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Literally none of that is possible.
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#23 - phenex (08/21/2015) [-]
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#14 - rajotazo (08/21/2015) [-]
Ahuh, but it's still impressive that she could even put up a fight against that much strength. He used certain ingame techniques to go past the level limit in the game before the series, so his strength is massive, he can bench press cities, and she still managed what would be a lethal hit on him if he was human.

I don't remember what the level limit was, but he was well past it by at least 50 levels or something.

Also, manga hasn't gotten up to their fight. I read the light novel.

But yeah, answering your question, he would completely demolish her, wouldn't even have to lift a finger, would just summon a skeleton champion or something and have it kick the shit out of her. If he used his magic.
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#33 - emiyashirou (08/21/2015) [-]
Unless they retcon it later, he says in volume 1 that he's at level 100, which is the maximum level.
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#76 - iamnuff (08/21/2015) [-]
yeah, I don't know where Raj is getting this "got past the cap" thing.

He's a level 100 caster build. His absurd Str stat is due solely to him being level 100, with little to no bonuses based on his class. Hell, he can't even equip normal swords. He had to conjure weapons to bypass his lack of weapon-proficiencies.

In a later battle he uses something not unlike tenser’s fighting transformation. (Use magic to turn yourself into a warrior. Get good at swords, lose access to magic until it wears off) but he explicitly states that he doesn't normally do it, because locking away all his magic to become a sub-par warrior is a stupid idea.

In his fight with this warrior, she actually says straight up that he's a shit swordsman. He's just flailing around with two greatswords. Unfortunately for her, raw stats trump skill in this setting. Atleast when the difference between her skill advantage and his stat advantage is to the tune of about eighty levels.

If we assume you learn 4th level magic (the strongest that any of the natives can cast) at about level 40, and the strongest swordsman in the setting is the equal of the strongest (native) caster in the setting, then the greatest swordsman in the land would be about level forty, and other, lesser-yet-still-exceptional swordsmen like her would be about 20-30)

By contrast, the main character is level 100. His build is pretty shit, considering it's based RP and lore, rather than wrecking shit, but he's still got an eighty level advantage and a shit-ton of P2W items.

Most of the Npc's in Nazarick are about level 80. (the maids, the butler, the floor bosses)


Ainz in his Swordsman guise makes me think of a Caster from TES Oblivion, summoning a set of Daderic armour and two swords, despite the fact that he has no actual skill points in using swords or wearing heavy armour.

Fortunately, his enemies aren't scaling to his level, so he's destroying them with his endgame weapons and armour.

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#105 - emiyashirou (08/22/2015) [-]
The floor bosses and Sebas are all level 100. The maids I'm not sure about.
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#85 - rajotazo (08/22/2015) [-]
Was basing information off what I had remembered after reading the lite novel, replaced the fact that he used an exploit to get past the maximum amount of spells allowed to learned with past max level cap by accident. Slip of the mind.

Also, his build is not shit, states explicitly in the light novel, and on the wiki that he built his character for pvp and player killing, and was considered one of the game's best players up until it shut down with only TouchMe rivaling him.
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#99 - iamnuff (08/22/2015) [-]
Actually no. He mentions several times (during and after his "duel" with shalltear) that he wasn't actually great at PVP, and TouchMe was such an incredible badass that he had his own unique class (World Champion?)

Ainz, (or rather Momonga) Built his entire character around the idea of being a Dread Lich Overlord. He's fully specced for necromancy and minion summoning. Not for Raw Blast damage or PVP killage.

I keep seeing this. People claiming that Momonga or the guild Ainz Ooal Gown was specced for Top Tier PVP or that they were the best players.

It was a small group of friends who built a guild around the theme of "monsters-players" Touch-Me was unique and incredible, but none of the other members were anything really special, as far as end-game characters go.

It's mentioned early on that the entire reason the throne room was built was so that if any guild got through the first eight layers of the dungeon (which is an actual dungeon, only the top two layers were added on when the guild moved in) then they'd stand around in the throne room and pose as Final Bosses for laughs, then die to the "Heroic Guild" that came to slay them. Because there's no way they could actually beat a group that managed to Clear the Great Tomb of Nazarick. So they might as well dick around posing and making speeches, then go out with a bang.

As for the wiki, it has a quote (from Ainz himself,) about how great he is, but he's hardly a reliable source at the time, consideirng he's boasting right before the Shaltear fight.

