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#145481 - youre ******* me up, fam  [+] (1 new reply) 08/10/2016 on Religion Board 0
#145485 - anon (08/10/2016) [-]
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#123714 - i find strategic voting and encouraging strategic voting to be…  [+] (2 new replies) 08/04/2016 on Politics - politics news,... 0
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#123741 - pebar (08/05/2016) [-]
I just signed a petition to get the green party on the ballot in my state

because I want them to spoil hillary
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#123716 - valeriya (08/04/2016) [-]
The US and UK have a first past the post system which encourages strategic/tactical voting. Voting can be in a sense considered damage control for those belonging to third parties, they are still casting their opinion it just weakens the mandate of the elected representative since it's less "These 51% all voted for me as their first choice" It becomes "These 51% didn't hate me."
#123713 - i'd better look into America's green party more to see if they… 08/04/2016 on Politics - politics news,... 0
#123648 - what is your experience? i don't know any examples that have h…  [+] (2 new replies) 08/03/2016 on Politics - politics news,... 0
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#123667 - lotengo (08/04/2016) [-]
GreenLeft in the Netherlands doesn't hold office but their party is batshit insane.
Several of their ringleaders have grim backgrounds
One was in a Palestinian terror camp in Jemen
One was a member of the Group Marxist-Leninists for 6 years.
One was involved with a violent squatter movement and some say terror organisation RaRa.
One tried to ban a book.
One commited fraud.
One has demonstrated with, not against Hamas and Hezbollah supporters.
One has suppported an Iranian terror organisation and has falsified 150 apply's for assylum, a number of them to support said terror organisation.
On the day that Pim Fortuyn got killed a GreenLeft city councilor, informed a friend of the killer about his (the killer's) arres, and the friend was able to clear the killers computer.
Two have one before she worked with the party, but with GreenPeace tossed rocks into the ocean to destroy fishers nets.
A key figure of their youth department was forced to resign for freeing minks and setting trucks on fire acts that he thinks are justified .

And quite recently, when the PVV proposed a law that would stop the Netherlands from acknowledging child marriages from abroad we saw an influx of those with the migrant crisis , they voted against.

They pretty much want to completely disarm Israel and let the savages in that region destroy the country.

Their voterbase looks like the bernie voter base, young, idealistic and no idea what the world is about. Most of em got their heads so far up their ass they could bite their own tonsils
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#123713 - cleverguy (08/04/2016) [-]
i'd better look into America's green party more to see if they've supported terrorists like that, there's no way i could support that
#123573 - you gotta take everything with a grain of salt. a lot of the c…  [+] (4 new replies) 08/02/2016 on Politics - politics news,... 0
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#123574 - lotengo (08/02/2016) [-]
From my experience greens are the dumbest people in politics.
Idealistic children that wan't to protect nature, make it so that every pig or cow thats being raised for meat has a 2 bedroom appartment. And at the same time they are in favor of migration from 3rd world countries.
Sure, lets tripple the price of meat, increase taxes and not make new houses and industry, while inviting boatloads of people, its gonna be great
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#123648 - cleverguy (08/03/2016) [-]
what is your experience? i don't know any examples that have held office
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#123667 - lotengo (08/04/2016) [-]
GreenLeft in the Netherlands doesn't hold office but their party is batshit insane.
Several of their ringleaders have grim backgrounds
One was in a Palestinian terror camp in Jemen
One was a member of the Group Marxist-Leninists for 6 years.
One was involved with a violent squatter movement and some say terror organisation RaRa.
One tried to ban a book.
One commited fraud.
One has demonstrated with, not against Hamas and Hezbollah supporters.
One has suppported an Iranian terror organisation and has falsified 150 apply's for assylum, a number of them to support said terror organisation.
On the day that Pim Fortuyn got killed a GreenLeft city councilor, informed a friend of the killer about his (the killer's) arres, and the friend was able to clear the killers computer.
Two have one before she worked with the party, but with GreenPeace tossed rocks into the ocean to destroy fishers nets.
A key figure of their youth department was forced to resign for freeing minks and setting trucks on fire acts that he thinks are justified .

And quite recently, when the PVV proposed a law that would stop the Netherlands from acknowledging child marriages from abroad we saw an influx of those with the migrant crisis , they voted against.

They pretty much want to completely disarm Israel and let the savages in that region destroy the country.

