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#139 - chalibard (09/21/2016) [-]
3rd world countries are the one mainly concerned by desertification and deforastations. If you live in the shittiest place on earth who could blame you when you turn to the Dark Gods ?
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#123 - rafflewaffle (09/21/2016) [-]
well the reason why this is an argument because climate change is heating the earth at a rapid pace.
Causing farmers in the middle east to move to the city because they cant grow their crops and cant support their families.
More people moving to the cities means less and less jobs.
Then some people comes around saying to these desperate people that they'll give them jobs if they go and kill people who are in a better spot than they are.
Im not saying climate change is the only reason, but there could be a link.
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#78 - kevinipples (09/21/2016) [-]
global warming exists + terrorism exists = global warming causes terrorism
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#109 - thegamepixel (09/21/2016) [-]
How can terrorism be real if our eyes aren't real?
Checkmate environmentalists.
#82 - anon (09/21/2016) [-]
Think it out for just five seconds.

If there's more droughts, there's more scarcity of water, and that also causes scarcity in agriculture. Scarcity in basic necessities means fighting each other over resources and demands that the government do something for the public. What happens when that hits a place like Syria for long enough? A civil war.
#118 - anon (09/21/2016) [-]
and all the terrorists are Muslim.


these droughts apparently only hit Muslims really hard, because of the homegrown terrorists and all the Muslims in wealthy countries that decide to be violent.


nice try. not really
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#143 - chalibard (09/21/2016) [-]
You mean that the Dallas shooting and US schools shooting are all muslims ?

Today being against the USA is enough to be labeled terrorist, the other are "rebels" and they get free weapons.
#149 - anon (09/22/2016) [-]
that's like saying "this Jew killed 2 people, so it's ok if Hitler kills 6 million"


Muslims are generally more violent. Telling me that some guy, somewhere, did something bad doesn't all of a sudden validate everything ISIS is doing.


and unless you can prove that the WHOLE WORLD is getting more violent, and not just Muslims, this argument of global warming causing Muslim extremism is just total shit. Because there are other parts of the world that are affected, but again, somehow it's magically only okay if Muslims kill people? Have liberals gone full retard again?
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#157 - chalibard (09/23/2016) [-]
"unless you can prove that the WHOLE WORLD is getting more violent, and not just Muslims"

Well you didn't even proved that muslim were more violent. Nor do I justify ISIS, where the fuck does that comes from ? I'm talking about how the US label people terrorist: when an ISIS soldier is against Bachar al assad he is a "freedom fighter" but when the same dick goes on Israël he is a monster.

And no muslims don't get the monopole on terrorism. South america is plagued by cartels and militia, if their motivations are not religious their violence is as inhumman.
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#159 - chalibard (09/24/2016) [-]
Things like "Even by the FBI’s curious standard, the sort of truly violent terrorism that most concerns Americans is extremely rare in the United States. Only 29 attacks on their list of incidents between 1980 and 2005 resulted in actual death. Of these, Islamic extremists were responsible for 24%, accounting for 2,981 kills (civilians only), while non-Muslim attackers racked up 196. Thus, what the FBI report is really saying is that a demographic which makes up only 1% of the American population accounts for one-fourth of all deadly terror attacks in the U.S. and 94% of related casualties! " and you check this from google: "Total number of people who died in the 9/11 attacks = 2,996"

One attack planned and funded by non american muslims proved that 1% of the us population that muslims are deadly faggots (more than black and latinos gangs )?


Muslims are not the most violent:
www.worldatlas.com/articles/most-dangerous-cities-in-the-world.html (not a lot of muslim places)

And if we define terrorism as "the unofficial or unauthorized use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims." (google) then I suspect Hillary Clinton and the black rioters of terrorism, it's not a muslim only thing.



#160 - anon (09/24/2016) [-]
"it's not a muslim only thing."

I literally made sure to deliberately say "Muslims are generally more violent."

I never even implied they were the only ones. It's pretty obvious Islam is just like a tumor. It's main cause is to grow and destroy all that is not Islam.

