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#372 - It's people like me with bleeding hearts? I don't particularly… 12/19/2013 on Maximum Overrustle (link in... 0
#370 - Okay, so punishment is not always achievable, but what is putt…  [+] (2 new replies) 12/19/2013 on Maximum Overrustle (link in... 0
#371 - angelusprimus (12/19/2013) [-]
I'm sorry, but in my opinion its bleeding hearts like you that made our system so fucked up.
You people always just look at the perpertrator. And let me tell you something. Fuck him. Fuck people who kill because they are so irresponsible they don't give a shit at who they hurt. Fuck them. Yes, they should pay.
#372 - catephant (12/19/2013) [-]
It's people like me with bleeding hearts? I don't particularly care for the person in question at all, that isn't to say I therefore want to turn him into someone capable of intending to commit a crime, people like me don't make "our system" fucked up, I - at the very least as you aren't clear about who you are grouping me with - look at the prison system and see so many failings in it that can be resolved with systems that have already been tried (successfully) in other nations. That people such as yourself are so set in the system that was brought about in an era when we as a people knew no better is just daft (in my opinion).

On a side note, your entire last line made no sense, I look at the perpetrator? I assume you are mentioning your argument about the family, which I explained was based on the idea everyone is as backwards as yourself. The second part of that line? Calm down. The last part? I highly highly doubt anyone that kills due to irresponsible behaviour (and as such the death was accidental) "doesn't give a shit" as you so eloquently put it. I will tell you right now that they of all people will have the most remorse - because they never intended what did happen to happen.

So after all this, give me one GOOD reason why anyone should be put in prison for an accident when they are of no danger to society as long as they receive proper therapy? Unless your sole objective is to criminalise accidents and in turn create career criminals out of the irresponsible. If so, then you genuinely confuse me so much - how such a belief set can still exist in a modern and supposed civil world is beyond me.
#367 - I do not mean to sound like I am defending the people who do t…  [+] (4 new replies) 12/16/2013 on Maximum Overrustle (link in... 0
#368 - angelusprimus (12/16/2013) [-]
You are forgetting one very important thing. Like most overly liberal people you are focusing on the person who committed the crime, and don't think of the victim at all. Or victim's family, friends and dependents.

Yeah, maybe with the right treatment he wouldn't do it again. But four people are still dead. Two paralyzed. Those people matter too. Its not just about him, its about his victims as well. He has created so much suffering, cut lives short. People DIED. He deserves some real suffering in return.

And I would accept social condemnation as a punishment. Except that's not how it works. Especially not for wealthy. In a month internet will forget all about him. His parents will move him to a new school, something expensive and elite, maybe on other coast, he will start using his middle name as first name and no one will know what he has done.

In a society that has an attention span of a fruit fly social condemnation is not a punishment.
#370 - catephant (12/19/2013) [-]
Okay, so punishment is not always achievable, but what is putting him in jail achieving? Solace for the family? No, not really, the solace they need best is for their lost member to be returned, which isn't possible, putting the culprit in prison when it wasn't that persons intention to harm that family is nonsensical, no truly good person would feel that they needed to be vindictive for an accident. Accidents don't make bad people, but condemning someone to prison makes that person bad and wishing a useless punishment on someone is plain stupid, and equally as bad as you are acting against what is best for society.

What you need to remember is that in today's world, we aren't about punishing the individual for the sake of one or two, rather we should be for benefiting society as a whole - and putting that person in prison would only lead to him committing more crimes (hence America's stupidly high secondary offence rates).
#371 - angelusprimus (12/19/2013) [-]
I'm sorry, but in my opinion its bleeding hearts like you that made our system so fucked up.
You people always just look at the perpertrator. And let me tell you something. Fuck him. Fuck people who kill because they are so irresponsible they don't give a shit at who they hurt. Fuck them. Yes, they should pay.
#372 - catephant (12/19/2013) [-]
It's people like me with bleeding hearts? I don't particularly care for the person in question at all, that isn't to say I therefore want to turn him into someone capable of intending to commit a crime, people like me don't make "our system" fucked up, I - at the very least as you aren't clear about who you are grouping me with - look at the prison system and see so many failings in it that can be resolved with systems that have already been tried (successfully) in other nations. That people such as yourself are so set in the system that was brought about in an era when we as a people knew no better is just daft (in my opinion).

