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#86 - themurp (03/16/2016) [-]
noun: genre; plural noun: genres
a category of artistic composition, as in music or literature, characterized by similarities in form,** style**, or subject matter.
a style of Japanese film and television animation, typically aimed at adults as well as children.
#116 - alleksi (03/16/2016) [-]
"anime style" is what everyone thinks of when they hear the word 'anime'. You know, big eyes, crazy colors, semi realistic anatomy. It's an art style.
where as "anime" is just Japanese animation, and is not defined by style.
For example panty and stocking is anime, whereas avatar isn't, even though the former looks very western while the latter looks very Japanese.
#160 - themurp (03/16/2016) [-]
a category of artistic composition, as in music or literature, characterized by similarities in form, style, or subject matter.
a particular type or category of literature or art
a class or category of artistic endeavor having a particular form, content, technique, or the like
A category of artistic composition, as in music or literature, marked by a distinctive style, form, or content
Never does it say a genre can't be general.
I would agree is is a very general genre, but it is a genre nonetheless.
Anime is like Science-fiction, whereas Shoujo is like cyberpunk. In relation to genre, I haven't seen any shoujo cyberpunk, regardless of how cool that would be.
#165 - alleksi (03/16/2016) [-]
The only definition there that fits anime is "a particular type or category of literature or art" which is vague as fuck and could practically make anything a genre, which defeats the purpose of having the word. The definition of anime is not restricted by form, style, subject matter, content, technique. Location/staff is all that matters.
Think of it like this. Cartoon/animation is a medium. All anime are cartoons, but not all cartoons are anime. When using the word "anime", we move away from the definition of a medium, into a definition of an industry. If I say "anime", I do so because I want to make the clear distinction that we are talking specifically about Japanese Cartoons, which is not a genre (just like "Russian films" isn't a genre), but rather an industry within which lies multiple various genres.
Anime is like "foreign films" where as cartoons are like just "films". That's about as good of an analogy as you can get.
#171 - themurp (03/16/2016) [-]
Both Cartoons and Anime are both genres and mediums. I'll admit the word has more use as a medium though.
Just because it's general doesn't mean it has no purpose. You can't just jump to specifics and skip the big picture.
The definition of anime is not restricted by form, style, subject matter, content, technique. as long as it's animated
The definition of comedy is not restricted by form, style, subject matter, content, technique. as long as it intends to be funny.
#178 - alleksi (03/17/2016) [-]
I can't understand how you're getting a genre out of anime.
The point of genre's is to categorize similar things into groups. No matter if it's a big group or a small group.
So if you say that there's a genre called "anime", and that the defining factor of anime is that it's Japanese cartoons, then you are proposing that all anime (all japanese cartoons) are in some way the same, which is blatantly wrong.
I could tell a guy that there's a great genre of TV called "comedy". First he blindly watches FRIENDS, a sitcom, and it makes him laugh hard. Then he blindly watches Louie, a dark(er) comedy , but it doesn't make him laugh as hard. but in this case it's clear to him that goal of both shows is to try to make him laugh. even though the two shows are completely different there's still something inherently similar about them.
There is no such thing going on for all of anime.
Imagine you tell a person that there's this genre called "anime", and he goes and blindly watches one show and likes it; it's full of action and robots and shit, awesome! Then he blindly watches another one but it's completely different from the first one he saw; just a bunch of girls doing literally nothing.
Is that not a horrible definition for a genre? What should this guy expect next then?
The defining factor of anime is that they're Japanese, but being Japanese does not describe the work itself. "Being Japanese"/"being anime" has no inherent substantial meaning for the work itself.
The reason why the word even has a any demand is because of the industry that it refers to. There's an animation industry far away in the east that was/is consistently pumping out animation that was/is more adventurous and ambitious than most other industries combined, which raised interest and then people felt the need to be able to describe that. "This cartoon came from Japan, the place where a lot of good cartoons come from, it's anime".
The purpose of the word is to distinct the place of origin, not the content itself. Hence I cannot agree that it could in any way be a genre. (it's not even a medium).
#179 - themurp (03/17/2016) [-]
That's like saying because Japanese people have different looks and personalities Japanese isn't a type of person.
Anime refers to a culture and general style of film, and is a genre of film.
Film being synonymous with video.