But whatever dude, keep throwing punches in the wind.
#161 - chalibard (09/24/2016) [-]
I agree political Islam sucks, as much as any political religion that had the upper hand in history.
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#87 - kevinipples (09/21/2016) [-]
Oh yeah I understand that there is a legitimate way to explain it, as you could make a good case for a lot of real effects of global warming. just that his wording and lack of explanation makes him sound retarded. I was just making it sound even more retarded.
#85 - anon (09/21/2016) [-]
>>#59 >>#71 >>#43 >>#35
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#91 - zers (09/21/2016) [-]
>>#68
#59 - zers (09/21/2016) [-]
No fucking way. How can he say that with a straight face? An increase in global temperatures makes people start to kill each other and blowing themselves up. I never had much respect for Bernie but this just blows the fuck out of anything I thought about him.
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#64 - Endofzeeworld (09/21/2016) [-]
Well, it certainly is an aspect. Massive drought in syria was one of the driving factors behind the civil war. Syrian civil war helped isis to flourish and grow.
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#111 - thegamepixel (09/21/2016) [-]
Drought has little to do with climate change. It's usually due to over-farming, siphoning water, or in California's case, a mismanagement of water resources.
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#125 - Endofzeeworld (09/21/2016) [-]
A drought is not a lack of water, it is a prolonged time of low rainfall.
"A drought is an extended period of dry weather caused by a lack of rain or snow. As temperatures rise due to global climate change, more moisture evaporates from land and water, leaving less water behind"
www3.epa.gov/climatechange/kids/impacts/signs/droughts.html
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#133 - thegamepixel (09/21/2016) [-]
A drought is simply a shortage of rainfall. That does not mean that there was less rain that year, but more often means that there was more use of water that year which led to there being a relative shortage of rainfall. Temperatures rise so very slowly due to natural global warming wherein the temperature rises a fraction of a degree per century that there would be no visible impact on the world as a whole.

One example would, again, be California, where a third of the state's water is pumped out to sea. The state government also regulates the sale of water and price it at what they believe is the "market price." This price being too low leads to people over-buying water leading to a drought due to mismanagement of resources rather than simply dry weather.
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#146 - Endofzeeworld (09/21/2016) [-]
Drought: "a prolonged period of abnormally low rainfall; a shortage of water resulting from this."

It means there's less rain. Regardless of usage, it means that there is less rain. Less rain = less ability to grow crops = food shortages = riots = national collapse.

"Global climate change affects a variety of factors associated with drought. There is high confidence that increased temperatures will lead to more precipitation falling as rain rather than snow, earlier snow melt, and increased evaporation and transpiration. Thus the risk of hydrological and agricultural drought increases as temperatures rise."

www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/science_and_impacts/impacts/causes-of-drought-climate-change-connection.html#.V-MbsfArKUk
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#147 - thegamepixel (09/22/2016) [-]
A drought can also mean: "An extended shortage" or "a prolonged absence of something specified." It has nothing to do with rain necessarily.

Syria had more rainfall than normal, yet it was called a drought.
www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/25/syrian-drought-created-isis-urban-myth/
"Average rainfall over 2006-2011 was below the pre-2006 average at four stations (Deir Ezzor -31%, Palmyra -22%, Lattakia -17% and Aleppo -9% as already discussed ) but above it at three (Kamishli +3%, Damascus +5% and Hama +15%). The average for all seven stations was 7% below the pre-2006 average, decreasing to 4% when only the five “cropland” stations (Lattakia, Aleppo, Kamishi, Hama and Damascus) are considered."

