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|#85601 - -God is a maximally great being (if God was not maximally grea…||08/22/2014 on Religion Board||+1|
|#85519 - dawkins says a lot of stupid-non pc **** , but he'…||08/21/2014 on Religion Board||0|
|#85509 - i don't care about correct readings, you are ignoring what im …||08/21/2014 on Religion Board||0|
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#85418 - Cambro (08/20/2014) [-]
No, we're actually getting somewhere now. The Bible can be errant, but there are a laundry list of ways to check its message and symbols because they're so consistent throughout most of the Bible. There are things like biblical hermeneutics that help us read the Bible better, deciphering what is God and what is mankind's rendition of things. Furthermore we have a thing called the Christ Hermeneutic, which takes Christ (easily the most factual basis we have for anything in the Bible) and we can read and interpret the rest of the Bible through the lens of Christ, who actually is the Word of God, the full revelation of God.
Simply because the Bible can be wrong does not mean it has to be doubted 100% and in every instance. There are plenty of tools to verify and come up with correct readings. If you want to read more about people who have these types of views, you should look up Eric Seibert and the books he has written.
|#85330 - im not sure if any of that actually confirms anything and im n… [+] (1 new reply)||08/19/2014 on Religion Board||0|
#85334 - Cambro (08/19/2014) [-]
Its not other discussions, its important to this discussion because you just made another positivist assertion--that moral intuition has no more claim to truth than taste does. It seems you're using a positivist framework to find what matters. This is interesting, because holding the positivist views would have you reject Kant, but you've been fairly Kantian before. Its important because we may not be even on the same framework on which we judge things.
There is accuracy between manuscripts and copies. This is very well documented. You can research that for yourself if you want. The finding of the Dead Sea Scrolls was huge for this because it was ancient manuscripts that we know weren't doctored that still connect to 97% accuracy to the manuscripts we have today. This means that over time there hasn't been a corrupting in the manuscript or copying in the manuscripts and nothing has been added by anyone (like the Catholics like some conspiracy theorists wanted to insist) either to fulfill prophecy or to fit prophecy to Jesus. There is great accuracy in these texts.
And if you want to know the accuracy of the Gospel accounts themselves (judging each as 1--all the copies of Luke, for example, as one sample size) the accuracy actually increases. There is also a huge amount more of copies of the Gospel so its even easier to check for accuracy because of the large sample size.
We aren't talking about one book, but a series of books with a central message. If a bunch of fiction books held a central message, we could probably take that central message to be truth--that say, racism is wrong. I don't see any issue with that. We can hold the Bible is a moral guide in the same way.
I don't have much space left here, do I really need to explain to you why something like taste is wildly dissimilar to moral intuition?
|#85325 - but why would you hold something as the truth when it can be e… [+] (1 new reply)||08/19/2014 on Religion Board||0|
#85328 - Cambro (08/19/2014) [-]
There are plenty of ways to check. I had already mentioned accuracy between manuscripts and copies of manuscripts of specific books, I have already mentioned moral intuitions, and then there are the strong literary connections and symbols that work between books written hundreds of years apart from each other, some times in different languages, which gives a strong indicator of some central message uniting all the books even if each book has its own author and thus should be judged on its own merits.
And as a side question because we seem to be going down in this direction: You seem to be holding a positivist view here. That view being something must be factual and to be verified as factual to be valued. Would you agree with that?