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#54 - Well, if you were to call Hitler Or Mao, or Pol Pot, or …  [+] (1 new reply) 06/03/2016 on SJW comp: Brexit save the... +1
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#55 - lotengo (06/03/2016) [-]
Hitler had a big welfare state, enviormental freak, animal rights its not all bad, but they are all very liberal stances corporate taxes where sky high in nazi Germany
#52 - I'm Canadian; and I know what you mean by the multiple dimensi…  [+] (3 new replies) 06/03/2016 on SJW comp: Brexit save the... +2
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#53 - lotengo (06/03/2016) [-]
Are you stating that facism is a right wing thing or conservative thing? Because its not.
Hitler was a liberal actually. And Mao, Staling, Pol Pot, Jong-Un are as left as it gets.

I do think there needs to be balance between the traditional 'left and right' but the west in general has gone a whole lot to the left since 1970. We could use a whole lot of 'right' right now to balance it out.
You might think I'm just shitposting but its true do
true do
trudeau
great example of just being to progressive liberal.
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#54 - bokkos (06/03/2016) [-]
Well, if you were to call Hitler Or Mao, or Pol Pot, or for god's sake Kim Jong-Un a liberal, I'd definitely say you're shitposting. Fascism is the authoritarian right; it seems similar to communism authoritarian left due to the excessive amount of top-down control from the government, but it is solidly a right-wing ideology. If it wasn't, why weren't Nazi Germany and Stalinist USSR natural allies Requiring a non-aggression treaty that was summarily ignored , but Italy (fascist) and Japan (theocratic fascist) were?
Hitler was 100% a fascist; the Party may have been called the National Socialist German Workers' Party, but it did not meet any of the criteria for being socialist.
I'm kind of disappointed actually; I thought this might be a quality exchange but it crashed and burned pretty quickly
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#55 - lotengo (06/03/2016) [-]
Hitler had a big welfare state, enviormental freak, animal rights its not all bad, but they are all very liberal stances corporate taxes where sky high in nazi Germany
#49 - I don't think you're really clear on what you're talking about… 06/03/2016 on SJW comp: Brexit save the... +1
#45 - Right, but if you'd identify as a Catholic, yet don't go to ma…  [+] (1 new reply) 06/03/2016 on SJW comp: Brexit save the... +6
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#212 - ruderoody (06/04/2016) [-]
I mean I'm left leaning but I feel like Freedom of speech isn't really a liberal or leftist value but more a moderate value, too far either direction and you get people who start fighting against basic human liberties because they know the majority of people would disagree with their "vision" of the world.
#44 - Sure, but you're just passing the buck. Is everyone to the lef…  [+] (7 new replies) 06/03/2016 on SJW comp: Brexit save the... +6
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#48 - lotengo (06/03/2016) [-]
It could get lost in transltion because what we in the Netherlands consider our most rightwinged party is probably in between Hillary and Hernie.

Right used to mean low taxes and a small welfare state, and left the oposite, wanting change and sticking up for the working class. But that has switched in many ways, the 1% vote liberal as the left has abandoned the working class.

In the terms we use you can be considered a conservative liberal, but we need to redefine the terms or come with new ones. Because they are losing meaning.

But yea, conservative liberal is probably what you are. Its a multidimentional thing. Not just left and right, and thats the downside of the US system, you can only vote in 1 dimention. This is assuming you are American
#52 - bokkos (06/03/2016) [-]
I'm Canadian; and I know what you mean by the multiple dimensions of the political spectrum. I like the political compass visualization personally, as I think it accommodates most political philosophies. I'd say I'm in the bottom left quadrant, although I treat social and economic issues differently (full libertarian for social; regulated free enterprise for economic).

I guess my point is this: both of us have noticed there are elements of the left wing that are becoming toxic to society, in the way right wing elements have been for a while now. I realize there are a lot of historical leftist groups that were problematic, but I'm referring to the last 20 years generally I've even stopped referring myself to a progressive, and used the term liberal more to denote I'm further "right" than some of these assholes.