Prove that there's been increased temperature in recent years.
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#67 - zers (09/21/2016) [-]
So it wasn't because of climate change but because of the civil war? I don't even see how a civil war is the best course of action from a massive drought. I am more than likely incredibly ignorant about the situation but that just seems asinine. They are already in a really shitty situation, why would you make it worse by starting a war? If they didn't have the civil war then Isis wouldn't be where it's at today.
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#70 - alexandervascus (09/21/2016) [-]
The French Revolution was for the same reason, King Louis the XVI ran the fuck to Versailles when the Tennis Court Oath got out of hand. With no government in sight, women went on the march to Versailles to bring his bitch ass back because their children were starving and the bread lines weren't giving anything. It's because of this action, and not the National Assembly that the French Revolution started, and so the jacobins and the girondists came to be and the French Civil War started, and with it the monarchy died. People do crazy things when hungry, thirsty and scared.
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#68 - Endofzeeworld (09/21/2016) [-]
When you're hungry, when you're family is hungry, you will take any recourse to rectify it. When an ideologue tells you, convincingly, that topalling your oppressive dictator will bring the food back, you believe him. Remember, this dictator is suppressing protests at the same time.
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#30 - intensedislike (09/21/2016) [-]
It is, in a way, as they can't grow enough crops because of it, so they go to extremist groups for money to feed their family.
Directly related, but he didn't say it was the main reason.
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#110 - thegamepixel (09/21/2016) [-]
>>#108,
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#152 - intensedislike (09/22/2016) [-]
Do you realise how much that affects whether patterns and crop production?
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#153 - thegamepixel (09/22/2016) [-]
It's a fraction of a degree over a century, it's not noticeable.
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#155 - intensedislike (09/23/2016) [-]
It's nearly two degrees over a century, which is faster than it's ever changed naturally outside of catastrophic events.
It's very noticeable, as it means thousands of square kilometres are no longer permafrost. More water is evaporated in the regions warmer than that. Additionally, it takes just a couple degrees difference for high and low pressure zones to form, just under two degrees, and soon to be well over it, is more than enough to tip these scales, over and over again, creating ever more unpredictable whether patterns.
Even in the last fifteen, twenty years, just anecdotally, the climate of the British Isles has changed dramatically. More floods. Worse frosts. Longer bouts of rainless days. Breaking records up and down. This change couldn't happen by "natural" fluctuations, it's been shown again and again to be directly related to the ~2 degree difference, which even if you ignore everything linking it to human activity, can't happen naturally without a huge event. Islands are disappearing, and people still question if it affects crops. Of course it does. All of these factors do.
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#156 - thegamepixel (09/23/2016) [-]
First of all, 2 degrees is a dramatic claim, I'm gonna need a source for that.
Second of all, Syria has had increased rainfall in recent years.
www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/25/syrian-drought-created-isis-urban-myth/
"Average rainfall over 2006-2011 was below the pre-2006 average at four stations (Deir Ezzor -31%, Palmyra -22%, Lattakia -17% and Aleppo -9% as already discussed ) but above it at three (Kamishli +3%, Damascus +5% and Hama +15%). The average for all seven stations was 7% below the pre-2006 average, decreasing to 4% when only the five “cropland” stations (Lattakia, Aleppo, Kamishi, Hama and Damascus) are considered."
Thirdly, there is nothing linking it to human activity.
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#71 - cognosceteipsum (09/21/2016) [-]
Eating food is also directly related to terrorism. In order not to starve and die, these people need to eat food to survive.

BAN FOOD!
#43 - tbagbandit (09/21/2016) [-]
Because the Middle East has not always been a fucking wasteland desert, it was a jungle with dragons and unicorns.

You are very corrent



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#51 - intensedislike (09/21/2016) [-]
Well, yeah, it hasn't always been a desert, and there are parts that are incredibly fertile. See the fist bastion of civilisation, not exactly helped by Islam, I will admit, the Fertile Crescent. In the Middle East. With climate change, it's shrinking, so the place where the most people live because of arable land, is shrinking, so they seek some other source of income, so join terrorist groups, so contribute to the growth of them, and so terrorism. That seems pretty direct.
#124 - tbagbandit (09/21/2016) [-]
Over population did that, but by all means keep going.
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#151 - intensedislike (09/22/2016) [-]
It certainly contributes directly.
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#35 - bigshaft (09/21/2016) [-]
LOL
#36 - intensedislike (09/21/2016) [-]
I don't like Islam either, not least for their hypocrisy, but he's not wrong.
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#38 - bigshaft (09/21/2016) [-]
There are muslims that were born to rich families with all the opportunity in the world that still turn radical. Your argument is invalid.
#84 - abandonedbandit (09/21/2016) [-]
Ok, first off the climate change= terrorism is the wrong thing to say. Climate change is increasing desperation which is making it easier for recruiters to get people for terrorist organizations,but your complete ignorance pisses me off. you just used the "well some are not, so all cant be" point of view, and I don't get your full repulsion at the idea that there is a LINK, not 100% if we fix climate change the problem goes away, but a contributing factor.

