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#310 - how is israel showing no restraint? israel could make gaza a p…  [+] (1 new reply) 20 hours ago on cleverguy's profile 0
User avatar #311 - teoberry (9 hours ago) [-]
Really? They're bombing UN shelters for God's sake. They're shelling markets and coming up with those shitty edited images as proof. (Note: I'm not saying the image itself is edited, but it has those added on labels and markers which obscure whatever's going on, not to mention the fact that they're potato-quality). Good, they're not totally eliminating everyone in Gaza. Hoo-fucking-ray. They're such role models. The UN shelter told Israel not one, not ten, but 17 times that there were full of displaced victims, yet they still got directly hit. economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/world-news/unrwa-commissioner-general-pierre-krahenbuhl-denounces-israel-for-strike-on-gaza-school/articleshow/39302081.cms How can you even try to justify Israel's actions anymore? I get that they're being attacked, but let's face it, when one out of every 284 civilian deaths is an Israeli, you can't use that excuse anymore. Israel has Iron Dome. Palestine has nothing. www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/world/gaza-counter/
#308 - i think you greatly overestimate how effective a ground invasi…  [+] (3 new replies) 20 hours ago on cleverguy's profile 0
User avatar #309 - teoberry (20 hours ago) [-]
I'd prefer anything to missiles since Israel is showing no restraint with them.
User avatar #310 - cleverguy (20 hours ago) [-]
how is israel showing no restraint? israel could make gaza a parking lot if it wanted to, but it doesn't. israel could opt not to warn civilians of missile strikes, but it does. israel could break ceasefires after hamas kills soldiers during ceasefires, but it doesn't.

israel has shown nothing but restraint
User avatar #311 - teoberry (9 hours ago) [-]
Really? They're bombing UN shelters for God's sake. They're shelling markets and coming up with those shitty edited images as proof. (Note: I'm not saying the image itself is edited, but it has those added on labels and markers which obscure whatever's going on, not to mention the fact that they're potato-quality). Good, they're not totally eliminating everyone in Gaza. Hoo-fucking-ray. They're such role models. The UN shelter told Israel not one, not ten, but 17 times that there were full of displaced victims, yet they still got directly hit. economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/world-news/unrwa-commissioner-general-pierre-krahenbuhl-denounces-israel-for-strike-on-gaza-school/articleshow/39302081.cms How can you even try to justify Israel's actions anymore? I get that they're being attacked, but let's face it, when one out of every 284 civilian deaths is an Israeli, you can't use that excuse anymore. Israel has Iron Dome. Palestine has nothing. www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/world/gaza-counter/
#81528 - was jesus God when he walked on earth? like was he omnipresent…  [+] (4 new replies) 21 hours ago on Religion Board +1
User avatar #81599 - Cambro (14 hours ago) [-]
cognosceteipsm

There are several different thoughts on this. I'm not clear on which side of the fence I stand, so I'll rather highlight 3 schools of thought on the subject.

1. Jesus had full omniscience and seeming omnipresence at all times on earth. This is seen clearly in the Gospel of John where Jesus tells Nathan what he was doing even though Jesus was miles away. This is what convinced Nathan that Jesus is really Jesus. There are other times Jesus show omniscience, such as predicting Peter's denial and Judas' betrayal.

This runs into problems, however, when you see that Jesus was also seemingly surprised at times. When the woman touches his robe he asks "who touched me? I felt power leave from me." He cries at the death of Lazarus before bringing him back to life. There are other examples, but these are off the top of my head. There is also what Paul writes where he states Jesus "poured himself out" to become human. What did Jesus pour out if still had access to all of these "powers," if you will, of God?

2. A theory called the "2 mind view to Christ." That is, Christ was fully divine and fully human. This results is Jesus had 2 separate minds--one in which he had access to the divine mind, and one in which he had access to his human mind. This now splits into sub categories.

a. Jesus has access to the divine mind at all times, but chose not to always access it. His "pouring out" was a willful action day-to-day and Jesus would use his power when he needed to do it to prove a point, fulfill prophecy, or make prophecy to further prove points (such as Judas and Peter).

b. Jesus did not have willful access to the divine mind, but was given access to it ONLY when God saw it useful for him to prove a point. Jesus gave up omniscience with becoming human and only could reach it if God granted it back to him and then took it away once again.