But my question is this: We absolutely need conservatives to help denounce and destroy these elements, the same way conservatives need the left to rid them of their fascist elements; why not cooperate and call out the Regressives by their new title? Because I guarantee you and I agree on policy more than I would with them.
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#53 - lotengo (06/03/2016) [-]
Are you stating that facism is a right wing thing or conservative thing? Because its not.
Hitler was a liberal actually. And Mao, Staling, Pol Pot, Jong-Un are as left as it gets.

I do think there needs to be balance between the traditional 'left and right' but the west in general has gone a whole lot to the left since 1970. We could use a whole lot of 'right' right now to balance it out.
You might think I'm just shitposting but its true do
true do
trudeau
great example of just being to progressive liberal.
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#54 - bokkos (06/03/2016) [-]
Well, if you were to call Hitler Or Mao, or Pol Pot, or for god's sake Kim Jong-Un a liberal, I'd definitely say you're shitposting. Fascism is the authoritarian right; it seems similar to communism authoritarian left due to the excessive amount of top-down control from the government, but it is solidly a right-wing ideology. If it wasn't, why weren't Nazi Germany and Stalinist USSR natural allies Requiring a non-aggression treaty that was summarily ignored , but Italy (fascist) and Japan (theocratic fascist) were?
Hitler was 100% a fascist; the Party may have been called the National Socialist German Workers' Party, but it did not meet any of the criteria for being socialist.
I'm kind of disappointed actually; I thought this might be a quality exchange but it crashed and burned pretty quickly
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#55 - lotengo (06/03/2016) [-]
Hitler had a big welfare state, enviormental freak, animal rights its not all bad, but they are all very liberal stances corporate taxes where sky high in nazi Germany
#46 - anon (06/03/2016) [-]
Actual libertarians are good.

"Liberals" who have hijacked the term, or "progressive liberals" as he put it are the actual problem being referred to.
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#49 - bokkos (06/03/2016) [-]
I don't think you're really clear on what you're talking about; liberals didn't "hijack" the term, and classical liberalism was very lessaiz-faire in terms of social and economic issues. As it evolved through the 19th and 20th centuries, it came to coalesce around human rights as described by Enlightenment thinkers, and so became the ideology it is today. In fact, modern Conservatism has in many ways "plagiarized" early liberal thought, such as individual freedom and freedom of speech; although today, organizations like the Republican party ultimately strive to do the exact opposite.
#33 - >"liberal logic" >Couldn't even define a v…  [+] (12 new replies) 06/03/2016 on SJW comp: Brexit save the... +6
#38 - anon (06/03/2016) [-]
>an overwhelming amount of people subscribing to this ideology refer to themselves as liberals

>"Stop calling them liberals!"

Stop playing dumb dude.
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#45 - bokkos (06/03/2016) [-]
Right, but if you'd identify as a Catholic, yet don't go to mass or utilize a rosary, you're further from the definition of a Catholic than someone who does. A true liberal should stand for liberal values 100% of the time (such as free speech); a lot of these people don't, so I can comfortably claim they are using the term incorrectly.
Personally, I refer to them as regressives or authoritarian leftists, and in my eyes they are equally as horrid as their reciprocal far right ideologies.
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#212 - ruderoody (06/04/2016) [-]
I mean I'm left leaning but I feel like Freedom of speech isn't really a liberal or leftist value but more a moderate value, too far either direction and you get people who start fighting against basic human liberties because they know the majority of people would disagree with their "vision" of the world.
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#37 - lotengo (06/03/2016) [-]
progressive liberalism, whatever
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#44 - bokkos (06/03/2016) [-]
Sure, but you're just passing the buck. Is everyone to the left of you simply a "liberal" or a progressive" one at that? Furthermore, you are aware that the term iiberal is really only a perjorative in the USA; in the rest of the developed world, liberal is a pretty extensive and broad political ideology.

For eg.: I suppose I'd classify myself as a liberal minded person, verging on socialism. But I think the far left's smearing of people as "Islamophobes", racists, and "misogynists" is overdone and usually fictitious. Do I fall into your hated category of "them liberals"?
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#48 - lotengo (06/03/2016) [-]
It could get lost in transltion because what we in the Netherlands consider our most rightwinged party is probably in between Hillary and Hernie.

Right used to mean low taxes and a small welfare state, and left the oposite, wanting change and sticking up for the working class. But that has switched in many ways, the 1% vote liberal as the left has abandoned the working class.

