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#219 - He was making outrageous propositions to show how stupid the l…  [+] (3 new replies) 01/19/2015 on Make up your own minds. 0
User avatar #222 - bateking (01/19/2015) [-]
We have come to the conclusions that Muhhamed was a warlord right?
User avatar #221 - bateking (01/19/2015) [-]
Also Europe did cause the holocaust, what kind of point where you even trying to make there? That Hitler needed a scapegoat? Sure, but he also hated jews, anti semitism was pretty prevalent back then, as it is in much of the muslim world now. Man wouldnt it be the shit if a majority of muslims were open caring people that accepted other religions as equals, wouldnt that be the shit
User avatar #220 - bateking (01/19/2015) [-]
Islam did cause 9/11, as much as politics did. Are you seriously trying to ignore the important role Islam plays for these terrorist? I can acknowledge that it is a geo political issue you can acknowledge that it is also a religious issue n
#212 - I skimmed through the first two sources you linked me to. …  [+] (1 new reply) 01/18/2015 on Make up your own minds. 0
User avatar #213 - bateking (01/19/2015) [-]
Nigga the sources just used examples from the Quran. Muhhameds conquests are historical facts. Unless all western historians are wrong, now wouldnt that be something. The historical context etc is clearly there, these are whole essays not just random verses.

The no true scotsman fallacy comes into play when muslims claim other muslims that commit terrorist acts arnt "real" muslims
#211 - You try to scare everyone with your talk of Sharia Law. I woul…  [+] (6 new replies) 01/18/2015 on Make up your own minds. 0
User avatar #217 - bateking (01/19/2015) [-]
Reading through the comment section its always funny to me when Muslims claim Islam is peaceful because if all Muslims or the majority of muslims were violent no other people would exist. As if the other 6-7 billion wouldnt just massacre them, lol muslim countries are weak as shit and the only reason the extremist survive is because we try to differentiate between the good and bad. If all or most muslims turned extremist America alone would just raze the middle east and lot of geopolitical problems would be done. Not to mention what places like Russia would do. A majority of muslims are not terrorist, which is great, but even if they were it would be a very very short lived threat, these people are hilarious
User avatar #216 - bateking (01/19/2015) [-]
Are you serious. I actually take time to watch this debate and hes being picky over Islam being born in Saudi Arabia because Saudi Arabia came later? He clearly knows she or whoever made that cooment ment what was to become Saudi Arabia. I hope the rest of the debate doesnt go on like this.
Lol I love this. So hes saying Islam was the shit back in the day. Its conservative and backwards af now. Is he serious with the Jews thing? Hes not going to take lessons on anti-semitism from someone from the judeo-christian continent that murdered 6 million jews. In the 40s? and help me here but didnt Britain fight and bleed against the people that were killing the Jews? Is this nigga serious. You have muslim countries and muslim groups trying to destroy the jew TODAY. Anti semitism wasnt imported from the west, lol is this nigga fr. Also Europe as a whole is to be held responsible for the holocaust huh? Good thing I blame 1.5 billion people for 9/11. This nigga is retarded. LOL did you honestly quote him for your argument, okay. I like how he's so fervently trying to convince us that mainstream Islam is against terrorism, are you sure I wont find opinion polls where muslims support the death of Charlie? Also hes preaching to the choir. If he wants to rant about the Quran and verses used for terrorism, the Taliban is who to tell not a room full of Englishmen. Is this nigga serious. The US military couldnt finish off muslim extrimists, its not 0.0001% of muslims thats an argument straight from the butthole. Goddamit the only fbi data I could find is ten years old. I sure would like to see the source for his numbers though. I wonder what the opposition had to say
User avatar #219 - alltimetens (01/19/2015) [-]
He was making outrageous propositions to show how stupid the lady who debated before him was being. Saying that Islam caused 9/11 is like saying Europe caused the Holocaust. Holy shit, dude. I'm not going to bother explaining something so simple.
User avatar #222 - bateking (01/19/2015) [-]
We have come to the conclusions that Muhhamed was a warlord right?
User avatar #221 - bateking (01/19/2015) [-]
Also Europe did cause the holocaust, what kind of point where you even trying to make there? That Hitler needed a scapegoat? Sure, but he also hated jews, anti semitism was pretty prevalent back then, as it is in much of the muslim world now. Man wouldnt it be the shit if a majority of muslims were open caring people that accepted other religions as equals, wouldnt that be the shit
User avatar #220 - bateking (01/19/2015) [-]
Islam did cause 9/11, as much as politics did. Are you seriously trying to ignore the important role Islam plays for these terrorist? I can acknowledge that it is a geo political issue you can acknowledge that it is also a religious issue n
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User avatar #340 - ugoboom (01/18/2015) [-]
holy shit can you not scroll like two inches down
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User avatar #343 - alltimetens (01/18/2015) [-]
fk u faget
#204 - I don't even think I need to address the "Muhammad was a …  [+] (14 new replies) 01/18/2015 on Make up your own minds. 0
User avatar #205 - bateking (01/18/2015) [-]
"I don't even think I need to address the "Muhammad was a conqueror" point. We all know that's absolute bullshit." are you serious mate
www.thereligionofpeace.com/muhammad/myths-mu-home.htm
www.salemthesoldier.us/prophet_to_conqueror.html
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad
I mean this is just basic history bruh, or are all non Muslim historians wrong because they dont cuddle to your ideological view of Muhammad. Lol, I was taking you seriously too

Sure there will be corruption. Look at Africa and Asia, then look at what ties Africa, Asia, and The Middle East together. Islam. It is at the heart of the problem. You have muslim filipinos fighting for an independent state, you have boko haram trying to oust western influence and have their little caliphate. Not to mention the muslim teenagers from all over the world that go to fight in syria or join extrimist groups.

It is the no true scotsman fallcy, that is exactly what it is. I dont give a shit about Islam or the Quran or any religion for that matter, you dont have to preach to me that Islam is peaceful. Lets have Muslims march in the millions holding signs qouting the peaceful parts of the Quran, now thats fighting terrorism. Too bad to many muslims support sharia law and or hold very conservative values. Whenever some muslim does something bad instead of muslims coming up and saying we understand how he/they misinterpreted this very clear line to kill all infidels for heavenly reward, we will try to teach them/our children better, they just shrug and go not our problem, they wernt real muslims. That is exactly the no true scotsman fallacy, you shouldnt need to have someone spell it out for you. Ahmed that just blew himself up was a very devote muslim, prayed, fasted, gave to charity, all that bullshit. He just had a different world view and read more of the parts of the Quran commanding war and dominance. Too fucking bad, still a muslim, still a muslim issue. If we had christians slaughtering villages and just being general dumbfucks based on their interpretation of the bible we'd still acknowledge them as christians, fucked up stupid christian. Same for the muslim extremist. Pretending there isnt a problem isnt going to help anyone. Its political sure, but it is also very religious. The Charlie incident for example. Those terrorists wernt out to protest Gaza or some shit, they took offense at the caricature of a figure very dear to them, hint it wasnt Jesus, and they did what they did.

A very tiny minority. Sure. That tiny minority has more than enough to fill a US sized country 15-20% I believe according to the FBI. Thats a lot of Muslims. Out of context, lol. Like ISIS and Co dont have imams telling them their interpretation is right and you brainwashed westernized muslims are wrong. You guys can have your pissin contest, Sunni, Shia, kill infidels, dont kill infidels, dont care. Religion is very much in hand with this though. The common Isis grunt cares as much about his religion as he does ousting western powers to build a caliphate.

User avatar #212 - alltimetens (01/18/2015) [-]
I skimmed through the first two sources you linked me to.

Dude... at least post from objective articles that don't cherry-pick verses of the Quran. You're doing the same exact thing as the terrorists; you cherry-pick lines without any historical understanding, any context, or any background.

And no, this is not me using the "No True Scotsman" fallacy. This is basic fucking logic. You don't go out killing people all willy-nilly in the high street, in a bus, or at a mall based on verses that you cherry-picked without basic understanding.
User avatar #213 - bateking (01/19/2015) [-]
Nigga the sources just used examples from the Quran. Muhhameds conquests are historical facts. Unless all western historians are wrong, now wouldnt that be something. The historical context etc is clearly there, these are whole essays not just random verses.