And im going to come at you WITH FACTS, so pack your bags.

www.sos-usa.org/newsroom/syria-aleppo%E2%80%99s-water-shortage-affecting-vulnerable

Here is a source saying that it cost 130 USD for 20 cubib meters of water in syria

www.unicef.org/media/media_82980.html

The same thing again from Unicef

countrystudies.us/syria/43.htm

This is the library of congress OFFICIAL, study on Syria. Im going to be quoting this so read the 2nd paragraph

"1970s, when 50 percent of the labor force was employed in agriculture, by 1983 agriculture employed only 30 percent of the labor force"

Yea yea yea, "but it was XXXX years ago" But nothing as really done to fix it, in the 90's a revitalization project was planned but it never got traction.

"Although the government instituted limited reforms to respond to the burgeoning crisis, Syria's pressing economic problems required a radically restructured economic policy to improve future economic performance."

A policy that never came. Now i hope you are reading really fucking close because I'm about to explain the hardest thing you will ever learn

1970 50% of your population is farmers
1983 30% of your population are farmers and your country is in a economic shithole
1990 Plans to revive the economy are made
2000 Most peoples lives have been built around the now failed agriculture economy so, most young people end up moving to the city. Want proof? Look at the 30's and the great depression, the same things happened when the farms in the Mid-west dried up, and influx of young people leaving said farms over blew the job market in the city's, leading to rabid unemployment

Now don't forget. in the background this whole fucking time has been a little know thing happening in the middle east called THE GULF FUCKING WAR. and you know how well that went for the "Hearts and MInds" of the middle east, and on top of that the US is sending weapons to Iraq And the Russians are sending weapons to whoever they can arm (and come on all those AK's had to come form somewhere)

so we have an armed conflict to the west an failing economy in Syria and a tyrannical dictator Mr. Assad

2011. The Syrian civil war starts. Rebel groups form to take down the Assad regime. BUT HOLD THE FUCKING PHONE. Now the government is tied up fighting Rebels, Huge swaths of land are now government free as they pull back to defend Aleppo. Old rivialys appear, the likes of the Kurd's in the north, ISIS, a small terror cell has no problem recruiting the disgruntled youth to their cause. now ISIS has manpower and the rest is recent history

Its not things got hotter suddenly terrorism you fucking pleb

Now, I don't give a fuck if you like what I have to say, but instead of just pulling up terror lists and saying "look my proof" fucking do some legwork you tard.

Inb4 u mad bro I am, but just when people are uneducated shitlords, I don't give two fucks if you hate things or disagree on educated grounds

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#112 - thegamepixel (09/21/2016) [-]
>>#111, You still haven't proven anything related to climate change. You've stated the problem is drought.
#134 - abandonedbandit (09/21/2016) [-]
Also I don't mean any of this as a insult, I just had to made the assumptions for the argument to start. I mean no insult to your intelligence or your stance, you are free to believe what you want and I don't hate you bb Im just a salty spatoon today
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#140 - thegamepixel (09/21/2016) [-]
It's cool, I don't take anything you said as an insult.
#128 - abandonedbandit (09/21/2016) [-]
Well for the sake of argument I'm going to assume you are a climate change denier to start. I'm also going to assume that there is no reasonable level of evidence I could bring tot eh table that would change your mind, I'm not a fucking scientist and if they can how do I have a hope in hell, all i am is a read individual so ill do my best

First I'm assuming I will have to bring evidence that climate change is happening

Here is the ground work
climate.nasa.gov/climate_resources/24/

Since the 1950s the PPM of co2 in the air has rose by 100PPM which is 1/3rd of what is was in the 40's

