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#186 - 12 years of english in 1st through 12th grade* not just high s… 03/29/2015 on GIF or JIF? 0
#185 - And this is exactly my problem. Going through English 1101 8 y…  [+] (2 new replies) 03/29/2015 on GIF or JIF? 0
User avatar #189 - languagexplain (03/29/2015) [-]
The debate was there bro, it's just that it's very unlikely that this is brought up in the context of an english class, because it's easier to work with clearly defined terms.

Terms have been muddy forever. Grammar books and dictionaries give the impression that there is a clear cut 'right' and 'wrong', but this has never been the case. These works are merely attempts to capture something as fluid as language and set it in stone by making rules. These books would have you believe that you cannot end a sentence with a preposition and yet people do it every day and the people they are talking to don't have any trouble understanding them.
Language is not mathematics. It isn't about what's right or wrong, it's about what works.
#186 - ainise (03/29/2015) [-]
12 years of english in 1st through 12th grade* not just high school lol
#179 - They are relevant, and I pointed out why. They're not subject …  [+] (1 new reply) 03/29/2015 on GIF or JIF? 0
User avatar #181 - languagexplain (03/29/2015) [-]
They're not fundamentally different. They were created via the exact same processes of word formation. The pronunciation, however, turned out different, and therefore we can assign the words with different labels if we wish to make this distinction.
'.gif' isn't pronounced as a word because it's an acronym.
We call '.gif' an acronym because it's pronounced as a word.
#176 - The post I responded to is using the argument "we don't s…  [+] (3 new replies) 03/29/2015 on GIF or JIF? 0
User avatar #177 - languagexplain (03/29/2015) [-]
This all boils down to arguing semantics. We're trying to put a definition to terms that aren't very relevant in the larger debate frame.
#179 - ainise (03/29/2015) [-]
They are relevant, and I pointed out why. They're not subject to the same pronunciation rules. The entire debate is BASED on pronunciation;gif vs jif, and using "USA" as a reason to dictate its pronunciation is nonsensical, since they're fundamentally different types of abbreviations.
User avatar #181 - languagexplain (03/29/2015) [-]
They're not fundamentally different. They were created via the exact same processes of word formation. The pronunciation, however, turned out different, and therefore we can assign the words with different labels if we wish to make this distinction.
'.gif' isn't pronounced as a word because it's an acronym.
We call '.gif' an acronym because it's pronounced as a word.
#174 - But that's an abbreviation, not an acronym. Abbreviation is th…  [+] (4 new replies) 03/29/2015 on GIF or JIF? 0
User avatar #175 - languagexplain (03/29/2015) [-]
Abbreviation would be an umbrella term on a higher level.
Applying the merriam-webster definition:
Abbrev. is an abbreviation but not an acronym.
Radar is an abbreviation and an acronym but not an initialism.
NSA is an abbreviation, an acronym and an initialism.
#185 - ainise (03/29/2015) [-]
And this is exactly my problem. Going through English 1101 8 years ago, English 1102 7 years ago, 12 years of English in high school; we learned very clearly that Abbreviation is an umbrella term for ACronym & initialism, not that Acronym is an umbrella term for the, now unnamed, and Initialisms. There was no debate, there was no discussion, people who used it wrong, were simply wrong...

And that's slowly changing - changing our language in a negative way, muddying words that were clearly defined. Literally is now defined as virtually.( www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/literally ) Irony is now defined as coincidence in more circles(happy I couldn't find that in a dictionary, honestly). And now, Acronym isn't how we defined acronym just 10 years ago.

Bah.
User avatar #189 - languagexplain (03/29/2015) [-]
The debate was there bro, it's just that it's very unlikely that this is brought up in the context of an english class, because it's easier to work with clearly defined terms.

