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#17 - i think they got their high quality steel from asia, not sure though  [+] (50 replies) 08/17/2014 on Katana! -40
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#141 - thebestpieever (08/17/2014) [-]
Nah. Asian metals are not all that great. The Katana is made from the shittiest alloy imaginable, that's why it's folded a shit ton of times.
#132 - saladtongsofdeath (08/17/2014) [-]
actually, asian steel is not "high quality" the way that they temper the steel is what makes a katana top tier
#105 - stefanovic (08/17/2014) [-]
Yup, as shown in this recent discovery in Northwest Vikingland
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#104 - badgerbaiting (08/17/2014) [-]
You're correct. I actually did a project for this in my mettalurgy class. They used wootz steel from India if I recall correctly.
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#56 - devourhim (08/17/2014) [-]
never go full retard
#22 - citruslord (08/17/2014) [-]
From what I understand, they apparently got the technique from the middle east. I'm sure you've heard the tern Damascus steel.
But yes, the Vikings had a smelting process that got the steel hot enough to burn away a large majority of the impurities, and made a much higher quality steel than the rest of Europe had. Ulfberhts are also really fucking sexy.
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#95 - dehfurk (08/17/2014) [-]
I'm not saying dragons but...
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#47 - valyn (08/17/2014) [-]
Damascus and Wootz steels (from syria and india, respectively) were extremely strong, and the viking sword pattern made for a well balanced and extremely durable weapon. The katana was never intended to deal with other weapons or armor because it spent 90% of its time gutting helpless peasants.
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#48 - citruslord (08/17/2014) [-]
From what I understand, the Japanese code of honor all but prohibited the use of heavy armors and shields, so their weapons showed that. If you need to cut through flesh, the katana is the best.
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#49 - valyn (08/17/2014) [-]

Samurai usually wore full laquered armor (of a design close to european brigandine or splint mail)
#135 - saladtongsofdeath (08/17/2014) [-]
pound for pound, japanese armor was legendary
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#143 - valyn (08/17/2014) [-]
Against japanese weapons, which by and large weren't designed for anti-armor roles. Wouldn't have fared well against European innovations like the Bodkin arrow or the Halberd
#161 - saladtongsofdeath (08/17/2014) [-]
although the katana was a staple of the japanese weaponry, it was not their only weapon, and the armor reflected that... you have the naginata (halbert-ish style weapon) yumi (bow) nodachi (long sword) odachi (think sephiroth's sword from final fantasy) jute (pressure point weapon... think of smoker from one piece) kabutowari (looks like a jute but sharp and heavier, designed to break through helmets and break bones) yoroi toshi (heavy knife designed to pierce heavy armor) zanbato (probably the biggest sword they had at the time... it literally means "horse slaying sword, it was dug into the ground and pointed at a mounted opponent and stabs the horse... after the horse falls, they used to just pick it up and halve their opponents... brutal...) and kanabo (japanese bat with spikes and/or studs designed to deal massive blunt force trauma... it was such an intimidating weapon that the japanese demons where depicted walking around with it... and for good reason... very heavy and designed to break virtually anything that was stupid to get in its way) just to name a few
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#50 - valyn (08/17/2014) [-]
they didnt use katanas to fight other samurai, in fact they favored the bow for that. Katanas were used for either ceremonial duties or chopping villagers.
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#70 - vleasian (08/17/2014) [-]
To fight other Samurai, I think they preferred the Naginata more.
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#137 - skfdkfkehdgurdk (08/17/2014) [-]
The Naginata was usually looked down upon despite their effective range and effectiveness in battle, they usually thought only women used naginatas and samurais didn't prefer to use very often so naginatas weren't used to fight other samurais
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#87 - citruslord (08/17/2014) [-]
Dont forget the kanabo
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#51 - valyn (08/17/2014) [-]
and while the katyana is pretty good at it, probably the best sword for cutting unarmored opponents is either the Arab Scimitar or the Nepali Khukuri
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#55 - citruslord (08/17/2014) [-]
I could see the scimitar having slightly better cutting capabilities because the larger mass on the end.
#77 - endospore (08/17/2014) [-]
Kilij. It's a scimitar with a weighted end used in eastern europe before the mongols came, I believe.
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#158 - bronynexgen (08/17/2014) [-]
Vlad Tepes used one, I believe.
#107 - midothegreat (08/17/2014) [-]
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#81 - citruslord (08/17/2014) [-]
Feel like that would be a little awkward to use.
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#97 - HenrikVIII (08/17/2014) [-]
And hard to block
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#19 - angelious (08/17/2014) [-]
india if i recall correctly.
#40 - andrakian (08/17/2014) [-]
The vikings had trade routes that spread through the rivers of eastern Europe, all the way to Constantinople. If you could get to Constantinople, you could buy anything.