Then there's the claim that him and Touch-Me set the guild up as a PVP/PK guild, when the actual Novel says it was an RP/Casual/friendship guild.

They set it up in self defence because players keep killing monster-race-players, the whole "so we decided to become real monsters" is a terrible cliche, and if it was actually in the novel i'd lose a lot of respect for it. Luckily it's not.
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#106 - emiyashirou (08/22/2015) [-]
You're kind of really missing the mark there. They weren't weak, like you're claiming. They were ranked in the top 10 best guilds of Ygdrassil, and IIRC at their peak they were ranked #1. The novel states this multiple times in volume 1.
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#107 - iamnuff (08/22/2015) [-]
I suggest you re-read volume one then. Even at their "peak", AOG was a guild with 41 people in it. That's nowhere near enough to be the strongest guild in any MMO.

[quote]Momonga opened the console and accessed the official data, where he searched for the guild’s ranking. At one point they had stood at Rank 9 out of a little over 800 guilds, but now they had dropped to 29th. Still, this wasn’t so bad in comparison to Rank 48 when they were at their lowest.
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So they were in the top ten at their peak, but never stood at #1, according to the quote in chapter 1. Even that makes no fucking sense. what game has only 800 guilds?

*quote* 37 out of 41 people have quit, and though the remaining three remained as guild members in name, Momonga could not recall the last time that they’d shown up with the exception of today. *quote*

How can a guild with only three people (two of whom don't even bother to log in) still be ranked 29th? Did literally everybody except Momonga stop playing the game at exactly the same time? Is that why they were shutting it down?

It does say that the ranking wasn't due to Momo, but to the relics left by the guild-members who left. But with no info on how "Rank" is calculated, i don't know how that work work.

Is it based on net-worth? Counting their treasury and P2W items?

Is it based on PVP (like I thought it would be)

Are people constantly trying to attack the Great Tomb, and everytime they fall to the NPCs it's counted as a win for the Tomb?

Also, to clear it up, I never said they were weak. Just that all these people claiming he was one of the strongest players are wrong. The guild as a whole was fairly average.

It was Ainz himself claims that his build isn't made for PVP (massive weakness to holy, 90% of his spells don't work against fellow undead, huge weak-points that a player could exploit)

Then there are outliers like Touch-Me who was top-ranked, but the guild as a whole wasn't so amazing.

It IS mentioned that Momonga is "top ranked among elder liches" but if the game only has 800 guilds, and it's mentioned that not many people play monster races, and considering the sheer amount of monsters available plus all the classes that don't lead to the "Elder Lich" class... Momo probably don't have a lot of people to compete against.
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#108 - emiyashirou (08/22/2015) [-]
Ygdrassil had been slowly dying for years, which is why they shut down. Momo was indeed not specced for pvp, he was pve based, but the items he had are really high rank (he also p2w'd so he could equip 8 more rings than f2p players), and it was insanely difficult to actually reach max level, since players lost several levels if they died.

Also, that last point of yours wasn't comparing him to other players. It was stating that his class of Overlord was the highest rank in the lich class chain.
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#109 - iamnuff (08/22/2015) [-]
Well, I remember the ring thing. I know he P2W'ed like a bitch, (and Ygdrassil sounded like a fucking terrible game, considering that with specific P2W items you could literally demand the Devs rewrite the game for you) but that doesn't change his build or make it better, it just means he threw money at it to make up the difference.

Still no indication that he was on the same level as TouchMe.

Secondly, the quote in question is "The former was an Overlord that ranked top even among the Elder Liches — Magic Casters who had turned into the undead in the pursuit of ultimate magic."

i guess that could mean either. It looks to me like "this overlord ranks top among the elder liches" is comparing a specific person to a group of people, rather than one class to another.

(The elder liches) if Elder lich is a class, why was it pluralized? And what's with the "The"?

that said, that could be a translation issue.
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#110 - emiyashirou (08/22/2015) [-]
It's a translation error. The word 'the' doesn't exist in Japanese. I read it raw, and I clearly remember it stating that Elder Lich was the class that ranks up to Overlord
#18 - egebest (08/21/2015) [-]
where do you read the novel?
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#12 - rajotazo (08/21/2015) [-]
Except dragons, cause those are considered the strongest in Yggdrasil, and are probably a raid boss.

She puts up a good fight, though, manages to stab him through the eyes when he's trying to fake being a warrior.

