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#33896 - The justice system is not to determine innocence or guilt, it'…  [+] (31 new replies) 06/10/2013 on Politics - politics news,... 0
User avatar #33931 - undeadwill (06/10/2013) [-]
Gun rights also help with national defense, hunting, self defense and can be used to protect citizens from government.

And before you "But government has tanks and nukes how can you beat that?" One they wouldn't nuke their own land to deal with a revolution then anyone who was one their side would abandon them. And two the Taliban, Viet Kong and other rebel groups didn't have a problem with dealing with tanks.

And yes all because of our precious freedom because there are something more valuable than life.
User avatar #34051 - beatmasterz (06/11/2013) [-]
Oh. So you think that the gov gave you the weapons to defend yourself from them? The government can defeat the citizens easily. We are not the viet cong, and tanks are not made to nuke. Also there are more ways. The gov can cut import, to starve the citizens, it can take away your electricity or water, and many more ways. But that's all not going to happen. Because, really? Our political system is made to defend the government from the citizens and I think yours is too.
#34056 - undeadwill (06/11/2013) [-]
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Oh. So you think that the gov gave you the weapons to defend yourself from them? The government can defeat the citizens easily. We are not the viet cong, and tanks are not made to nuke. Also there are more ways.

>Capitalism
[big>Capitalism
>Capitalism[big]
>CAPITALISM YOU FUCKING MORON

Government doesn't hand out shit. Read my hairy evolved ape lips
We.
Buy.
Our.
Guns.

Get it yet?

And I was saying they would NOT nuke their own land. Not that tanks can nuke. (Did you even read my comment?)

And they can't cut off water because they don't own the water, can't cut off the water because they don't own the power plant. And if we don't pay taxes they will starve to death.

Faggot do you even capitalism?
User avatar #34060 - beatmasterz (06/11/2013) [-]
Okay, you got me, the government can't do shit. So why the fuck would you feel the need to arm yourself against them?
#34062 - undeadwill (06/11/2013) [-]
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Oh I don't know...
User avatar #33927 - undeadwill (06/10/2013) [-]
Where the fuck do you live that there is not a single country dirt road?

And if the justice system is there to punish the guilty it should protect the victim of the robbery and allow him to protect himself.
I'm sorry. I don't care if Hitler pulled a kitten down from a tree its the part about "killing me" that worries me not that "oh I'm sure he was a good guy" I don't care if he shoot because I might know who he is or because he's insane the fact remains that he did it. Morality is not the question.

Its not hardcore to shoot trespassers (Which makes me wonder what kind of TV have you been watching) Its murder but if it someone who is willing to disobey the foundation of our society by violating someone's private and personal property by force.

Also "Give" you keep using that word. We are not Switzerland you BUY guns. And encourage? How? By not redistributing wealth? By stealing from other people who actually work to give to those who refuse to and would rather burglarize houses?

And also look at England and Mexico. How peaceful are they? Both have damn near eliminated guns. Both are insanely violent. Mexico is known for well for the violent drug war and England is the most violent nation in the EU.

And the issue was lethal force NOT guns. Seems to me the issue to you is about guns not a legality of self defense. So tell me what is the issue here? Gun control or legality of self defense?

And the second amendment is just as important then as it is today. Did you know that the first successful civil rights protest in the south during the civil rights movement was protected by an armed militia?
User avatar #34052 - beatmasterz (06/11/2013) [-]
Armed "militia", not armed citizens. Also Mexico is a terrible comparison. Why not choose somalia or north korea while we're at it? But if you take a look at the Netherlands, France, Belgium, Luxemburg, Germany, Scandinavia, Italy and more countries, you see that violence with weapons is not a problem there. Because we don't need it.
You people don't have weapons because it's effective, because it helps the nation or any of that stuff. You have it because it symbolises your precious freedom and every president knows that if it wants to take that away, everybody is going to hate him.
User avatar #34055 - undeadwill (06/11/2013) [-]
A militia is a group of ARMED CITIZENS what the fuck did you think it was?

I chose Mexico because it is a prime example of what America is without gun control they have all of the same problems as us to the extreme but have completely banned guns.

Yeah but many of those countries had low crimes before the gun ban. While Switzerland which has one of the highest levels of gun ownership has very low crime.

Want to know why America has such a problem with violence? No mental health system and a massive problem with gangs and drug wars. Something you'd be hard pressed to find in those other countries.

And that freedom to bear arms has protected many other freedoms throughout time. And the reason why we fight for our freedom so much is because we know gun control doesn't work and because we know once you lose your freedoms you never get them back.
User avatar #34063 - beatmasterz (06/11/2013) [-]
You can't throw all the countries over one side. America is not the same as Switzerland. America is a melting pot of different cultures, ethnic groups and opinions.
Also the freedom part is completely bullshit. America is associated with freedom because it fought themselves from the british and started a new nation. America has the biggest prison, and the most incarcerated people. The government and the fbi can retrieve every bit of information about you. You can't even marry as a gay person or have an abortion. So don't lecture me about freedom, when america is one of the most conservative, conventional countries in the western world.
And guns are only legal because they represent said "freedom" and no american wants to give them away.
User avatar #34064 - undeadwill (06/11/2013) [-]
We also won independence from Mexico. (Texas) First thing they did was try to take the guns away from settlers we had used to defend against Indian raids.

So because the other freedoms are oppressed we should dump right in and give government the rest of them? What kind of logic is that? I lost a finger so lets take the whole hand? What the fuck are you smoking?
"And in some states you can marry a gay person, have an abortion and smoke pot so please save the American hypocrisy."

Btw freedom isn't just an American value it belongs to everyone.
User avatar #34065 - beatmasterz (06/11/2013) [-]
Sure it belongs to everyone, but a truly free person doesn't have to keep saying "I'm free!" Just like a true king doesn't have to say "I'm the king!"
User avatar #34066 - undeadwill (06/11/2013) [-]
>implying I'm like that.
>Implying allot of Americans are like that.
User avatar #34067 - beatmasterz (06/11/2013) [-]
Of course a lot of Americans are like that. Where do you think the stereotype comes from? Even now you're defending it.
User avatar #34171 - undeadwill (06/11/2013) [-]
The money in America is back up by nothing. It. is. worthless.

Government spent billions of dollars on bailing out the banks.

Yes they are facts.
I've been debating allot longer than you have kiddo.
User avatar #34184 - beatmasterz (06/11/2013) [-]
And yet you should know better than to ad hominem your contester, kiddo.
User avatar #34158 - undeadwill (06/11/2013) [-]
Because they know they can print more more money that is worth nothing. And they expected and were bailed out by government which should have let them fail.

Government caused the problem and the banks responded to make money dangerously because they knew there was no way to fail.
User avatar #34159 - beatmasterz (06/11/2013) [-]
Are those all facts or is that just baseless conjecture?
User avatar #34149 - undeadwill (06/11/2013) [-]
You mean crony capitalism of taking people's money and giving it to campaign supporters?
Government caused the collapse by regulating a monopolizing the federal reserve, giving out funds for things that only increased the costs of those services, starting wars it couldn't pay for and etc.
User avatar #34152 - beatmasterz (06/11/2013) [-]
Well sure. But the bankers lost all their money.
User avatar #34141 - undeadwill (06/11/2013) [-]
Or government will just keep spending like it always does. Government dug itself in, it can dig itself out.

If the private sector spending money leads to economic growth then why would increase taxes and regulation?

And government can't create jobs it can only lower regulations. Business invests back into the economy not government.
User avatar #34142 - beatmasterz (06/11/2013) [-]
The government can stimulate businesses and economic growth with certain laws. It's also not really the gov's fault of the crisis. It's the bank's. And I'm not sure it can dig itself out again.
User avatar #34136 - undeadwill (06/11/2013) [-]
Higher taxes will solve nothing but pay for governments credit cards for the sole reason it leads to more spending.