The no true scotsman fallacy comes into play when muslims claim other muslims that commit terrorist acts arnt "real" muslims
User avatar #211 - alltimetens (01/18/2015) [-]
You try to scare everyone with your talk of Sharia Law. I would love to see the Book of Sharia Law. Oh wait IT DOESN'T EXIST. By portraying Sharia Law as some form of oppressive theocratic dictatorship, you empower the extremists. There are as many interpretations of Sharia Law as there are Muslims. I don't think you understand Sharia Law as much as you think you do.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlvpGshhTrI


Watch this debate with Peter Atkins, who basically said the same exact things you said.
User avatar #217 - bateking (01/19/2015) [-]
Reading through the comment section its always funny to me when Muslims claim Islam is peaceful because if all Muslims or the majority of muslims were violent no other people would exist. As if the other 6-7 billion wouldnt just massacre them, lol muslim countries are weak as shit and the only reason the extremist survive is because we try to differentiate between the good and bad. If all or most muslims turned extremist America alone would just raze the middle east and lot of geopolitical problems would be done. Not to mention what places like Russia would do. A majority of muslims are not terrorist, which is great, but even if they were it would be a very very short lived threat, these people are hilarious
User avatar #216 - bateking (01/19/2015) [-]
Are you serious. I actually take time to watch this debate and hes being picky over Islam being born in Saudi Arabia because Saudi Arabia came later? He clearly knows she or whoever made that cooment ment what was to become Saudi Arabia. I hope the rest of the debate doesnt go on like this.
Lol I love this. So hes saying Islam was the shit back in the day. Its conservative and backwards af now. Is he serious with the Jews thing? Hes not going to take lessons on anti-semitism from someone from the judeo-christian continent that murdered 6 million jews. In the 40s? and help me here but didnt Britain fight and bleed against the people that were killing the Jews? Is this nigga serious. You have muslim countries and muslim groups trying to destroy the jew TODAY. Anti semitism wasnt imported from the west, lol is this nigga fr. Also Europe as a whole is to be held responsible for the holocaust huh? Good thing I blame 1.5 billion people for 9/11. This nigga is retarded. LOL did you honestly quote him for your argument, okay. I like how he's so fervently trying to convince us that mainstream Islam is against terrorism, are you sure I wont find opinion polls where muslims support the death of Charlie? Also hes preaching to the choir. If he wants to rant about the Quran and verses used for terrorism, the Taliban is who to tell not a room full of Englishmen. Is this nigga serious. The US military couldnt finish off muslim extrimists, its not 0.0001% of muslims thats an argument straight from the butthole. Goddamit the only fbi data I could find is ten years old. I sure would like to see the source for his numbers though. I wonder what the opposition had to say
User avatar #219 - alltimetens (01/19/2015) [-]
He was making outrageous propositions to show how stupid the lady who debated before him was being. Saying that Islam caused 9/11 is like saying Europe caused the Holocaust. Holy shit, dude. I'm not going to bother explaining something so simple.
User avatar #222 - bateking (01/19/2015) [-]
We have come to the conclusions that Muhhamed was a warlord right?
User avatar #221 - bateking (01/19/2015) [-]
Also Europe did cause the holocaust, what kind of point where you even trying to make there? That Hitler needed a scapegoat? Sure, but he also hated jews, anti semitism was pretty prevalent back then, as it is in much of the muslim world now. Man wouldnt it be the shit if a majority of muslims were open caring people that accepted other religions as equals, wouldnt that be the shit
User avatar #220 - bateking (01/19/2015) [-]
Islam did cause 9/11, as much as politics did. Are you seriously trying to ignore the important role Islam plays for these terrorist? I can acknowledge that it is a geo political issue you can acknowledge that it is also a religious issue n
User avatar #206 - bible (01/18/2015) [-]
Wow look at all that text

So what are we bitching about today?
User avatar #207 - bateking (01/18/2015) [-]
Oh you know, just Islams role in terrorism
User avatar #208 - bible (01/18/2015) [-]
Sounds super fun.

I hear lots of pretty horrible stories. People suck.
User avatar #209 - bateking (01/18/2015) [-]
They sure do
#189 - I honestly don't think you know as much as you think you know …  [+] (16 new replies) 01/18/2015 on Make up your own minds. 0
User avatar #190 - bateking (01/18/2015) [-]
I know its complex issue, never claimed it was just Islam, but since you want to be a history major are you going to sit there and claim that Islam has ever been peaceful. Muhammed was a conquerer, sunnis and shias have been killing each other since forever, the spread of islam even to Europe was by the sword, and the Ottoman empire wasnt playing around.

There wernt terrorist in the 20th century because muslim countries were weak or under the rule of others. Britain held it down for awhile. Some people just havnt passed their theocratic phase yet, looking at you Muslim world, backwards af. Of course Britains stupid borders, Russias invasion, and our supporting supposedly moderate rebel groups didnt help at fucking all. I understand its a complex issue and theres a lot left for me to learn, I started reading about the different factions and alliances and I just couldnt, but dont take me for a fool and pretend Islam is some victim in all this. I hate it when muslims pullout the no true scotsman card after every attack. The Quran can be viewed from many lenses and unfortunately from the view of some people in the middle east terrorism or what we call terrorism is the way to go. Not just even in the middle east, muslims everywhere tend to be very conservative
User avatar #204 - alltimetens (01/18/2015) [-]
I don't even think I need to address the "Muhammad was a conqueror" point. We all know that's absolute bullshit.

But when you made reference of Great Britain (and all the other European colonizers) then you basically cited the problem. When you conquer and divide an entire continent/region, and pick dictators to rule of the people, well no fucking shit there will be corruption.

This is not the "No true Scotsman Fallacy". If you honestly think that the way the Quran (or any religion for that matter) is to cherry-pick a quote on violence and then use that as justification for mass slaughter, without any context or conceptualization, then you simply aren't knowledgeable to discuss on the topic.

YES, there are verses in the Quran that point to war and violence, of course there are. No one is here to argue that Islam is a movement of pacifism. I'm not here to imply that Islam is a pacifistic faith, because IT ISN'T. Islam allows certain acts of violence in certain limited contexts. And YES, a very tiny minority of Muslims do take it OUT of that context. But is it religious? No. It's almost entirely political. Really, I could find you justification from any perspective on almost any doctrine.
User avatar #205 - bateking (01/18/2015) [-]
"I don't even think I need to address the "Muhammad was a conqueror" point. We all know that's absolute bullshit." are you serious mate
www.thereligionofpeace.com/muhammad/myths-mu-home.htm
www.salemthesoldier.us/prophet_to_conqueror.html
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad
I mean this is just basic history bruh, or are all non Muslim historians wrong because they dont cuddle to your ideological view of Muhammad. Lol, I was taking you seriously too

Sure there will be corruption. Look at Africa and Asia, then look at what ties Africa, Asia, and The Middle East together. Islam. It is at the heart of the problem. You have muslim filipinos fighting for an independent state, you have boko haram trying to oust western influence and have their little caliphate. Not to mention the muslim teenagers from all over the world that go to fight in syria or join extrimist groups.

It is the no true scotsman fallcy, that is exactly what it is. I dont give a shit about Islam or the Quran or any religion for that matter, you dont have to preach to me that Islam is peaceful. Lets have Muslims march in the millions holding signs qouting the peaceful parts of the Quran, now thats fighting terrorism. Too bad to many muslims support sharia law and or hold very conservative values. Whenever some muslim does something bad instead of muslims coming up and saying we understand how he/they misinterpreted this very clear line to kill all infidels for heavenly reward, we will try to teach them/our children better, they just shrug and go not our problem, they wernt real muslims. That is exactly the no true scotsman fallacy, you shouldnt need to have someone spell it out for you. Ahmed that just blew himself up was a very devote muslim, prayed, fasted, gave to charity, all that bullshit. He just had a different world view and read more of the parts of the Quran commanding war and dominance. Too fucking bad, still a muslim, still a muslim issue. If we had christians slaughtering villages and just being general dumbfucks based on their interpretation of the bible we'd still acknowledge them as christians, fucked up stupid christian. Same for the muslim extremist. Pretending there isnt a problem isnt going to help anyone. Its political sure, but it is also very religious. The Charlie incident for example. Those terrorists wernt out to protest Gaza or some shit, they took offense at the caricature of a figure very dear to them, hint it wasnt Jesus, and they did what they did.

A very tiny minority. Sure. That tiny minority has more than enough to fill a US sized country 15-20% I believe according to the FBI. Thats a lot of Muslims. Out of context, lol. Like ISIS and Co dont have imams telling them their interpretation is right and you brainwashed westernized muslims are wrong. You guys can have your pissin contest, Sunni, Shia, kill infidels, dont kill infidels, dont care. Religion is very much in hand with this though. The common Isis grunt cares as much about his religion as he does ousting western powers to build a caliphate.

User avatar #212 - alltimetens (01/18/2015) [-]
I skimmed through the first two sources you linked me to.

Dude... at least post from objective articles that don't cherry-pick verses of the Quran. You're doing the same exact thing as the terrorists; you cherry-pick lines without any historical understanding, any context, or any background.

And no, this is not me using the "No True Scotsman" fallacy. This is basic fucking logic. You don't go out killing people all willy-nilly in the high street, in a bus, or at a mall based on verses that you cherry-picked without basic understanding.
User avatar #213 - bateking (01/19/2015) [-]
Nigga the sources just used examples from the Quran. Muhhameds conquests are historical facts. Unless all western historians are wrong, now wouldnt that be something. The historical context etc is clearly there, these are whole essays not just random verses.

