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|#43 - Doesn't matter, Robb Stark will always be the king of my heart [+] (16 new replies)||03/09/2014 on *slow clap for the Harry...||+8|
#46 - snowshark (03/09/2014) [-]
I knew he was gonna die by the third episode or so of the second series. When a writer invests so much time into creating interesting, boundary-pushing characters like Tyrion, Arya, and Daenerys they just don't give a flying fuck about the boring ones. Rob Stark was so simple and generic in a series that is populated with interesting and cleverly-written characters that he was obviously a sacrificial lion (or wolf as it were.)
Given the end of the third season it's fairly clear how the big points of the next two seasons will play out (but that's 'cus I write for a living and I probably can spot the groundwork for the future where others can't... my friends got kinda pissed when I explained where the Halo series is gonna go with 5 & 6.)
#66 - rundas (03/09/2014) [-]
Yeah, I agree in the show he was boring, I didn't really care for his character on the show either. But in the books, he was a well-developed character. In the first book, he was a fourteen-year-old who really had no idea what he was doing and he was extremely uncertain, but he just did what he had to do and you could see him develop from insecurity to becoming a great general.
#81 - snowshark (03/09/2014) [-]
That is true, except at the same time his story was never meant to be important. It was always meant to push the development of other characters. If he was at any point an actually important character he would have lost a battle. He would have had to face more hardship than he did on the battlefield. Except he didn't... because he wasn't important. However the Lannisters? The people his success was meant to drive the knife of fear into? Yeah they're important. Rob was only to motivate certain characters like the Lannisters and Arya into action. You can usually tell which characters have import to the story invested in their own existence like Arya and Brann from the ones who don't because they have the most interesting personalities. No writer wants to waste their time on characters that aren't important and instead of spending time giving them interesting personalities they devote that time elsewhere.
If someone can write characters as well as George Double Pretentious Authorial Letter Martin can then you'd expect more of his characters to be interesting, except they aren't. We're meant to focus on the more interesting characters because they're the ones that are important to the story. Their personal journeys and destinations are important outside of being motivating forces for other characters.
Both Rob and John aren't interesting. Rob's most interesting moments come when he's talking with his mother (who is an interesting character because she needed to be to stop the audience getting bored due to hanging around with Rob all the time) and John's are his interactions with Sam and Ygritte.
Basically you get the idea... I hope. Both in the books and in the show the character is relatively dull when you set him up next to characters like Tyrion and Arya. He was just George making the best of a character that needed to exist for the sake of keeping the stories of the interesting characters moving.
#84 - rundas (03/09/2014) [-]
If you read the books, you'll find that Jon and Robb are quite interesting. Jon was actually my favorite. And even though he didn't have a perspective, it did spend a lot of time on Robb, though mostly through Catelyn. I don't really like either of their actors that much, and they kinda made them more boring in the series. I'm just saying, don't say a character's not important or interesting just because he's not in the show.
#95 - snowshark (03/09/2014) [-]
Aye, I've read the books, hence why I said 'That is true'. However I maintain that even in the books they're not interesting or important (or at least important in the sense that a character like Arya or Daenerys is).
Jon's journey is important to set up characters like Sam and to give his little brothers a place to head to (Castle Black) whilst also serving as a looking-glass for the audience into life beyond the wall. As a character he never really stood out doing something that seemed outside of the bounds of what I expected of him. He never wooed me and he never made me think "Wow, I like this character.". What he 'did' do well though is interact with other characters that I liked like Ygritte and Sam.
The same is true of Rob. He never did anything I particularly cared for and his angle of being young and stepping up to the plate was nice but at the same time... I've seen it before, I've seen it done better, and it was pretty transparent to me at least that he didn't matter in the overall narrative to the same extent as a character like Arya or Daenerys did.
Also, this is just a pet peeve of mine. If someone talks about Harry Potter without having read the books I'm totally fine with it. Same as if they do it with Game of Thrones. They're two different stories presented in different ways. Tyrion from the books isn't Tyrion from the T.V. show nor is Robb nor is John. Even if I'd only seen the show it wouldn't matter because Book Robb is a different character to T.V. Rob. T.V. Rob is boring as shit but Book Robb might be really interesting but that wouldn't mean Robb is an interesting character, it means that 'one' of them is. We call them 'adaptations' but really they're not the same story and treating them like one only creates animosity between the two parties.
In my opinion the live-action version is better than the books, because that's my personal speed. I read the books afterwards and there are differences. Some are good, others not. Different stories.