Their voterbase looks like the bernie voter base, young, idealistic and no idea what the world is about. Most of em got their heads so far up their ass they could bite their own tonsils
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#123713 - cleverguy (08/04/2016) [-]
i'd better look into America's green party more to see if they've supported terrorists like that, there's no way i could support that
#123570 - well we could stand to cut from military a bit  [+] (6 new replies) 08/02/2016 on Politics - politics news,... 0
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#123571 - lotengo (08/02/2016) [-]
taken directly from her website
cut military spending by at least 50%

more than a bit if you ask me, and it would also mean that a whole lot of people will lose their jobs.
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#123573 - cleverguy (08/02/2016) [-]
you gotta take everything with a grain of salt. a lot of the claims will be exaggerated, but cutting military spending and investing in clean energy to create jobs in general is something i can get behind
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#123574 - lotengo (08/02/2016) [-]
From my experience greens are the dumbest people in politics.
Idealistic children that wan't to protect nature, make it so that every pig or cow thats being raised for meat has a 2 bedroom appartment. And at the same time they are in favor of migration from 3rd world countries.
Sure, lets tripple the price of meat, increase taxes and not make new houses and industry, while inviting boatloads of people, its gonna be great
User avatar
#123648 - cleverguy (08/03/2016) [-]
what is your experience? i don't know any examples that have held office
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#123667 - lotengo (08/04/2016) [-]
GreenLeft in the Netherlands doesn't hold office but their party is batshit insane.
Several of their ringleaders have grim backgrounds
One was in a Palestinian terror camp in Jemen
One was a member of the Group Marxist-Leninists for 6 years.
One was involved with a violent squatter movement and some say terror organisation RaRa.
One tried to ban a book.
One commited fraud.
One has demonstrated with, not against Hamas and Hezbollah supporters.
One has suppported an Iranian terror organisation and has falsified 150 apply's for assylum, a number of them to support said terror organisation.
On the day that Pim Fortuyn got killed a GreenLeft city councilor, informed a friend of the killer about his (the killer's) arres, and the friend was able to clear the killers computer.
Two have one before she worked with the party, but with GreenPeace tossed rocks into the ocean to destroy fishers nets.
A key figure of their youth department was forced to resign for freeing minks and setting trucks on fire acts that he thinks are justified .

And quite recently, when the PVV proposed a law that would stop the Netherlands from acknowledging child marriages from abroad we saw an influx of those with the migrant crisis , they voted against.

They pretty much want to completely disarm Israel and let the savages in that region destroy the country.

Their voterbase looks like the bernie voter base, young, idealistic and no idea what the world is about. Most of em got their heads so far up their ass they could bite their own tonsils
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#123713 - cleverguy (08/04/2016) [-]
i'd better look into America's green party more to see if they've supported terrorists like that, there's no way i could support that
#123529 - either way, she wouldnt be president for the whole process, so…  [+] (8 new replies) 08/02/2016 on Politics - politics news,... 0
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#123531 - lotengo (08/02/2016) [-]
Imagine some presidential candidate stating we gonna put a mars colony by 2030.
That means research and development budget for NASA would be raised by 150.000%

If you wan't to have enough money to go green by 2030 you would have to increase taxes by a lot or completely cut other things like cancer funds, infrastructure and/or military.

Going green by 2030 is like saying India is going to be a superpower by 2030
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#123570 - cleverguy (08/02/2016) [-]
well we could stand to cut from military a bit
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#123571 - lotengo (08/02/2016) [-]
taken directly from her website
cut military spending by at least 50%

more than a bit if you ask me, and it would also mean that a whole lot of people will lose their jobs.
User avatar
#123573 - cleverguy (08/02/2016) [-]
you gotta take everything with a grain of salt. a lot of the claims will be exaggerated, but cutting military spending and investing in clean energy to create jobs in general is something i can get behind
User avatar
#123574 - lotengo (08/02/2016) [-]
From my experience greens are the dumbest people in politics.
Idealistic children that wan't to protect nature, make it so that every pig or cow thats being raised for meat has a 2 bedroom appartment. And at the same time they are in favor of migration from 3rd world countries.
Sure, lets tripple the price of meat, increase taxes and not make new houses and industry, while inviting boatloads of people, its gonna be great
User avatar
#123648 - cleverguy (08/03/2016) [-]
what is your experience? i don't know any examples that have held office
User avatar
#123667 - lotengo (08/04/2016) [-]
GreenLeft in the Netherlands doesn't hold office but their party is batshit insane.
Several of their ringleaders have grim backgrounds
One was in a Palestinian terror camp in Jemen
One was a member of the Group Marxist-Leninists for 6 years.
One was involved with a violent squatter movement and some say terror organisation RaRa.
One tried to ban a book.
One commited fraud.
One has demonstrated with, not against Hamas and Hezbollah supporters.
One has suppported an Iranian terror organisation and has falsified 150 apply's for assylum, a number of them to support said terror organisation.
On the day that Pim Fortuyn got killed a GreenLeft city councilor, informed a friend of the killer about his (the killer's) arres, and the friend was able to clear the killers computer.
Two have one before she worked with the party, but with GreenPeace tossed rocks into the ocean to destroy fishers nets.
A key figure of their youth department was forced to resign for freeing minks and setting trucks on fire acts that he thinks are justified .