The no true scotsman fallacy comes into play when muslims claim other muslims that commit terrorist acts arnt "real" muslims
User avatar #211 - alltimetens (01/18/2015) [-]
You try to scare everyone with your talk of Sharia Law. I would love to see the Book of Sharia Law. Oh wait IT DOESN'T EXIST. By portraying Sharia Law as some form of oppressive theocratic dictatorship, you empower the extremists. There are as many interpretations of Sharia Law as there are Muslims. I don't think you understand Sharia Law as much as you think you do.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlvpGshhTrI


Watch this debate with Peter Atkins, who basically said the same exact things you said.
User avatar #217 - bateking (01/19/2015) [-]
Reading through the comment section its always funny to me when Muslims claim Islam is peaceful because if all Muslims or the majority of muslims were violent no other people would exist. As if the other 6-7 billion wouldnt just massacre them, lol muslim countries are weak as shit and the only reason the extremist survive is because we try to differentiate between the good and bad. If all or most muslims turned extremist America alone would just raze the middle east and lot of geopolitical problems would be done. Not to mention what places like Russia would do. A majority of muslims are not terrorist, which is great, but even if they were it would be a very very short lived threat, these people are hilarious
User avatar #216 - bateking (01/19/2015) [-]
Are you serious. I actually take time to watch this debate and hes being picky over Islam being born in Saudi Arabia because Saudi Arabia came later? He clearly knows she or whoever made that cooment ment what was to become Saudi Arabia. I hope the rest of the debate doesnt go on like this.
Lol I love this. So hes saying Islam was the shit back in the day. Its conservative and backwards af now. Is he serious with the Jews thing? Hes not going to take lessons on anti-semitism from someone from the judeo-christian continent that murdered 6 million jews. In the 40s? and help me here but didnt Britain fight and bleed against the people that were killing the Jews? Is this nigga serious. You have muslim countries and muslim groups trying to destroy the jew TODAY. Anti semitism wasnt imported from the west, lol is this nigga fr. Also Europe as a whole is to be held responsible for the holocaust huh? Good thing I blame 1.5 billion people for 9/11. This nigga is retarded. LOL did you honestly quote him for your argument, okay. I like how he's so fervently trying to convince us that mainstream Islam is against terrorism, are you sure I wont find opinion polls where muslims support the death of Charlie? Also hes preaching to the choir. If he wants to rant about the Quran and verses used for terrorism, the Taliban is who to tell not a room full of Englishmen. Is this nigga serious. The US military couldnt finish off muslim extrimists, its not 0.0001% of muslims thats an argument straight from the butthole. Goddamit the only fbi data I could find is ten years old. I sure would like to see the source for his numbers though. I wonder what the opposition had to say
User avatar #219 - alltimetens (01/19/2015) [-]
He was making outrageous propositions to show how stupid the lady who debated before him was being. Saying that Islam caused 9/11 is like saying Europe caused the Holocaust. Holy shit, dude. I'm not going to bother explaining something so simple.
User avatar #222 - bateking (01/19/2015) [-]
We have come to the conclusions that Muhhamed was a warlord right?
User avatar #221 - bateking (01/19/2015) [-]
Also Europe did cause the holocaust, what kind of point where you even trying to make there? That Hitler needed a scapegoat? Sure, but he also hated jews, anti semitism was pretty prevalent back then, as it is in much of the muslim world now. Man wouldnt it be the shit if a majority of muslims were open caring people that accepted other religions as equals, wouldnt that be the shit
User avatar #220 - bateking (01/19/2015) [-]
Islam did cause 9/11, as much as politics did. Are you seriously trying to ignore the important role Islam plays for these terrorist? I can acknowledge that it is a geo political issue you can acknowledge that it is also a religious issue n
User avatar #206 - bible (01/18/2015) [-]
Wow look at all that text

So what are we bitching about today?
User avatar #207 - bateking (01/18/2015) [-]
Oh you know, just Islams role in terrorism
User avatar #208 - bible (01/18/2015) [-]
Sounds super fun.

I hear lots of pretty horrible stories. People suck.
User avatar #209 - bateking (01/18/2015) [-]
They sure do
#186 - No. The point that I am trying to get across is that religion …  [+] (18 new replies) 01/18/2015 on Make up your own minds. 0
User avatar #188 - bateking (01/18/2015) [-]
Gee I wonder who killed most of those civilians, sure couldnt be muslims, seeing how the Quran forbids the killing of innocent, but then again there are some gory passages commanding the deaths of infidels. Gee guys the evil imperial pigs sure love shooting babies.

"Therefore, POLITICALLY-MOTIVATED extremists utilize religion to control uneducated men to further their own agendas." Accurate. Surprising that religion can still be used like that in the 21st century. Islams a bit behind huh. Most terrorist organizations do want their own state, or state free from western influence, or just really to build a caliphate. We can come to the conclusion that it is just as religiously motivated as political.

Lol and Iraq, ha. I would much rather have had our men and women stay the fuck at home as Hussein threatened war with Saudi Arabia, gassed his own people, and attempted genocide on the kurds. I peeked at his human rights violations, its really long. I would much rather have sat my coca cola fat ass at home and watched the horrors on the news than risk American lives and gain hatred for intervention. If only we could become a little more isolationist and stop providing the most humanitarian aid in the world. Damn it America.

The point I'm trying to get across is religion does not compose only a fraction of the issue, it plays a big role in the issue. Abu Bakar Albadghadi has a phd in islamic studies. Islam is at the core of what these people are doing, they very much believ themselves to be true muslims following the example set by Muhammad in his conquests. Yes they want to rule, but they arnt just fighting to have a country, they are fighting for a specific type of country. For a specific religion. Guess which one. You cant just pretend Islam is a side note to this. While Abu will be ruling those uneducated young men will be killing muslim infidels and everyone else to fight western influence which to them is an affront to islam. Islam is all the uneducated have, they dont get to rule a country, but those staunch believers think they get a heaven with all the bitches they can fuck.
User avatar #189 - alltimetens (01/18/2015) [-]
I honestly don't think you know as much as you think you know about the Middle Eastern politics. This is an incredibly complex issue, and to say that it's simply the fault of religion is absolutely laughable. Yeah, let's forget about all the geopolitical/economic/financial issues at hand. It's really just that darned 1400 year old religion, right?

If that's the case, then where has Islamic terrorism been the past half a century? We've really only been hearing about widespread Islamist groups for a quarter of a century, really. What about the rest of the 20th century? Seriously...
User avatar #190 - bateking (01/18/2015) [-]
I know its complex issue, never claimed it was just Islam, but since you want to be a history major are you going to sit there and claim that Islam has ever been peaceful. Muhammed was a conquerer, sunnis and shias have been killing each other since forever, the spread of islam even to Europe was by the sword, and the Ottoman empire wasnt playing around.

There wernt terrorist in the 20th century because muslim countries were weak or under the rule of others. Britain held it down for awhile. Some people just havnt passed their theocratic phase yet, looking at you Muslim world, backwards af. Of course Britains stupid borders, Russias invasion, and our supporting supposedly moderate rebel groups didnt help at fucking all. I understand its a complex issue and theres a lot left for me to learn, I started reading about the different factions and alliances and I just couldnt, but dont take me for a fool and pretend Islam is some victim in all this. I hate it when muslims pullout the no true scotsman card after every attack. The Quran can be viewed from many lenses and unfortunately from the view of some people in the middle east terrorism or what we call terrorism is the way to go. Not just even in the middle east, muslims everywhere tend to be very conservative
User avatar #204 - alltimetens (01/18/2015) [-]
I don't even think I need to address the "Muhammad was a conqueror" point. We all know that's absolute bullshit.

But when you made reference of Great Britain (and all the other European colonizers) then you basically cited the problem. When you conquer and divide an entire continent/region, and pick dictators to rule of the people, well no fucking shit there will be corruption.

This is not the "No true Scotsman Fallacy". If you honestly think that the way the Quran (or any religion for that matter) is to cherry-pick a quote on violence and then use that as justification for mass slaughter, without any context or conceptualization, then you simply aren't knowledgeable to discuss on the topic.

YES, there are verses in the Quran that point to war and violence, of course there are. No one is here to argue that Islam is a movement of pacifism. I'm not here to imply that Islam is a pacifistic faith, because IT ISN'T. Islam allows certain acts of violence in certain limited contexts. And YES, a very tiny minority of Muslims do take it OUT of that context. But is it religious? No. It's almost entirely political. Really, I could find you justification from any perspective on almost any doctrine.
User avatar #205 - bateking (01/18/2015) [-]
"I don't even think I need to address the "Muhammad was a conqueror" point. We all know that's absolute bullshit." are you serious mate
www.thereligionofpeace.com/muhammad/myths-mu-home.htm
www.salemthesoldier.us/prophet_to_conqueror.html
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad
I mean this is just basic history bruh, or are all non Muslim historians wrong because they dont cuddle to your ideological view of Muhammad. Lol, I was taking you seriously too

Sure there will be corruption. Look at Africa and Asia, then look at what ties Africa, Asia, and The Middle East together. Islam. It is at the heart of the problem. You have muslim filipinos fighting for an independent state, you have boko haram trying to oust western influence and have their little caliphate. Not to mention the muslim teenagers from all over the world that go to fight in syria or join extrimist groups.