On a side note, your entire last line made no sense, I look at the perpetrator? I assume you are mentioning your argument about the family, which I explained was based on the idea everyone is as backwards as yourself. The second part of that line? Calm down. The last part? I highly highly doubt anyone that kills due to irresponsible behaviour (and as such the death was accidental) "doesn't give a shit" as you so eloquently put it. I will tell you right now that they of all people will have the most remorse - because they never intended what did happen to happen.

So after all this, give me one GOOD reason why anyone should be put in prison for an accident when they are of no danger to society as long as they receive proper therapy? Unless your sole objective is to criminalise accidents and in turn create career criminals out of the irresponsible. If so, then you genuinely confuse me so much - how such a belief set can still exist in a modern and supposed civil world is beyond me.
#328 - Okay, so you are saying you would condemn someone to a place, …  [+] (6 new replies) 12/15/2013 on Maximum Overrustle (link in... 0
#330 - angelusprimus (12/15/2013) [-]
Rehabilitation is a good choice when dealing with minor crimes.
Robberies, minor dealing, fraud etc. It can be useful in minor violent cases like brawling or non fatal assault.
With crimes like serial rapists or child abusers, there is no rehabilitation. Those people should be permanently removed from society, or castrated. Because if they repeatedly commited crime like that, risk of them doing it again is too big to try to rehabilitate them.
With people who willingly endanger and take other people's lives, then we are talking about punishment. I don't care how sorry someone is, how rehabilitated, people have died. In this case four families lost their loved ones. Because he willingly decided to risk his and other people's lives because he wanted to have fun. That deserves punishment.
And with serial and mass killers, they should be executed. Not for punishment. But to remove them and the danger they pose from society, all society even prison one.
#367 - catephant (12/16/2013) [-]
I do not mean to sound like I am defending the people who do this, but rather I don't see the point in driving everyone who makes a bad decision into becoming even worse. Someone that drinks and drives will likely never do it again if they get given therapy, but someone who goes to prison (at least in American and English societies) will come out capable of doing things so so much worse. I would rather have those people contribute than just be a drain on society that commit further crimes. If you really want punishment, the fact that A) they have killed someone (or some people) when it was never their intention is going to make them feel bad for the rest of their lives, and B) society will look down on them for their actions, suffices as punishment in my opinion.

So all in all, you have a system that rehabilitates and provides useful citizens, or you
have a system that if you follow its logic through, anyone who makes a bad decision in it should in turn be imprisoned or executed. Which sounds like a fairer and more
justified system to you? I certainly feel more comfortable with the former.

Also, you really cannot compare those that make bad decisions with those that are capable of repeat murder or sexual abuse acts. Those people are indeed a different sort of criminal, but not one that ever person who has killed comes under. You can kill accidentally, or in a fit of rage that may never happen again if given the right treatment, where prison is certainly not going to work to fix.
#368 - angelusprimus (12/16/2013) [-]
You are forgetting one very important thing. Like most overly liberal people you are focusing on the person who committed the crime, and don't think of the victim at all. Or victim's family, friends and dependents.

Yeah, maybe with the right treatment he wouldn't do it again. But four people are still dead. Two paralyzed. Those people matter too. Its not just about him, its about his victims as well. He has created so much suffering, cut lives short. People DIED. He deserves some real suffering in return.

And I would accept social condemnation as a punishment. Except that's not how it works. Especially not for wealthy. In a month internet will forget all about him. His parents will move him to a new school, something expensive and elite, maybe on other coast, he will start using his middle name as first name and no one will know what he has done.