Whichever is the correct syntax for comment linking...
#180 - alleksi (03/17/2016) [-]
"That's like saying because Japanese people have different looks and personalities Japanese isn't a type of person. "
well, Japanese isn't a type of person. There is no inherent personality attached to being Japanese. It's like asking whats the difference between Swedes and Finns, or Americans and Canadians. Being American doesn't say anything about the person.
and anime doesn't refer to a general style of film, because that's limiting the definition. that would mean that a cartoon that comes out of Japan, that doesn't conform to the general styles and standards of anime, wouldn't be anime, which is obviously nonsense because the defining factor of anime is that it's Japanese.
#181 - themurp (03/18/2016) [-]
from here is mostly off topic/
I'm saying that Japanese is a type of person not because it provides insight into the person, but insight about the persons background. Which doesn't really have any useful information from a logical standpoint but does have information from a human standpoint (which is inherently, mostly illogical)
Anime gives us a sort of direction, which might be false and misleading. But, if we never have misleading information or assumptions then everything we experience will just get a response of, "oh, that's a thing" if nothing has a bounds to define it, there will be things that break the norm.
I believe that such generalization are important. They give media a realm to escape from. While being inside the box is good, making something that stretches the definition is also good both potentially great, but one encourages uniqueness . Every 'anime' that doesn't really fit, extends the definition of 'anime' and provides a new border between anime and just animation. One day, probably, there will be no border. But today there is. Most people who consume both anime and non-anime media can easily differentiate even outlier material between the two.
/back on topic?
The general styles are all a part of 'anime'. It is broad because it refers to a culture of creation not so much the actual creation process. When something is considered a Japanese Animation, it is not referring to genetics, but culture. Anime is most non-live action video produced by the Japanese culture. Anime is not very specific, but Japanese culture is EXTREMELY specific. Anime is a genre because every Japanese person is, without fail, a product of Japanese culture.
I'm rather tipsy right now, so this may be entirely off topic, but I stand by everything I say, probably
I haven't updated my computer in so long outlier is considered not a word....
#166 - alleksi (03/16/2016) [-]
Anime is not a genre, because then anything that "looks like anime" would be anime. which isn't the case.
Again. anime style is an art style that isn't restricted by location, but when using the word "anime" in the context of "japanese cartoons", location does become a factor.
#105 - waker (03/16/2016) [-]
Well actually that description for anime would be wrong. I don't really mind either way though. It is literally the word for animation in japan.
....Then again, you could argue that the word indeed is a genre outside of japan due to how the word is mostly used. After all, a language is mostly defined by how people commonly use it, not the other way around....
#169 - themurp (03/16/2016) [-]
Weird, It's almost like words mean different things in different languages.
Maybe that's why people look at me funny when I tell them "私はアニメが好きです。"
Why doesn't everyone just speak every language at once?
Regardless, animation is a genre! Anyone who says "animation isn't a genre, it's a medium" is fucking stupid, it's both!
That's like saying, "it isn't a car, it's a mode of transportation."
#170 - waker (03/16/2016) [-]
I don't think that your example is really the same thing, though. I guess it's a "genre" of a type of video material but that's just nonsense. Usually when talking about genres people mean stuff like horror, drama or such.
So it wouldn't be right to make a list like:
"Horror, sci-fi, anime......"
But you could make a list like:
"TV-show, movie, anime....."
Too much talk about something that hardly even matters and belongs into the trash anyway.
#172 - themurp (03/16/2016) [-]
I talk about whatever there is to talk about. If you don't wanna discuss then don't reply. Or reply about something else. Or whatever. Shit dude, I'm not the police.
"Horror, sci-fi, anime......"
"TV-show, movie, anime....."
make sense, because anime can be defined in multiple ways.
"Horror, sci-fi, anime......" are being listed as subsets of TV-show or movie.
While "TV-show, movie, anime....." are being listed as subsets of film.
They are about different things, but some can be moved into different levels of description.
We are speaking English. One of the best languages for giving you many ways of subtly changing meaning. Being able to change the hierarchy or meaning is important for staying literate. Anime can be called a genre and a medium, but there is a subtle difference in meaning between using it as either.
#173 - waker (03/16/2016) [-]
By your earlier logic that's like saying "cat belongs to the same level as mammal and reptile" - just saying that now when I came up with something as ridiculously incomparable as you did earlier, just to show you that you can't really make comparisons like that between things in every case.