And say we did increase taxes? What good would it do? where would they go? After all you we have to cut spending.
User avatar #34139 - beatmasterz (06/11/2013) [-]
We use it to pay back our massive debts and interests. Which means we gradually can invest in our country again, create jobs, make people secure again, which leads to the private sector spending money, which leads to the healing of the economy.
User avatar #34129 - undeadwill (06/11/2013) [-]
So is that price higher taxes that the government would waste anyway because its on a spending spree addiction? And would cause the private sector to be crippled?
User avatar #34131 - beatmasterz (06/11/2013) [-]
Yes, that's how solving a crisis works. You increase taxes and decrease spending. You're right, it seems that the gov seems to have problems with the second part.
User avatar #34119 - undeadwill (06/11/2013) [-]
The economic crisis was the fault of the Federal Reserve a private bank that is given a monopoly by government regulation that they are the only one allowed to pint money.

Ummm... Did you know that?
I can pay my bills? Same with a lot of people here?
And some people choose not to because its cheaper when you don't use insurance? (One doctor refuses to take insurance and his costs went down by half)
User avatar #34126 - beatmasterz (06/11/2013) [-]
I am well aware of the crisis. I'm not saying it's the fault of the ordinary citizen (although they're not completely without blame), I'm just saying they will have to pay the price, like always.
User avatar #34106 - undeadwill (06/11/2013) [-]
Not really. Everyone here is going "Fuck where did the freedom go?"
User avatar #34115 - beatmasterz (06/11/2013) [-]
Not realising they're in an economical crisis and they have to chip in a bit. Also, if by freedom you mean unpayable health care, meaning you can't ever get sick or you're screwed, I wouldn't mind getting rid of a bit of that freedom.
User avatar #34069 - undeadwill (06/11/2013) [-]
>All black people love fried chicken, are dirt poor, and near retarded.
>All eurofags are stuck up, have a superiority complex and are high on their own farts while lacking anything really to feel so high and mighty about.
>All red necks are married to their cousin or sister


Where do you think the stereotypes come from?
User avatar #34103 - beatmasterz (06/11/2013) [-]
There are more proud americans preaching about their freedom than there are black people who constantly eat fried chicken or asians who do karate and math. You can't deny that.
#33837 - Because that's not why we have laws. Because you kill a person…  [+] (33 new replies) 06/10/2013 on Politics - politics news,... 0
User avatar #33839 - undeadwill (06/10/2013) [-]
Again. Don't know the guy. Just know that he's trying to steal from my family not his family.And again. I don't read minds and if I did I wouldn't want to bet my life on it.

"Criminals are not cold blooded killers" Again you don't know that and if that is the case who legalized murder? Because cold blooded killers are criminals.

Also what I may or may not call you does not validate your stance on this subject.

And again the police can take hours to show up in some places. At best 20 minutes.

The alternative is to charge people with murder when they defend their homes even against murders who would seek to harm them.

Citizens are protecting themselves, the criminal justice system is meant to determine innocence or guilt, but the citizen can already see that person is trespassing.
User avatar #33896 - beatmasterz (06/10/2013) [-]
The justice system is not to determine innocence or guilt, it's to punish the guilty, ask any lawyer how often a defendant gets dismissed, its not often. Also, in my country the police takes about 5 minutes to get at the crime scene. Try to robb a house in 5 minutes.
There are no cold-blooded killers just like there are not stoic heroes who save kittens from trees. The world is not a fairytale. People have certain motives for their actions. Ghandi did bad stuff and Hitler did good stuff, morality is a huge grey area.
I know that guns are "cool" and that it's hardcore to shoot any trespassers, but it's not a sensible way to deal with it. In europe you never hear stories about lunatics shooting up schools or some poor sucker that got shot because he was in an argument. Why do you think? Becuase not everyone carries a .44 under his belt. We don't need violence to resolve conflicts. Don't you think it's more effective to try to help poor people get food, shelter, medical care and education so that they won't burglarise a house? But no, instead you give the populus guns and encourage them to shoot each other. All because of your precious freedom. The second amendment was written in the time that the british retaliating on the patriots was an actual threat and they wanted to prevent that by arming the citizens. That's not relevant anymore.
User avatar #33931 - undeadwill (06/10/2013) [-]
Gun rights also help with national defense, hunting, self defense and can be used to protect citizens from government.

And before you "But government has tanks and nukes how can you beat that?" One they wouldn't nuke their own land to deal with a revolution then anyone who was one their side would abandon them. And two the Taliban, Viet Kong and other rebel groups didn't have a problem with dealing with tanks.

And yes all because of our precious freedom because there are something more valuable than life.
User avatar #34051 - beatmasterz (06/11/2013) [-]
Oh. So you think that the gov gave you the weapons to defend yourself from them? The government can defeat the citizens easily. We are not the viet cong, and tanks are not made to nuke. Also there are more ways. The gov can cut import, to starve the citizens, it can take away your electricity or water, and many more ways. But that's all not going to happen. Because, really? Our political system is made to defend the government from the citizens and I think yours is too.
#34056 - undeadwill (06/11/2013) [-]
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Oh. So you think that the gov gave you the weapons to defend yourself from them? The government can defeat the citizens easily. We are not the viet cong, and tanks are not made to nuke. Also there are more ways.

>Capitalism
[big>Capitalism
>Capitalism[big]
>CAPITALISM YOU FUCKING MORON

Government doesn't hand out shit. Read my hairy evolved ape lips
We.
Buy.
Our.
Guns.

Get it yet?

And I was saying they would NOT nuke their own land. Not that tanks can nuke. (Did you even read my comment?)

And they can't cut off water because they don't own the water, can't cut off the water because they don't own the power plant. And if we don't pay taxes they will starve to death.

Faggot do you even capitalism?
User avatar #34060 - beatmasterz (06/11/2013) [-]
Okay, you got me, the government can't do shit. So why the fuck would you feel the need to arm yourself against them?
#34062 - undeadwill (06/11/2013) [-]
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Oh I don't know...
User avatar #33927 - undeadwill (06/10/2013) [-]
Where the fuck do you live that there is not a single country dirt road?

And if the justice system is there to punish the guilty it should protect the victim of the robbery and allow him to protect himself.
I'm sorry. I don't care if Hitler pulled a kitten down from a tree its the part about "killing me" that worries me not that "oh I'm sure he was a good guy" I don't care if he shoot because I might know who he is or because he's insane the fact remains that he did it. Morality is not the question.

Its not hardcore to shoot trespassers (Which makes me wonder what kind of TV have you been watching) Its murder but if it someone who is willing to disobey the foundation of our society by violating someone's private and personal property by force.

Also "Give" you keep using that word. We are not Switzerland you BUY guns. And encourage? How? By not redistributing wealth? By stealing from other people who actually work to give to those who refuse to and would rather burglarize houses?

And also look at England and Mexico. How peaceful are they? Both have damn near eliminated guns. Both are insanely violent. Mexico is known for well for the violent drug war and England is the most violent nation in the EU.

And the issue was lethal force NOT guns. Seems to me the issue to you is about guns not a legality of self defense. So tell me what is the issue here? Gun control or legality of self defense?

And the second amendment is just as important then as it is today. Did you know that the first successful civil rights protest in the south during the civil rights movement was protected by an armed militia?
User avatar #34052 - beatmasterz (06/11/2013) [-]
Armed "militia", not armed citizens. Also Mexico is a terrible comparison. Why not choose somalia or north korea while we're at it? But if you take a look at the Netherlands, France, Belgium, Luxemburg, Germany, Scandinavia, Italy and more countries, you see that violence with weapons is not a problem there. Because we don't need it.
You people don't have weapons because it's effective, because it helps the nation or any of that stuff. You have it because it symbolises your precious freedom and every president knows that if it wants to take that away, everybody is going to hate him.
User avatar #34055 - undeadwill (06/11/2013) [-]
A militia is a group of ARMED CITIZENS what the fuck did you think it was?

I chose Mexico because it is a prime example of what America is without gun control they have all of the same problems as us to the extreme but have completely banned guns.

Yeah but many of those countries had low crimes before the gun ban. While Switzerland which has one of the highest levels of gun ownership has very low crime.

Want to know why America has such a problem with violence? No mental health system and a massive problem with gangs and drug wars. Something you'd be hard pressed to find in those other countries.