I am leaning toward 2a, but I haven't done the necessary research to affirm it for myself.
User avatar #81542 - cognosceteipsum (19 hours ago) [-]
Cambro and Teoragnar!
I believe he , like us, had some of Gods aspect but omnipresence, omniscience and omnipotence are solely Gods qualities that's what I believe, we'll see with these other guys.
User avatar #81540 - teoragnar (19 hours ago) [-]
Depends on the definition of omnipresence, I would take it as a synonym for omniscience.
To your first question:
I would say that the human Jesus would be what Judaism describes as the perfect human ( the fully imitation of God) since He is God incarnated.
#81533 - dehumanizer (21 hours ago) [-]
>implying you wont get beaten to death in israel for beeing a christian
#299155 - i really like that song. that was the first thing i thought wh… 07/30/2014 on Hating - file complaints,... 0
#81459 - Picture  [+] (2 new replies) 07/30/2014 on Religion Board +1
#81464 - dehumanizer (07/30/2014) [-]
>sam harris
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#81456 - lol 07/30/2014 on Religion Board 0
#133 - 1. you're judging how much he can bench by the size of his arm…  [+] (6 new replies) 07/29/2014 on I want in on this tumblr war -8
User avatar #244 - iRetaliate (07/29/2014) [-]
To be fair; once you start benching 405 pounds, you are going to need some beefy fucking triceps and delts just to support it.
#255 - anonymous (07/29/2014) [-]
Pecs are more important than delts in a bench.. but yea delts too
User avatar #268 - iRetaliate (07/29/2014) [-]
Obviously. But you're not going to see somebody with little itty bitty triceps and delts benching that much. No matter how strong their chest is, their arms will snap.
User avatar #332 - dadukesta (07/29/2014) [-]
I can confirm this. I am a tiny 150 lb man who can bench 200. My triceps are my third biggest muscles while my upper and lower chest combined would be a fifth place.
User avatar #395 - lecorbi (07/30/2014) [-]
all of a sudden this thread becomes /fit/
#398 - dadukesta (07/30/2014) [-]
I'm a full blood platissimusdactyl. Cah CAW!!
#123 - 4 on both sides  [+] (8 new replies) 07/29/2014 on I want in on this tumblr war -5
User avatar #128 - triplewin (07/29/2014) [-]
It's 2 on each side. When big brother admin posted flexing pics of himself you can tell in no fucking world would he be close to 184kgs. I'd be surprised if he couldn't bench 100kgs though. He is talking 2 plates on each side you fuckwit.
User avatar #133 - cleverguy (07/29/2014) [-]
1. you're judging how much he can bench by the size of his arms

2. you think i care about how much big brother admin says he can bench, i was just answering what it means when someone says 4 plates and it means 4 on each side
User avatar #244 - iRetaliate (07/29/2014) [-]
To be fair; once you start benching 405 pounds, you are going to need some beefy fucking triceps and delts just to support it.
#255 - anonymous (07/29/2014) [-]
Pecs are more important than delts in a bench.. but yea delts too
User avatar #268 - iRetaliate (07/29/2014) [-]
Obviously. But you're not going to see somebody with little itty bitty triceps and delts benching that much. No matter how strong their chest is, their arms will snap.
User avatar #332 - dadukesta (07/29/2014) [-]
I can confirm this. I am a tiny 150 lb man who can bench 200. My triceps are my third biggest muscles while my upper and lower chest combined would be a fifth place.
User avatar #395 - lecorbi (07/30/2014) [-]
all of a sudden this thread becomes /fit/
#398 - dadukesta (07/30/2014) [-]
I'm a full blood platissimusdactyl. Cah CAW!!
#81307 - the conversation is over, all you've done is throw around ad-h… 07/29/2014 on Religion Board 0
#81305 - hahaha those events all actually happened except for the ones … 07/29/2014 on Religion Board 0

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User avatar #276 - cognosceteipsum ONLINE (07/25/2014) [-]
So, are you a believer of any sort in any deity or creed? I'd say I'm an existentialist and an omnitheist. I believe there's an objective purpose to our existence.
User avatar #297 to #276 - cleverguy (07/25/2014) [-]
i don't want you to act differently, i want you to think differently
User avatar #299 to #297 - cognosceteipsum ONLINE (07/25/2014) [-]
Hm. Alright. But those two are intertwined.. although yes, I will try to think of it differently.. to just.. be appreciative.. for.. the things... i have... and to thank... myself? Or just thank nature for creating me with natural selection?
User avatar #300 to #299 - cleverguy (07/25/2014) [-]
you don't have to thank anyone for things that happened on their own. you can thank your parents and stuff for raising you and you can thank farmers and stuff for your food and other things like that, but other things you don't really have to thank anyone for. you can enjoy how pretty trees are, but you don't have to thank anyone for it, just enjoy it
User avatar #301 to #300 - cognosceteipsum ONLINE (07/25/2014) [-]
Alriiight I guess... but saying thanks has been showed to raise your happiness levels by escaping the hedonic treadmill... www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5lZBjWDR_c
User avatar #302 to #301 - cleverguy (07/25/2014) [-]
well that's fine and good, but that still doesn't mean that there's anyone to thank
User avatar #303 to #302 - cognosceteipsum ONLINE (07/25/2014) [-]
Sure, fiiiiine alrigth nobody to thank xd fine, let us keep it at that
User avatar #304 to #303 - cleverguy (07/25/2014) [-]
okie dokie
User avatar #277 to #276 - cleverguy (07/25/2014) [-]
my culture is jewish, but i don't believe in the religion. i don't believe any sort of deity exists because i've decided that a maximally great being can't exist because a maximally great being is not necessary.