It is the no true scotsman fallcy, that is exactly what it is. I dont give a shit about Islam or the Quran or any religion for that matter, you dont have to preach to me that Islam is peaceful. Lets have Muslims march in the millions holding signs qouting the peaceful parts of the Quran, now thats fighting terrorism. Too bad to many muslims support sharia law and or hold very conservative values. Whenever some muslim does something bad instead of muslims coming up and saying we understand how he/they misinterpreted this very clear line to kill all infidels for heavenly reward, we will try to teach them/our children better, they just shrug and go not our problem, they wernt real muslims. That is exactly the no true scotsman fallacy, you shouldnt need to have someone spell it out for you. Ahmed that just blew himself up was a very devote muslim, prayed, fasted, gave to charity, all that bullshit. He just had a different world view and read more of the parts of the Quran commanding war and dominance. Too fucking bad, still a muslim, still a muslim issue. If we had christians slaughtering villages and just being general dumbfucks based on their interpretation of the bible we'd still acknowledge them as christians, fucked up stupid christian. Same for the muslim extremist. Pretending there isnt a problem isnt going to help anyone. Its political sure, but it is also very religious. The Charlie incident for example. Those terrorists wernt out to protest Gaza or some shit, they took offense at the caricature of a figure very dear to them, hint it wasnt Jesus, and they did what they did.

A very tiny minority. Sure. That tiny minority has more than enough to fill a US sized country 15-20% I believe according to the FBI. Thats a lot of Muslims. Out of context, lol. Like ISIS and Co dont have imams telling them their interpretation is right and you brainwashed westernized muslims are wrong. You guys can have your pissin contest, Sunni, Shia, kill infidels, dont kill infidels, dont care. Religion is very much in hand with this though. The common Isis grunt cares as much about his religion as he does ousting western powers to build a caliphate.

User avatar #212 - alltimetens (01/18/2015) [-]
I skimmed through the first two sources you linked me to.

Dude... at least post from objective articles that don't cherry-pick verses of the Quran. You're doing the same exact thing as the terrorists; you cherry-pick lines without any historical understanding, any context, or any background.

And no, this is not me using the "No True Scotsman" fallacy. This is basic fucking logic. You don't go out killing people all willy-nilly in the high street, in a bus, or at a mall based on verses that you cherry-picked without basic understanding.
User avatar #213 - bateking (01/19/2015) [-]
Nigga the sources just used examples from the Quran. Muhhameds conquests are historical facts. Unless all western historians are wrong, now wouldnt that be something. The historical context etc is clearly there, these are whole essays not just random verses.

The no true scotsman fallacy comes into play when muslims claim other muslims that commit terrorist acts arnt "real" muslims
User avatar #211 - alltimetens (01/18/2015) [-]
You try to scare everyone with your talk of Sharia Law. I would love to see the Book of Sharia Law. Oh wait IT DOESN'T EXIST. By portraying Sharia Law as some form of oppressive theocratic dictatorship, you empower the extremists. There are as many interpretations of Sharia Law as there are Muslims. I don't think you understand Sharia Law as much as you think you do.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlvpGshhTrI


Watch this debate with Peter Atkins, who basically said the same exact things you said.
User avatar #217 - bateking (01/19/2015) [-]
Reading through the comment section its always funny to me when Muslims claim Islam is peaceful because if all Muslims or the majority of muslims were violent no other people would exist. As if the other 6-7 billion wouldnt just massacre them, lol muslim countries are weak as shit and the only reason the extremist survive is because we try to differentiate between the good and bad. If all or most muslims turned extremist America alone would just raze the middle east and lot of geopolitical problems would be done. Not to mention what places like Russia would do. A majority of muslims are not terrorist, which is great, but even if they were it would be a very very short lived threat, these people are hilarious
User avatar #216 - bateking (01/19/2015) [-]
Are you serious. I actually take time to watch this debate and hes being picky over Islam being born in Saudi Arabia because Saudi Arabia came later? He clearly knows she or whoever made that cooment ment what was to become Saudi Arabia. I hope the rest of the debate doesnt go on like this.
Lol I love this. So hes saying Islam was the shit back in the day. Its conservative and backwards af now. Is he serious with the Jews thing? Hes not going to take lessons on anti-semitism from someone from the judeo-christian continent that murdered 6 million jews. In the 40s? and help me here but didnt Britain fight and bleed against the people that were killing the Jews? Is this nigga serious. You have muslim countries and muslim groups trying to destroy the jew TODAY. Anti semitism wasnt imported from the west, lol is this nigga fr. Also Europe as a whole is to be held responsible for the holocaust huh? Good thing I blame 1.5 billion people for 9/11. This nigga is retarded. LOL did you honestly quote him for your argument, okay. I like how he's so fervently trying to convince us that mainstream Islam is against terrorism, are you sure I wont find opinion polls where muslims support the death of Charlie? Also hes preaching to the choir. If he wants to rant about the Quran and verses used for terrorism, the Taliban is who to tell not a room full of Englishmen. Is this nigga serious. The US military couldnt finish off muslim extrimists, its not 0.0001% of muslims thats an argument straight from the butthole. Goddamit the only fbi data I could find is ten years old. I sure would like to see the source for his numbers though. I wonder what the opposition had to say
User avatar #219 - alltimetens (01/19/2015) [-]
He was making outrageous propositions to show how stupid the lady who debated before him was being. Saying that Islam caused 9/11 is like saying Europe caused the Holocaust. Holy shit, dude. I'm not going to bother explaining something so simple.
User avatar #222 - bateking (01/19/2015) [-]
We have come to the conclusions that Muhhamed was a warlord right?
User avatar #221 - bateking (01/19/2015) [-]
Also Europe did cause the holocaust, what kind of point where you even trying to make there? That Hitler needed a scapegoat? Sure, but he also hated jews, anti semitism was pretty prevalent back then, as it is in much of the muslim world now. Man wouldnt it be the shit if a majority of muslims were open caring people that accepted other religions as equals, wouldnt that be the shit
User avatar #220 - bateking (01/19/2015) [-]
Islam did cause 9/11, as much as politics did. Are you seriously trying to ignore the important role Islam plays for these terrorist? I can acknowledge that it is a geo political issue you can acknowledge that it is also a religious issue n
User avatar #206 - bible (01/18/2015) [-]
Wow look at all that text

So what are we bitching about today?
User avatar #207 - bateking (01/18/2015) [-]
Oh you know, just Islams role in terrorism
User avatar #208 - bible (01/18/2015) [-]
Sounds super fun.

I hear lots of pretty horrible stories. People suck.
User avatar #209 - bateking (01/18/2015) [-]
They sure do
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User avatar #184 - bateking (01/18/2015) [-]
"There is little to no connection between suicide terrorism and Islamic fundamentalism" Really nigga. I understand what you're saying and its a good point but are you trying to convince me, terrorism, Islamic terrorism, has nothing to do with Islam and the conservative views most muslims share. So all terrorist attacks are for us to remove our forces from their lands? Even though the goal of Hamas is to eradicate Israel? Even though ISIS has made it clear theyre out to destroy America? So if we leave the middle east everything will be fine and dandy? Sounds like a very apologist thing to say. I'd like to see the opposing view to his argument

Terrorism is to install fear and these ISLAMIC terrorist groups do want to control territories under sharia law. It has a lot to do with islam. Any documentary from pretty much any source will show you just how devoted the average grunt in the middle east is to their version of islam. The middle east is a mess of politics and religion, they walk hand in hand, its insulting for you to claim it has nothing to do with it
User avatar #186 - alltimetens (01/18/2015) [-]
No. The point that I am trying to get across is that religion only composes a fraction of the issue. The real issue is politics mixed in with absolute truths. Religion, like democracy, like communism, like social darwinism... is viewed widely as an absolute truth.

Therefore, POLITICALLY-MOTIVATED extremists utilize religion to control uneducated men to further their own agendas.

Now... I'm not saying that religion does not play a role. But the point still stands that if not religion, then other absolute truths will be used. Just like how we used "democracy" and "freedom" to invade Iraq (which led to the deaths of 750,000 Iraqi civilians.)

Now why would someone support the Iraqi War?
User avatar #188 - bateking (01/18/2015) [-]
Gee I wonder who killed most of those civilians, sure couldnt be muslims, seeing how the Quran forbids the killing of innocent, but then again there are some gory passages commanding the deaths of infidels. Gee guys the evil imperial pigs sure love shooting babies.

"Therefore, POLITICALLY-MOTIVATED extremists utilize religion to control uneducated men to further their own agendas." Accurate. Surprising that religion can still be used like that in the 21st century. Islams a bit behind huh. Most terrorist organizations do want their own state, or state free from western influence, or just really to build a caliphate. We can come to the conclusion that it is just as religiously motivated as political.

Lol and Iraq, ha. I would much rather have had our men and women stay the fuck at home as Hussein threatened war with Saudi Arabia, gassed his own people, and attempted genocide on the kurds. I peeked at his human rights violations, its really long. I would much rather have sat my coca cola fat ass at home and watched the horrors on the news than risk American lives and gain hatred for intervention. If only we could become a little more isolationist and stop providing the most humanitarian aid in the world. Damn it America.