And that freedom to bear arms has protected many other freedoms throughout time. And the reason why we fight for our freedom so much is because we know gun control doesn't work and because we know once you lose your freedoms you never get them back.
User avatar #34063 - beatmasterz (06/11/2013) [-]
You can't throw all the countries over one side. America is not the same as Switzerland. America is a melting pot of different cultures, ethnic groups and opinions.
Also the freedom part is completely bullshit. America is associated with freedom because it fought themselves from the british and started a new nation. America has the biggest prison, and the most incarcerated people. The government and the fbi can retrieve every bit of information about you. You can't even marry as a gay person or have an abortion. So don't lecture me about freedom, when america is one of the most conservative, conventional countries in the western world.
And guns are only legal because they represent said "freedom" and no american wants to give them away.
User avatar #34064 - undeadwill (06/11/2013) [-]
We also won independence from Mexico. (Texas) First thing they did was try to take the guns away from settlers we had used to defend against Indian raids.

So because the other freedoms are oppressed we should dump right in and give government the rest of them? What kind of logic is that? I lost a finger so lets take the whole hand? What the fuck are you smoking?
"And in some states you can marry a gay person, have an abortion and smoke pot so please save the American hypocrisy."

Btw freedom isn't just an American value it belongs to everyone.
User avatar #34065 - beatmasterz (06/11/2013) [-]
Sure it belongs to everyone, but a truly free person doesn't have to keep saying "I'm free!" Just like a true king doesn't have to say "I'm the king!"
User avatar #34066 - undeadwill (06/11/2013) [-]
>implying I'm like that.
>Implying allot of Americans are like that.
User avatar #34067 - beatmasterz (06/11/2013) [-]
Of course a lot of Americans are like that. Where do you think the stereotype comes from? Even now you're defending it.
User avatar #34171 - undeadwill (06/11/2013) [-]
The money in America is back up by nothing. It. is. worthless.

Government spent billions of dollars on bailing out the banks.

Yes they are facts.
I've been debating allot longer than you have kiddo.
User avatar #34184 - beatmasterz (06/11/2013) [-]
And yet you should know better than to ad hominem your contester, kiddo.
User avatar #34158 - undeadwill (06/11/2013) [-]
Because they know they can print more more money that is worth nothing. And they expected and were bailed out by government which should have let them fail.

Government caused the problem and the banks responded to make money dangerously because they knew there was no way to fail.
User avatar #34159 - beatmasterz (06/11/2013) [-]
Are those all facts or is that just baseless conjecture?
User avatar #34149 - undeadwill (06/11/2013) [-]
You mean crony capitalism of taking people's money and giving it to campaign supporters?
Government caused the collapse by regulating a monopolizing the federal reserve, giving out funds for things that only increased the costs of those services, starting wars it couldn't pay for and etc.
User avatar #34152 - beatmasterz (06/11/2013) [-]
Well sure. But the bankers lost all their money.
User avatar #34141 - undeadwill (06/11/2013) [-]
Or government will just keep spending like it always does. Government dug itself in, it can dig itself out.

If the private sector spending money leads to economic growth then why would increase taxes and regulation?

And government can't create jobs it can only lower regulations. Business invests back into the economy not government.
User avatar #34142 - beatmasterz (06/11/2013) [-]
The government can stimulate businesses and economic growth with certain laws. It's also not really the gov's fault of the crisis. It's the bank's. And I'm not sure it can dig itself out again.
User avatar #34136 - undeadwill (06/11/2013) [-]
Higher taxes will solve nothing but pay for governments credit cards for the sole reason it leads to more spending.

And say we did increase taxes? What good would it do? where would they go? After all you we have to cut spending.
User avatar #34139 - beatmasterz (06/11/2013) [-]
We use it to pay back our massive debts and interests. Which means we gradually can invest in our country again, create jobs, make people secure again, which leads to the private sector spending money, which leads to the healing of the economy.
User avatar #34129 - undeadwill (06/11/2013) [-]
So is that price higher taxes that the government would waste anyway because its on a spending spree addiction? And would cause the private sector to be crippled?
User avatar #34131 - beatmasterz (06/11/2013) [-]
Yes, that's how solving a crisis works. You increase taxes and decrease spending. You're right, it seems that the gov seems to have problems with the second part.
User avatar #34119 - undeadwill (06/11/2013) [-]
The economic crisis was the fault of the Federal Reserve a private bank that is given a monopoly by government regulation that they are the only one allowed to pint money.

Ummm... Did you know that?
I can pay my bills? Same with a lot of people here?
And some people choose not to because its cheaper when you don't use insurance? (One doctor refuses to take insurance and his costs went down by half)
User avatar #34126 - beatmasterz (06/11/2013) [-]
I am well aware of the crisis. I'm not saying it's the fault of the ordinary citizen (although they're not completely without blame), I'm just saying they will have to pay the price, like always.
User avatar #34106 - undeadwill (06/11/2013) [-]
Not really. Everyone here is going "Fuck where did the freedom go?"
User avatar #34115 - beatmasterz (06/11/2013) [-]
Not realising they're in an economical crisis and they have to chip in a bit. Also, if by freedom you mean unpayable health care, meaning you can't ever get sick or you're screwed, I wouldn't mind getting rid of a bit of that freedom.
User avatar #34069 - undeadwill (06/11/2013) [-]
>All black people love fried chicken, are dirt poor, and near retarded.
>All eurofags are stuck up, have a superiority complex and are high on their own farts while lacking anything really to feel so high and mighty about.
>All red necks are married to their cousin or sister


Where do you think the stereotypes come from?
User avatar #34103 - beatmasterz (06/11/2013) [-]
There are more proud americans preaching about their freedom than there are black people who constantly eat fried chicken or asians who do karate and math. You can't deny that.
#33835 - You're confusing a burglar with a mugger. Burglars tend to kno…  [+] (35 new replies) 06/10/2013 on Politics - politics news,... 0
User avatar #33836 - undeadwill (06/10/2013) [-]
"Hey someone is in the house"
"The same house where my love one sleep?"
"Yeah"
"The same house I live in?"
"Yeah"

Again do you know that he's here for your stuff? (in which case why give it to him) Or to kill you because he's insane/on bath salts.

And yes all thieves try and steal stuff when there are fewer guards.

Tell me one good reason why some shouldn't have the right to use lethal force in the defense of their home?
User avatar #33837 - beatmasterz (06/10/2013) [-]
Because that's not why we have laws. Because you kill a person. Because that person might be desperate for money and is bound by crime to feed his poor family. Because that said person doesn't want to murder you, because that person is scared.
Because you start calling me a faggot or a european or a gov-lover, try to see the situation from a different perspective. Criminals are not cold-blooded killers who are out to kill you, rape your wife and eat your babies.
We have a justice system to determine the best punishment for the deliquent, and we have it to prevent citizens to take matters into their own hands.
User avatar #33839 - undeadwill (06/10/2013) [-]
Again. Don't know the guy. Just know that he's trying to steal from my family not his family.And again. I don't read minds and if I did I wouldn't want to bet my life on it.

"Criminals are not cold blooded killers" Again you don't know that and if that is the case who legalized murder? Because cold blooded killers are criminals.

Also what I may or may not call you does not validate your stance on this subject.

And again the police can take hours to show up in some places. At best 20 minutes.

The alternative is to charge people with murder when they defend their homes even against murders who would seek to harm them.

Citizens are protecting themselves, the criminal justice system is meant to determine innocence or guilt, but the citizen can already see that person is trespassing.
User avatar #33896 - beatmasterz (06/10/2013) [-]
The justice system is not to determine innocence or guilt, it's to punish the guilty, ask any lawyer how often a defendant gets dismissed, its not often. Also, in my country the police takes about 5 minutes to get at the crime scene. Try to robb a house in 5 minutes.
There are no cold-blooded killers just like there are not stoic heroes who save kittens from trees. The world is not a fairytale. People have certain motives for their actions. Ghandi did bad stuff and Hitler did good stuff, morality is a huge grey area.
I know that guns are "cool" and that it's hardcore to shoot any trespassers, but it's not a sensible way to deal with it. In europe you never hear stories about lunatics shooting up schools or some poor sucker that got shot because he was in an argument. Why do you think? Becuase not everyone carries a .44 under his belt. We don't need violence to resolve conflicts. Don't you think it's more effective to try to help poor people get food, shelter, medical care and education so that they won't burglarise a house? But no, instead you give the populus guns and encourage them to shoot each other. All because of your precious freedom. The second amendment was written in the time that the british retaliating on the patriots was an actual threat and they wanted to prevent that by arming the citizens. That's not relevant anymore.
User avatar #33931 - undeadwill (06/10/2013) [-]
Gun rights also help with national defense, hunting, self defense and can be used to protect citizens from government.