i guess I'm an existential nihilist
User avatar #278 to #277 - cognosceteipsum ONLINE (07/25/2014) [-]
so.. necessity is the defining factor for you? I don't know how to argue at this point I think.. not sure if I'm intelligent enough.

hm. yeah, probably, then you believe in the subjective meaning of exist and enjoy, which everyone does, like... what else is there to do? I myself believe there's something more to do (go into trance, talk with God, explore, just a step higher well being I guess) but I respect your belief as I believed that for a very long time
User avatar #279 to #278 - cleverguy (07/25/2014) [-]
well yeah necessity is a defining factor because a maximally great being would be a necessary being, as in no possible universe could exist without this being's influence, but since i don't think our universe needed this being's influence, this being must not be necessary and thus the being doesn't exist.
i know you said you didn't want to argue that point, i just thought i should explain further

not subjective meaning, just that there is no "meaning"
i don't think there's any reason to think that humans have a special purpose in the universe, we are biological machines just like every other living thing. the only thing we've evolved to do efficiently is reproduce. so we might as well just deal with that and just live our lives the best we can, but wondering about meaning and purpose is a waste of time with this in mind.
User avatar #280 to #279 - cognosceteipsum ONLINE (07/25/2014) [-]
Hm. I guess I'm more of a deist then as i believe he set it in motion and he made hardships for us with hidden nuggets of psychological strength. Like, your mother got cancer so that you could learn to cope with loss. YOU got cancer so that you got used to how medicine worked and to cooperate, to learn to appreciate life for real and so on, that's how I believe. I believe in God, for in each moment, I find a blessing. No kidding. Every fucking moment I find something new and good and if you look too in each moment, you will find that your life is already abundant

Well yeah, but the living lives best is a subjective meaning isn't it? A meaning you applied
oh and.. not supposed to talk behind peoples backs but.. thanks for not spazzing out like willow.. I used to like him... until he turned this way.. all corrupted by meaninglessness
User avatar #281 to #280 - cleverguy (07/25/2014) [-]
well the thing about that belief is that it's more based in wishful thinking than actual truth
like it would be cool if it were true, but there's no real reason to think that it is true

it's not meaning, it's advice
User avatar #282 to #281 - cognosceteipsum ONLINE (07/25/2014) [-]
Just take the chance in believing in it and see what happens? For me, what has happened throughout my life is proof, but I don't know.

Alright.
User avatar #283 to #282 - cleverguy (07/25/2014) [-]
is something supposed to happen? can't i enjoy life my own way?
User avatar #284 to #283 - cognosceteipsum ONLINE (07/25/2014) [-]
That's how it is from my point of view lol, that everything is predetermined by God..

but you have free will and you get to choose.. see, here is where it gets REALLY murky and you might just be smarter and know more than I do in this area. But I believe you have the freedom to choose what kind of good thing you want to experience. You can fap or sex. You can live concert, livestreamed concert, or live recorded video on youtube concert. You can neuroscience or cosmology. You can both. You can all. See?
User avatar #285 to #284 - cleverguy (07/25/2014) [-]
but what does that have to do with God?
User avatar #286 to #285 - cognosceteipsum ONLINE (07/25/2014) [-]
Those are the choices He gave you, that's what I believe.
User avatar #287 to #286 - cleverguy (07/25/2014) [-]
but why do you believe god gave you those choices?
User avatar #288 to #287 - cognosceteipsum ONLINE (07/25/2014) [-]
Because they are so great. They may be random; I Don't really care either way, I will live my life the same way with and without God.
User avatar #289 to #288 - cleverguy (07/25/2014) [-]
that's what i'm saying, you would live the same either way, the only difference is that you're inserting an unnecessary God being into your life and giving it credit for things that happened on their own.

it's occ.'s razor basically, you have no reason to accredit God to these things
User avatar #290 to #289 - cognosceteipsum ONLINE (07/25/2014) [-]
Well then. I guess I'll just acredit God to it and you don't, that's fine, we can still be friends.
User avatar #291 to #290 - cleverguy (07/25/2014) [-]
I'm just wondering why you do that? why do you think it has to be God?
User avatar #292 to #291 - cognosceteipsum ONLINE (07/25/2014) [-]
Gut feeling. Also friends who believe in God and so I do too. Not peer pressure. Please don't treat my belief any less than I treat your disbelief. I can't really explain it. But it's not less valid than your disbelief imo; I can see if you disagree, but please.
User avatar #293 to #292 - cleverguy (07/25/2014) [-]
well that's the thing, by definition your belief is not valid
User avatar #294 to #293 - cognosceteipsum ONLINE (07/25/2014) [-]
How about we do a little thing called have faith? Is that wrong? It's not like it's going to subtract anything from my life; but it IS going to add some things. I have someone to thank for all the great things, which make me even more happy for it
User avatar #295 to #294 - cleverguy (07/25/2014) [-]
yeah i know, faith is ok, but you have to understand that it is just that: faith-something not based in logic or reason, but believed for completely arbitrary reason, aka not valid