#102 - motherless (03/09/2014) [-]
None of Jon's brothers went to Castle Black(Except when Bran passed through, but that wasnt to see Jon). Jon is more than a looking glass, he makes some impactful decisions for the Nights Watch and for the true king, Stannis the Mannis. Sam and Arya, while maybe being interesting, are less important for the overall story(Sam does effect it but he seems more of a plot device than Jon or Robb to me, while Arya only effects her own arc for the most part.) The importance of a character and whether they live or die is not based on who you like the best. Jon is one of the most important characters for the kingdom.
#105 - snowshark (03/09/2014) [-]
Except before they met the brother and sister whose names I never remember they were headed straight for Castle Black. If it weren't for Jon they'd have been headed for Robb which would have taken them in the wrong direction and they'd be meeting the siblings further away from the wall and would have to backtrack. It is more useful for the narrative if they were already headed in that direction.
#110 - motherless (03/09/2014) [-]
No, Bran met Jojen and Meera Reed while they were still in Winterfell before Theon came, and from the beginning when they set out they were going to beyond the wall. It was Jojen and Brans dreams that made them go north, not Jon. Jon is more than a narrative aid; he is the main viewpoint of the struggle against the Others, he leads the Nights Watch against the Wildlings and makes some important decisions regarding their fate, and if Robb's letter of legitimization is found he is Lord of Winterfell and King in the North. He is as much of a "main character" as Daenerys.
#98 - rundas (03/09/2014) [-]
Well, I read the books first so I guess that would explain the difference of opinion. Also, I really don't like Daenerys. Again, it's probably because of the sequence: I like series Dany better than book Dany. But either way, Dany is a complete hypocrite and a bit of a whore. First off, she pretty much fell in love with a murderous warlord because he didn't rape her. Next, she is militant on "the Usurper's dogs" and all that shit, but she makes no attempt to better understand the situation. She understands that Viserys was an asswipe, but she still accepts his version of history. Next, she leads a horde of slavers, but when she finds the people that actually buy the slaves, she is disgusted and has to force her beliefs on them--at their own expense. Pretty much she just causes a bunch of chaos, death, and famine, and in the end things are no better for the slaves. And then there's that whole thing where she refuses to punish slaves for the crimes they committed when rebelling against their masters--murder, rape, whatever. And yet Ned Stark deserves death because he was associated with Robert. And, of course, she exiles the only people who truly believe in her cause, instead of just following her blindly because of some oath.
#100 - snowshark (03/09/2014) [-]
Well... I would argue that is more because she is changing and developing as the series goes along. In the beginning she didn't really care for the slaving but it was never a concern for her. She wanted her son to rule and she didn't care which way about it. But then as time went by she became more sympathetic to the downtrodden and the abused. Her goals moved away from other people and more towards herself. How does 'she' want things to be done. She gets power and it starts to change her for the better. However... yeah I'ma have to go back and read the books again since I can see what you're getting at but I don't think it's as clean-cut as you say it is. Either way, I'll go back and give Daenerys' story a read-through and see if I missed anything important.
#106 - snowshark (03/09/2014) [-]
Sometimes characters will just rub you up the wrong way. *shrug* She's very judgemental and pretty cold in the books but she really seems truer to what Martin wanted in the T.V. series. I think part of that comes from the delivery and another part of it comes from the fact that the adapters already knew what did/didn't work about the character and attempted to write around those parts as best they could to improve the characterisation.
#109 - rundas (03/09/2014) [-]
I agree, same with Tyrion. Book Tyrion was a cool character, but still diabolical in many ways. Series Tyrion is a pretty cool guy. I just wish they did some makeup work on him so he's uglier and fits the role of an outcast better, rather than just being the joker. Cause Peter Dinklage is a sexy mofo no homo
#112 - snowshark (03/09/2014) [-]
But that's 'cause I always think of things on a load of levels which kinda distracts from the things themselves.
Also... I'd fuck him.
#118 - snowshark (03/10/2014) [-]
See, I like to see the creative industries as a vast amalgam of everything that exists fictionally since they all affect one-another in their own ways. If a midget becomes a really successful character in something really popular then minds are opened to the idea. Dinklage has been breaking ground for a while but think of it like this.
There were games before Halo that let you have two weapons max. There were almost no games after Halo that let you have more than two weapons.
There were games before Halo where the screen would go red when you're hurt. There were almost no games after Halo when that didn't happen.
Point is, it's not who does it first, it's who does it best. In this case the who is the same person but the platform he is doing it on is more important. It makes the series more memorable and important. But you're right, he would be more true to form as a deformed imp, but as far he stands (well... it's not that far but at least he stands) he works for me in other ways.
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