And before you "But government has tanks and nukes how can you beat that?" One they wouldn't nuke their own land to deal with a revolution then anyone who was one their side would abandon them. And two the Taliban, Viet Kong and other rebel groups didn't have a problem with dealing with tanks.

And yes all because of our precious freedom because there are something more valuable than life.
User avatar #34051 - beatmasterz (06/11/2013) [-]
Oh. So you think that the gov gave you the weapons to defend yourself from them? The government can defeat the citizens easily. We are not the viet cong, and tanks are not made to nuke. Also there are more ways. The gov can cut import, to starve the citizens, it can take away your electricity or water, and many more ways. But that's all not going to happen. Because, really? Our political system is made to defend the government from the citizens and I think yours is too.
#34056 - undeadwill (06/11/2013) [-]
This image has expired
Oh. So you think that the gov gave you the weapons to defend yourself from them? The government can defeat the citizens easily. We are not the viet cong, and tanks are not made to nuke. Also there are more ways.

>Capitalism
[big>Capitalism
>Capitalism[big]
>CAPITALISM YOU FUCKING MORON

Government doesn't hand out shit. Read my hairy evolved ape lips
We.
Buy.
Our.
Guns.

Get it yet?

And I was saying they would NOT nuke their own land. Not that tanks can nuke. (Did you even read my comment?)

And they can't cut off water because they don't own the water, can't cut off the water because they don't own the power plant. And if we don't pay taxes they will starve to death.

Faggot do you even capitalism?
User avatar #34060 - beatmasterz (06/11/2013) [-]
Okay, you got me, the government can't do shit. So why the fuck would you feel the need to arm yourself against them?
#34062 - undeadwill (06/11/2013) [-]
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Oh I don't know...
User avatar #33927 - undeadwill (06/10/2013) [-]
Where the fuck do you live that there is not a single country dirt road?

And if the justice system is there to punish the guilty it should protect the victim of the robbery and allow him to protect himself.
I'm sorry. I don't care if Hitler pulled a kitten down from a tree its the part about "killing me" that worries me not that "oh I'm sure he was a good guy" I don't care if he shoot because I might know who he is or because he's insane the fact remains that he did it. Morality is not the question.

Its not hardcore to shoot trespassers (Which makes me wonder what kind of TV have you been watching) Its murder but if it someone who is willing to disobey the foundation of our society by violating someone's private and personal property by force.

Also "Give" you keep using that word. We are not Switzerland you BUY guns. And encourage? How? By not redistributing wealth? By stealing from other people who actually work to give to those who refuse to and would rather burglarize houses?

And also look at England and Mexico. How peaceful are they? Both have damn near eliminated guns. Both are insanely violent. Mexico is known for well for the violent drug war and England is the most violent nation in the EU.

And the issue was lethal force NOT guns. Seems to me the issue to you is about guns not a legality of self defense. So tell me what is the issue here? Gun control or legality of self defense?

And the second amendment is just as important then as it is today. Did you know that the first successful civil rights protest in the south during the civil rights movement was protected by an armed militia?
User avatar #34052 - beatmasterz (06/11/2013) [-]
Armed "militia", not armed citizens. Also Mexico is a terrible comparison. Why not choose somalia or north korea while we're at it? But if you take a look at the Netherlands, France, Belgium, Luxemburg, Germany, Scandinavia, Italy and more countries, you see that violence with weapons is not a problem there. Because we don't need it.
You people don't have weapons because it's effective, because it helps the nation or any of that stuff. You have it because it symbolises your precious freedom and every president knows that if it wants to take that away, everybody is going to hate him.
User avatar #34055 - undeadwill (06/11/2013) [-]
A militia is a group of ARMED CITIZENS what the fuck did you think it was?

I chose Mexico because it is a prime example of what America is without gun control they have all of the same problems as us to the extreme but have completely banned guns.

Yeah but many of those countries had low crimes before the gun ban. While Switzerland which has one of the highest levels of gun ownership has very low crime.

Want to know why America has such a problem with violence? No mental health system and a massive problem with gangs and drug wars. Something you'd be hard pressed to find in those other countries.

And that freedom to bear arms has protected many other freedoms throughout time. And the reason why we fight for our freedom so much is because we know gun control doesn't work and because we know once you lose your freedoms you never get them back.
User avatar #34063 - beatmasterz (06/11/2013) [-]
You can't throw all the countries over one side. America is not the same as Switzerland. America is a melting pot of different cultures, ethnic groups and opinions.
Also the freedom part is completely bullshit. America is associated with freedom because it fought themselves from the british and started a new nation. America has the biggest prison, and the most incarcerated people. The government and the fbi can retrieve every bit of information about you. You can't even marry as a gay person or have an abortion. So don't lecture me about freedom, when america is one of the most conservative, conventional countries in the western world.
And guns are only legal because they represent said "freedom" and no american wants to give them away.
User avatar #34064 - undeadwill (06/11/2013) [-]
We also won independence from Mexico. (Texas) First thing they did was try to take the guns away from settlers we had used to defend against Indian raids.

So because the other freedoms are oppressed we should dump right in and give government the rest of them? What kind of logic is that? I lost a finger so lets take the whole hand? What the fuck are you smoking?
"And in some states you can marry a gay person, have an abortion and smoke pot so please save the American hypocrisy."

Btw freedom isn't just an American value it belongs to everyone.
User avatar #34065 - beatmasterz (06/11/2013) [-]
Sure it belongs to everyone, but a truly free person doesn't have to keep saying "I'm free!" Just like a true king doesn't have to say "I'm the king!"
User avatar #34066 - undeadwill (06/11/2013) [-]
>implying I'm like that.
>Implying allot of Americans are like that.
User avatar #34067 - beatmasterz (06/11/2013) [-]
Of course a lot of Americans are like that. Where do you think the stereotype comes from? Even now you're defending it.
User avatar #34171 - undeadwill (06/11/2013) [-]
The money in America is back up by nothing. It. is. worthless.

Government spent billions of dollars on bailing out the banks.

Yes they are facts.
I've been debating allot longer than you have kiddo.
User avatar #34184 - beatmasterz (06/11/2013) [-]
And yet you should know better than to ad hominem your contester, kiddo.
User avatar #34158 - undeadwill (06/11/2013) [-]
Because they know they can print more more money that is worth nothing. And they expected and were bailed out by government which should have let them fail.

Government caused the problem and the banks responded to make money dangerously because they knew there was no way to fail.
User avatar #34159 - beatmasterz (06/11/2013) [-]
Are those all facts or is that just baseless conjecture?
User avatar #34149 - undeadwill (06/11/2013) [-]
You mean crony capitalism of taking people's money and giving it to campaign supporters?
Government caused the collapse by regulating a monopolizing the federal reserve, giving out funds for things that only increased the costs of those services, starting wars it couldn't pay for and etc.
User avatar #34152 - beatmasterz (06/11/2013) [-]
Well sure. But the bankers lost all their money.
User avatar #34141 - undeadwill (06/11/2013) [-]
Or government will just keep spending like it always does. Government dug itself in, it can dig itself out.

If the private sector spending money leads to economic growth then why would increase taxes and regulation?

And government can't create jobs it can only lower regulations. Business invests back into the economy not government.
User avatar #34142 - beatmasterz (06/11/2013) [-]
The government can stimulate businesses and economic growth with certain laws. It's also not really the gov's fault of the crisis. It's the bank's. And I'm not sure it can dig itself out again.
User avatar #34136 - undeadwill (06/11/2013) [-]
Higher taxes will solve nothing but pay for governments credit cards for the sole reason it leads to more spending.