The point I'm trying to get across is religion does not compose only a fraction of the issue, it plays a big role in the issue. Abu Bakar Albadghadi has a phd in islamic studies. Islam is at the core of what these people are doing, they very much believ themselves to be true muslims following the example set by Muhammad in his conquests. Yes they want to rule, but they arnt just fighting to have a country, they are fighting for a specific type of country. For a specific religion. Guess which one. You cant just pretend Islam is a side note to this. While Abu will be ruling those uneducated young men will be killing muslim infidels and everyone else to fight western influence which to them is an affront to islam. Islam is all the uneducated have, they dont get to rule a country, but those staunch believers think they get a heaven with all the bitches they can fuck.
User avatar #189 - alltimetens (01/18/2015) [-]
I honestly don't think you know as much as you think you know about the Middle Eastern politics. This is an incredibly complex issue, and to say that it's simply the fault of religion is absolutely laughable. Yeah, let's forget about all the geopolitical/economic/financial issues at hand. It's really just that darned 1400 year old religion, right?

If that's the case, then where has Islamic terrorism been the past half a century? We've really only been hearing about widespread Islamist groups for a quarter of a century, really. What about the rest of the 20th century? Seriously...
User avatar #190 - bateking (01/18/2015) [-]
I know its complex issue, never claimed it was just Islam, but since you want to be a history major are you going to sit there and claim that Islam has ever been peaceful. Muhammed was a conquerer, sunnis and shias have been killing each other since forever, the spread of islam even to Europe was by the sword, and the Ottoman empire wasnt playing around.

There wernt terrorist in the 20th century because muslim countries were weak or under the rule of others. Britain held it down for awhile. Some people just havnt passed their theocratic phase yet, looking at you Muslim world, backwards af. Of course Britains stupid borders, Russias invasion, and our supporting supposedly moderate rebel groups didnt help at fucking all. I understand its a complex issue and theres a lot left for me to learn, I started reading about the different factions and alliances and I just couldnt, but dont take me for a fool and pretend Islam is some victim in all this. I hate it when muslims pullout the no true scotsman card after every attack. The Quran can be viewed from many lenses and unfortunately from the view of some people in the middle east terrorism or what we call terrorism is the way to go. Not just even in the middle east, muslims everywhere tend to be very conservative
User avatar #204 - alltimetens (01/18/2015) [-]
I don't even think I need to address the "Muhammad was a conqueror" point. We all know that's absolute bullshit.

But when you made reference of Great Britain (and all the other European colonizers) then you basically cited the problem. When you conquer and divide an entire continent/region, and pick dictators to rule of the people, well no fucking shit there will be corruption.

This is not the "No true Scotsman Fallacy". If you honestly think that the way the Quran (or any religion for that matter) is to cherry-pick a quote on violence and then use that as justification for mass slaughter, without any context or conceptualization, then you simply aren't knowledgeable to discuss on the topic.

YES, there are verses in the Quran that point to war and violence, of course there are. No one is here to argue that Islam is a movement of pacifism. I'm not here to imply that Islam is a pacifistic faith, because IT ISN'T. Islam allows certain acts of violence in certain limited contexts. And YES, a very tiny minority of Muslims do take it OUT of that context. But is it religious? No. It's almost entirely political. Really, I could find you justification from any perspective on almost any doctrine.
User avatar #205 - bateking (01/18/2015) [-]
"I don't even think I need to address the "Muhammad was a conqueror" point. We all know that's absolute bullshit." are you serious mate
www.thereligionofpeace.com/muhammad/myths-mu-home.htm
www.salemthesoldier.us/prophet_to_conqueror.html
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad
I mean this is just basic history bruh, or are all non Muslim historians wrong because they dont cuddle to your ideological view of Muhammad. Lol, I was taking you seriously too

Sure there will be corruption. Look at Africa and Asia, then look at what ties Africa, Asia, and The Middle East together. Islam. It is at the heart of the problem. You have muslim filipinos fighting for an independent state, you have boko haram trying to oust western influence and have their little caliphate. Not to mention the muslim teenagers from all over the world that go to fight in syria or join extrimist groups.

It is the no true scotsman fallcy, that is exactly what it is. I dont give a shit about Islam or the Quran or any religion for that matter, you dont have to preach to me that Islam is peaceful. Lets have Muslims march in the millions holding signs qouting the peaceful parts of the Quran, now thats fighting terrorism. Too bad to many muslims support sharia law and or hold very conservative values. Whenever some muslim does something bad instead of muslims coming up and saying we understand how he/they misinterpreted this very clear line to kill all infidels for heavenly reward, we will try to teach them/our children better, they just shrug and go not our problem, they wernt real muslims. That is exactly the no true scotsman fallacy, you shouldnt need to have someone spell it out for you. Ahmed that just blew himself up was a very devote muslim, prayed, fasted, gave to charity, all that bullshit. He just had a different world view and read more of the parts of the Quran commanding war and dominance. Too fucking bad, still a muslim, still a muslim issue. If we had christians slaughtering villages and just being general dumbfucks based on their interpretation of the bible we'd still acknowledge them as christians, fucked up stupid christian. Same for the muslim extremist. Pretending there isnt a problem isnt going to help anyone. Its political sure, but it is also very religious. The Charlie incident for example. Those terrorists wernt out to protest Gaza or some shit, they took offense at the caricature of a figure very dear to them, hint it wasnt Jesus, and they did what they did.

A very tiny minority. Sure. That tiny minority has more than enough to fill a US sized country 15-20% I believe according to the FBI. Thats a lot of Muslims. Out of context, lol. Like ISIS and Co dont have imams telling them their interpretation is right and you brainwashed westernized muslims are wrong. You guys can have your pissin contest, Sunni, Shia, kill infidels, dont kill infidels, dont care. Religion is very much in hand with this though. The common Isis grunt cares as much about his religion as he does ousting western powers to build a caliphate.

User avatar #212 - alltimetens (01/18/2015) [-]
I skimmed through the first two sources you linked me to.

Dude... at least post from objective articles that don't cherry-pick verses of the Quran. You're doing the same exact thing as the terrorists; you cherry-pick lines without any historical understanding, any context, or any background.

And no, this is not me using the "No True Scotsman" fallacy. This is basic fucking logic. You don't go out killing people all willy-nilly in the high street, in a bus, or at a mall based on verses that you cherry-picked without basic understanding.
User avatar #213 - bateking (01/19/2015) [-]
Nigga the sources just used examples from the Quran. Muhhameds conquests are historical facts. Unless all western historians are wrong, now wouldnt that be something. The historical context etc is clearly there, these are whole essays not just random verses.

The no true scotsman fallacy comes into play when muslims claim other muslims that commit terrorist acts arnt "real" muslims
User avatar #211 - alltimetens (01/18/2015) [-]
You try to scare everyone with your talk of Sharia Law. I would love to see the Book of Sharia Law. Oh wait IT DOESN'T EXIST. By portraying Sharia Law as some form of oppressive theocratic dictatorship, you empower the extremists. There are as many interpretations of Sharia Law as there are Muslims. I don't think you understand Sharia Law as much as you think you do.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlvpGshhTrI


Watch this debate with Peter Atkins, who basically said the same exact things you said.
User avatar #217 - bateking (01/19/2015) [-]
Reading through the comment section its always funny to me when Muslims claim Islam is peaceful because if all Muslims or the majority of muslims were violent no other people would exist. As if the other 6-7 billion wouldnt just massacre them, lol muslim countries are weak as shit and the only reason the extremist survive is because we try to differentiate between the good and bad. If all or most muslims turned extremist America alone would just raze the middle east and lot of geopolitical problems would be done. Not to mention what places like Russia would do. A majority of muslims are not terrorist, which is great, but even if they were it would be a very very short lived threat, these people are hilarious
User avatar #216 - bateking (01/19/2015) [-]
Are you serious. I actually take time to watch this debate and hes being picky over Islam being born in Saudi Arabia because Saudi Arabia came later? He clearly knows she or whoever made that cooment ment what was to become Saudi Arabia. I hope the rest of the debate doesnt go on like this.
Lol I love this. So hes saying Islam was the shit back in the day. Its conservative and backwards af now. Is he serious with the Jews thing? Hes not going to take lessons on anti-semitism from someone from the judeo-christian continent that murdered 6 million jews. In the 40s? and help me here but didnt Britain fight and bleed against the people that were killing the Jews? Is this nigga serious. You have muslim countries and muslim groups trying to destroy the jew TODAY. Anti semitism wasnt imported from the west, lol is this nigga fr. Also Europe as a whole is to be held responsible for the holocaust huh? Good thing I blame 1.5 billion people for 9/11. This nigga is retarded. LOL did you honestly quote him for your argument, okay. I like how he's so fervently trying to convince us that mainstream Islam is against terrorism, are you sure I wont find opinion polls where muslims support the death of Charlie? Also hes preaching to the choir. If he wants to rant about the Quran and verses used for terrorism, the Taliban is who to tell not a room full of Englishmen. Is this nigga serious. The US military couldnt finish off muslim extrimists, its not 0.0001% of muslims thats an argument straight from the butthole. Goddamit the only fbi data I could find is ten years old. I sure would like to see the source for his numbers though. I wonder what the opposition had to say
User avatar #219 - alltimetens (01/19/2015) [-]
He was making outrageous propositions to show how stupid the lady who debated before him was being. Saying that Islam caused 9/11 is like saying Europe caused the Holocaust. Holy shit, dude. I'm not going to bother explaining something so simple.
User avatar #222 - bateking (01/19/2015) [-]
We have come to the conclusions that Muhhamed was a warlord right?
User avatar #221 - bateking (01/19/2015) [-]
Also Europe did cause the holocaust, what kind of point where you even trying to make there? That Hitler needed a scapegoat? Sure, but he also hated jews, anti semitism was pretty prevalent back then, as it is in much of the muslim world now. Man wouldnt it be the shit if a majority of muslims were open caring people that accepted other religions as equals, wouldnt that be the shit
User avatar #220 - bateking (01/19/2015) [-]
Islam did cause 9/11, as much as politics did. Are you seriously trying to ignore the important role Islam plays for these terrorist? I can acknowledge that it is a geo political issue you can acknowledge that it is also a religious issue n
User avatar #206 - bible (01/18/2015) [-]
Wow look at all that text

So what are we bitching about today?
User avatar #207 - bateking (01/18/2015) [-]
Oh you know, just Islams role in terrorism
User avatar #208 - bible (01/18/2015) [-]
Sounds super fun.