it's ok to have it, and it's ok to believe things, but don't pretend like you have a good reason to believe it
User avatar #298 to #295 - cognosceteipsum ONLINE (07/25/2014) [-]
Also, keep in mind, I MAY find reasons to believe along the way.
User avatar #296 to #295 - cognosceteipsum ONLINE (07/25/2014) [-]
Fine, how do you want me to act then? Give a scenario please
User avatar #275 - cognosceteipsum ONLINE (07/25/2014) [-]
www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Lp-NMaU0r8
Be proud, Son of Zion!
User avatar #269 - teoberry (07/25/2014) [-]
Do you mind if I continue our PM convo on here or my profile or somewhere? I forget about PMs and it's annoying to respond.
User avatar #273 to #269 - teoberry (07/25/2014) [-]
The third source isn't too reliable. It says there "may be some" in hospitals, which the Director himself says is false. There may have been missiles near it, but that's no excuse for missiles hitting it. The IDF should be better than that. I get it's tech and all, but if you're gonna use missiles in a city, you have no room to miss.
User avatar #274 to #273 - cleverguy (07/25/2014) [-]
honestly it's hard for me to keep track of the links you're referring to, but i dont really want to try to prove to you any further that hamas operates in ways that put it's own civilians in danger.

so, for the sake of argument, lets concede that bombing was a mistake and that israel stops bombing.
ok, now what happens? what should israel's next course of action be?
User avatar #305 to #274 - teoberry (07/27/2014) [-]
They're the ones you pmed me

To be honest, I'm not too sure anymore. nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/07/hamas-didnt-kidnap-the-israeli-teens-after-all.html This fucks with the situation a bit because the kidnapping was part of the reason Israel went in. To me, it seems that boots on the ground is the best option. No way Hamas can fight the IDF, and with people on the ground we can tell if a civilian death is accidental, and I think there'll be less of them
User avatar #306 to #305 - cleverguy (07/27/2014) [-]
yea i know, but i dont remember the order and stuff

the kidnapping was part of it, but it's also the fact that hamas is firing hundreds of rockets at israel.

guerilla warfare never turns out good and civilian deaths, i feel, will be much more frequent for the same reasons that civilian deaths happen in gaza now: people martyring themselves as well as crowded cities
User avatar #307 to #306 - teoberry (21 hours ago) [-]
fuck me it never gives notifications

I know the rockets are the main reason, but this is just shameful

Either way, sadly, civilians are gonna die, but with a ground invasion I feel that since rifles are more accurate than rockets with a much lower potential for collateral, it's better. So we avoid things like this www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28558433
User avatar #308 to #307 - cleverguy (20 hours ago) [-]
i think you greatly overestimate how effective a ground invasion could be.
User avatar #309 to #308 - teoberry (20 hours ago) [-]
I'd prefer anything to missiles since Israel is showing no restraint with them.
User avatar #310 to #309 - cleverguy (20 hours ago) [-]
how is israel showing no restraint? israel could make gaza a parking lot if it wanted to, but it doesn't. israel could opt not to warn civilians of missile strikes, but it does. israel could break ceasefires after hamas kills soldiers during ceasefires, but it doesn't.