Indian steel was the best in the world at the time, hands down. But Sweden apparently supplied very high quality steel as well, so it wasn't cost effective to import metal all along he silk route and then crossing Europe. Kings may have received Damascus swords, But the responsible for the great viking swords was well-treated Ulfberth steel.
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#18 - inzix (08/17/2014) [-]
at that time i doubt they got anything from the places in asia that made high quality steel, although the katana is extremely overrated and everybody who loves them barely knows shit about swords
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#20 - angelious (08/17/2014) [-]
also: the reason why japanese katanas are "folded a thousand times" is because the steel over there was crappy.and this was their way of trying to get over it. for the same reason european swords were more of a bulking monstrosities(same fault but different solution) meanwhile the viking chiefs if i recall correctly imported high quality steel from india and crafted high quality weapons fitting for kings and chiefs of the time.
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#84 - citruslord (08/17/2014) [-]
The folding did two things. It allowed them to gain a more ideal mix of carbon in the steel by mixing high and lower carbon steels. Their smelting process was not as advanced as today, so they couldn't quite control that otherwise. It also got rid of many impurities. After the working, the steel was actually quite high quality.
European steel was very low carbon generally, so they went for wider swords for more inertia cutting.
The Vikings learned how to make the steel from somewhere. They did not import it, but made it themselves.
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#68 - tealcanaan (08/17/2014) [-]

No, you keep saying that, but it's not true, they were just very well made swords by a local blacksmith who knew how to properly twist the iron and beat it to infuse carbon and beat out impurities.
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#83 - drldrl (08/17/2014) [-]
Nah man. All of the swords between 800 and 1000 AD were made of the stuff. Meaning, a single blacksmith could not work that much, nor would he live that long. Also, around the same time, the Volga trade route was used a ton by Vikings, so it's far more probable that they did get the steel from Asia.
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#86 - tealcanaan (08/17/2014) [-]
Naw, Sweden had high quality steel at the time m8.
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#88 - drldrl (08/17/2014) [-]
Nope. None of Europe was capable of creating crucible steel till much later.
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#82 - citruslord (08/17/2014) [-]
You can't beat carbon into steel. The amount of carbon in the steel in based on the smelting process.
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#30 - inzix (08/17/2014) [-]
The european longswords were not monstrosities, they heaviest longsword in europe that ive heard of weighed around 1.8 kilos, which isnt alot considering this was the heaviest that made sense, the other longswords in europe weighed around 1.4 kilos
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#34 - angelious (08/17/2014) [-]
wich were mostly bluntedged(dulled quickly) and still larger and longer when compared to eastern or northern weapons
#36 - inzix (08/17/2014) [-]
well what you are saying does not descript Wikipedia's longsword specs
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#37 - angelious (08/17/2014) [-]
wich part?
#38 - inzix (08/17/2014) [-]
you called them "monstrosities" and "bluntedged"
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#39 - angelious (08/17/2014) [-]
they get dull easily.so more often than not they were blunt. and monstrosities was more of a "lack of better terms" type of comparison. as they are bigger than both northern and eastern swords.
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#85 - drldrl (08/17/2014) [-]
They're only larger because of the type of sword that longswords are. See how long the grip is? It's meant to be light enough to be able to wield with one hand if needed, but heavy enough to be wielded with two. That requires a lot of skill to make. If you go and find a sword meant to be used just in one hand, like most swords you're comparing it to, you'll find it's around the same size.
#41 - inzix (08/17/2014) [-]
ahh okay, i thought you knew nothing about swords and just said they were monstrosities because they are called longswords and not just sword, and yes they get more dull easily because of their lenght, id rather have a 1 meter sorta dull blade than a 50 cm blade which is newly forged and really sharp,
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#180 - commontroll (08/18/2014) [-]
I'd rather have the 50cm blade and a buckler. Or an axe and shield.
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#258 - inzix (08/19/2014) [-]
yes, but of those too i think ill go with the longsword,
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#26 - fargfive (08/17/2014) [-]
and the whole "folded a thousand times" thing is an exaggeration. You can't fold a piece of metal a thousand times, much less a piece of metal. Japanese swords are good considering the shit metal they were made from, but they were by no means as amazing as people make them out to be.
#89 - loomiss (08/17/2014) [-]
M8 u wat
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#61 - ieatpaste (08/17/2014) [-]
you can fold steel as many times as you want. it doesnt really mean anything, but theres no limit to how many times you can fold it.
#122 - anon (08/17/2014) [-]
Folding steel is done to remove excess carbon and impurities. So yes, you COULD fold it as many times as you want, but you go from improving the weapon to splintering to crumbling to totally fucking it up if you go too far.
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#193 - ieatpaste (08/18/2014) [-]
why would it crumble? seems to me the more that you fold it the tighter the grain will be.
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#27 - angelious (08/17/2014) [-]
hence why i used ""
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#54 - napzter (05/11/2014) [-]
well now you know
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