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#44 - Sure, but you're just passing the buck. Is everyone to the lef…  [+] (5 replies) 06/03/2016 on SJW comp: Brexit save the... +6
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#48 - lotengo (06/03/2016) [-]
It could get lost in transltion because what we in the Netherlands consider our most rightwinged party is probably in between Hillary and Hernie.

Right used to mean low taxes and a small welfare state, and left the oposite, wanting change and sticking up for the working class. But that has switched in many ways, the 1% vote liberal as the left has abandoned the working class.

In the terms we use you can be considered a conservative liberal, but we need to redefine the terms or come with new ones. Because they are losing meaning.

But yea, conservative liberal is probably what you are. Its a multidimentional thing. Not just left and right, and thats the downside of the US system, you can only vote in 1 dimention. This is assuming you are American
#52 - bokkos (06/03/2016) [-]
I'm Canadian; and I know what you mean by the multiple dimensions of the political spectrum. I like the political compass visualization personally, as I think it accommodates most political philosophies. I'd say I'm in the bottom left quadrant, although I treat social and economic issues differently (full libertarian for social; regulated free enterprise for economic).

I guess my point is this: both of us have noticed there are elements of the left wing that are becoming toxic to society, in the way right wing elements have been for a while now. I realize there are a lot of historical leftist groups that were problematic, but I'm referring to the last 20 years generally I've even stopped referring myself to a progressive, and used the term liberal more to denote I'm further "right" than some of these assholes.

But my question is this: We absolutely need conservatives to help denounce and destroy these elements, the same way conservatives need the left to rid them of their fascist elements; why not cooperate and call out the Regressives by their new title? Because I guarantee you and I agree on policy more than I would with them.
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#53 - lotengo (06/03/2016) [-]
Are you stating that facism is a right wing thing or conservative thing? Because its not.
Hitler was a liberal actually. And Mao, Staling, Pol Pot, Jong-Un are as left as it gets.

I do think there needs to be balance between the traditional 'left and right' but the west in general has gone a whole lot to the left since 1970. We could use a whole lot of 'right' right now to balance it out.
You might think I'm just shitposting but its true do
true do
trudeau
great example of just being to progressive liberal.
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#54 - bokkos (06/03/2016) [-]
Well, if you were to call Hitler Or Mao, or Pol Pot, or for god's sake Kim Jong-Un a liberal, I'd definitely say you're shitposting. Fascism is the authoritarian right; it seems similar to communism authoritarian left due to the excessive amount of top-down control from the government, but it is solidly a right-wing ideology. If it wasn't, why weren't Nazi Germany and Stalinist USSR natural allies Requiring a non-aggression treaty that was summarily ignored , but Italy (fascist) and Japan (theocratic fascist) were?
Hitler was 100% a fascist; the Party may have been called the National Socialist German Workers' Party, but it did not meet any of the criteria for being socialist.
I'm kind of disappointed actually; I thought this might be a quality exchange but it crashed and burned pretty quickly
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#55 - lotengo (06/03/2016) [-]
Hitler had a big welfare state, enviormental freak, animal rights its not all bad, but they are all very liberal stances corporate taxes where sky high in nazi Germany
#33 - >"liberal logic" >Couldn't even define a v…  [+] (7 replies) 06/03/2016 on SJW comp: Brexit save the... +6
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#37 - lotengo (06/03/2016) [-]
progressive liberalism, whatever
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#44 - bokkos (06/03/2016) [-]
Sure, but you're just passing the buck. Is everyone to the left of you simply a "liberal" or a progressive" one at that? Furthermore, you are aware that the term iiberal is really only a perjorative in the USA; in the rest of the developed world, liberal is a pretty extensive and broad political ideology.

For eg.: I suppose I'd classify myself as a liberal minded person, verging on socialism. But I think the far left's smearing of people as "Islamophobes", racists, and "misogynists" is overdone and usually fictitious. Do I fall into your hated category of "them liberals"?
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#48 - lotengo (06/03/2016) [-]
It could get lost in transltion because what we in the Netherlands consider our most rightwinged party is probably in between Hillary and Hernie.