Then he takes off his helmet, revealing his empty eye sockets.
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#13 - Turtleboner (08/21/2015) [-]
I didn't read the mango but i'm assuming he went warrior against her right?
Wouldn't he just completely wreck her shit with magic instantly without a fight?
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#23 - phenex (08/21/2015) [-]
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#14 - rajotazo (08/21/2015) [-]
Ahuh, but it's still impressive that she could even put up a fight against that much strength. He used certain ingame techniques to go past the level limit in the game before the series, so his strength is massive, he can bench press cities, and she still managed what would be a lethal hit on him if he was human.

I don't remember what the level limit was, but he was well past it by at least 50 levels or something.

Also, manga hasn't gotten up to their fight. I read the light novel.

But yeah, answering your question, he would completely demolish her, wouldn't even have to lift a finger, would just summon a skeleton champion or something and have it kick the shit out of her. If he used his magic.
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#33 - emiyashirou (08/21/2015) [-]
Unless they retcon it later, he says in volume 1 that he's at level 100, which is the maximum level.
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#76 - iamnuff (08/21/2015) [-]
yeah, I don't know where Raj is getting this "got past the cap" thing.

He's a level 100 caster build. His absurd Str stat is due solely to him being level 100, with little to no bonuses based on his class. Hell, he can't even equip normal swords. He had to conjure weapons to bypass his lack of weapon-proficiencies.

In a later battle he uses something not unlike tenser’s fighting transformation. (Use magic to turn yourself into a warrior. Get good at swords, lose access to magic until it wears off) but he explicitly states that he doesn't normally do it, because locking away all his magic to become a sub-par warrior is a stupid idea.

In his fight with this warrior, she actually says straight up that he's a shit swordsman. He's just flailing around with two greatswords. Unfortunately for her, raw stats trump skill in this setting. Atleast when the difference between her skill advantage and his stat advantage is to the tune of about eighty levels.

If we assume you learn 4th level magic (the strongest that any of the natives can cast) at about level 40, and the strongest swordsman in the setting is the equal of the strongest (native) caster in the setting, then the greatest swordsman in the land would be about level forty, and other, lesser-yet-still-exceptional swordsmen like her would be about 20-30)

By contrast, the main character is level 100. His build is pretty shit, considering it's based RP and lore, rather than wrecking shit, but he's still got an eighty level advantage and a shit-ton of P2W items.

Most of the Npc's in Nazarick are about level 80. (the maids, the butler, the floor bosses)


Ainz in his Swordsman guise makes me think of a Caster from TES Oblivion, summoning a set of Daderic armour and two swords, despite the fact that he has no actual skill points in using swords or wearing heavy armour.

Fortunately, his enemies aren't scaling to his level, so he's destroying them with his endgame weapons and armour.

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#105 - emiyashirou (08/22/2015) [-]
The floor bosses and Sebas are all level 100. The maids I'm not sure about.
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#85 - rajotazo (08/22/2015) [-]
Was basing information off what I had remembered after reading the lite novel, replaced the fact that he used an exploit to get past the maximum amount of spells allowed to learned with past max level cap by accident. Slip of the mind.

Also, his build is not shit, states explicitly in the light novel, and on the wiki that he built his character for pvp and player killing, and was considered one of the game's best players up until it shut down with only TouchMe rivaling him.
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#99 - iamnuff (08/22/2015) [-]
Actually no. He mentions several times (during and after his "duel" with shalltear) that he wasn't actually great at PVP, and TouchMe was such an incredible badass that he had his own unique class (World Champion?)

Ainz, (or rather Momonga) Built his entire character around the idea of being a Dread Lich Overlord. He's fully specced for necromancy and minion summoning. Not for Raw Blast damage or PVP killage.

I keep seeing this. People claiming that Momonga or the guild Ainz Ooal Gown was specced for Top Tier PVP or that they were the best players.

It was a small group of friends who built a guild around the theme of "monsters-players" Touch-Me was unique and incredible, but none of the other members were anything really special, as far as end-game characters go.

It's mentioned early on that the entire reason the throne room was built was so that if any guild got through the first eight layers of the dungeon (which is an actual dungeon, only the top two layers were added on when the guild moved in) then they'd stand around in the throne room and pose as Final Bosses for laughs, then die to the "Heroic Guild" that came to slay them. Because there's no way they could actually beat a group that managed to Clear the Great Tomb of Nazarick. So they might as well dick around posing and making speeches, then go out with a bang.