israel has shown nothing but restraint
User avatar #311 to #310 - teoberry (9 hours ago) [-]
Really? They're bombing UN shelters for God's sake. They're shelling markets and coming up with those shitty edited images as proof. (Note: I'm not saying the image itself is edited, but it has those added on labels and markers which obscure whatever's going on, not to mention the fact that they're potato-quality). Good, they're not totally eliminating everyone in Gaza. Hoo-fucking-ray. They're such role models. The UN shelter told Israel not one, not ten, but 17 times that there were full of displaced victims, yet they still got directly hit. You need to login to view this link How can you even try to justify Israel's actions anymore? I get that they're being attacked, but let's face it, when one out of every 284 civilian deaths is an Israeli, you can't use that excuse anymore. Israel has Iron Dome. Palestine has nothing. www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/world/gaza-counter/
User avatar #271 to #269 - teoberry (07/25/2014) [-]
Fuck it, gonna post it here and delete later if you want. Plus we have more characters. I'm gonna look at your first link. The very first video shows two guys getting into an ambulance. That's it. There's no other sort of proof that the ambulance was used in an attack or even connected to Hamas or a terror group. The picture after literally just shows a diagram of a neighbourhood, no type of evidence whatsoever. Yes, the third one show Hamas was hiding rockets. In a vacant school. It was next to two other full schools but if they wanted to put their people in the line of fire they would've hid it in there. I don't think it's a "lets put it with civilians so Israel is condemned" type thing, I think it's a "we don't think that Israel will bomb UN targets so it's convenient for us". Not trying to justify it, just saying there's more than one explanation. Don't see anything wrong with dressing up as a soldier, that's tactically smart, actually. Also, see this (electronicintifada.net/blogs/maureen-clare-murphy/photo-gun-toting-israeli-soldier-disguised-palestinian-woman). Re: the women, I don't think a tweet is to be trusted, especially because it could've been a girl with a gun, and people there are less than friendly to reporters (rt.com/usa/173888-cnn-reporter-scum-israel/) Same goes for the next one, it's one report with the no proof. Weren't you the one who was talking about witnesses not being reliable? For the donkeys, the Russians used dogs to do it with tanks. Don't really see the problem. For the house, I see a hole. No other photos. The home owner could've offered up his place. Also, source two is included in this since it talks about the school. Gonna go on your third link real quick.
User avatar #270 to #269 - cleverguy (07/25/2014) [-]
yeah it's no problem, the character limits are bringing me down too. im not sure how much more there is to say though
User avatar #272 to #270 - teoberry (07/25/2014) [-]
Agreed, I'm just doing it because I'm bored.
User avatar #268 - cognosceteipsum ONLINE (07/23/2014) [-]
Hey... say that you and I.... (pm)
User avatar #246 to #245 - cleverguy (12/12/2013) [-]
......ok....
User avatar #250 to #249 - cleverguy (12/12/2013) [-]
what are you trying to prove here?
User avatar #252 to #251 - cleverguy (12/13/2013) [-]
my question was pretty clear. why did you post this?
User avatar #253 to #252 - revengeforfreeze (12/13/2013) [-]
Its not, "what are you trying to prove" nothing just found it funny.
User avatar #254 to #253 - cleverguy (12/13/2013) [-]
why?
User avatar #256 to #255 - cleverguy (12/13/2013) [-]
you're full of shit
User avatar #257 to #256 - revengeforfreeze (12/13/2013) [-]
I am full of shit? For posting a funny Link? Sensitive much?
User avatar #258 to #257 - cleverguy (12/13/2013) [-]
what do you have against jews?
User avatar #259 to #258 - revengeforfreeze (12/13/2013) [-]
That you are in denial. Not nexessarily all of them but you at least.

Also that They are so rcial supremacist that it hurts
User avatar #260 to #259 - cleverguy (12/13/2013) [-]
denial of what?

and pride is very differen from supremacy
User avatar #261 to #260 - revengeforfreeze (12/13/2013) [-]
Hypocrites gonna hypo. First off, its ironic that you call me an idiot while you dont understand that he is being a coward.

Then, the torah is chock full of racial supremacy. Just because you dont understand the differencw between supremacy and Pride doesnt make me an idiot
User avatar #262 to #261 - cleverguy (12/13/2013) [-]
that's your incorrect opinion

and you dont have to believe the torah to be jewish
User avatar #263 to #262 - revengeforfreeze (12/13/2013) [-]
Hahaha no. Its your incorrect opinion that hes just doing it for Visual rhetoric or whatever.

Yet so many are racial supremacists. Hmm.
User avatar #264 to #263 - cleverguy (12/13/2013) [-]
again, just because you dont understand it...

and it seems like youre the racist one hear.

this will be my last response
User avatar #265 to #264 - cleverguy (12/13/2013) [-]
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User avatar #228 - thebritishguy (10/15/2013) [-]
Hey man, what do you think about the first cause argument? I'm talking to this physicist about it
User avatar #229 to #228 - cleverguy (10/15/2013) [-]
you mean the kalam argument?