In the terms we use you can be considered a conservative liberal, but we need to redefine the terms or come with new ones. Because they are losing meaning.

But yea, conservative liberal is probably what you are. Its a multidimentional thing. Not just left and right, and thats the downside of the US system, you can only vote in 1 dimention. This is assuming you are American
#52 - bokkos (06/03/2016) [-]
I'm Canadian; and I know what you mean by the multiple dimensions of the political spectrum. I like the political compass visualization personally, as I think it accommodates most political philosophies. I'd say I'm in the bottom left quadrant, although I treat social and economic issues differently (full libertarian for social; regulated free enterprise for economic).

I guess my point is this: both of us have noticed there are elements of the left wing that are becoming toxic to society, in the way right wing elements have been for a while now. I realize there are a lot of historical leftist groups that were problematic, but I'm referring to the last 20 years generally I've even stopped referring myself to a progressive, and used the term liberal more to denote I'm further "right" than some of these assholes.

But my question is this: We absolutely need conservatives to help denounce and destroy these elements, the same way conservatives need the left to rid them of their fascist elements; why not cooperate and call out the Regressives by their new title? Because I guarantee you and I agree on policy more than I would with them.
User avatar
#53 - lotengo (06/03/2016) [-]
Are you stating that facism is a right wing thing or conservative thing? Because its not.
Hitler was a liberal actually. And Mao, Staling, Pol Pot, Jong-Un are as left as it gets.

I do think there needs to be balance between the traditional 'left and right' but the west in general has gone a whole lot to the left since 1970. We could use a whole lot of 'right' right now to balance it out.
You might think I'm just shitposting but its true do
true do
trudeau
great example of just being to progressive liberal.
User avatar
#54 - bokkos (06/03/2016) [-]
Well, if you were to call Hitler Or Mao, or Pol Pot, or for god's sake Kim Jong-Un a liberal, I'd definitely say you're shitposting. Fascism is the authoritarian right; it seems similar to communism authoritarian left due to the excessive amount of top-down control from the government, but it is solidly a right-wing ideology. If it wasn't, why weren't Nazi Germany and Stalinist USSR natural allies Requiring a non-aggression treaty that was summarily ignored , but Italy (fascist) and Japan (theocratic fascist) were?
Hitler was 100% a fascist; the Party may have been called the National Socialist German Workers' Party, but it did not meet any of the criteria for being socialist.
I'm kind of disappointed actually; I thought this might be a quality exchange but it crashed and burned pretty quickly
User avatar
#55 - lotengo (06/03/2016) [-]
Hitler had a big welfare state, enviormental freak, animal rights its not all bad, but they are all very liberal stances corporate taxes where sky high in nazi Germany
#46 - anon (06/03/2016) [-]
Actual libertarians are good.

"Liberals" who have hijacked the term, or "progressive liberals" as he put it are the actual problem being referred to.
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#49 - bokkos (06/03/2016) [-]
I don't think you're really clear on what you're talking about; liberals didn't "hijack" the term, and classical liberalism was very lessaiz-faire in terms of social and economic issues. As it evolved through the 19th and 20th centuries, it came to coalesce around human rights as described by Enlightenment thinkers, and so became the ideology it is today. In fact, modern Conservatism has in many ways "plagiarized" early liberal thought, such as individual freedom and freedom of speech; although today, organizations like the Republican party ultimately strive to do the exact opposite.
#12 - Dig, dig, diggin' that hole  [+] (4 new replies) 06/03/2016 on Fuck it I'm on one +6
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#16 - theugandanhero (06/03/2016) [-]
Gee what a wholesome thing to add to the argument
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#13 - venomousvalentine (06/03/2016) [-]
I personally agree with him.
If he gets it cheap, then he gets it cheap.
#26 - skatin (06/03/2016) [-]
I really don't get why I got red thumbed for saying that. Wherever he lives, Patron is expensive. It isn't in the USA. It is VERY cheap.
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#45 - venomousvalentine (06/03/2016) [-]
I agree with you.
#34 - Yeah its a webm. It repeats, you're not forced to watch it tha…  [+] (1 new reply) 05/31/2016 on Science bitch +13
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#52 - ehmkai (05/31/2016) [-]
Made me laugh even more than content!
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