And say we did increase taxes? What good would it do? where would they go? After all you we have to cut spending.
User avatar #34139 - beatmasterz (06/11/2013) [-]
We use it to pay back our massive debts and interests. Which means we gradually can invest in our country again, create jobs, make people secure again, which leads to the private sector spending money, which leads to the healing of the economy.
User avatar #34129 - undeadwill (06/11/2013) [-]
So is that price higher taxes that the government would waste anyway because its on a spending spree addiction? And would cause the private sector to be crippled?
User avatar #34131 - beatmasterz (06/11/2013) [-]
Yes, that's how solving a crisis works. You increase taxes and decrease spending. You're right, it seems that the gov seems to have problems with the second part.
User avatar #34119 - undeadwill (06/11/2013) [-]
The economic crisis was the fault of the Federal Reserve a private bank that is given a monopoly by government regulation that they are the only one allowed to pint money.

Ummm... Did you know that?
I can pay my bills? Same with a lot of people here?
And some people choose not to because its cheaper when you don't use insurance? (One doctor refuses to take insurance and his costs went down by half)
User avatar #34126 - beatmasterz (06/11/2013) [-]
I am well aware of the crisis. I'm not saying it's the fault of the ordinary citizen (although they're not completely without blame), I'm just saying they will have to pay the price, like always.
User avatar #34106 - undeadwill (06/11/2013) [-]
Not really. Everyone here is going "Fuck where did the freedom go?"
User avatar #34115 - beatmasterz (06/11/2013) [-]
Not realising they're in an economical crisis and they have to chip in a bit. Also, if by freedom you mean unpayable health care, meaning you can't ever get sick or you're screwed, I wouldn't mind getting rid of a bit of that freedom.
User avatar #34069 - undeadwill (06/11/2013) [-]
>All black people love fried chicken, are dirt poor, and near retarded.
>All eurofags are stuck up, have a superiority complex and are high on their own farts while lacking anything really to feel so high and mighty about.
>All red necks are married to their cousin or sister


Where do you think the stereotypes come from?
User avatar #34103 - beatmasterz (06/11/2013) [-]
There are more proud americans preaching about their freedom than there are black people who constantly eat fried chicken or asians who do karate and math. You can't deny that.
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User avatar #33833 - undeadwill (06/10/2013) [-]
You can't tell if the bugler seeks to hurt you, no one can. Unless you can read his mind you don't know what he's going to do.
What you do know is that he's threatening to hurt you for your things and that's reason enough to defend yourself.
User avatar #33835 - beatmasterz (06/10/2013) [-]
You're confusing a burglar with a mugger. Burglars tend to know the victim and his house and tend to avoid any detection and confrontation. That's why they go at night when the owner is asleep or away. Murder cases get solved way more often than burglary cases, that's why.
User avatar #33836 - undeadwill (06/10/2013) [-]
"Hey someone is in the house"
"The same house where my love one sleep?"
"Yeah"
"The same house I live in?"
"Yeah"

Again do you know that he's here for your stuff? (in which case why give it to him) Or to kill you because he's insane/on bath salts.

And yes all thieves try and steal stuff when there are fewer guards.

Tell me one good reason why some shouldn't have the right to use lethal force in the defense of their home?
User avatar #33837 - beatmasterz (06/10/2013) [-]
Because that's not why we have laws. Because you kill a person. Because that person might be desperate for money and is bound by crime to feed his poor family. Because that said person doesn't want to murder you, because that person is scared.
Because you start calling me a faggot or a european or a gov-lover, try to see the situation from a different perspective. Criminals are not cold-blooded killers who are out to kill you, rape your wife and eat your babies.
We have a justice system to determine the best punishment for the deliquent, and we have it to prevent citizens to take matters into their own hands.
User avatar #33839 - undeadwill (06/10/2013) [-]
Again. Don't know the guy. Just know that he's trying to steal from my family not his family.And again. I don't read minds and if I did I wouldn't want to bet my life on it.

"Criminals are not cold blooded killers" Again you don't know that and if that is the case who legalized murder? Because cold blooded killers are criminals.

Also what I may or may not call you does not validate your stance on this subject.

And again the police can take hours to show up in some places. At best 20 minutes.

The alternative is to charge people with murder when they defend their homes even against murders who would seek to harm them.

Citizens are protecting themselves, the criminal justice system is meant to determine innocence or guilt, but the citizen can already see that person is trespassing.
User avatar #33896 - beatmasterz (06/10/2013) [-]
The justice system is not to determine innocence or guilt, it's to punish the guilty, ask any lawyer how often a defendant gets dismissed, its not often. Also, in my country the police takes about 5 minutes to get at the crime scene. Try to robb a house in 5 minutes.
There are no cold-blooded killers just like there are not stoic heroes who save kittens from trees. The world is not a fairytale. People have certain motives for their actions. Ghandi did bad stuff and Hitler did good stuff, morality is a huge grey area.
I know that guns are "cool" and that it's hardcore to shoot any trespassers, but it's not a sensible way to deal with it. In europe you never hear stories about lunatics shooting up schools or some poor sucker that got shot because he was in an argument. Why do you think? Becuase not everyone carries a .44 under his belt. We don't need violence to resolve conflicts. Don't you think it's more effective to try to help poor people get food, shelter, medical care and education so that they won't burglarise a house? But no, instead you give the populus guns and encourage them to shoot each other. All because of your precious freedom. The second amendment was written in the time that the british retaliating on the patriots was an actual threat and they wanted to prevent that by arming the citizens. That's not relevant anymore.
User avatar #33931 - undeadwill (06/10/2013) [-]
Gun rights also help with national defense, hunting, self defense and can be used to protect citizens from government.

And before you "But government has tanks and nukes how can you beat that?" One they wouldn't nuke their own land to deal with a revolution then anyone who was one their side would abandon them. And two the Taliban, Viet Kong and other rebel groups didn't have a problem with dealing with tanks.

And yes all because of our precious freedom because there are something more valuable than life.
User avatar #34051 - beatmasterz (06/11/2013) [-]
Oh. So you think that the gov gave you the weapons to defend yourself from them? The government can defeat the citizens easily. We are not the viet cong, and tanks are not made to nuke. Also there are more ways. The gov can cut import, to starve the citizens, it can take away your electricity or water, and many more ways. But that's all not going to happen. Because, really? Our political system is made to defend the government from the citizens and I think yours is too.
#34056 - undeadwill (06/11/2013) [-]
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Oh. So you think that the gov gave you the weapons to defend yourself from them? The government can defeat the citizens easily. We are not the viet cong, and tanks are not made to nuke. Also there are more ways.

>Capitalism
[big>Capitalism
>Capitalism[big]
>CAPITALISM YOU FUCKING MORON

Government doesn't hand out shit. Read my hairy evolved ape lips
We.
Buy.
Our.
Guns.

Get it yet?

And I was saying they would NOT nuke their own land. Not that tanks can nuke. (Did you even read my comment?)

And they can't cut off water because they don't own the water, can't cut off the water because they don't own the power plant. And if we don't pay taxes they will starve to death.

Faggot do you even capitalism?
User avatar #34060 - beatmasterz (06/11/2013) [-]
Okay, you got me, the government can't do shit. So why the fuck would you feel the need to arm yourself against them?
#34062 - undeadwill (06/11/2013) [-]
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Oh I don't know...
User avatar #33927 - undeadwill (06/10/2013) [-]
Where the fuck do you live that there is not a single country dirt road?

And if the justice system is there to punish the guilty it should protect the victim of the robbery and allow him to protect himself.
I'm sorry. I don't care if Hitler pulled a kitten down from a tree its the part about "killing me" that worries me not that "oh I'm sure he was a good guy" I don't care if he shoot because I might know who he is or because he's insane the fact remains that he did it. Morality is not the question.

Its not hardcore to shoot trespassers (Which makes me wonder what kind of TV have you been watching) Its murder but if it someone who is willing to disobey the foundation of our society by violating someone's private and personal property by force.