i dont think it holds because time didn't exist "before" the universe, so principles of causality dont apply to the origin of the universe because nothing could possibly have come "before" it
User avatar #230 to #229 - thebritishguy (10/15/2013) [-]
yeah I mentioned that. But also because when we see cause and effect we are just seeing things going according to the laws of thermodynamics, matter just changes shape, we don't actually see things coming into existence as such, just changing shape.
Also I don't think it's right to apply laws of our Universe onto the Universe itself.
User avatar #231 to #230 - cleverguy (10/15/2013) [-]
exactly, so are you just looking for confirmation? because thats enough in my mind to show that a "first cause" argument doesn't work
User avatar #233 to #231 - thebritishguy (10/15/2013) [-]
I'm just looking for as much material to use because he's a physicist and I'm just a teenager. I've already been wrong about some stuff like I kept going on about how matter can't be created or destroyed when it totally can.
What's weird to me is that Carl Sagan used the argument "what was the cause of God?" but Gods infinite, so then he says "well then the Universe is infinite" but the Universe isn't infinite because of the big bang so it's not a good refutation, is it? Then where did God come from?  (Carl Sagan)
User avatar #244 to #233 - revengeforfreeze (11/09/2013) [-]
I scrolled by quickly and I thought the branch to his left looking behind him and to his right looking at him up front was the neck of a guitar.. lol
User avatar #235 to #233 - cleverguy (10/15/2013) [-]
look below. i wrote that before watching the video so i might have repeated some stuff he said unintentionally
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User avatar #234 to #232 - cleverguy (10/15/2013) [-]
Theres something in science that separates it from the "God is infinite" argument, it's called refutability. being irrefutable, like most definitions of God, doesn't make it true, in fact it makes it less believable. its how fortune tellers work: they say something like "you will meet someone interesting soon" and that can be twisted and turned to come true no matter what because it is so ambiguous. that's why most people dont believe in fortune tellers, because they know their irrefutable claims are just bunk that's made to seem true.

What was the cause of God is a perfectly valid question, but "God is just infinite" is not a valid answer for a couple reasons. first, it's irrefutable, so it's not an actual explanation, it's an arbitrary definition that just makes things more complicated, but cannot be argued with. it also opens the question of why can't the universe just be infinite, but that's another can of worms of philosophy and stuff.

The reasons that we think the universe did not have a "first cause" are logical and valid, the reasons for thinking it did are arbitrary and fallacious. It's as simple as that. the universe could not have been "caused" because principles of causality do not apply when time doesn't exist. as far as our universe is concerned, it coming into existence was the first event ever in time. in other words, the universe did not need to be "caused" because without laws of physics or time in existence, there is nothing stopping an entire universe from basically just "popping into existence" so to speak.
User avatar #236 to #234 - thebritishguy (10/15/2013) [-]
Ah yes that makes sense, it seems unreasonable but we usually only apply reasons to things which are within time and our Universe.
But the Universe can't be infinite because of the big bang, that makes it finite. Unless we propose the "big bounce theory" but he refuted that.

Like every argument for God though it's just opening a gap and filling it with God, even if the first cause argument is valid the cause could just be an infinite bubble bath where every bubble is a Universe.
User avatar #237 to #236 - cleverguy (10/16/2013) [-]
exactly, arbitrary explanations are lazy and solve no actual problems
User avatar #238 to #237 - thebritishguy (10/16/2013) [-]
indeed, but I don't want intellectual masturbation
You say that
//it also opens the question of why can't the universe just be infinite, but that's another can of worms of philosophy and stuff.//
But how can the Universe be infinite? the big bang makes it finite
User avatar #239 to #238 - cleverguy (10/16/2013) [-]
because time has only existed along with our universe, so nothing came "before" it and nothing will come "after" it. who's to say what conditions exist when time doesn't. you can't even describe the scenario without using time related words. the way i see it, literally anything could happen without laws of physics and time, but regarding an infinite universe, as far as time is concerned, the universe has "always" existed.
User avatar #240 to #239 - thebritishguy (10/16/2013) [-]
Yeah the Universe has always existed, but it is still not eternal because it did...start. It's hard to talk about it without giving false implications. We have other evidence as well, we know that the Universe is going to keep expanding and supposedly end, if it was eternal it could not end either.
I'm a bit confused about this, it seems you are talking about a state with no laws of physics or time but when is this supposed to be? are you referring to the singularity or some kind of string theory?
User avatar #241 to #240 - cleverguy (10/17/2013) [-]
that also depends what you mean by end too. will the universe cease to exist? or will everything in the universe eventual just become pure heat energy forever and ever?

also that state is the state of nothingness. it is impossible to fathom because even empty space is something. it has nothing to do with anything in the universe. my view is that a state of nothingness has infinite potential, and the universe started out of that nothingness on its own
User avatar #242 to #241 - thebritishguy (10/17/2013) [-]
There's no point talking about absolutely nothing, it didn't exist. Absolutely nothing is just non existence.

There are different theories about the Universes funeral:
big crunch: the Universe will collapse into a little ball and maybe bang again
big freeze: it will keep expanding and we will freeze until it expands into almost absolute zero
big rip: the Universe goes into an exponential expansion and expands so rapidly that the distant galaxies will never be seen, the night sky will be black except for a few nearby stars.

