things you don't really have to thank anyone for. you can enjoy how pretty trees are, but you don't have to thank anyone for it, just enjoy it
User avatar #301 to #300 - cognosceteipsum (07/25/2014) [-]
Alriiight I guess... but saying thanks has been showed to raise your happiness levels by escaping the hedonic treadmill... www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5lZBjWDR_c
User avatar #302 to #301 - cleverguy ONLINE (07/25/2014) [-]
well that's fine and good, but that still doesn't mean that there's anyone to thank
User avatar #303 to #302 - cognosceteipsum (07/25/2014) [-]
Sure, fiiiiine alrigth nobody to thank xd fine, let us keep it at that
User avatar #304 to #303 - cleverguy ONLINE (07/25/2014) [-]
okie dokie
User avatar #277 to #276 - cleverguy ONLINE (07/25/2014) [-]
my culture is jewish, but i don't believe in the religion. i don't believe any sort of deity exists because i've decided that a maximally great being can't exist because a maximally great being is not necessary.

i guess I'm an existential nihilist
User avatar #278 to #277 - cognosceteipsum (07/25/2014) [-]
so.. necessity is the defining factor for you? I don't know how to argue at this point I think.. not sure if I'm intelligent enough.

hm. yeah, probably, then you believe in the subjective meaning of exist and enjoy, which everyone does, like... what else is there to do? I myself believe there's something more to do (go into trance, talk with God, explore, just a step higher well being I guess) but I respect your belief as I believed that for a very long time
User avatar #279 to #278 - cleverguy ONLINE (07/25/2014) [-]
well yeah necessity is a defining factor because a maximally great being would be a necessary being, as in no possible universe could exist without this being's influence, but since i don't think our universe needed this being's influence, this being must not be necessary and thus the being doesn't exist.
i know you said you didn't want to argue that point, i just thought i should explain further

not subjective meaning, just that there is no "meaning"
i don't think there's any reason to think that humans have a special purpose in the universe, we are biological machines just like every other living thing. the only thing we've evolved to do efficiently is reproduce. so we might as well just deal with that and just live our lives the best we can, but wondering about meaning and purpose is a waste of time with this in mind.
User avatar #280 to #279 - cognosceteipsum (07/25/2014) [-]
Hm. I guess I'm more of a deist then as i believe he set it in motion and he made hardships for us with hidden nuggets of psychological strength. Like, your mother got cancer so that you could learn to cope with loss. YOU got cancer so that you got used to how medicine worked and to cooperate, to learn to appreciate life for real and so on, that's how I believe. I believe in God, for in each moment, I find a blessing. No kidding. Every ******* moment I find something new and good and if you look too in each moment, you will find that your life is already abundant

Well yeah, but the living lives best is a subjective meaning isn't it? A meaning you applied
oh and.. not supposed to talk behind peoples backs but.. thanks for not spazzing out like willow.. I used to like him... until he turned this way.. all corrupted by meaninglessness
User avatar #281 to #280 - cleverguy ONLINE (07/25/2014) [-]
well the thing about that belief is that it's more based in wishful thinking than actual truth
like it would be cool if it were true, but there's no real reason to think that it is true

it's not meaning, it's advice
User avatar #282 to #281 - cognosceteipsum (07/25/2014) [-]
Just take the chance in believing in it and see what happens? For me, what has happened throughout my life is proof, but I don't know.

Alright.
User avatar #283 to #282 - cleverguy ONLINE (07/25/2014) [-]
is something supposed to happen? can't i enjoy life my own way?
User avatar #284 to #283 - cognosceteipsum (07/25/2014) [-]
That's how it is from my point of view lol, that everything is predetermined by God..

but you have free will and you get to choose.. see, here is where it gets REALLY murky and you might just be smarter and know more than I do in this area. But I believe you have the freedom to choose what kind of good thing you want to experience. You can fap or sex. You can live concert, livestreamed concert, or live recorded video on youtube concert. You can neuroscience or cosmology. You can both. You can all. See?
User avatar #285 to #284 - cleverguy ONLINE (07/25/2014) [-]
but what does that have to do with God?
User avatar #286 to #285 - cognosceteipsum (07/25/2014) [-]
Those are the choices He gave you, that's what I believe.
User avatar #287 to #286 - cleverguy ONLINE (07/25/2014) [-]
but why do you believe god gave you those choices?
User avatar #288 to #287 - cognosceteipsum (07/25/2014) [-]
Because they are so great. They may be random; I Don't really care either way, I will live my life the same way with and without God.
User avatar #289 to #288 - cleverguy ONLINE (07/25/2014) [-]
that's what i'm saying, you would live the same either way, the only difference is that you're inserting an unnecessary God being into your life and giving it credit for things that happened on their own.