I hear lots of pretty horrible stories. People suck.
User avatar #209 - bateking (01/18/2015) [-]
They sure do
User avatar #183 - alltimetens (01/18/2015) [-]
oh, and
don't grow up to be educated**

Sorry, I typed that up in a hurry because I'm currently procrastinating on some math H.W and an essay.
User avatar #181 - alltimetens (01/18/2015) [-]
every individual case*
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User avatar #202 - womanexplain (01/18/2015) [-]
Also, 'Terrorism however is often traced in this modern day and age to Islam'
I didn't say always in any case, so shove off that 'point'.
User avatar #200 - womanexplain (01/18/2015) [-]
Also, one source from a website I've never even heard of amounts to no evidence whatsoever. Plus, the chart it shows only accounts for terrorism within the US, which isn't the main dilemma here.
I should also think that they have a proportionally large percentage for terrorism.
User avatar #199 - womanexplain (01/18/2015) [-]
My point actually was that for their group, terrorism is a big problem. I don't need to be able to read Arabic to understand Islam, and infact I've actually studied Islam so I do know what I'm talking about.
I know the media can over exaggerate issues, but in our day and age the Muslim terrorism issue cannot be dismissed as 'just a few bad apples'. I'm not solely against Islam either, I recognise that Religion as a whole is fucked up.
Don't push your Political correctness on me, you're an apologist, someone who seems to care more for defending a religion than solving the problem of mass terrorism.
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User avatar #141 - alltimetens (01/18/2015) [-]
www.loonwatch.com/2010/01/not-all-terrorists-are-muslims/

Here's a source that states that only 4% of global terrorism is done by Muslims.

Which is pretty fucking terrific considering that a quarter of humanity is in fact Muslim. And how would you know if an act of terrorism by a person who is Muslim was done in the name of Islam? If a guy named Osama Muhammad shot up a school, he would immediately be labeled as an "Islamic terrorist" who did it in the name of his vindictive religion.
User avatar #202 - womanexplain (01/18/2015) [-]
Also, 'Terrorism however is often traced in this modern day and age to Islam'
I didn't say always in any case, so shove off that 'point'.
User avatar #200 - womanexplain (01/18/2015) [-]
Also, one source from a website I've never even heard of amounts to no evidence whatsoever. Plus, the chart it shows only accounts for terrorism within the US, which isn't the main dilemma here.
I should also think that they have a proportionally large percentage for terrorism.
User avatar #199 - womanexplain (01/18/2015) [-]
My point actually was that for their group, terrorism is a big problem. I don't need to be able to read Arabic to understand Islam, and infact I've actually studied Islam so I do know what I'm talking about.
I know the media can over exaggerate issues, but in our day and age the Muslim terrorism issue cannot be dismissed as 'just a few bad apples'. I'm not solely against Islam either, I recognise that Religion as a whole is fucked up.
Don't push your Political correctness on me, you're an apologist, someone who seems to care more for defending a religion than solving the problem of mass terrorism.
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User avatar #172 - bateking (01/18/2015) [-]
To be fair he blamed religion, not the people. Also we have to admit those killings, terrorist attacks, are from a certain religion, driven primarily by religious motives. These arnt just random men killing children for fun
User avatar #210 - bible (01/18/2015) [-]
I think you're both right.
User avatar #180 - alltimetens (01/18/2015) [-]
Uh... absolutely not.


There have already been multiple studies conducted that have demonstrated that "religiously-motivated terrorism" is actually more politically constituted than anything else.

Listen to Professor Robert Pape of the University of Chicago, who is a leading and well-respected analyst of terrorism and national security. He conducted a study that examined every individual of suicide terrorism from 1980 to 2005. He concluded, and I quote:
"There is little to no connection between suicide terrorism and Islamic fundamentalism. Rather, what nearly all terrorist attacks share in common is a specific secular and strategic goal; to compel modern democracies to withdraw military forces from territory that the terrorists consider to be their homeland."

Clearly the terrorist attacks were done so that the younger and newer generations don't grow up to become education. Because as we all know, education is what they fear; populations of adults who understand the world poses a huge threat to groups that rely on the ignorance of the general population. There is no verse in the Quran as far as I know that prohibits going to school. No matter how you look at it, this was simply an act of terrorism in its most essential form; inciting fear into the minds of people so as to prevent children from attending their daily lessons.
User avatar #184 - bateking (01/18/2015) [-]
"There is little to no connection between suicide terrorism and Islamic fundamentalism" Really nigga. I understand what you're saying and its a good point but are you trying to convince me, terrorism, Islamic terrorism, has nothing to do with Islam and the conservative views most muslims share. So all terrorist attacks are for us to remove our forces from their lands? Even though the goal of Hamas is to eradicate Israel? Even though ISIS has made it clear theyre out to destroy America? So if we leave the middle east everything will be fine and dandy? Sounds like a very apologist thing to say. I'd like to see the opposing view to his argument

Terrorism is to install fear and these ISLAMIC terrorist groups do want to control territories under sharia law. It has a lot to do with islam. Any documentary from pretty much any source will show you just how devoted the average grunt in the middle east is to their version of islam. The middle east is a mess of politics and religion, they walk hand in hand, its insulting for you to claim it has nothing to do with it
User avatar #186 - alltimetens (01/18/2015) [-]
No. The point that I am trying to get across is that religion only composes a fraction of the issue. The real issue is politics mixed in with absolute truths. Religion, like democracy, like communism, like social darwinism... is viewed widely as an absolute truth.

Therefore, POLITICALLY-MOTIVATED extremists utilize religion to control uneducated men to further their own agendas.

Now... I'm not saying that religion does not play a role. But the point still stands that if not religion, then other absolute truths will be used. Just like how we used "democracy" and "freedom" to invade Iraq (which led to the deaths of 750,000 Iraqi civilians.)

Now why would someone support the Iraqi War?
User avatar #188 - bateking (01/18/2015) [-]
Gee I wonder who killed most of those civilians, sure couldnt be muslims, seeing how the Quran forbids the killing of innocent, but then again there are some gory passages commanding the deaths of infidels. Gee guys the evil imperial pigs sure love shooting babies.

"Therefore, POLITICALLY-MOTIVATED extremists utilize religion to control uneducated men to further their own agendas." Accurate. Surprising that religion can still be used like that in the 21st century. Islams a bit behind huh. Most terrorist organizations do want their own state, or state free from western influence, or just really to build a caliphate. We can come to the conclusion that it is just as religiously motivated as political.

Lol and Iraq, ha. I would much rather have had our men and women stay the fuck at home as Hussein threatened war with Saudi Arabia, gassed his own people, and attempted genocide on the kurds. I peeked at his human rights violations, its really long. I would much rather have sat my coca cola fat ass at home and watched the horrors on the news than risk American lives and gain hatred for intervention. If only we could become a little more isolationist and stop providing the most humanitarian aid in the world. Damn it America.

The point I'm trying to get across is religion does not compose only a fraction of the issue, it plays a big role in the issue. Abu Bakar Albadghadi has a phd in islamic studies. Islam is at the core of what these people are doing, they very much believ themselves to be true muslims following the example set by Muhammad in his conquests. Yes they want to rule, but they arnt just fighting to have a country, they are fighting for a specific type of country. For a specific religion. Guess which one. You cant just pretend Islam is a side note to this. While Abu will be ruling those uneducated young men will be killing muslim infidels and everyone else to fight western influence which to them is an affront to islam. Islam is all the uneducated have, they dont get to rule a country, but those staunch believers think they get a heaven with all the bitches they can fuck.
User avatar #189 - alltimetens (01/18/2015) [-]
I honestly don't think you know as much as you think you know about the Middle Eastern politics. This is an incredibly complex issue, and to say that it's simply the fault of religion is absolutely laughable. Yeah, let's forget about all the geopolitical/economic/financial issues at hand. It's really just that darned 1400 year old religion, right?