We have to look at dark matter to find out what the rate of expansion is.
User avatar #243 to #242 - cleverguy (10/17/2013) [-]
none of those mean it will stop existing, so in that sense, the universe is functionally eternal.
User avatar #226 - nippuhl (07/12/2013) [-]
Hi Dylan
User avatar #227 to #226 - cleverguy (07/12/2013) [-]
my name isn't dylan
#199 - shockofgod (06/13/2013) [-]
hey bro. just wanna let u know i'm still prayin for you dawg. it's not too late to turn to Jesus my friend. he will forgive ur stubbornness
User avatar #200 to #199 - cleverguy (06/13/2013) [-]
you're nuts
#201 to #200 - shockofgod (06/13/2013) [-]
He'll even forgive u for saying that!
User avatar #202 to #201 - cleverguy (06/13/2013) [-]
in what way could you possibly think the things you've said to me could possibly have convinced me to listen to you now, let alone convert
#203 to #202 - shockofgod (06/13/2013) [-]
at least i'm trying. it's my duty cus God has commanded it
User avatar #204 to #203 - cleverguy (06/13/2013) [-]
"you're like boderline retarded."
-shockofgod

yeah i can tell you're trying so hard. fuck off, idiot, go rant about atheists on youtube some more and leave me alone
#205 to #204 - shockofgod (06/13/2013) [-]
i am trying hard man. but i am fallible like everyone else.
User avatar #206 to #205 - cleverguy (06/13/2013) [-]
go bother someone else, you wont convert me because there is no way you could get me to believe what you believe
#207 to #206 - shockofgod (06/13/2013) [-]
you say that now. but maybe later on when ur less rebellious u will accept the truth
User avatar #208 to #207 - cleverguy (06/13/2013) [-]
no, i will never be christian, i guarantee you.
#209 to #208 - shockofgod (06/13/2013) [-]
that rebellious attitude wont last!! u will be saved
User avatar #210 to #209 - cleverguy (06/13/2013) [-]
im not being rebellious, you just cannot convince me that what you believe is the truth because it is not the truth.
User avatar #266 to #210 - revengeforfreeze (01/06/2014) [-]
that's quite a bold statement there friend

how do you know that christianity isn't the "truth"
#211 to #210 - shockofgod (06/13/2013) [-]
it is the truth, i guarantee it! and i guarantee that u come to terms with the truth and embrace it. i have high hopes for you mate
User avatar #212 to #211 - cleverguy (06/13/2013) [-]
your guarantee means absolutely nothing to me because you are a fucking moron.

seriously, why are you bugging me?
#213 to #212 - shockofgod (06/13/2013) [-]
cus i wanna save you. don't want u going to hell its not a fun place to be
User avatar #214 to #213 - cleverguy (06/13/2013) [-]
you're not very convincing
#215 to #214 - shockofgod (06/13/2013) [-]
i don't want other people to ruin their lives and suffer
User avatar #216 to #215 - cleverguy (06/13/2013) [-]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_emotion

this isn't going to convince me. did you look at a list of fallacies and think you would try to use every single one to try and convince people to be christian? because thats what it seems like.
#217 to #216 - shockofgod (06/13/2013) [-]
i dont think the truth can be a fallacy mate
User avatar #226 to #217 - cleverguy (06/13/2013) [-]
maybe you can think of some more convincing preaching tomorrow
User avatar #224 to #217 - cleverguy (06/13/2013) [-]
so what you're saying is that people who want to feel something magically feel something and those that dont care dont feel anything? sounds a lot like the placebo effect to me.

that still doesn't prove anything by the way. are you through yet?
#225 to #224 - shockofgod (06/13/2013) [-]
if you don't ask he's not answer.... i'm login out and goin to bed mate. gn
User avatar #222 to #217 - cleverguy (06/13/2013) [-]
how in the world would that be in my control? and how would that prove christianity?
#223 to #222 - shockofgod (06/13/2013) [-]
its in ur control cus all u hav to do is ask
User avatar #220 to #217 - cleverguy (06/13/2013) [-]
just because you say its true doesn't mean its true. give me one good reason why its true that isn't circular reasoning and i might reconsider
#221 to #220 - shockofgod (06/13/2013) [-]
u have to experience God for yourself
User avatar #218 to #217 - cleverguy (06/13/2013) [-]
if its not relevant to the actual argument, then yes, the truth can be fallacious.for example, your feelings regarding your duty to God and converting people does not make your beliefs seems any more true to other people. i already know why christians want to convert people, that doesn't make me believe in christianity. i wasn't asking you why you want to convert people, im asking you why are you picking on me specifically?
#219 to #218 - shockofgod (06/13/2013) [-]
i dont think you understand dude. my beliefs are true for everyone. they are absolutely and objectively true and you have supressed the truth in sin
User avatar #197 - khl (06/11/2013) [-]
are you selling the omelette du fromage item ?
User avatar #198 to #197 - cleverguy (06/12/2013) [-]
i was never selling it
#177 - suckmyasssketche (04/18/2013) [-]
no hard feelins rite?
User avatar #178 to #177 - cleverguy (04/18/2013) [-]
what are you talking about?
#179 to #178 - suckmyasssketche (04/18/2013) [-]
no hard feelings, right?
User avatar #180 to #179 - cleverguy (04/18/2013) [-]
well no, you kinda said that you hate me because of my religion and talk down to me,so im not going to acknowledge you
#181 to #180 - suckmyasssketche (04/18/2013) [-]
are u ethnically Jewish or is it just your religion?
User avatar #182 to #181 - cleverguy (04/18/2013) [-]
both
#183 to #182 - suckmyasssketche (04/18/2013) [-]
oh...