it's occ.'s razor basically, you have no reason to accredit God to these things
User avatar #290 to #289 - cognosceteipsum (07/25/2014) [-]
Well then. I guess I'll just acredit God to it and you don't, that's fine, we can still be friends.
User avatar #291 to #290 - cleverguy ONLINE (07/25/2014) [-]
I'm just wondering why you do that? why do you think it has to be God?
User avatar #292 to #291 - cognosceteipsum (07/25/2014) [-]
Gut feeling. Also friends who believe in God and so I do too. Not peer pressure. Please don't treat my belief any less than I treat your disbelief. I can't really explain it. But it's not less valid than your disbelief imo; I can see if you disagree, but please.
User avatar #293 to #292 - cleverguy ONLINE (07/25/2014) [-]
well that's the thing, by definition your belief is not valid
User avatar #294 to #293 - cognosceteipsum (07/25/2014) [-]
How about we do a little thing called have faith? Is that wrong? It's not like it's going to subtract anything from my life; but it IS going to add some things. I have someone to thank for all the great things, which make me even more happy for it
User avatar #295 to #294 - cleverguy ONLINE (07/25/2014) [-]
yeah i know, faith is ok, but you have to understand that it is just that: faith-something not based in logic or reason, but believed for completely arbitrary reason, aka not valid

it's ok to have it, and it's ok to believe things, but don't pretend like you have a good reason to believe it
User avatar #298 to #295 - cognosceteipsum (07/25/2014) [-]
Also, keep in mind, I MAY find reasons to believe along the way.
User avatar #296 to #295 - cognosceteipsum (07/25/2014) [-]
Fine, how do you want me to act then? Give a scenario please
User avatar #269 - teoberry (07/25/2014) [-]
Do you mind if I continue our PM convo on here or my profile or somewhere? I forget about PMs and it's annoying to respond.
User avatar #273 to #269 - teoberry (07/25/2014) [-]
The third source isn't too reliable. It says there "may be some" in hospitals, which the Director himself says is false. There may have been missiles near it, but that's no excuse for missiles hitting it. The IDF should be better than that. I get it's tech and all, but if you're gonna use missiles in a city, you have no room to miss.
User avatar #274 to #273 - cleverguy ONLINE (07/25/2014) [-]
honestly it's hard for me to keep track of the links you're referring to, but i dont really want to try to prove to you any further that hamas operates in ways that put it's own civilians in danger.

so, for the sake of argument, lets concede that bombing was a mistake and that israel stops bombing.
ok, now what happens? what should israel's next course of action be?
User avatar #305 to #274 - teoberry (07/27/2014) [-]
They're the ones you pmed me

To be honest, I'm not too sure anymore. nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/07/hamas-didnt-kidnap-the-israeli-teens-after-all.html This ***** with the situation a bit because the kidnapping was part of the reason Israel went in. To me, it seems that boots on the ground is the best option. No way Hamas can fight the IDF, and with people on the ground we can tell if a civilian death is accidental, and I think there'll be less of them
User avatar #306 to #305 - cleverguy ONLINE (07/27/2014) [-]
yea i know, but i dont remember the order and stuff

the kidnapping was part of it, but it's also the fact that hamas is firing hundreds of rockets at israel.

guerilla warfare never turns out good and civilian deaths, i feel, will be much more frequent for the same reasons that civilian deaths happen in gaza now: people martyring themselves as well as crowded cities
User avatar #307 to #306 - teoberry (07/30/2014) [-]
**** me it never gives notifications

I know the rockets are the main reason, but this is just shameful

Either way, sadly, civilians are gonna die, but with a ground invasion I feel that since rifles are more accurate than rockets with a much lower potential for collateral, it's better. So we avoid things like this www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28558433
User avatar #308 to #307 - cleverguy ONLINE (07/30/2014) [-]
i think you greatly overestimate how effective a ground invasion could be.
User avatar #309 to #308 - teoberry (07/30/2014) [-]
I'd prefer anything to missiles since Israel is showing no restraint with them.
User avatar #310 to #309 - cleverguy ONLINE (07/30/2014) [-]
how is israel showing no restraint? israel could make gaza a parking lot if it wanted to, but it doesn't. israel could opt not to warn civilians of missile strikes, but it does. israel could break ceasefires after hamas kills soldiers during ceasefires, but it doesn't.