As for the wiki, it has a quote (from Ainz himself,) about how great he is, but he's hardly a reliable source at the time, consideirng he's boasting right before the Shaltear fight.

Then there's the claim that him and Touch-Me set the guild up as a PVP/PK guild, when the actual Novel says it was an RP/Casual/friendship guild.

They set it up in self defence because players keep killing monster-race-players, the whole "so we decided to become real monsters" is a terrible cliche, and if it was actually in the novel i'd lose a lot of respect for it. Luckily it's not.
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#106 - emiyashirou (08/22/2015) [-]
You're kind of really missing the mark there. They weren't weak, like you're claiming. They were ranked in the top 10 best guilds of Ygdrassil, and IIRC at their peak they were ranked #1. The novel states this multiple times in volume 1.
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#107 - iamnuff (08/22/2015) [-]
I suggest you re-read volume one then. Even at their "peak", AOG was a guild with 41 people in it. That's nowhere near enough to be the strongest guild in any MMO.

[quote]Momonga opened the console and accessed the official data, where he searched for the guild’s ranking. At one point they had stood at Rank 9 out of a little over 800 guilds, but now they had dropped to 29th. Still, this wasn’t so bad in comparison to Rank 48 when they were at their lowest.
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So they were in the top ten at their peak, but never stood at #1, according to the quote in chapter 1. Even that makes no fucking sense. what game has only 800 guilds?

*quote* 37 out of 41 people have quit, and though the remaining three remained as guild members in name, Momonga could not recall the last time that they’d shown up with the exception of today. *quote*

How can a guild with only three people (two of whom don't even bother to log in) still be ranked 29th? Did literally everybody except Momonga stop playing the game at exactly the same time? Is that why they were shutting it down?

It does say that the ranking wasn't due to Momo, but to the relics left by the guild-members who left. But with no info on how "Rank" is calculated, i don't know how that work work.

Is it based on net-worth? Counting their treasury and P2W items?

Is it based on PVP (like I thought it would be)

Are people constantly trying to attack the Great Tomb, and everytime they fall to the NPCs it's counted as a win for the Tomb?

Also, to clear it up, I never said they were weak. Just that all these people claiming he was one of the strongest players are wrong. The guild as a whole was fairly average.

It was Ainz himself claims that his build isn't made for PVP (massive weakness to holy, 90% of his spells don't work against fellow undead, huge weak-points that a player could exploit)

Then there are outliers like Touch-Me who was top-ranked, but the guild as a whole wasn't so amazing.

It IS mentioned that Momonga is "top ranked among elder liches" but if the game only has 800 guilds, and it's mentioned that not many people play monster races, and considering the sheer amount of monsters available plus all the classes that don't lead to the "Elder Lich" class... Momo probably don't have a lot of people to compete against.
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#108 - emiyashirou (08/22/2015) [-]
Ygdrassil had been slowly dying for years, which is why they shut down. Momo was indeed not specced for pvp, he was pve based, but the items he had are really high rank (he also p2w'd so he could equip 8 more rings than f2p players), and it was insanely difficult to actually reach max level, since players lost several levels if they died.

Also, that last point of yours wasn't comparing him to other players. It was stating that his class of Overlord was the highest rank in the lich class chain.
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#109 - iamnuff (08/22/2015) [-]
Well, I remember the ring thing. I know he P2W'ed like a bitch, (and Ygdrassil sounded like a fucking terrible game, considering that with specific P2W items you could literally demand the Devs rewrite the game for you) but that doesn't change his build or make it better, it just means he threw money at it to make up the difference.

Still no indication that he was on the same level as TouchMe.

Secondly, the quote in question is "The former was an Overlord that ranked top even among the Elder Liches — Magic Casters who had turned into the undead in the pursuit of ultimate magic."

i guess that could mean either. It looks to me like "this overlord ranks top among the elder liches" is comparing a specific person to a group of people, rather than one class to another.

(The elder liches) if Elder lich is a class, why was it pluralized? And what's with the "The"?

that said, that could be a translation issue.
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#110 - emiyashirou (08/22/2015) [-]
It's a translation error. The word 'the' doesn't exist in Japanese. I read it raw, and I clearly remember it stating that Elder Lich was the class that ranks up to Overlord
#18 - egebest (08/21/2015) [-]
where do you read the novel?
#20 - egebest (08/21/2015) [-]
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