well i dont hate all jews
User avatar #184 to #183 - cleverguy (04/18/2013) [-]
yeah.......go away
#171 - anonymous (04/07/2013) [-]
what an ugly ass profile pic
User avatar #172 to #171 - cleverguy (04/07/2013) [-]
sorry you dont like it
#173 to #172 - anonymous (04/07/2013) [-]
i hate it. it makes me angry because its so ugly
User avatar #174 to #173 - cleverguy (04/07/2013) [-]
sorry buddy
User avatar #162 - jingleforth (03/18/2013) [-]
How much will college cost you?
User avatar #163 to #162 - cleverguy (03/19/2013) [-]
depends where i go, probably a lot if i dont get scholarship opportunities
User avatar #164 to #163 - jingleforth (03/19/2013) [-]
My school's paying for my college. All of it, would you say that's a good deal? or is it common place..
User avatar #165 to #164 - cleverguy (03/19/2013) [-]
its an amazing deal!

what school?
User avatar #166 to #165 - jingleforth (03/19/2013) [-]
Some sort of home-school esque thing. I can pretty much go to any college I want in my state for free. Which I guess is good...?

User avatar #167 to #166 - cleverguy (03/19/2013) [-]
yes, very good, lucky you
User avatar #168 to #167 - jingleforth (03/19/2013) [-]
idk, i never thought it was that special.

How much do colleges usually cost?
User avatar #169 to #168 - cleverguy (03/19/2013) [-]
about 15000 a year
User avatar #170 to #169 - cleverguy (03/19/2013) [-]
but thats an average, some cost 40000 per year or more
User avatar #154 - tredbear (03/17/2013) [-]
you are going to love the warden
User avatar #149 - MotherFuckingTobi (03/05/2013) [-]
i have 7 or 8 pride souls. plus a few of every other kind. i'm looking for chests and keys.
User avatar #150 to #149 - cleverguy (03/05/2013) [-]
sorry man, some pride souls dropped, i just needed them to hatch a dragon egg, but feel free to offer a trade. i dont really want souls though
User avatar #151 to #150 - MotherFuckingTobi (03/05/2013) [-]
look at my profile for things you want.
User avatar #152 to #151 - cleverguy (03/05/2013) [-]
ill be honest, i dont really want anything, sorry, man
User avatar #153 to #152 - MotherFuckingTobi (03/05/2013) [-]
its alright. i'm new to the game so i don't have much.
User avatar #143 - sexymossantamby (03/05/2013) [-]
selling toilet or insanity souls?
User avatar #144 to #143 - cleverguy (03/05/2013) [-]
not selling toilet, but maybe insanity souls, what for?
User avatar #145 to #144 - sexymossantamby (03/05/2013) [-]
watcah want?
User avatar #146 to #145 - cleverguy (03/05/2013) [-]
two frank recombination pages and telling me how to make kristen stewart XD
User avatar #147 to #146 - sexymossantamby (03/05/2013) [-]
sadly kristen is a d/c drop and i can part with that :)
User avatar #148 to #147 - cleverguy (03/05/2013) [-]
oh ok, that's fine. i just wanted to know where all those kinds of items came from. i thought you could craft them since they are conglomerations of other items. thanks for the info :)
User avatar #138 - thebritishguy (01/31/2013) [-]
www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSQSx3OCrXQ&list=FLPhvIE8RPEMvEixybWo4W-A&index=1 here is the science of homosexuality
also remember it is not a lifestyle choice as animals are gay and that's retarded anyway
User avatar #139 to #138 - cleverguy (01/31/2013) [-]
interesting, thanks for the video
#140 to #139 - thebritishguy (01/31/2013) [-]
no problem, I am happy you stand up for people like me ( :
no problem, I am happy you stand up for people like me ( :
User avatar #142 to #140 - cleverguy (01/31/2013) [-]
any time, man
User avatar #134 - HAwAII (12/02/2012) [-]
You can get a potato or two. Lol just kidding, are you looking for anything in particular?
User avatar #135 to #134 - cleverguy (12/02/2012) [-]
lol not necessarily, just stuff i dont have, but i dont want to get rid of all my mystery boxes, i wanna leave at least one or two of each type i have
User avatar #136 to #135 - HAwAII (12/02/2012) [-]
I understand that, placeholder and everything. I'll offer you, and if you're uncertain, you can post it on the board and get opinions.
User avatar #137 to #136 - cleverguy (12/02/2012) [-]
sounds good to me
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