israel has shown nothing but restraint
User avatar #311 to #310 - teoberry (07/31/2014) [-]
Really? They're bombing UN shelters for God's sake. They're shelling markets and coming up with those ****** edited images as proof. (Note: I'm not saying the image itself is edited, but it has those added on labels and markers which obscure whatever's going on, not to mention the fact that they're potato-quality). Good, they're not totally eliminating everyone in Gaza. *************** . They're such role models. The UN shelter told Israel not one, not ten, but 17 times that there were full of displaced victims, yet they still got directly hit. You need to login to view this link How can you even try to justify Israel's actions anymore? I get that they're being attacked, but let's face it, when one out of every 284 civilian deaths is an Israeli, you can't use that excuse anymore. Israel has Iron Dome. Palestine has nothing. www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/world/gaza-counter/
User avatar #312 to #311 - cleverguy ONLINE (08/01/2014) [-]
www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3JpkdF0qCU&feature=youtu.be&app=desktop

you should watch this. you really underestimate how hard israel tries to avoid civilian casualties and how much hamas tries to create them

the thing is, you can't just say "look they bombed UN shelters!" because it was confirmed that hamas was hiding bombs in, not one, but two UN schools in gaza. the fact that they were shelters does not mean that they were not being used by hamas and that the civilians were not warned to evacuate.

Also, this is not a game and civilian deaths is not a scoreboard. the thing is, no civilian deaths are ok, but you're blaming the wrong people for civilian deaths. israel gives so many warnings, but do you know what hamas does? they say on TV: do not listen to israeli warnings to evacuate, it is psychological warfare, defend your homes with your bodies.
palestinians are told to martyr themselves by hamas.

the fact that you'd use an argument based around "not enough israelis are dying to justify their force" is sickening
User avatar #313 to #312 - teoberry (08/01/2014) [-]
Can you find a transcript? Watching videos isn't exactly a strong suit since I'm more likely to just **** around on my phone

But what about that shelter? AFAIK there's no proof there were any rockets there. You can't just bomb it because other schools had it. That's not right. The UN told Israel not to bomb it. Where would they evacuate to since most of the Gaza Strip is being bombed and there's currently a blockade.

I know that. I'm just saying they can't use Hamas's rockets as an excuse. Also, did you know about the Dahiya Doctrine? That's likely what Israel is using right now, as they did in 2009. Here's a UN report on Israel's military tactics (granted they stopped using white phosphorus) www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/hrcouncil/docs/12session/A-HRC-12-48.pdf

The fact that Israel has something like Dahiya in place and the fact that they trap people in a small tract of land, and blame them when they get hit by shells, is sickening. Also, four seperate news agencies found no proof of Hamas human shields, with Israel actually doing it confirmed by the UN. www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/20/us-palestinian-israel-children-idUSBRE95J0FR20130620 www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israelgaza-conflict-the-myth-of-hamass-human-shield-9619810.html www.newstatesman.com/world-affairs/2014/07/jeremy-bowens-gaza-notebook-i-saw-no-evidence-hamas-using-palestinians-human www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/22/gaza-displaced-palestinians-not-safe
User avatar #314 to #313 - cleverguy ONLINE (08/01/2014) [-]
you should just watch the video

that article you linked was regarding a school that had bombs in it, not a shelter

i don't understand why you think gazans have nowhere to evacuate to? its not like israel is firing nukes at them, they can go a little ways in any direction away from the target and they should be fine. the problem is that, like i said and you seem to have ignored repeatedly, that hamas tells their people to sacrifice their bodies for their cause and to defend their homes with their bodies. they tell them to ignore israeli warnings and to do the opposite of what they say when they tell them to evacuate. all this while hamas leaders hide in underground bunkers. this is what is meant by human shields.
User avatar #315 to #314 - teoberry (08/01/2014) [-]
Alright, I'll get around to it

The one in #311 from the WP? I called it a shelter because at the time, before it was destroyed, that was it's purpose. Do you have any proof that school had bombs in it?