I guess it comes down to what you believe yourself because it's not easy to present real "evidence" to back up what you're saying. I didn't know though that English is good at subtly changing meaning seeing as for example in my language you could add a really big variety of little bits of information into a single word, describing the same word in english could take like 10 words to describe it. Out of all the languages I know English feels really shallow to me really in that sense. I can't really say I know other languages than English and Finnish too well but I've studied couple of others.
And here ends my useless babbling, I don't know if you got anything out of this, hopefully I wasn't too mean because that wasn't my intention, and have a nice day.
#174 - themurp (03/17/2016) [-]
It's cool, I encounter haters a lot, which makes me feel bit bad for making them angry..... sorry angry dudes... boy do they get angry
Anyways, my comparison is different. You can't use cat to describe at the level of mammal. Because cat can't used to describe more than one separate thing below it. At that level, cat doesn't add anymore information than it does at its more specific level. I.E. Cat can't be used to describe birds or reptiles.
for the purpose of this discussion, a trivial subset is considered as not a subset
Consider a group of all creatures capable of air breathing. Everything in this group can breathe air, so saying a member of it is air breathing adds no information and is thus not a subset of the group. Mammals are all air breathing, but only a few fish are. These are in the group.
Now Consider the phylum chordate Contains mammals fish reptiles and such . Not all it's constituents can breathe air, so you can specify to some of its constituents as being air breathers.
Because of the diversity in the group of all air breathing creatures, you can consider it smaller, but mostly equal in scope to chordate. Yet air breathing is a subset of chordate, but not the group of all air breathing creature. This is because the terms can, depending on the group you're referring to, be at different levels of specification.
In this way. Anime is not a genre of anime. Anime is a genre of film or movie or comedy, but not in the same way. Anime is a genre of cartoon, but since all anime are cartoons, if you had a group specified as film>movies>anime, there is no appropriate level for cartoons in the grouping.
Note: this is not limited to any language or culture
#28 - wraithguard (03/16/2016) [-]
The problem is that anime as a genre is WAY TO BROAD. If someone tried to describe a show to you saying that it was an anime then you still know next to nothing about it. That's like picking a story that hasn't been made into film, and describing it by saying "it's a paper book". It's a useless categorization.
#167 - wraithguard (03/16/2016) [-]
I'm using word paper in the structural sense. Cardboard is basically a form of paper. Also, saying that it's an anime movies still tells you nothing about it. A person not well versed in popular anime series might THINK that they can stereotypically guess what's in it, but that would only be an assumption made out of ignorance. The average person knows so little about anime "culture" that they aren't even aware of how little they know.
#32 - ZenMacros (03/16/2016) [-]
Well the same can be said about actual genres. If someone just refers to something as a "comedy" then you know nothing about it other than the fact that it's supposed to be funny. But you're not gonna describe something with just the one term. If someone wants to know about it you'll go more in depth with it.
I see your point, though, and that's why there are more specific genres like "stoner comedy, raunchy comedy, romantic comedy, etc." But I feel like Netflix can get away with just saying "anime" because they don't really have that much anime to choose from.
#130 - elaxx (03/16/2016) [-]
Well, the thing with anime is that there are comedies too, same with drama, horror, etc. Anime just means that it's animated and you actually know less about it than just "comedy". Because you don't know whether it's supposed to make you laugh or cry. You could as well call any animated Disney movie "anime". Anime only specifies a medium rather than the content. The only thing I can come up with to justify anime marking as a genre is that asian/japanese animated movies in general have a very specific vibe and style. But then you can make a genre of "Disney" as well. So in general it doesn't make much sense compared to the other genres.
#118 - anon (03/16/2016) [-]
and that's why there are more specific genres to anime. Do some research.
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#186 - burningchimera (05/25/2015) [-]
I can't stand jpop like AKB48, kyaryi pomyu pomyu, all that shit, but jrock on the other hand i can get behind. ONE OK ROCK, My First Story, Rookiez is punk'd, Beat Crusaders, Mintjam, AKFG, flow, and a small amount of L'arc en Ciel. Just no visual kei, i know it's not technically a genre but a dress style, but it all sounds the same to me, with very few exceptions.