And quite recently, when the PVV proposed a law that would stop the Netherlands from acknowledging child marriages from abroad we saw an influx of those with the migrant crisis , they voted against.

They pretty much want to completely disarm Israel and let the savages in that region destroy the country.

Their voterbase looks like the bernie voter base, young, idealistic and no idea what the world is about. Most of em got their heads so far up their ass they could bite their own tonsils
User avatar
#123713 - cleverguy (08/04/2016) [-]
i'd better look into America's green party more to see if they've supported terrorists like that, there's no way i could support that
#123477 - in her defense, she says 100% clean energy by 2030, so she mus…  [+] (10 new replies) 08/01/2016 on Politics - politics news,... 0
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#123479 - lotengo (08/01/2016) [-]
2030 is way to soon, the transition is way to big to be made in less than 15 years.
Its possible, but the US would have to put so many hours and resources into it that the country would be on a complete breakdown.

Its like we going to make an exact full sized replica of Rome, and we are going to do it in 2 years. Its possible, but you have to take every constructionworker from Europe and the US and have them work 7 days per week to get it done.
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#123529 - cleverguy (08/02/2016) [-]
either way, she wouldnt be president for the whole process, so is there harm in using that goal to generate jobs and get the ball rolling?
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#123531 - lotengo (08/02/2016) [-]
Imagine some presidential candidate stating we gonna put a mars colony by 2030.
That means research and development budget for NASA would be raised by 150.000%

If you wan't to have enough money to go green by 2030 you would have to increase taxes by a lot or completely cut other things like cancer funds, infrastructure and/or military.

Going green by 2030 is like saying India is going to be a superpower by 2030
User avatar
#123570 - cleverguy (08/02/2016) [-]
well we could stand to cut from military a bit
User avatar
#123571 - lotengo (08/02/2016) [-]
taken directly from her website
cut military spending by at least 50%

more than a bit if you ask me, and it would also mean that a whole lot of people will lose their jobs.
User avatar
#123573 - cleverguy (08/02/2016) [-]
you gotta take everything with a grain of salt. a lot of the claims will be exaggerated, but cutting military spending and investing in clean energy to create jobs in general is something i can get behind
User avatar
#123574 - lotengo (08/02/2016) [-]
From my experience greens are the dumbest people in politics.
Idealistic children that wan't to protect nature, make it so that every pig or cow thats being raised for meat has a 2 bedroom appartment. And at the same time they are in favor of migration from 3rd world countries.
Sure, lets tripple the price of meat, increase taxes and not make new houses and industry, while inviting boatloads of people, its gonna be great
User avatar
#123648 - cleverguy (08/03/2016) [-]
what is your experience? i don't know any examples that have held office
User avatar
#123667 - lotengo (08/04/2016) [-]
GreenLeft in the Netherlands doesn't hold office but their party is batshit insane.
Several of their ringleaders have grim backgrounds
One was in a Palestinian terror camp in Jemen
One was a member of the Group Marxist-Leninists for 6 years.
One was involved with a violent squatter movement and some say terror organisation RaRa.
One tried to ban a book.
One commited fraud.
One has demonstrated with, not against Hamas and Hezbollah supporters.
One has suppported an Iranian terror organisation and has falsified 150 apply's for assylum, a number of them to support said terror organisation.
On the day that Pim Fortuyn got killed a GreenLeft city councilor, informed a friend of the killer about his (the killer's) arres, and the friend was able to clear the killers computer.
Two have one before she worked with the party, but with GreenPeace tossed rocks into the ocean to destroy fishers nets.
A key figure of their youth department was forced to resign for freeing minks and setting trucks on fire acts that he thinks are justified .

And quite recently, when the PVV proposed a law that would stop the Netherlands from acknowledging child marriages from abroad we saw an influx of those with the migrant crisis , they voted against.

They pretty much want to completely disarm Israel and let the savages in that region destroy the country.