Not when most of Gaza is being bombed at once, not to mention the warnings aren't always enough time Israel Mortar Hitting Roof of Gaza Building To Warn of imminent Israeli Strike , as seen in this where the residents have about a minute from warning to destruction, not to mention the blockade means that they're all but stuck in Gaza, so they go from one place to another hoping that the other place isn't being bombed. And sometimes, Israel just plain doesn't warn them, like when they bombed that police chief's house and the mosque nearby, killing 18 civilians rt.com/news/172380-israel-air-strikes-gaza/
User avatar #316 to #315 - cleverguy ONLINE (08/01/2014) [-]
www.unrwa.org/newsroom/press-releases/unrwa-strongly-condemns-placement-rockets-school

www.jewishpress.com/news/breaking-news/hamas-may-have-fired-rockets-that-hit-unrwa-school-killing-17/2014/07/24/

you do realize that roof knocking is the very last warning and that the people in that building, if there were any, which it looks like there weren't any, were probably given multiple other warnings long before the video was taken.
also, the person filming does not seem to be very far from the building getting bombed, and yet is perfectly safe, as are many others that can be heard in the video who must be close by. so saying they have nowhere to go is a poor argument, because this video is proof that they don't have to go very far.

also that article just says they didn't get a roof knocking warning, and even if you believe that that is true, that is not the only warning that they are given. so saying they were not warned at all is disingenuous
User avatar #271 to #269 - teoberry (07/25/2014) [-]
**** it, gonna post it here and delete later if you want. Plus we have more characters. I'm gonna look at your first link. The very first video shows two guys getting into an ambulance. That's it. There's no other sort of proof that the ambulance was used in an attack or even connected to Hamas or a terror group. The picture after literally just shows a diagram of a neighbourhood, no type of evidence whatsoever. Yes, the third one show Hamas was hiding rockets. In a vacant school. It was next to two other full schools but if they wanted to put their people in the line of fire they would've hid it in there. I don't think it's a "lets put it with civilians so Israel is condemned" type thing, I think it's a "we don't think that Israel will bomb UN targets so it's convenient for us". Not trying to justify it, just saying there's more than one explanation. Don't see anything wrong with dressing up as a soldier, that's tactically smart, actually. Also, see this (electronicintifada.net/blogs/maureen-clare-murphy/photo-gun-toting-israeli-soldier-disguised-palestinian-woman). Re: the women, I don't think a tweet is to be trusted, especially because it could've been a girl with a gun, and people there are less than friendly to reporters (rt.com/usa/173888-cnn-reporter-scum-israel/) Same goes for the next one, it's one report with the no proof. Weren't you the one who was talking about witnesses not being reliable? For the donkeys, the Russians used dogs to do it with tanks. Don't really see the problem. For the house, I see a hole. No other photos. The home owner could've offered up his place. Also, source two is included in this since it talks about the school. Gonna go on your third link real quick.
User avatar #270 to #269 - cleverguy ONLINE (07/25/2014) [-]
yeah it's no problem, the character limits are bringing me down too. im not sure how much more there is to say though
User avatar #272 to #270 - teoberry (07/25/2014) [-]
Agreed, I'm just doing it because I'm bored.
User avatar #268 - cognosceteipsum (07/23/2014) [-]
Hey... say that you and I.... (pm)
User avatar #246 to #245 - cleverguy ONLINE (12/12/2013) [-]
......ok....
User avatar #250 to #249 - cleverguy ONLINE (12/12/2013) [-]
what are you trying to prove here?
User avatar #252 to #251 - cleverguy ONLINE (12/13/2013) [-]
my question was pretty clear. why did you post this?
User avatar #253 to #252 - revengeforfreeze (12/13/2013) [-]
Its not, "what are you trying to prove" nothing just found it funny.
User avatar #254 to #253 - cleverguy ONLINE (12/13/2013) [-]
why?
User avatar #256 to #255 - cleverguy ONLINE (12/13/2013) [-]
you're full of ****
User avatar #257 to #256 - revengeforfreeze (12/13/2013) [-]
I am full of **** ? For posting a funny Link? Sensitive much?
User avatar #258 to #257 - cleverguy ONLINE (12/13/2013) [-]
what do you have against jews?
User avatar #259 to #258 - revengeforfreeze (12/13/2013) [-]
That you are in denial. Not nexessarily all of them but you at least.