This is the part where we get into applied science

The atmosphere is that thing that keeps us alive, it traps oxygen so we can breathe and it filters Ultra-Violet light so we don't burn to a crisp in the cosmic nuclear reactor that is our sun, The energy coming off the sun hits us and does one of 3 things, Bounces of the atmosphere back into space, breaks through and gets absorbed (Heat,Photosynthesis, solar generators, ETC) Or it bounces back off the surface and escapes. Now that final one is the problem, 30% of the energy is bounced back into space (Source here earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/EnergyBalance/page4.php )

Now we get into why that extra 100PPM of c02 in the air is a problem

Now co2 has no effect on the inbound solar radiation from the sun that energy is called solar radiation and its traveling to fast to be stopped, thing of co2 as a bullet proof vest, Now the energy coming back off earth is Thermal radiation, much like a campfire. this energy travels, Much slower then the solar so the co2 in the air is able to stop it and bounce it back, this means that there is now more energy in the atmosphere, and Literal basic science tells us that energy=heat and vice versa, heat is just the flow of energy from one state to another its why you light bulbs get hot as they run they radiated a bit of their energy.

So now we have extra heat being trapped in the atmosphere by this new "co2 blanket" we now have the "Greenhouse gas effect" a term you have probably heard

This is where we get into how it affected Syria

Now we get into how it affects the weather cycle. Syria is a Mediterranean area "technical" speaking )Source here www.weatheronline.co.uk/reports/climate/Syria.htm ) Meaning its has long hot, dry summers and wet, mild winters

For this we need to understand the water cycle

here are a bunch of visualizations pick which one you think is pretty en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_cycle

now the one we are interested in is evaporation, if you have ever boiled water before you know that hot water becomes steam and that becomes water on the lid of your pot.

Here is a topographical map of Syria you will note that it is pretty damn flat with only a few mountains. unfortunately mountains are a HUGE part of the water cycle as the water runoff from them is what really spreads the water, though creaks and rivers and the like you will also notice that the river Euphrates is the only major river and its in the low spot of Syria. so what happens is that water rolls of the mountains and into the Euphrates, so we have a lot of water in the air but we also have a strong wind and the Mediterranean sea,

Now back to heat in the air. Polar ice melts dropping the sea temperature, this creates wind as hot air rushes to fill the new gaps caused by the colder air around the oceans, meaning air is going TOO the oceans not from, Meaning all that nice water in the air is getting sucked out to sea and is now useless to Syria

Combine all this shit with he fact that a drought was already coming you get a even bigger problem

And like I said previously to anyone who does not get it CLIMATE CHANGE DID NOT CAUSE TERRORISM. all it was was another issue on a huge fucking stack of issues that made it easier or it to form

I'm out of characters, Peace


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#138 - thegamepixel (09/21/2016) [-]
I deny man-made climate change. The world climate naturally fluctuates (it's why we had the ice age), but there is little evidence to propose it is man-made.

To make myself clear, I was not saying that you couldn't prove your point above, just that you didn't.

Firstly, you are arguing for a CO2 increase, which I don't deny exists, but that increase does not mean that the world is warming as a result. NASA's own data shows this (why they still argue climate change is real I would chalk up to government funding).
Climate Change in 12 Minutes  The Skeptics Case (source for this is a skeptic piece by a climatologist in the description whose data comes directly from NASA, I just send this because it is a much nicer format)







I get the scientific theory behind why our carbon emissions should be causing global warming, but the simple truth is that the world isn't warming, at least not at some drastically high rate. Models show that it will but the real-world data is simply not there.

As for the water cycle, I went to an American private school, so again, I know how it works. Polar Ice caps are not melting, the south pole actually recently experienced a very large increase in size.
www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/antarctic-sea-ice-reaches-new-record-maximum/

The problem with rainfall is, as you pointed out, the flatness, but that would only mean that there is a drought that would already have been there. The geography of Syria did not change overnight.