Their voterbase looks like the bernie voter base, young, idealistic and no idea what the world is about. Most of em got their heads so far up their ass they could bite their own tonsils
User avatar
#123713 - cleverguy (08/04/2016) [-]
i'd better look into America's green party more to see if they've supported terrorists like that, there's no way i could support that
#123331 - yeah, i read it, im interested in other people's opinions of it  [+] (17 new replies) 07/31/2016 on Politics - politics news,... 0
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#123332 - lotengo (07/31/2016) [-]
Not a fan, it seems way to idealistic.
>Create millions of jobs by transitioning to 100% clean renewable energy by 2030, and investing in public transit, sustainable agriculture, and conservation.
Not claiming to be an expert, but I did study several forms of clean renewable energy for 6 months. And I can tell you this would completely destroy the economy.
There simply are not enough waterfalls to make hydropower a key factor, solar power at this point in time isn't developed enough and has a to low rate of return and windmills break down a lot.
Not evn talking about the fact we don't have a replacement for cars that run on fossil fuel. No electric cars aren't there yet, not for a long time. An electric car is only an option for people who can afford a new car every 5 years, because after the battery starts failing the car is sorta useless, replacing a car battery for an electric car is very expensive.

>Abolish student debt to free a generation of Americans from debt servitude. Guarantee tuition-free, world-class public education from pre-school through university. End high stakes testing and public school privatization.
So you just want to add all the student debt to the governments debt?
A get out of debt free card for everybody is nice for those in debt, but its a huge kick in the nuts for everybody that repaid their debts or chose not to go to college because of the costs.
Also, economists have already proven time after time how Bernie would never be able to pull this off, why would she?

>Set a $15/hour federal minimum wage.
Again, Bernie

>Expand women’s rights, protect LGBTQIA+ people from discrimination, defend indigenous rights and lands, and create a welcoming path to citizenship for immigrants.
Womy already have all the rights...she put, not only a Q but a Q an I and an A to LGBT, I have no idea what the I and A stand for. But I do know its a strike away from trigendered-pyrofoxkins...look at the welcoming path Merkel has paved and how that is working out.

>Lead on a global treaty to halt climate change. End destructive energy extraction: fracking, tar sands, offshore drilling, oil trains, mountaintop removal, and uranium mines
Again, this will destroy the economy. And the USA isn't able to halt climate change as long as China opens a new coal plant every week.

> Label GMOs, and put a moratorium on GMOs and pesticides until they are proven safe. Protect the rights of future generations.
GMO's are not bad for anybody's health, its not like we have glow in the dark alien plants, it sounds scary to dumb people but GMO's simply increase the yield of crops. Without them you would get less food from the same ammount of land.

>End police brutality and mass incarceration. Create a Truth and Reconciliation Commission to understand and eliminate the legacy of slavery that lives on as pervasive racism in the economy, education, housing and health.
She's a hardcore BLM activist
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#123477 - cleverguy (08/01/2016) [-]
in her defense, she says 100% clean energy by 2030, so she must recognize that most of the technology is not there yet, but she wants to speed up the process and thats where the job genesis would come from. people on the government teat would instead be helping move the nation toward the clean energy goal or something, idk its pretty vague

also, if its not viable, it wont happen, i wouldnt vote just to bank on a free tuition pipe dream, if its not gonna happen with her, it wont happen with anyone else either, so whats the point of worrying about that? im not really expecting the president to be a professional economist

its not like she made up the QIA stuff, its been around for a while

also i agree with you about GMOs but she did qualify it with "until proven safe" so it shouldnt be too difficult to get around that if it is even put into law at all
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#123479 - lotengo (08/01/2016) [-]
2030 is way to soon, the transition is way to big to be made in less than 15 years.
Its possible, but the US would have to put so many hours and resources into it that the country would be on a complete breakdown.

Its like we going to make an exact full sized replica of Rome, and we are going to do it in 2 years. Its possible, but you have to take every constructionworker from Europe and the US and have them work 7 days per week to get it done.
User avatar
#123529 - cleverguy (08/02/2016) [-]
either way, she wouldnt be president for the whole process, so is there harm in using that goal to generate jobs and get the ball rolling?
User avatar
#123531 - lotengo (08/02/2016) [-]
Imagine some presidential candidate stating we gonna put a mars colony by 2030.
That means research and development budget for NASA would be raised by 150.000%

If you wan't to have enough money to go green by 2030 you would have to increase taxes by a lot or completely cut other things like cancer funds, infrastructure and/or military.