Also that They are so rcial supremacist that it hurts
User avatar #260 to #259 - cleverguy ONLINE (12/13/2013) [-]
denial of what?

and pride is very differen from supremacy
User avatar #261 to #260 - revengeforfreeze (12/13/2013) [-]
Hypocrites gonna hypo. First off, its ironic that you call me an idiot while you dont understand that he is being a coward.

Then, the torah is chock full of racial supremacy. Just because you dont understand the differencw between supremacy and Pride doesnt make me an idiot
User avatar #262 to #261 - cleverguy ONLINE (12/13/2013) [-]
that's your incorrect opinion

and you dont have to believe the torah to be jewish
User avatar #263 to #262 - revengeforfreeze (12/13/2013) [-]
Hahaha no. Its your incorrect opinion that hes just doing it for Visual rhetoric or whatever.

Yet so many are racial supremacists. Hmm.
User avatar #264 to #263 - cleverguy ONLINE (12/13/2013) [-]
again, just because you dont understand it...

and it seems like youre the racist one hear.

this will be my last response
User avatar #265 to #264 - cleverguy ONLINE (12/13/2013) [-]
here*
User avatar #228 - thebritishguy (10/15/2013) [-]
Hey man, what do you think about the first cause argument? I'm talking to this physicist about it
User avatar #229 to #228 - cleverguy ONLINE (10/15/2013) [-]
you mean the kalam argument?

i dont think it holds because time didn't exist "before" the universe, so principles of causality dont apply to the origin of the universe because nothing could possibly have come "before" it
User avatar #230 to #229 - thebritishguy (10/15/2013) [-]
yeah I mentioned that. But also because when we see cause and effect we are just seeing things going according to the laws of thermodynamics, matter just changes shape, we don't actually see things coming into existence as such, just changing shape.
Also I don't think it's right to apply laws of our Universe onto the Universe itself.
User avatar #231 to #230 - cleverguy ONLINE (10/15/2013) [-]
exactly, so are you just looking for confirmation? because thats enough in my mind to show that a "first cause" argument doesn't work
User avatar #233 to #231 - thebritishguy (10/15/2013) [-]
I'm just looking for as much material to use because he's a physicist and I'm just a teenager. I've already been wrong about some stuff like I kept going on about how matter can't be created or destroyed when it totally can.
What's weird to me is that Carl Sagan used the argument "what was the cause of God?" but Gods infinite, so then he says "well then the Universe is infinite" but the Universe isn't infinite because of the big bang so it's not a good refutation, is it? Then where did God come from?  (Carl Sagan)
User avatar #244 to #233 - revengeforfreeze (11/09/2013) [-]
I scrolled by quickly and I thought the branch to his left looking behind him and to his right looking at him up front was the neck of a guitar.. lol
User avatar #235 to #233 - cleverguy ONLINE (10/15/2013) [-]
look below. i wrote that before watching the video so i might have repeated some stuff he said unintentionally
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User avatar #234 to #232 - cleverguy ONLINE (10/15/2013) [-]
Theres something in science that separates it from the "God is infinite" argument, it's called refutability. being irrefutable, like most definitions of God, doesn't make it true, in fact it makes it less believable. its how fortune tellers work: they say something like "you will meet someone interesting soon" and that can be twisted and turned to come true no matter what because it is so ambiguous. that's why most people dont believe in fortune tellers, because they know their irrefutable claims are just bunk that's made to seem true.

What was the cause of God is a perfectly valid question, but "God is just infinite" is not a valid answer for a couple reasons. first, it's irrefutable, so it's not an actual explanation, it's an arbitrary definition that just makes things more complicated, but cannot be argued with. it also opens the question of why can't the universe just be infinite, but that's another can of worms of philosophy and stuff.

The reasons that we think the universe did not have a "first cause" are logical and valid, the reasons for thinking it did are arbitrary and fallacious. It's as simple as that. the universe could not have been "caused" because principles of causality do not apply when time doesn't exist. as far as our universe is concerned, it coming into existence was the first event ever in time. in other words, the universe did not need to be "caused" because without laws of physics or time in existence, there is nothing stopping an entire universe from basically just "popping into existence" so to speak.
User avatar #236 to #234 - thebritishguy (10/15/2013) [-]
Ah yes that makes sense, it seems unreasonable but we usually only apply reasons to things which are within time and our Universe.
But the Universe can't be infinite because of the big bang, that makes it finite. Unless we propose the "big bounce theory" but he refuted that.