Also "Give" you keep using that word. We are not Switzerland you BUY guns. And encourage? How? By not redistributing wealth? By stealing from other people who actually work to give to those who refuse to and would rather burglarize houses?

And also look at England and Mexico. How peaceful are they? Both have damn near eliminated guns. Both are insanely violent. Mexico is known for well for the violent drug war and England is the most violent nation in the EU.

And the issue was lethal force NOT guns. Seems to me the issue to you is about guns not a legality of self defense. So tell me what is the issue here? Gun control or legality of self defense?

And the second amendment is just as important then as it is today. Did you know that the first successful civil rights protest in the south during the civil rights movement was protected by an armed militia?
User avatar #34052 - beatmasterz (06/11/2013) [-]
Armed "militia", not armed citizens. Also Mexico is a terrible comparison. Why not choose somalia or north korea while we're at it? But if you take a look at the Netherlands, France, Belgium, Luxemburg, Germany, Scandinavia, Italy and more countries, you see that violence with weapons is not a problem there. Because we don't need it.
You people don't have weapons because it's effective, because it helps the nation or any of that stuff. You have it because it symbolises your precious freedom and every president knows that if it wants to take that away, everybody is going to hate him.
User avatar #34055 - undeadwill (06/11/2013) [-]
A militia is a group of ARMED CITIZENS what the fuck did you think it was?

I chose Mexico because it is a prime example of what America is without gun control they have all of the same problems as us to the extreme but have completely banned guns.

Yeah but many of those countries had low crimes before the gun ban. While Switzerland which has one of the highest levels of gun ownership has very low crime.

Want to know why America has such a problem with violence? No mental health system and a massive problem with gangs and drug wars. Something you'd be hard pressed to find in those other countries.

And that freedom to bear arms has protected many other freedoms throughout time. And the reason why we fight for our freedom so much is because we know gun control doesn't work and because we know once you lose your freedoms you never get them back.
User avatar #34063 - beatmasterz (06/11/2013) [-]
You can't throw all the countries over one side. America is not the same as Switzerland. America is a melting pot of different cultures, ethnic groups and opinions.
Also the freedom part is completely bullshit. America is associated with freedom because it fought themselves from the british and started a new nation. America has the biggest prison, and the most incarcerated people. The government and the fbi can retrieve every bit of information about you. You can't even marry as a gay person or have an abortion. So don't lecture me about freedom, when america is one of the most conservative, conventional countries in the western world.
And guns are only legal because they represent said "freedom" and no american wants to give them away.
User avatar #34064 - undeadwill (06/11/2013) [-]
We also won independence from Mexico. (Texas) First thing they did was try to take the guns away from settlers we had used to defend against Indian raids.

So because the other freedoms are oppressed we should dump right in and give government the rest of them? What kind of logic is that? I lost a finger so lets take the whole hand? What the fuck are you smoking?
"And in some states you can marry a gay person, have an abortion and smoke pot so please save the American hypocrisy."

Btw freedom isn't just an American value it belongs to everyone.
User avatar #34065 - beatmasterz (06/11/2013) [-]
Sure it belongs to everyone, but a truly free person doesn't have to keep saying "I'm free!" Just like a true king doesn't have to say "I'm the king!"
User avatar #34066 - undeadwill (06/11/2013) [-]
>implying I'm like that.
>Implying allot of Americans are like that.
User avatar #34067 - beatmasterz (06/11/2013) [-]
Of course a lot of Americans are like that. Where do you think the stereotype comes from? Even now you're defending it.
User avatar #34171 - undeadwill (06/11/2013) [-]
The money in America is back up by nothing. It. is. worthless.

Government spent billions of dollars on bailing out the banks.

Yes they are facts.
I've been debating allot longer than you have kiddo.
User avatar #34184 - beatmasterz (06/11/2013) [-]
And yet you should know better than to ad hominem your contester, kiddo.
User avatar #34158 - undeadwill (06/11/2013) [-]
Because they know they can print more more money that is worth nothing. And they expected and were bailed out by government which should have let them fail.

Government caused the problem and the banks responded to make money dangerously because they knew there was no way to fail.
User avatar #34159 - beatmasterz (06/11/2013) [-]
Are those all facts or is that just baseless conjecture?
User avatar #34149 - undeadwill (06/11/2013) [-]
You mean crony capitalism of taking people's money and giving it to campaign supporters?
Government caused the collapse by regulating a monopolizing the federal reserve, giving out funds for things that only increased the costs of those services, starting wars it couldn't pay for and etc.
User avatar #34152 - beatmasterz (06/11/2013) [-]
Well sure. But the bankers lost all their money.
User avatar #34141 - undeadwill (06/11/2013) [-]
Or government will just keep spending like it always does. Government dug itself in, it can dig itself out.

If the private sector spending money leads to economic growth then why would increase taxes and regulation?

And government can't create jobs it can only lower regulations. Business invests back into the economy not government.
User avatar #34142 - beatmasterz (06/11/2013) [-]
The government can stimulate businesses and economic growth with certain laws. It's also not really the gov's fault of the crisis. It's the bank's. And I'm not sure it can dig itself out again.
User avatar #34136 - undeadwill (06/11/2013) [-]
Higher taxes will solve nothing but pay for governments credit cards for the sole reason it leads to more spending.

And say we did increase taxes? What good would it do? where would they go? After all you we have to cut spending.
User avatar #34139 - beatmasterz (06/11/2013) [-]
We use it to pay back our massive debts and interests. Which means we gradually can invest in our country again, create jobs, make people secure again, which leads to the private sector spending money, which leads to the healing of the economy.
User avatar #34129 - undeadwill (06/11/2013) [-]
So is that price higher taxes that the government would waste anyway because its on a spending spree addiction? And would cause the private sector to be crippled?
User avatar #34131 - beatmasterz (06/11/2013) [-]
Yes, that's how solving a crisis works. You increase taxes and decrease spending. You're right, it seems that the gov seems to have problems with the second part.
User avatar #34119 - undeadwill (06/11/2013) [-]
The economic crisis was the fault of the Federal Reserve a private bank that is given a monopoly by government regulation that they are the only one allowed to pint money.

Ummm... Did you know that?
I can pay my bills? Same with a lot of people here?
And some people choose not to because its cheaper when you don't use insurance? (One doctor refuses to take insurance and his costs went down by half)
User avatar #34126 - beatmasterz (06/11/2013) [-]
I am well aware of the crisis. I'm not saying it's the fault of the ordinary citizen (although they're not completely without blame), I'm just saying they will have to pay the price, like always.
User avatar #34106 - undeadwill (06/11/2013) [-]
Not really. Everyone here is going "Fuck where did the freedom go?"
User avatar #34115 - beatmasterz (06/11/2013) [-]
Not realising they're in an economical crisis and they have to chip in a bit. Also, if by freedom you mean unpayable health care, meaning you can't ever get sick or you're screwed, I wouldn't mind getting rid of a bit of that freedom.
User avatar #34069 - undeadwill (06/11/2013) [-]
>All black people love fried chicken, are dirt poor, and near retarded.
>All eurofags are stuck up, have a superiority complex and are high on their own farts while lacking anything really to feel so high and mighty about.
>All red necks are married to their cousin or sister