In a society that has an attention span of a fruit fly social condemnation is not a punishment.
#370 - catephant (12/19/2013) [-]
Okay, so punishment is not always achievable, but what is putting him in jail achieving? Solace for the family? No, not really, the solace they need best is for their lost member to be returned, which isn't possible, putting the culprit in prison when it wasn't that persons intention to harm that family is nonsensical, no truly good person would feel that they needed to be vindictive for an accident. Accidents don't make bad people, but condemning someone to prison makes that person bad and wishing a useless punishment on someone is plain stupid, and equally as bad as you are acting against what is best for society.

What you need to remember is that in today's world, we aren't about punishing the individual for the sake of one or two, rather we should be for benefiting society as a whole - and putting that person in prison would only lead to him committing more crimes (hence America's stupidly high secondary offence rates).
#371 - angelusprimus (12/19/2013) [-]
I'm sorry, but in my opinion its bleeding hearts like you that made our system so fucked up.
You people always just look at the perpertrator. And let me tell you something. Fuck him. Fuck people who kill because they are so irresponsible they don't give a shit at who they hurt. Fuck them. Yes, they should pay.
#372 - catephant (12/19/2013) [-]
It's people like me with bleeding hearts? I don't particularly care for the person in question at all, that isn't to say I therefore want to turn him into someone capable of intending to commit a crime, people like me don't make "our system" fucked up, I - at the very least as you aren't clear about who you are grouping me with - look at the prison system and see so many failings in it that can be resolved with systems that have already been tried (successfully) in other nations. That people such as yourself are so set in the system that was brought about in an era when we as a people knew no better is just daft (in my opinion).

On a side note, your entire last line made no sense, I look at the perpetrator? I assume you are mentioning your argument about the family, which I explained was based on the idea everyone is as backwards as yourself. The second part of that line? Calm down. The last part? I highly highly doubt anyone that kills due to irresponsible behaviour (and as such the death was accidental) "doesn't give a shit" as you so eloquently put it. I will tell you right now that they of all people will have the most remorse - because they never intended what did happen to happen.

So after all this, give me one GOOD reason why anyone should be put in prison for an accident when they are of no danger to society as long as they receive proper therapy? Unless your sole objective is to criminalise accidents and in turn create career criminals out of the irresponsible. If so, then you genuinely confuse me so much - how such a belief set can still exist in a modern and supposed civil world is beyond me.
#109 - It's not that I think this particular child ( **** …  [+] (8 new replies) 12/15/2013 on Maximum Overrustle (link in... 0
#135 - angelusprimus (12/15/2013) [-]
Killing someone when drunk driving is not an accident, and that needs to be changed in the law to manslaughter.
If you chose to drink knowing you will be driving, you deliberately make a choice to risk other people's lives with your reduced ability to drive. When you cause a crash or hit someone in that state you deliberately risked it. Its not an accident. And jail time should be mandatory.
#328 - catephant (12/15/2013) [-]
Okay, so you are saying you would condemn someone to a place, where when you come out you are only ever worse, rather than rehabilitate them so they can contribute to society to make up for what they did? Punishment doesn't reverse a crime, but rehabilitation at least makes and attempt to make restitution for what has occurred. And, look at it this way, rehabilitation isn't something to be taken lightly, you're still being punished both by restricted freedoms as well as the fact society will look down on you!
#330 - angelusprimus (12/15/2013) [-]
Rehabilitation is a good choice when dealing with minor crimes.
Robberies, minor dealing, fraud etc. It can be useful in minor violent cases like brawling or non fatal assault.
With crimes like serial rapists or child abusers, there is no rehabilitation. Those people should be permanently removed from society, or castrated. Because if they repeatedly commited crime like that, risk of them doing it again is too big to try to rehabilitate them.
With people who willingly endanger and take other people's lives, then we are talking about punishment. I don't care how sorry someone is, how rehabilitated, people have died. In this case four families lost their loved ones. Because he willingly decided to risk his and other people's lives because he wanted to have fun. That deserves punishment.
And with serial and mass killers, they should be executed. Not for punishment. But to remove them and the danger they pose from society, all society even prison one.
#367 - catephant (12/16/2013) [-]
I do not mean to sound like I am defending the people who do this, but rather I don't see the point in driving everyone who makes a bad decision into becoming even worse. Someone that drinks and drives will likely never do it again if they get given therapy, but someone who goes to prison (at least in American and English societies) will come out capable of doing things so so much worse. I would rather have those people contribute than just be a drain on society that commit further crimes. If you really want punishment, the fact that A) they have killed someone (or some people) when it was never their intention is going to make them feel bad for the rest of their lives, and B) society will look down on them for their actions, suffices as punishment in my opinion.