Like every argument for God though it's just opening a gap and filling it with God, even if the first cause argument is valid the cause could just be an infinite bubble bath where every bubble is a Universe.
User avatar #237 to #236 - cleverguy ONLINE (10/16/2013) [-]
exactly, arbitrary explanations are lazy and solve no actual problems
User avatar #238 to #237 - thebritishguy (10/16/2013) [-]
indeed, but I don't want intellectual masturbation
You say that
//it also opens the question of why can't the universe just be infinite, but that's another can of worms of philosophy and stuff.//
But how can the Universe be infinite? the big bang makes it finite
User avatar #239 to #238 - cleverguy ONLINE (10/16/2013) [-]
because time has only existed along with our universe, so nothing came "before" it and nothing will come "after" it. who's to say what conditions exist when time doesn't. you can't even describe the scenario without using time related words. the way i see it, literally anything could happen without laws of physics and time, but regarding an infinite universe, as far as time is concerned, the universe has "always" existed.
User avatar #240 to #239 - thebritishguy (10/16/2013) [-]
Yeah the Universe has always existed, but it is still not eternal because it did...start. It's hard to talk about it without giving false implications. We have other evidence as well, we know that the Universe is going to keep expanding and supposedly end, if it was eternal it could not end either.
I'm a bit confused about this, it seems you are talking about a state with no laws of physics or time but when is this supposed to be? are you referring to the singularity or some kind of string theory?
User avatar #241 to #240 - cleverguy ONLINE (10/17/2013) [-]
that also depends what you mean by end too. will the universe cease to exist? or will everything in the universe eventual just become pure heat energy forever and ever?

also that state is the state of nothingness. it is impossible to fathom because even empty space is something. it has nothing to do with anything in the universe. my view is that a state of nothingness has infinite potential, and the universe started out of that nothingness on its own
User avatar #242 to #241 - thebritishguy (10/17/2013) [-]
There's no point talking about absolutely nothing, it didn't exist. Absolutely nothing is just non existence.

There are different theories about the Universes funeral:
big crunch: the Universe will collapse into a little ball and maybe bang again
big freeze: it will keep expanding and we will freeze until it expands into almost absolute zero
big rip: the Universe goes into an exponential expansion and expands so rapidly that the distant galaxies will never be seen, the night sky will be black except for a few nearby stars.

We have to look at dark matter to find out what the rate of expansion is.
User avatar #243 to #242 - cleverguy ONLINE (10/17/2013) [-]
none of those mean it will stop existing, so in that sense, the universe is functionally eternal.
User avatar #226 - nippuhl (07/12/2013) [-]
Hi Dylan
User avatar #227 to #226 - cleverguy ONLINE (07/12/2013) [-]
my name isn't dylan
#199 - shockofgod (06/13/2013) [-]
hey bro. just wanna let u know i'm still prayin for you dawg. it's not too late to turn to Jesus my friend. he will forgive ur stubbornness
User avatar #200 to #199 - cleverguy ONLINE (06/13/2013) [-]
you're nuts
#201 to #200 - shockofgod (06/13/2013) [-]
He'll even forgive u for saying that!
User avatar #202 to #201 - cleverguy ONLINE (06/13/2013) [-]
in what way could you possibly think the things you've said to me could possibly have convinced me to listen to you now, let alone convert
#203 to #202 - shockofgod (06/13/2013) [-]
at least i'm trying. it's my duty cus God has commanded it
User avatar #204 to #203 - cleverguy ONLINE (06/13/2013) [-]
"you're like boderline retarded."
-shockofgod

yeah i can tell you're trying so hard. **** off, idiot, go rant about atheists on youtube some more and leave me alone
#205 to #204 - shockofgod (06/13/2013) [-]
i am trying hard man. but i am fallible like everyone else.
User avatar #206 to #205 - cleverguy ONLINE (06/13/2013) [-]
go bother someone else, you wont convert me because there is no way you could get me to believe what you believe
#207 to #206 - shockofgod (06/13/2013) [-]
you say that now. but maybe later on when ur less rebellious u will accept the truth
User avatar #208 to #207 - cleverguy ONLINE (06/13/2013) [-]
no, i will never be christian, i guarantee you.
#209 to #208 - shockofgod (06/13/2013) [-]
that rebellious attitude wont last!! u will be saved
User avatar #210 to #209 - cleverguy ONLINE (06/13/2013) [-]
im not being rebellious, you just cannot convince me that what you believe is the truth because it is not the truth.
User avatar #266 to #210 - revengeforfreeze (01/06/2014) [-]
that's quite a bold statement there friend