Where do you think the stereotypes come from?
User avatar #34103 - beatmasterz (06/11/2013) [-]
There are more proud americans preaching about their freedom than there are black people who constantly eat fried chicken or asians who do karate and math. You can't deny that.
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#11649 - repostsrepost (06/10/2013) [-]
I like the midget. Every other lannister is a little bitch
User avatar #11651 - beatmasterz (06/10/2013) [-]
You seem to know a lot about the characters so I will entitle a lot of value to your opinion.
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User avatar #33843 - undeadwill (06/10/2013) [-]
Apparently to you it is.
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User avatar #33770 - beatmasterz (06/10/2013) [-]
*means
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User avatar #34186 - undeadwill (06/11/2013) [-]
Do you have a point?
User avatar #34193 - beatmasterz (06/11/2013) [-]
I can't remember what we were arguing about anyway.
User avatar #34199 - undeadwill (06/11/2013) [-]
Legality of self defense.
I remembered it but you thought it was about gun control.
User avatar #34260 - beatmasterz (06/12/2013) [-]
No, I remembered it as killing any person stepping in your frontyard.
User avatar #34261 - undeadwill (06/12/2013) [-]
........
Am I being trolled?
User avatar #34262 - beatmasterz (06/12/2013) [-]
no
User avatar #34265 - undeadwill (06/12/2013) [-]
Look at OP. Look at our discussion.
User avatar #33775 - undeadwill (06/10/2013) [-]
Problem is the victim doesn't know that.
User avatar #33816 - beatmasterz (06/10/2013) [-]
Someone should teach them then instead of handing them a gun and provoking the burglars to violence.
User avatar #33833 - undeadwill (06/10/2013) [-]
You can't tell if the bugler seeks to hurt you, no one can. Unless you can read his mind you don't know what he's going to do.
What you do know is that he's threatening to hurt you for your things and that's reason enough to defend yourself.
User avatar #33835 - beatmasterz (06/10/2013) [-]
You're confusing a burglar with a mugger. Burglars tend to know the victim and his house and tend to avoid any detection and confrontation. That's why they go at night when the owner is asleep or away. Murder cases get solved way more often than burglary cases, that's why.
User avatar #33836 - undeadwill (06/10/2013) [-]
"Hey someone is in the house"
"The same house where my love one sleep?"
"Yeah"
"The same house I live in?"
"Yeah"

Again do you know that he's here for your stuff? (in which case why give it to him) Or to kill you because he's insane/on bath salts.

And yes all thieves try and steal stuff when there are fewer guards.

Tell me one good reason why some shouldn't have the right to use lethal force in the defense of their home?
User avatar #33837 - beatmasterz (06/10/2013) [-]
Because that's not why we have laws. Because you kill a person. Because that person might be desperate for money and is bound by crime to feed his poor family. Because that said person doesn't want to murder you, because that person is scared.
Because you start calling me a faggot or a european or a gov-lover, try to see the situation from a different perspective. Criminals are not cold-blooded killers who are out to kill you, rape your wife and eat your babies.
We have a justice system to determine the best punishment for the deliquent, and we have it to prevent citizens to take matters into their own hands.
User avatar #33839 - undeadwill (06/10/2013) [-]
Again. Don't know the guy. Just know that he's trying to steal from my family not his family.And again. I don't read minds and if I did I wouldn't want to bet my life on it.

"Criminals are not cold blooded killers" Again you don't know that and if that is the case who legalized murder? Because cold blooded killers are criminals.

Also what I may or may not call you does not validate your stance on this subject.

And again the police can take hours to show up in some places. At best 20 minutes.

The alternative is to charge people with murder when they defend their homes even against murders who would seek to harm them.

Citizens are protecting themselves, the criminal justice system is meant to determine innocence or guilt, but the citizen can already see that person is trespassing.
User avatar #33896 - beatmasterz (06/10/2013) [-]
The justice system is not to determine innocence or guilt, it's to punish the guilty, ask any lawyer how often a defendant gets dismissed, its not often. Also, in my country the police takes about 5 minutes to get at the crime scene. Try to robb a house in 5 minutes.
There are no cold-blooded killers just like there are not stoic heroes who save kittens from trees. The world is not a fairytale. People have certain motives for their actions. Ghandi did bad stuff and Hitler did good stuff, morality is a huge grey area.
I know that guns are "cool" and that it's hardcore to shoot any trespassers, but it's not a sensible way to deal with it. In europe you never hear stories about lunatics shooting up schools or some poor sucker that got shot because he was in an argument. Why do you think? Becuase not everyone carries a .44 under his belt. We don't need violence to resolve conflicts. Don't you think it's more effective to try to help poor people get food, shelter, medical care and education so that they won't burglarise a house? But no, instead you give the populus guns and encourage them to shoot each other. All because of your precious freedom. The second amendment was written in the time that the british retaliating on the patriots was an actual threat and they wanted to prevent that by arming the citizens. That's not relevant anymore.
User avatar #33931 - undeadwill (06/10/2013) [-]
Gun rights also help with national defense, hunting, self defense and can be used to protect citizens from government.

And before you "But government has tanks and nukes how can you beat that?" One they wouldn't nuke their own land to deal with a revolution then anyone who was one their side would abandon them. And two the Taliban, Viet Kong and other rebel groups didn't have a problem with dealing with tanks.

And yes all because of our precious freedom because there are something more valuable than life.
User avatar #34051 - beatmasterz (06/11/2013) [-]
Oh. So you think that the gov gave you the weapons to defend yourself from them? The government can defeat the citizens easily. We are not the viet cong, and tanks are not made to nuke. Also there are more ways. The gov can cut import, to starve the citizens, it can take away your electricity or water, and many more ways. But that's all not going to happen. Because, really? Our political system is made to defend the government from the citizens and I think yours is too.
#34056 - undeadwill (06/11/2013) [-]
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Oh. So you think that the gov gave you the weapons to defend yourself from them? The government can defeat the citizens easily. We are not the viet cong, and tanks are not made to nuke. Also there are more ways.

>Capitalism
[big>Capitalism
>Capitalism[big]
>CAPITALISM YOU FUCKING MORON

Government doesn't hand out shit. Read my hairy evolved ape lips
We.
Buy.
Our.
Guns.

Get it yet?

And I was saying they would NOT nuke their own land. Not that tanks can nuke. (Did you even read my comment?)

And they can't cut off water because they don't own the water, can't cut off the water because they don't own the power plant. And if we don't pay taxes they will starve to death.

Faggot do you even capitalism?
User avatar #34060 - beatmasterz (06/11/2013) [-]
Okay, you got me, the government can't do shit. So why the fuck would you feel the need to arm yourself against them?
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Oh I don't know...
User avatar #33927 - undeadwill (06/10/2013) [-]
Where the fuck do you live that there is not a single country dirt road?

And if the justice system is there to punish the guilty it should protect the victim of the robbery and allow him to protect himself.
I'm sorry. I don't care if Hitler pulled a kitten down from a tree its the part about "killing me" that worries me not that "oh I'm sure he was a good guy" I don't care if he shoot because I might know who he is or because he's insane the fact remains that he did it. Morality is not the question.

Its not hardcore to shoot trespassers (Which makes me wonder what kind of TV have you been watching) Its murder but if it someone who is willing to disobey the foundation of our society by violating someone's private and personal property by force.

Also "Give" you keep using that word. We are not Switzerland you BUY guns. And encourage? How? By not redistributing wealth? By stealing from other people who actually work to give to those who refuse to and would rather burglarize houses?

And also look at England and Mexico. How peaceful are they? Both have damn near eliminated guns. Both are insanely violent. Mexico is known for well for the violent drug war and England is the most violent nation in the EU.

And the issue was lethal force NOT guns. Seems to me the issue to you is about guns not a legality of self defense. So tell me what is the issue here? Gun control or legality of self defense?

And the second amendment is just as important then as it is today. Did you know that the first successful civil rights protest in the south during the civil rights movement was protected by an armed militia?
User avatar #34052 - beatmasterz (06/11/2013) [-]
Armed "militia", not armed citizens. Also Mexico is a terrible comparison. Why not choose somalia or north korea while we're at it? But if you take a look at the Netherlands, France, Belgium, Luxemburg, Germany, Scandinavia, Italy and more countries, you see that violence with weapons is not a problem there. Because we don't need it.
You people don't have weapons because it's effective, because it helps the nation or any of that stuff. You have it because it symbolises your precious freedom and every president knows that if it wants to take that away, everybody is going to hate him.
User avatar #34055 - undeadwill (06/11/2013) [-]
A militia is a group of ARMED CITIZENS what the fuck did you think it was?

I chose Mexico because it is a prime example of what America is without gun control they have all of the same problems as us to the extreme but have completely banned guns.

Yeah but many of those countries had low crimes before the gun ban. While Switzerland which has one of the highest levels of gun ownership has very low crime.