If that's the case, then where has Islamic terrorism been the past half a century? We've really only been hearing about widespread Islamist groups for a quarter of a century, really. What about the rest of the 20th century? Seriously...
User avatar #190 - bateking (01/18/2015) [-]
I know its complex issue, never claimed it was just Islam, but since you want to be a history major are you going to sit there and claim that Islam has ever been peaceful. Muhammed was a conquerer, sunnis and shias have been killing each other since forever, the spread of islam even to Europe was by the sword, and the Ottoman empire wasnt playing around.

There wernt terrorist in the 20th century because muslim countries were weak or under the rule of others. Britain held it down for awhile. Some people just havnt passed their theocratic phase yet, looking at you Muslim world, backwards af. Of course Britains stupid borders, Russias invasion, and our supporting supposedly moderate rebel groups didnt help at fucking all. I understand its a complex issue and theres a lot left for me to learn, I started reading about the different factions and alliances and I just couldnt, but dont take me for a fool and pretend Islam is some victim in all this. I hate it when muslims pullout the no true scotsman card after every attack. The Quran can be viewed from many lenses and unfortunately from the view of some people in the middle east terrorism or what we call terrorism is the way to go. Not just even in the middle east, muslims everywhere tend to be very conservative
User avatar #204 - alltimetens (01/18/2015) [-]
I don't even think I need to address the "Muhammad was a conqueror" point. We all know that's absolute bullshit.

But when you made reference of Great Britain (and all the other European colonizers) then you basically cited the problem. When you conquer and divide an entire continent/region, and pick dictators to rule of the people, well no fucking shit there will be corruption.

This is not the "No true Scotsman Fallacy". If you honestly think that the way the Quran (or any religion for that matter) is to cherry-pick a quote on violence and then use that as justification for mass slaughter, without any context or conceptualization, then you simply aren't knowledgeable to discuss on the topic.

YES, there are verses in the Quran that point to war and violence, of course there are. No one is here to argue that Islam is a movement of pacifism. I'm not here to imply that Islam is a pacifistic faith, because IT ISN'T. Islam allows certain acts of violence in certain limited contexts. And YES, a very tiny minority of Muslims do take it OUT of that context. But is it religious? No. It's almost entirely political. Really, I could find you justification from any perspective on almost any doctrine.
User avatar #205 - bateking (01/18/2015) [-]
"I don't even think I need to address the "Muhammad was a conqueror" point. We all know that's absolute bullshit." are you serious mate
www.thereligionofpeace.com/muhammad/myths-mu-home.htm
www.salemthesoldier.us/prophet_to_conqueror.html
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad
I mean this is just basic history bruh, or are all non Muslim historians wrong because they dont cuddle to your ideological view of Muhammad. Lol, I was taking you seriously too

Sure there will be corruption. Look at Africa and Asia, then look at what ties Africa, Asia, and The Middle East together. Islam. It is at the heart of the problem. You have muslim filipinos fighting for an independent state, you have boko haram trying to oust western influence and have their little caliphate. Not to mention the muslim teenagers from all over the world that go to fight in syria or join extrimist groups.

It is the no true scotsman fallcy, that is exactly what it is. I dont give a shit about Islam or the Quran or any religion for that matter, you dont have to preach to me that Islam is peaceful. Lets have Muslims march in the millions holding signs qouting the peaceful parts of the Quran, now thats fighting terrorism. Too bad to many muslims support sharia law and or hold very conservative values. Whenever some muslim does something bad instead of muslims coming up and saying we understand how he/they misinterpreted this very clear line to kill all infidels for heavenly reward, we will try to teach them/our children better, they just shrug and go not our problem, they wernt real muslims. That is exactly the no true scotsman fallacy, you shouldnt need to have someone spell it out for you. Ahmed that just blew himself up was a very devote muslim, prayed, fasted, gave to charity, all that bullshit. He just had a different world view and read more of the parts of the Quran commanding war and dominance. Too fucking bad, still a muslim, still a muslim issue. If we had christians slaughtering villages and just being general dumbfucks based on their interpretation of the bible we'd still acknowledge them as christians, fucked up stupid christian. Same for the muslim extremist. Pretending there isnt a problem isnt going to help anyone. Its political sure, but it is also very religious. The Charlie incident for example. Those terrorists wernt out to protest Gaza or some shit, they took offense at the caricature of a figure very dear to them, hint it wasnt Jesus, and they did what they did.

A very tiny minority. Sure. That tiny minority has more than enough to fill a US sized country 15-20% I believe according to the FBI. Thats a lot of Muslims. Out of context, lol. Like ISIS and Co dont have imams telling them their interpretation is right and you brainwashed westernized muslims are wrong. You guys can have your pissin contest, Sunni, Shia, kill infidels, dont kill infidels, dont care. Religion is very much in hand with this though. The common Isis grunt cares as much about his religion as he does ousting western powers to build a caliphate.

User avatar #212 - alltimetens (01/18/2015) [-]
I skimmed through the first two sources you linked me to.

Dude... at least post from objective articles that don't cherry-pick verses of the Quran. You're doing the same exact thing as the terrorists; you cherry-pick lines without any historical understanding, any context, or any background.

And no, this is not me using the "No True Scotsman" fallacy. This is basic fucking logic. You don't go out killing people all willy-nilly in the high street, in a bus, or at a mall based on verses that you cherry-picked without basic understanding.
User avatar #213 - bateking (01/19/2015) [-]
Nigga the sources just used examples from the Quran. Muhhameds conquests are historical facts. Unless all western historians are wrong, now wouldnt that be something. The historical context etc is clearly there, these are whole essays not just random verses.

The no true scotsman fallacy comes into play when muslims claim other muslims that commit terrorist acts arnt "real" muslims
User avatar #211 - alltimetens (01/18/2015) [-]
You try to scare everyone with your talk of Sharia Law. I would love to see the Book of Sharia Law. Oh wait IT DOESN'T EXIST. By portraying Sharia Law as some form of oppressive theocratic dictatorship, you empower the extremists. There are as many interpretations of Sharia Law as there are Muslims. I don't think you understand Sharia Law as much as you think you do.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlvpGshhTrI


Watch this debate with Peter Atkins, who basically said the same exact things you said.
User avatar #217 - bateking (01/19/2015) [-]
Reading through the comment section its always funny to me when Muslims claim Islam is peaceful because if all Muslims or the majority of muslims were violent no other people would exist. As if the other 6-7 billion wouldnt just massacre them, lol muslim countries are weak as shit and the only reason the extremist survive is because we try to differentiate between the good and bad. If all or most muslims turned extremist America alone would just raze the middle east and lot of geopolitical problems would be done. Not to mention what places like Russia would do. A majority of muslims are not terrorist, which is great, but even if they were it would be a very very short lived threat, these people are hilarious
User avatar #216 - bateking (01/19/2015) [-]
Are you serious. I actually take time to watch this debate and hes being picky over Islam being born in Saudi Arabia because Saudi Arabia came later? He clearly knows she or whoever made that cooment ment what was to become Saudi Arabia. I hope the rest of the debate doesnt go on like this.
Lol I love this. So hes saying Islam was the shit back in the day. Its conservative and backwards af now. Is he serious with the Jews thing? Hes not going to take lessons on anti-semitism from someone from the judeo-christian continent that murdered 6 million jews. In the 40s? and help me here but didnt Britain fight and bleed against the people that were killing the Jews? Is this nigga serious. You have muslim countries and muslim groups trying to destroy the jew TODAY. Anti semitism wasnt imported from the west, lol is this nigga fr. Also Europe as a whole is to be held responsible for the holocaust huh? Good thing I blame 1.5 billion people for 9/11. This nigga is retarded. LOL did you honestly quote him for your argument, okay. I like how he's so fervently trying to convince us that mainstream Islam is against terrorism, are you sure I wont find opinion polls where muslims support the death of Charlie? Also hes preaching to the choir. If he wants to rant about the Quran and verses used for terrorism, the Taliban is who to tell not a room full of Englishmen. Is this nigga serious. The US military couldnt finish off muslim extrimists, its not 0.0001% of muslims thats an argument straight from the butthole. Goddamit the only fbi data I could find is ten years old. I sure would like to see the source for his numbers though. I wonder what the opposition had to say
User avatar #219 - alltimetens (01/19/2015) [-]
He was making outrageous propositions to show how stupid the lady who debated before him was being. Saying that Islam caused 9/11 is like saying Europe caused the Holocaust. Holy shit, dude. I'm not going to bother explaining something so simple.
User avatar #222 - bateking (01/19/2015) [-]
We have come to the conclusions that Muhhamed was a warlord right?
User avatar #221 - bateking (01/19/2015) [-]
Also Europe did cause the holocaust, what kind of point where you even trying to make there? That Hitler needed a scapegoat? Sure, but he also hated jews, anti semitism was pretty prevalent back then, as it is in much of the muslim world now. Man wouldnt it be the shit if a majority of muslims were open caring people that accepted other religions as equals, wouldnt that be the shit
User avatar #220 - bateking (01/19/2015) [-]
Islam did cause 9/11, as much as politics did. Are you seriously trying to ignore the important role Islam plays for these terrorist? I can acknowledge that it is a geo political issue you can acknowledge that it is also a religious issue n
User avatar #206 - bible (01/18/2015) [-]
Wow look at all that text

So what are we bitching about today?
User avatar #207 - bateking (01/18/2015) [-]
Oh you know, just Islams role in terrorism
User avatar #208 - bible (01/18/2015) [-]
Sounds super fun.