how do you know that christianity isn't the "truth"
#211 to #210 - shockofgod (06/13/2013) [-]
it is the truth, i guarantee it! and i guarantee that u come to terms with the truth and embrace it. i have high hopes for you mate
User avatar #212 to #211 - cleverguy ONLINE (06/13/2013) [-]
your guarantee means absolutely nothing to me because you are a ******* moron.

seriously, why are you bugging me?
#213 to #212 - shockofgod (06/13/2013) [-]
cus i wanna save you. don't want u going to hell its not a fun place to be
User avatar #214 to #213 - cleverguy ONLINE (06/13/2013) [-]
you're not very convincing
#215 to #214 - shockofgod (06/13/2013) [-]
i don't want other people to ruin their lives and suffer
User avatar #216 to #215 - cleverguy ONLINE (06/13/2013) [-]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_emotion

this isn't going to convince me. did you look at a list of fallacies and think you would try to use every single one to try and convince people to be christian? because thats what it seems like.
#217 to #216 - shockofgod (06/13/2013) [-]
i dont think the truth can be a fallacy mate
User avatar #226 to #217 - cleverguy ONLINE (06/13/2013) [-]
maybe you can think of some more convincing preaching tomorrow
User avatar #224 to #217 - cleverguy ONLINE (06/13/2013) [-]
so what you're saying is that people who want to feel something magically feel something and those that dont care dont feel anything? sounds a lot like the placebo effect to me.

that still doesn't prove anything by the way. are you through yet?
#225 to #224 - shockofgod (06/13/2013) [-]
if you don't ask he's not answer.... i'm login out and goin to bed mate. gn
User avatar #222 to #217 - cleverguy ONLINE (06/13/2013) [-]
how in the world would that be in my control? and how would that prove christianity?
#223 to #222 - shockofgod (06/13/2013) [-]
its in ur control cus all u hav to do is ask
User avatar #220 to #217 - cleverguy ONLINE (06/13/2013) [-]
just because you say its true doesn't mean its true. give me one good reason why its true that isn't circular reasoning and i might reconsider
#221 to #220 - shockofgod (06/13/2013) [-]
u have to experience God for yourself
User avatar #218 to #217 - cleverguy ONLINE (06/13/2013) [-]
if its not relevant to the actual argument, then yes, the truth can be fallacious.for example, your feelings regarding your duty to God and converting people does not make your beliefs seems any more true to other people. i already know why christians want to convert people, that doesn't make me believe in christianity. i wasn't asking you why you want to convert people, im asking you why are you picking on me specifically?
#219 to #218 - shockofgod (06/13/2013) [-]
i dont think you understand dude. my beliefs are true for everyone. they are absolutely and objectively true and you have supressed the truth in sin
User avatar #197 - khl (06/11/2013) [-]
are you selling the omelette du fromage item ?
User avatar #198 to #197 - cleverguy ONLINE (06/12/2013) [-]
i was never selling it
#177 - suckmyasssketche (04/18/2013) [-]
no hard feelins rite?
User avatar #178 to #177 - cleverguy ONLINE (04/18/2013) [-]
what are you talking about?
#179 to #178 - suckmyasssketche (04/18/2013) [-]
no hard feelings, right?
User avatar #180 to #179 - cleverguy ONLINE (04/18/2013) [-]
well no, you kinda said that you hate me because of my religion and talk down to me,so im not going to acknowledge you
#181 to #180 - suckmyasssketche (04/18/2013) [-]
are u ethnically Jewish or is it just your religion?
User avatar #182 to #181 - cleverguy ONLINE (04/18/2013) [-]
both
#183 to #182 - suckmyasssketche (04/18/2013) [-]
oh...