Right used to mean low taxes and a small welfare state, and left the oposite, wanting change and sticking up for the working class. But that has switched in many ways, the 1% vote liberal as the left has abandoned the working class.

In the terms we use you can be considered a conservative liberal, but we need to redefine the terms or come with new ones. Because they are losing meaning.

But yea, conservative liberal is probably what you are. Its a multidimentional thing. Not just left and right, and thats the downside of the US system, you can only vote in 1 dimention. This is assuming you are American
#52 - bokkos (06/03/2016) [-]
I'm Canadian; and I know what you mean by the multiple dimensions of the political spectrum. I like the political compass visualization personally, as I think it accommodates most political philosophies. I'd say I'm in the bottom left quadrant, although I treat social and economic issues differently (full libertarian for social; regulated free enterprise for economic).

I guess my point is this: both of us have noticed there are elements of the left wing that are becoming toxic to society, in the way right wing elements have been for a while now. I realize there are a lot of historical leftist groups that were problematic, but I'm referring to the last 20 years generally I've even stopped referring myself to a progressive, and used the term liberal more to denote I'm further "right" than some of these assholes.

But my question is this: We absolutely need conservatives to help denounce and destroy these elements, the same way conservatives need the left to rid them of their fascist elements; why not cooperate and call out the Regressives by their new title? Because I guarantee you and I agree on policy more than I would with them.
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#53 - lotengo (06/03/2016) [-]
Are you stating that facism is a right wing thing or conservative thing? Because its not.
Hitler was a liberal actually. And Mao, Staling, Pol Pot, Jong-Un are as left as it gets.

I do think there needs to be balance between the traditional 'left and right' but the west in general has gone a whole lot to the left since 1970. We could use a whole lot of 'right' right now to balance it out.
You might think I'm just shitposting but its true do
true do
trudeau
great example of just being to progressive liberal.
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#54 - bokkos (06/03/2016) [-]
Well, if you were to call Hitler Or Mao, or Pol Pot, or for god's sake Kim Jong-Un a liberal, I'd definitely say you're shitposting. Fascism is the authoritarian right; it seems similar to communism authoritarian left due to the excessive amount of top-down control from the government, but it is solidly a right-wing ideology. If it wasn't, why weren't Nazi Germany and Stalinist USSR natural allies Requiring a non-aggression treaty that was summarily ignored , but Italy (fascist) and Japan (theocratic fascist) were?
Hitler was 100% a fascist; the Party may have been called the National Socialist German Workers' Party, but it did not meet any of the criteria for being socialist.
I'm kind of disappointed actually; I thought this might be a quality exchange but it crashed and burned pretty quickly
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#55 - lotengo (06/03/2016) [-]
Hitler had a big welfare state, enviormental freak, animal rights its not all bad, but they are all very liberal stances corporate taxes where sky high in nazi Germany
#12 - Dig, dig, diggin' that hole  [+] (4 replies) 06/03/2016 on Fuck it I'm on one +6
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#16 - theugandanhero (06/03/2016) [-]
Gee what a wholesome thing to add to the argument
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#13 - venomousvalentine (06/03/2016) [-]
I personally agree with him.
If he gets it cheap, then he gets it cheap.
#26 - skatin (06/03/2016) [-]
I really don't get why I got red thumbed for saying that. Wherever he lives, Patron is expensive. It isn't in the USA. It is VERY cheap.
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#45 - venomousvalentine (06/03/2016) [-]
I agree with you.
#34 - Yeah its a webm. It repeats, you're not forced to watch it tha…  [+] (1 reply) 05/31/2016 on Science bitch +13
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#52 - ehmkai (05/31/2016) [-]
Made me laugh even more than content!
#15 - What's /B/?  [+] (1 reply) 05/25/2016 on Multicultural Celebration -2
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#28 - goodguygary (05/25/2016) [-]
the capitalized second letter of the alphabet placed in between two backslashes
#93 - Pros: Pulled the US economy out of the dumpster and grew it su…  [+] (1 reply) 05/03/2016 on Prez got GAME +3
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#97 - sherlockbatman (05/03/2016) [-]
he did decriminalize weed...