Here is an article which shows a lack of a lack of rainfall (meaning there was rainfall) in Syria: www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/25/syrian-drought-created-isis-urban-myth/
"Average rainfall over 2006-2011 was below the pre-2006 average at four stations (Deir Ezzor -31%, Palmyra -22%, Lattakia -17% and Aleppo -9% as already discussed ) but above it at three (Kamishli +3%, Damascus +5% and Hama +15%). The average for all seven stations was 7% below the pre-2006 average, decreasing to 4% when only the five “cropland” stations (Lattakia, Aleppo, Kamishi, Hama and Damascus) are considered."
I don't know much about Syria, but if there was truly a drought, it was due to mismanagement of water resources, not a lack of rainfall.
#144 - abandonedbandit (09/21/2016) [-]
The video is very well done, and it does back itself up. I don't believe that we can definitively go one way or the other, because we simply don't have enough data to properly, we can only theorize what will happen, and what has happened. I do really enjoy the video that you sent and It does give me a lot to think about, but for me its hard to tell which side will be right in the end,I lean toward the "greenhouse gas" model but I can easily see why people would go to the natural- climate change. My original argument as just to say that the changing climate, man or otherwise, has had an effect on Syria. I have no doubt that the drought was coming regardless of the climate, water mismanagement was happening long before it became an issue, I was just showing that the drought aided in the transition of the younger populace moving into a more disgruntled mindset making them easier to recruit.

But thank you for the informative reply I honestly was expecting just to be called a shitlord
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#162 - thegamepixel (09/25/2016) [-]
Yeah, I rarely get informative replies myself. Ever since I heard about global warming, even when taught in school as a kid, I was always open to the idea, but I never got any proof on why it's man-made. Finally, later in life I found some proof that it's not man-made, so until I see data otherwise that isn't just models then I'm gonna continue to believe that. At any rate, thanks, good debates on this site are rare to come by.
#39 - intensedislike (09/21/2016) [-]
No.. You don't understand. Those people are irrelevant in this argument. If these poor farmers, getting poorer due to climate change, loose their income, they will turn to the next best option, which in many cases is extremist groups. Therefore, climate change is directly related to the growth in terrorist groups. I stated specifically that it was not the main causes, and Sanders never said it was, because it's not, but it is a direct cause of the growth in terrorism, because not all of those suicidal idiots are rich kids who throw their lives away for no reason. It's mostly people who didn't really have a choice, and many of those were stuck in that situation due to poorer crops, due to climate change.
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#41 - bigshaft (09/21/2016) [-]
Dude, Never go full retard... here is the terror attack list of 2015 97% of all terror around the world is done by muslims and you're saying it's directly related to climate change ? LOL en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2015
#65 - anon (09/21/2016) [-]
it is still directly related just not important, stupid thing to say but technically true
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#49 - intensedislike (09/21/2016) [-]
The growth of terrorism is a vague term, and the growth of terrorist groups are part of it. Climate change makes some crops fail, so some farmers go to terrorist organisations. It is directly related, but again, not a primary cause. It happens to affect Muslim countries, and Islam is a religion very, to put it mildly, acceptable to these kinds of groups.
I'm not defending Islam, I'm defending a logical statement about climate change.
#23 - OldSnake (09/21/2016) [-]
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#3 - superiorcheerio (09/21/2016) [-]
World getting hotter by a fraction of a degree = people killing other people for no good reason. Why that certainly is some stunning logic.
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#9 - pirateseatcarrots (09/21/2016) [-]
A reason even though I don't agree with it is that with rising temperature rural and countryside farms suffer droughts leading to migration into cities looking for jobs and since no one gets a job because you don't turn from farmer to engineer in a fortnight. You end up broke and terrorist organizations and Islamist groups offer an alternative.
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#108 - thegamepixel (09/21/2016) [-]
Do you realize how tiny of a fraction of a degree the world has gotten warmer in the past century?
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#11 - herrdoktah (09/21/2016) [-]
The climate will have to get a lot, lot worse first and it would result in mass migration and marauding (the stealing of resources) rather than terrorism which is almost always the destruction of resources.
#2 - newdevyx (09/21/2016) [-]
MFW