Terms have been muddy forever. Grammar books and dictionaries give the impression that there is a clear cut 'right' and 'wrong', but this has never been the case. These works are merely attempts to capture something as fluid as language and set it in stone by making rules. These books would have you believe that you cannot end a sentence with a preposition and yet people do it every day and the people they are talking to don't have any trouble understanding them.
Language is not mathematics. It isn't about what's right or wrong, it's about what works.
#186 - ainise (03/29/2015) [-]
12 years of english in 1st through 12th grade* not just high school lol
#171 - Up until early 2000s, pretty much no dictionary would agree th…  [+] (11 new replies) 03/29/2015 on GIF or JIF? 0
User avatar #173 - languagexplain (03/29/2015) [-]
And that all of this really doesn't matter to this debate, because even if you find the correct fancy term to label the word with, that term does not dictate how it's pronounced, but derives from how it's pronounced.
#176 - ainise (03/29/2015) [-]
The post I responded to is using the argument "we don't say USA as OOSA" as a reason to not say GIF as GIF. As if they are both the same type of abbreviation(acronyms) and they are both subject to the same rules of grammar. This can be immediately attributed to him(or her) thinking that GIF and USA are both acronyms.
User avatar #177 - languagexplain (03/29/2015) [-]
This all boils down to arguing semantics. We're trying to put a definition to terms that aren't very relevant in the larger debate frame.
#179 - ainise (03/29/2015) [-]
They are relevant, and I pointed out why. They're not subject to the same pronunciation rules. The entire debate is BASED on pronunciation;gif vs jif, and using "USA" as a reason to dictate its pronunciation is nonsensical, since they're fundamentally different types of abbreviations.
User avatar #181 - languagexplain (03/29/2015) [-]
They're not fundamentally different. They were created via the exact same processes of word formation. The pronunciation, however, turned out different, and therefore we can assign the words with different labels if we wish to make this distinction.
'.gif' isn't pronounced as a word because it's an acronym.
We call '.gif' an acronym because it's pronounced as a word.
User avatar #172 - languagexplain (03/29/2015) [-]
I'm just saying that you can't appeal to a clear definition of the terms, because even the linguistic community can't agree on them.

Merriam webster sees acronym as an umbrella term and initialism as a specification, whereas the OED puts them in contrast.
#174 - ainise (03/29/2015) [-]
But that's an abbreviation, not an acronym. Abbreviation is the umbrella term. The primary reason there's even a discussion in the linguistic world is because so many people are using "acronym" to mean abbreviation. Again I say, muddying up already defined terms because the masses choose to use the incorrectly(like literally, acronym, irony, etc.) is just wrong.
User avatar #175 - languagexplain (03/29/2015) [-]
Abbreviation would be an umbrella term on a higher level.
Applying the merriam-webster definition:
Abbrev. is an abbreviation but not an acronym.
Radar is an abbreviation and an acronym but not an initialism.
NSA is an abbreviation, an acronym and an initialism.
#185 - ainise (03/29/2015) [-]
And this is exactly my problem. Going through English 1101 8 years ago, English 1102 7 years ago, 12 years of English in high school; we learned very clearly that Abbreviation is an umbrella term for ACronym & initialism, not that Acronym is an umbrella term for the, now unnamed, and Initialisms. There was no debate, there was no discussion, people who used it wrong, were simply wrong...

And that's slowly changing - changing our language in a negative way, muddying words that were clearly defined. Literally is now defined as virtually.( www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/literally ) Irony is now defined as coincidence in more circles(happy I couldn't find that in a dictionary, honestly). And now, Acronym isn't how we defined acronym just 10 years ago.

Bah.
User avatar #189 - languagexplain (03/29/2015) [-]
The debate was there bro, it's just that it's very unlikely that this is brought up in the context of an english class, because it's easier to work with clearly defined terms.

Terms have been muddy forever. Grammar books and dictionaries give the impression that there is a clear cut 'right' and 'wrong', but this has never been the case. These works are merely attempts to capture something as fluid as language and set it in stone by making rules. These books would have you believe that you cannot end a sentence with a preposition and yet people do it every day and the people they are talking to don't have any trouble understanding them.
Language is not mathematics. It isn't about what's right or wrong, it's about what works.
#186 - ainise (03/29/2015) [-]
12 years of english in 1st through 12th grade* not just high school lol

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