I hear lots of pretty horrible stories. People suck.
User avatar #209 - bateking (01/18/2015) [-]
They sure do
User avatar #183 - alltimetens (01/18/2015) [-]
oh, and
don't grow up to be educated**

Sorry, I typed that up in a hurry because I'm currently procrastinating on some math H.W and an essay.
User avatar #181 - alltimetens (01/18/2015) [-]
every individual case*
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User avatar #10319728 - flutterfire (01/18/2015) [-]
The Telltale one? I'm not super into those games. I actually enjoy them more when I watch someone else make the decisions, oddly enough
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User avatar #10319691 - flutterfire (01/18/2015) [-]
It was mostly money given to me in birthday cards, so yeah, it was basically throw away money.
User avatar #10319712 - alltimetens (01/18/2015) [-]
Still though... you couldn't have bought the GOT game?
User avatar #10319728 - flutterfire (01/18/2015) [-]
The Telltale one? I'm not super into those games. I actually enjoy them more when I watch someone else make the decisions, oddly enough
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User avatar #10319689 - beastkenten (01/18/2015) [-]
and so is newbornrape but oh well
User avatar #10319685 - aczzoh (01/18/2015) [-]
"is" is a dangerous word
User avatar #10319759 - nelliel (01/18/2015) [-]
so is my penis
User avatar #10319683 - nelliel (01/18/2015) [-]
they is gay
User avatar #10319680 - kilroydotexe (01/18/2015) [-]
They.
User avatar #10319693 - alltimetens (01/18/2015) [-]
All jokes aside, it's been used for genocide and war.


"They" want to kill us. "They" are savages. "They" this and "They" that.

It has so much ambiguity as a word, because it doesn't specify who the person is referring to. But yet it causes so many deaths. Pretty intriguing
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User avatar #309 - masdercheef (01/17/2015) [-]
Dude. Every word you say just radiates an aura of "I'm a total douchebag".
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User avatar #265 - masdercheef (01/17/2015) [-]
Nugguh what the hell are you smoking

I'm pretty sure that 99% of people who dye their hair don't do it because they want to be clever, witty, or different. They just like the color, man.
User avatar #308 - alltimetens (01/17/2015) [-]
They look like idiots. Holy shit, why is the human race becoming a collection of pussies?
User avatar #309 - masdercheef (01/17/2015) [-]
Dude. Every word you say just radiates an aura of "I'm a total douchebag".
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User avatar #67 - douthit (01/16/2015) [-]
Where the money goes has nothing to do with the definition of theft.

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User avatar #180 - themagicdalek (06/11/2015) [-]
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#179 - mahaiz (04/30/2015) [-]
mfw entering your profile   
   
Mainly your name caught my interest.
mfw entering your profile

Mainly your name caught my interest.
User avatar #166 - badmotorfinger (03/09/2015) [-]
sup man aint talked in a while
User avatar #167 to #166 - alltimetens (03/09/2015) [-]
Hiya! Glad you stI'll remember me
User avatar #168 to #167 - badmotorfinger (03/09/2015) [-]
yeah, you're the iviagic guy
User avatar #170 to #168 - alltimetens (03/09/2015) [-]
Shhhhh
User avatar #171 to #170 - badmotorfinger (03/09/2015) [-]
haha whoops
cover blown
User avatar #169 to #168 - badmotorfinger (03/09/2015) [-]
that was forever ago
User avatar #172 to #169 - alltimetens (03/09/2015) [-]
Yeah
2015 already... good lord
User avatar #173 to #172 - badmotorfinger (03/09/2015) [-]
2010 still feels like 2 years ago
User avatar #175 to #173 - alltimetens (03/09/2015) [-]
Tell me about it. remember gangnam style? Felix Baumgartner? 2012 has been my favorite year so far.
User avatar #176 to #175 - badmotorfinger (03/09/2015) [-]
how could i forget gangnam style? or staying up on dec 21st to see whether or not i'd die
good times
User avatar #177 to #176 - alltimetens (03/09/2015) [-]
I remember spending hours and hours on skyrim. Loved that game dearly

When we're old, we'll be some weird ass grandparents
User avatar #178 to #177 - badmotorfinger (03/09/2015) [-]
i just want to live to see america turn 300
User avatar #174 to #173 - badmotorfinger (03/09/2015) [-]
so what have you been up to?
User avatar #163 - joshlol (12/21/2014) [-]
**joshlol waves at you**
User avatar #164 to #163 - alltimetens (12/21/2014) [-]
hey

i know nobody ever lived you before...


but i sorta like you
User avatar #165 to #164 - joshlol (12/21/2014) [-]
I'm not worth liking.

But thanks, what's up?
#162 - syrianassassin (05/31/2014) [-]
because you are new in the religion board, you must know what your enemy will do to your opinions

this is my first post in the religion board i talked with ethics and total respect and look what happened

www.funnyjunk.com/religion/54159#54159


now i am a troll who troll atheist trolls using their own logic and piss them off using their own life system and belief

new atheism =/= atheism

new atheism mean you shall be a total asshole against religion no matter how logical the answer is given

the board is full of heretics and you shall take care
#159 - syrianassassin (05/31/2014) [-]
i see you are a christian who came for some question in the religion board, and all you saw is some faggots trolling and ************
User avatar #160 to #159 - alltimetens (05/31/2014) [-]
I'm not really a Christian. I'm more of an agnostic.
User avatar #161 to #160 - syrianassassin (05/31/2014) [-]
and when you wanted answer, all you found is some new atheism bitches and cock sucking tranny faggots trolling you with nonsense
right?
#149 - John Cena (04/08/2014) [-]
hey your the guy from youtube
i like your videos dude
User avatar #154 to #149 - tranquilizer (04/20/2014) [-]
He's not them
User avatar #155 to #154 - badmotorfinger (05/02/2014) [-]
get the euthanization needle. they're becoming aware.
User avatar #156 to #155 - tranquilizer (05/02/2014) [-]
Wait
Where did you come from
The future?
#157 to #156 - nickypickle ONLINE (05/23/2014) [-]
I dunno if all this charade about being the one on youtube or not is all part of a 'sekretu klub' thing but its really getting to the point where someone needs some answers

yes? no? why is this such an issue I dont understand
User avatar #158 to #157 - tranquilizer (05/23/2014) [-]
Where do you people keep coming from I'm scared ;_;
#143 - zafara (04/07/2014) [-]
And with the mildly aroused Karasu picture, I am finished. Sorry for the spamish stuff, but you did ask me to and they do make good reaction images.
User avatar #145 to #143 - alltimetens (04/07/2014) [-]
No problem, man.

I appreciate all these reaction pics. Fukken savin' all of em'. I'm glad there are others here who have enjoyed the same anime as I.
User avatar #146 to #145 - zafara (04/07/2014) [-]
Might be an odd thing to say, but you might want to join Tumblr. A lot of us are actually males who enjoy certain fandoms and have deep discussions about them, especially with Yu Yu Hakusho.

Might I suggest Kill La Kill or HunterXHunter? The latter apparently takes place in the future of Yu Yu Hakusho. Of course, Inuyasha is said to take place in the past, with Kikyo being Raizen's original daughter.
User avatar #147 to #146 - alltimetens (04/07/2014) [-]
Damn... I better get watching.
User avatar #148 to #147 - zafara (04/07/2014) [-]
Go for Inuyasha first. I feel like Yu Yu Hakusho took a lot from that show. "Ooohhh we're losing viewers during the Dark Tournament, better show them Kurama's true form!" Fricken love child of Sesshomaru and Inuyasha (Which given Sesshomaru's mother isn't entirely out of the question even though they are a different species). Also, character types for both Toguro brothers, Bui, Karasu, and others were in that show.
#142 - zafara (04/07/2014) [-]
Sometimes I edit a strikethrough over the 'not' to make a joke.
#140 - zafara (04/07/2014) [-]
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#139 - zafara (04/07/2014) [-]
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#138 - zafara (04/07/2014) [-]
This too.
This too.
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#136 - zafara (04/07/2014) [-]
By the way, there is a user named Toguro here, but they aren't named after this Toguro.
By the way, there is a user named Toguro here, but they aren't named after this Toguro.
#150 to #136 - toguro (04/17/2014) [-]
You like telling everyone that don'tcha?
User avatar #151 to #150 - zafara (04/17/2014) [-]
Well, we were talking about Toguro anyway. You usually pop up whenever Toguro is mentioned, so I wanted to let him know that you would probably show up. I also wanted to warn him that you don't really watch the show and named yourself Toguro after something else so that they didn't ask you questions about Yu Yu Hakusho you don't know.

Basically, I wanted to save some time by warning him that while you have the name, you don't know the show.

You know what I'm trying to say?
#152 to #151 - toguro (04/17/2014) [-]
Yeah I understood the 4th time you did it - I dont mind really
User avatar #153 to #152 - zafara (04/17/2014) [-]
I didn't think I was mentioning you that much. Sorry.
#135 - zafara (04/07/2014) [-]
This works as a good, I am mildly confused and/or disturbed by what I see
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