well i dont hate all jews
User avatar #184 to #183 - cleverguy ONLINE (04/18/2013) [-]
yeah.......go away
#171 - Womens Study Major (04/07/2013) [-]
what an ugly ass profile pic
User avatar #172 to #171 - cleverguy ONLINE (04/07/2013) [-]
sorry you dont like it
#173 to #172 - Womens Study Major (04/07/2013) [-]
i hate it. it makes me angry because its so ugly
User avatar #174 to #173 - cleverguy ONLINE (04/07/2013) [-]
sorry buddy
User avatar #162 - jingleforth (03/18/2013) [-]
How much will college cost you?
User avatar #163 to #162 - cleverguy ONLINE (03/19/2013) [-]
depends where i go, probably a lot if i dont get scholarship opportunities
User avatar #164 to #163 - jingleforth (03/19/2013) [-]
My school's paying for my college. All of it, would you say that's a good deal? or is it common place..
User avatar #165 to #164 - cleverguy ONLINE (03/19/2013) [-]
its an amazing deal!

what school?
User avatar #166 to #165 - jingleforth (03/19/2013) [-]
Some sort of home-school esque thing. I can pretty much go to any college I want in my state for free. Which I guess is good...?

User avatar #167 to #166 - cleverguy ONLINE (03/19/2013) [-]
yes, very good, lucky you
User avatar #168 to #167 - jingleforth (03/19/2013) [-]
idk, i never thought it was that special.

How much do colleges usually cost?
User avatar #169 to #168 - cleverguy ONLINE (03/19/2013) [-]
about 15000 a year
User avatar #170 to #169 - cleverguy ONLINE (03/19/2013) [-]
but thats an average, some cost 40000 per year or more
User avatar #154 - tredbear (03/17/2013) [-]
you are going to love the warden
User avatar #149 - MotherFuckingTobi (03/05/2013) [-]
i have 7 or 8 pride souls. plus a few of every other kind. i'm looking for chests and keys.
User avatar #150 to #149 - cleverguy ONLINE (03/05/2013) [-]
sorry man, some pride souls dropped, i just needed them to hatch a dragon egg, but feel free to offer a trade. i dont really want souls though
User avatar #151 to #150 - MotherFuckingTobi (03/05/2013) [-]
look at my profile for things you want.
User avatar #152 to #151 - cleverguy ONLINE (03/05/2013) [-]
ill be honest, i dont really want anything, sorry, man
User avatar #153 to #152 - MotherFuckingTobi (03/05/2013) [-]
its alright. i'm new to the game so i don't have much.
User avatar #143 - sexymossantamby (03/05/2013) [-]
selling toilet or insanity souls?
User avatar #144 to #143 - cleverguy ONLINE (03/05/2013) [-]
not selling toilet, but maybe insanity souls, what for?
User avatar #145 to #144 - sexymossantamby (03/05/2013) [-]
watcah want?
User avatar #146 to #145 - cleverguy ONLINE (03/05/2013) [-]
two frank recombination pages and telling me how to make kristen stewart XD
User avatar #147 to #146 - sexymossantamby (03/05/2013) [-]
sadly kristen is a d/c drop and i can part with that :)
User avatar #148 to #147 - cleverguy ONLINE (03/05/2013) [-]
oh ok, that's fine. i just wanted to know where all those kinds of items came from. i thought you could craft them since they are conglomerations of other items. thanks for the info :)
User avatar #138 - thebritishguy (01/31/2013) [-]
www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSQSx3OCrXQ&list=FLPhvIE8RPEMvEixybWo4W-A&index=1 here is the science of homosexuality
also remember it is not a lifestyle choice as animals are gay and that's retarded anyway
User avatar #139 to #138 - cleverguy ONLINE (01/31/2013) [-]
interesting, thanks for the video
#140 to #139 - thebritishguy (01/31/2013) [-]
no problem, I am happy you stand up for people like me ( :
no problem, I am happy you stand up for people like me ( :
User avatar #142 to #140 - cleverguy ONLINE (01/31/2013) [-]
any time, man
User avatar #134 - HAwAII (12/02/2012) [-]
You can get a potato or two. Lol just kidding, are you looking for anything in particular?
User avatar #135 to #134 - cleverguy ONLINE (12/02/2012) [-]
lol not necessarily, just stuff i dont have, but i dont want to get rid of all my mystery boxes, i wanna leave at least one or two of each type i have
User avatar #136 to #135 - HAwAII (12/02/2012) [-]
I understand that, placeholder and everything. I'll offer you, and if you're uncertain, you can post it on the board and get opinions.
User avatar #137 to #136 - cleverguy ONLINE (12/02/2012) [-]
sounds good to me
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