So all in all, you have a system that rehabilitates and provides useful citizens, or you
have a system that if you follow its logic through, anyone who makes a bad decision in it should in turn be imprisoned or executed. Which sounds like a fairer and more
justified system to you? I certainly feel more comfortable with the former.

Also, you really cannot compare those that make bad decisions with those that are capable of repeat murder or sexual abuse acts. Those people are indeed a different sort of criminal, but not one that ever person who has killed comes under. You can kill accidentally, or in a fit of rage that may never happen again if given the right treatment, where prison is certainly not going to work to fix.
#368 - angelusprimus (12/16/2013) [-]
You are forgetting one very important thing. Like most overly liberal people you are focusing on the person who committed the crime, and don't think of the victim at all. Or victim's family, friends and dependents.

Yeah, maybe with the right treatment he wouldn't do it again. But four people are still dead. Two paralyzed. Those people matter too. Its not just about him, its about his victims as well. He has created so much suffering, cut lives short. People DIED. He deserves some real suffering in return.

And I would accept social condemnation as a punishment. Except that's not how it works. Especially not for wealthy. In a month internet will forget all about him. His parents will move him to a new school, something expensive and elite, maybe on other coast, he will start using his middle name as first name and no one will know what he has done.

In a society that has an attention span of a fruit fly social condemnation is not a punishment.
#370 - catephant (12/19/2013) [-]
Okay, so punishment is not always achievable, but what is putting him in jail achieving? Solace for the family? No, not really, the solace they need best is for their lost member to be returned, which isn't possible, putting the culprit in prison when it wasn't that persons intention to harm that family is nonsensical, no truly good person would feel that they needed to be vindictive for an accident. Accidents don't make bad people, but condemning someone to prison makes that person bad and wishing a useless punishment on someone is plain stupid, and equally as bad as you are acting against what is best for society.

What you need to remember is that in today's world, we aren't about punishing the individual for the sake of one or two, rather we should be for benefiting society as a whole - and putting that person in prison would only lead to him committing more crimes (hence America's stupidly high secondary offence rates).
#371 - angelusprimus (12/19/2013) [-]
I'm sorry, but in my opinion its bleeding hearts like you that made our system so fucked up.
You people always just look at the perpertrator. And let me tell you something. Fuck him. Fuck people who kill because they are so irresponsible they don't give a shit at who they hurt. Fuck them. Yes, they should pay.
#372 - catephant (12/19/2013) [-]
It's people like me with bleeding hearts? I don't particularly care for the person in question at all, that isn't to say I therefore want to turn him into someone capable of intending to commit a crime, people like me don't make "our system" fucked up, I - at the very least as you aren't clear about who you are grouping me with - look at the prison system and see so many failings in it that can be resolved with systems that have already been tried (successfully) in other nations. That people such as yourself are so set in the system that was brought about in an era when we as a people knew no better is just daft (in my opinion).

On a side note, your entire last line made no sense, I look at the perpetrator? I assume you are mentioning your argument about the family, which I explained was based on the idea everyone is as backwards as yourself. The second part of that line? Calm down. The last part? I highly highly doubt anyone that kills due to irresponsible behaviour (and as such the death was accidental) "doesn't give a shit" as you so eloquently put it. I will tell you right now that they of all people will have the most remorse - because they never intended what did happen to happen.

So after all this, give me one GOOD reason why anyone should be put in prison for an accident when they are of no danger to society as long as they receive proper therapy? Unless your sole objective is to criminalise accidents and in turn create career criminals out of the irresponsible. If so, then you genuinely confuse me so much - how such a belief set can still exist in a modern and supposed civil world is beyond me.
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