Going green by 2030 is like saying India is going to be a superpower by 2030
User avatar
#123570 - cleverguy (08/02/2016) [-]
well we could stand to cut from military a bit
User avatar
#123571 - lotengo (08/02/2016) [-]
taken directly from her website
cut military spending by at least 50%

more than a bit if you ask me, and it would also mean that a whole lot of people will lose their jobs.
User avatar
#123573 - cleverguy (08/02/2016) [-]
you gotta take everything with a grain of salt. a lot of the claims will be exaggerated, but cutting military spending and investing in clean energy to create jobs in general is something i can get behind
User avatar
#123574 - lotengo (08/02/2016) [-]
From my experience greens are the dumbest people in politics.
Idealistic children that wan't to protect nature, make it so that every pig or cow thats being raised for meat has a 2 bedroom appartment. And at the same time they are in favor of migration from 3rd world countries.
Sure, lets tripple the price of meat, increase taxes and not make new houses and industry, while inviting boatloads of people, its gonna be great
User avatar
#123648 - cleverguy (08/03/2016) [-]
what is your experience? i don't know any examples that have held office
User avatar
#123667 - lotengo (08/04/2016) [-]
GreenLeft in the Netherlands doesn't hold office but their party is batshit insane.
Several of their ringleaders have grim backgrounds
One was in a Palestinian terror camp in Jemen
One was a member of the Group Marxist-Leninists for 6 years.
One was involved with a violent squatter movement and some say terror organisation RaRa.
One tried to ban a book.
One commited fraud.
One has demonstrated with, not against Hamas and Hezbollah supporters.
One has suppported an Iranian terror organisation and has falsified 150 apply's for assylum, a number of them to support said terror organisation.
On the day that Pim Fortuyn got killed a GreenLeft city councilor, informed a friend of the killer about his (the killer's) arres, and the friend was able to clear the killers computer.
Two have one before she worked with the party, but with GreenPeace tossed rocks into the ocean to destroy fishers nets.
A key figure of their youth department was forced to resign for freeing minks and setting trucks on fire acts that he thinks are justified .

And quite recently, when the PVV proposed a law that would stop the Netherlands from acknowledging child marriages from abroad we saw an influx of those with the migrant crisis , they voted against.

They pretty much want to completely disarm Israel and let the savages in that region destroy the country.

Their voterbase looks like the bernie voter base, young, idealistic and no idea what the world is about. Most of em got their heads so far up their ass they could bite their own tonsils
User avatar
#123713 - cleverguy (08/04/2016) [-]
i'd better look into America's green party more to see if they've supported terrorists like that, there's no way i could support that
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#123395 - akkere (07/31/2016) [-]
>An electric car is only an option for people who can afford a new car every 5 years.
Electric cars don't have the same maintainence requirements as an Internal Combustion Engine car. Much of the maintainence that's present in an Internal Combustion vehicle is absent in an electric one; all of the corrosion that's present due to emissions with fluids and gas is completely taken out of the equation.
www.torquenews.com/1083/myth-busted-electric-vehicles-cost-more-maintain-gas-cars-do
www.nerdwallet.com/blog/loans/electric-hybrid-gas-how-they-compare-costs-2015/

The Nissan Leaf alone has made great strides in delivering an affordable electric that's also reliable; anyone that says electric cars aren't reaching ignorantly believes Tesla is the only electric in the business. Even if you factor out the federal tax credit offered for the vehicles, you still maintenance costs much, much lower from Electric than you do internal combustion. The notion that electric cars are the equivalent of buying a car every 5 years is entirely wrong and will continue to be such when more developments spring up very soon.
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#123482 - lotengo (08/01/2016) [-]
>Nissan Leaf.

Nice that you use that example.
Start watching from 10:55 in
vimeo.com/27535208
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#123497 - akkere (08/02/2016) [-]
>Top Gear
I waiting for you to post this, because I knew this was a common facilitator of the meme.
insideevs.com/idaho-national-laboratory-dc-quick-charging-nissan-leaf-doesnt-kill-battery/
It's been debunked. Surprisingly enough, Top Gear didn't have much knowledge on anything outside of the ICE engine. This isn't even factoring the fact that the batteries can be retrofitted to be improved to beyond the standard that supercedes the flawed observations Top Gear makes before.
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#123572 - lotengo (08/02/2016) [-]
Still, evn without quick charging it takes a long time to charge and its extremely expensive to replace the battery when it dies after a few years
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#123577 - akkere (08/02/2016) [-]
As I demonstrated in the other comment, no, the cost of maintaince for an electric system is not expensive relative to maintaining an internal combustion system. There's two cost breakdowns in the original two links I showed.
When you replace a system that relies on fluids that gradually corrode everything from sensors to conversion modules, you end up with different costs that are often simpler to predict and even cheaper. Compare the cost of the battery to that of a catalytic converter, or the numerous sensors that can often will go awry and have to be replaced. Compare the cost to just changing and maintaining fluids.
#123329 - i did read her platform and i agree with your first paragraph.… 07/31/2016 on Politics - politics news,... 0