Want to know why America has such a problem with violence? No mental health system and a massive problem with gangs and drug wars. Something you'd be hard pressed to find in those other countries.

And that freedom to bear arms has protected many other freedoms throughout time. And the reason why we fight for our freedom so much is because we know gun control doesn't work and because we know once you lose your freedoms you never get them back.
User avatar #34063 - beatmasterz (06/11/2013) [-]
You can't throw all the countries over one side. America is not the same as Switzerland. America is a melting pot of different cultures, ethnic groups and opinions.
Also the freedom part is completely bullshit. America is associated with freedom because it fought themselves from the british and started a new nation. America has the biggest prison, and the most incarcerated people. The government and the fbi can retrieve every bit of information about you. You can't even marry as a gay person or have an abortion. So don't lecture me about freedom, when america is one of the most conservative, conventional countries in the western world.
And guns are only legal because they represent said "freedom" and no american wants to give them away.
User avatar #34064 - undeadwill (06/11/2013) [-]
We also won independence from Mexico. (Texas) First thing they did was try to take the guns away from settlers we had used to defend against Indian raids.

So because the other freedoms are oppressed we should dump right in and give government the rest of them? What kind of logic is that? I lost a finger so lets take the whole hand? What the fuck are you smoking?
"And in some states you can marry a gay person, have an abortion and smoke pot so please save the American hypocrisy."

Btw freedom isn't just an American value it belongs to everyone.
User avatar #34065 - beatmasterz (06/11/2013) [-]
Sure it belongs to everyone, but a truly free person doesn't have to keep saying "I'm free!" Just like a true king doesn't have to say "I'm the king!"
User avatar #34066 - undeadwill (06/11/2013) [-]
>implying I'm like that.
>Implying allot of Americans are like that.
User avatar #34067 - beatmasterz (06/11/2013) [-]
Of course a lot of Americans are like that. Where do you think the stereotype comes from? Even now you're defending it.
User avatar #34171 - undeadwill (06/11/2013) [-]
The money in America is back up by nothing. It. is. worthless.

Government spent billions of dollars on bailing out the banks.

Yes they are facts.
I've been debating allot longer than you have kiddo.
User avatar #34184 - beatmasterz (06/11/2013) [-]
And yet you should know better than to ad hominem your contester, kiddo.
User avatar #34158 - undeadwill (06/11/2013) [-]
Because they know they can print more more money that is worth nothing. And they expected and were bailed out by government which should have let them fail.

Government caused the problem and the banks responded to make money dangerously because they knew there was no way to fail.
User avatar #34159 - beatmasterz (06/11/2013) [-]
Are those all facts or is that just baseless conjecture?
User avatar #34149 - undeadwill (06/11/2013) [-]
You mean crony capitalism of taking people's money and giving it to campaign supporters?
Government caused the collapse by regulating a monopolizing the federal reserve, giving out funds for things that only increased the costs of those services, starting wars it couldn't pay for and etc.
User avatar #34152 - beatmasterz (06/11/2013) [-]
Well sure. But the bankers lost all their money.
User avatar #34141 - undeadwill (06/11/2013) [-]
Or government will just keep spending like it always does. Government dug itself in, it can dig itself out.

If the private sector spending money leads to economic growth then why would increase taxes and regulation?

And government can't create jobs it can only lower regulations. Business invests back into the economy not government.
User avatar #34142 - beatmasterz (06/11/2013) [-]
The government can stimulate businesses and economic growth with certain laws. It's also not really the gov's fault of the crisis. It's the bank's. And I'm not sure it can dig itself out again.
User avatar #34136 - undeadwill (06/11/2013) [-]
Higher taxes will solve nothing but pay for governments credit cards for the sole reason it leads to more spending.

And say we did increase taxes? What good would it do? where would they go? After all you we have to cut spending.
User avatar #34139 - beatmasterz (06/11/2013) [-]
We use it to pay back our massive debts and interests. Which means we gradually can invest in our country again, create jobs, make people secure again, which leads to the private sector spending money, which leads to the healing of the economy.
User avatar #34129 - undeadwill (06/11/2013) [-]
So is that price higher taxes that the government would waste anyway because its on a spending spree addiction? And would cause the private sector to be crippled?
User avatar #34131 - beatmasterz (06/11/2013) [-]
Yes, that's how solving a crisis works. You increase taxes and decrease spending. You're right, it seems that the gov seems to have problems with the second part.
User avatar #34119 - undeadwill (06/11/2013) [-]
The economic crisis was the fault of the Federal Reserve a private bank that is given a monopoly by government regulation that they are the only one allowed to pint money.

Ummm... Did you know that?
I can pay my bills? Same with a lot of people here?
And some people choose not to because its cheaper when you don't use insurance? (One doctor refuses to take insurance and his costs went down by half)
User avatar #34126 - beatmasterz (06/11/2013) [-]
I am well aware of the crisis. I'm not saying it's the fault of the ordinary citizen (although they're not completely without blame), I'm just saying they will have to pay the price, like always.
User avatar #34106 - undeadwill (06/11/2013) [-]
Not really. Everyone here is going "Fuck where did the freedom go?"
User avatar #34115 - beatmasterz (06/11/2013) [-]
Not realising they're in an economical crisis and they have to chip in a bit. Also, if by freedom you mean unpayable health care, meaning you can't ever get sick or you're screwed, I wouldn't mind getting rid of a bit of that freedom.
User avatar #34069 - undeadwill (06/11/2013) [-]
>All black people love fried chicken, are dirt poor, and near retarded.
>All eurofags are stuck up, have a superiority complex and are high on their own farts while lacking anything really to feel so high and mighty about.
>All red necks are married to their cousin or sister


Where do you think the stereotypes come from?
User avatar #34103 - beatmasterz (06/11/2013) [-]
There are more proud americans preaching about their freedom than there are black people who constantly eat fried chicken or asians who do karate and math. You can't deny that.
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User avatar #78172 - justanotherzombie (06/10/2013) [-]
I thought about it and its stupid unless I am actually talking to someone face to face I won't be able to get help. it more a page of reading and telling me what is wrong.
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okay
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User avatar #11638 - anonymoose (06/10/2013) [-]
"Madness and greatness were two sides of the same coin and every time a new Targaryen was born, the gods would toss the coin in the air and the world would hold its breath to see how it would land" - Jaehaerys II Targaryen
User avatar #11637 - jari (06/10/2013) [-]
You're mistaken, the targaryens aren't bad
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They're generally seen as loonies and as bad kings. Daenerys isn't an exception to that rule, but you're not supposed to know that yet.
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User avatar #78014 - godshandshake (06/09/2013) [-]
I laughed.
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User avatar #78011 - davvi (06/09/2013) [-]
.. i'm getting slightly worried there
User avatar #78012 - beatmasterz (06/09/2013) [-]
I need to know this before midnight.
User avatar #78014 - godshandshake (06/09/2013) [-]
I laughed.
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User avatar #78064 - medewu (06/10/2013) [-]
No, but with how the laws and everything is going today then most likely they will be able to soon, they weren't able to due to the 4th Amendment, he would still need a search warrant to search illegally but if you grant him permission then, what ever he finds can and will be used against you in the court of law.
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User avatar #78019 - dodgeorramit (06/09/2013) [-]
Nope the exclusionary rule prevents it
User avatar #78013 - fuckya (06/09/2013) [-]
Not in the US. It cannot be used against you in court.
Same as in your car. If he searches you and finds something illegal, it cannot be used against you unless he already stated that you were under arrest.
#78008 - devout feminist (06/09/2013) [-]
I don't think so, coppers need to have a search warrant in order to enter someone's property. They can't arrest if they've entered your house with absolutely no reason.

I think...
User avatar #78009 - beatmasterz (06/09/2013) [-]
Would that also go for let's say a corpse?
User avatar #78011 - davvi (06/09/2013) [-]
.. i'm getting slightly worried there
User avatar #78012 - beatmasterz (06/09/2013) [-]
I need to know this before midnight.
User avatar #78014 - godshandshake (06/09/2013) [-]
I laughed.

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And why would I give them to you?
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