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#21 - I love these things, they're all surprisingly accurate. What's…  [+] (2 replies) 09/12/2016 on not 9/11 related +8
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#35 - mysticprophecy (09/12/2016) [-]
I'm more thrasher but I like all the genres except the core ones (i like killswitch engage and carnifex tho)
#33 - bulbakip (09/12/2016) [-]
bruhhh where'd you get these?
#124 - Picture  [+] (1 reply) 09/11/2016 on it's over, we're shutting... +23
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#167 - kurbeh (09/11/2016) [-]
You are supposed to provide eleven links now.
#17 - oh god this is great thank you for turning me on to this  [+] (1 reply) 09/11/2016 on twwweeeet +2
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#18 - pinkiepieshappines (09/11/2016) [-]
Yeah Chon's great man
#80 - But you'd have the weigh whose life you value more, you or tha…  [+] (1 reply) 09/11/2016 on Trolley Problem comp 0
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#81 - willgum (09/11/2016) [-]
I am not gonna lie to you right now I have never taken a game theory class and have tried and failed to read the book on many occasions my point is that all the stuff you said about rationals and negatives I couldn't entirely follow and I apologize for this.

Now what you're counting on by not pulling is that the blue guy also didn't pull because you want the best outcome of your choice no matter what choice that is. Self preservation is a massive benefit sure but if we are assuming that we are dealing with two rational people they will want to save themselves and the maximum amount of bystanders.

This incidentally is where the chicken dilemma differs the most from the prisoners dilemma because the prisoners dilemma is pretty much the choice between self preservation and group preservation but this dilemma makes it group V.S. group it's two people who want to save themselves and the maximum amount of people.

I feel like given the fact that I couldn't entirely understand your argument and that I am thinking of the question more philosophically and you're thinking of it more from a mathematical standpoint that you probably won.
#2 - Thsi is literally just the Prisoner's Dilemma  [+] (20 replies) 09/10/2016 on Trolley Problem comp +87
#50 - agronimo (09/10/2016) [-]
This is literally an incorrect use of "literally"
#47 - headhunternl (09/10/2016) [-]
isn't that also the thing Joker used in "The Dark Knight"?
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#16 - echsa (09/10/2016) [-]
whats the prisoners dilemma?
#20 - anon (09/10/2016) [-]
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#13 - willgum (09/10/2016) [-]
well no because their is no benefit for letting the trolleys go in the middle if both pull the lever both live and only 4 people die it's the best choice and both people know it where as in the prisoners dilemma their is a benefit for screwing over the other guy.
#19 - anon (09/10/2016) [-]
the benefit is, if you dont pull the lever then your trolley will crash and stop the other guys if he didnt pull and theres no risk of you getting hit. if you do and he doesnt then his trolley will hit you.
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#33 - willgum (09/10/2016) [-]
that benefit is discounted by the fact that more people die if you don't pull, so if both of you don't pull you live but have killed 5 people but if you both pull you live and kill 4 people.
#80 - StaticX (09/11/2016) [-]
But you'd have the weigh whose life you value more, you or that of 5-6 strangers.

In prisoners Dilemma we assume the people are rational agents, would self preservation not be considered rational?

What if we switch this to values, where each stranger had a value of (1), negated if killed, but the rational agent had a value (5) to themselves , negated if they are killed, and a (1), negated if the other agent kills them.

Referring to the fancily drawn pic related, the best option is both pull, however, with each rational agent valuing their life more than the negative they'd take if they both pulled (5>4), they will both not pull.

I admit, it's a bit of a stretch now that i think about it, but i still think it fits.
Also, forgive me, it's been a while since i took my Game Theory class.
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#81 - willgum (09/11/2016) [-]
I am not gonna lie to you right now I have never taken a game theory class and have tried and failed to read the book on many occasions my point is that all the stuff you said about rationals and negatives I couldn't entirely follow and I apologize for this.

Now what you're counting on by not pulling is that the blue guy also didn't pull because you want the best outcome of your choice no matter what choice that is. Self preservation is a massive benefit sure but if we are assuming that we are dealing with two rational people they will want to save themselves and the maximum amount of bystanders.

This incidentally is where the chicken dilemma differs the most from the prisoners dilemma because the prisoners dilemma is pretty much the choice between self preservation and group preservation but this dilemma makes it group V.S. group it's two people who want to save themselves and the maximum amount of people.

I feel like given the fact that I couldn't entirely understand your argument and that I am thinking of the question more philosophically and you're thinking of it more from a mathematical standpoint that you probably won.
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#17 - madcoww (09/10/2016) [-]
5*
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#34 - willgum (09/10/2016) [-]
you appear to have misread something somewhere
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#8 - sayonarazetsubou (09/10/2016) [-]
[VLR Intensifies]
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#27 - Menko (09/10/2016) [-]
I salute you, sir. Played Zero Time Dilemma yet?
#56 - sayonarazetsubou (09/10/2016) [-]
Yes, I have. Perfect conclusion to the series! It fucked me up way more than VLR ever did, too. I like how they didn't try to hide that everyone in Team D had some sort of relation, but then you figure out how and it's like what the fuck.

Why is Zero Escape not more popular?
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#57 - Menko (09/10/2016) [-]
Oh, it's interesting that you thought the conclusion was perfect. I liked it, but thought it could have been done better. The only section in the game which fucked me up was Diana and Sigma being stuck in the place for 10 months... Fuck that was hard to watch. Can you go into why you really liked the ending? It might give me a new perspective on it.
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#61 - sayonarazetsubou (09/10/2016) [-]
Well, "perfect" is a strong word, I probably shouldn't have used it. And by "conclusion", I don't mean the ending, I mean ZTD as a whole. While yes, it could have been done better, but they also did things right. They managed to tie together several of the different endings (the ones that matter, anyway). "All of it was for all of you to bring your memories from select timelines, make sure Phi and I were born, all so you guys can jump to the coin flip, get out, and take the fucker down." Honestly, I completely forgot about the coin flip at that point. One thing that the Zero Escape series does that is really well done, is making you forget hints, so that when they drop the bomb, you make all the connections, which is what they did with ZTD. The fragment structure was actually really interesting, seeing as how everyone's memories are fragmented because of the memory loss. It makes sense because you're viewing them all as fragments. Zero Escape as a whole is actually really meta, because it goes so far as to even incorporate stuff like saving and jumping . For a while, I didn't get why they chose not to do a 1st-person view like 999 and VLR, but then Delta happened and it all made sense.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that throughout the whole series, everything is right in your face, and you don't realize it until they tie everything together, and ZTD is no different. I'd argue that they did it as well, if not better than VLR. It had a spectacular story that managed to tie in both 999 and VLR. While the overall conclusion wasn't "perfect", it was more than enough to leave me satisfied.

Also, Junpei and Akane actually got together in this new timeline, so that's pretty neat.

Speaking of which, I hated Junpei in the beginning cause he turned into such a fucking asshole, even more than when he was an old man. He started softening up again and I liked him. My friend and I actually had a joke where when Team D was in the shower to press the button, Sigma would just say, "Fuck Junpei." and press the button. I also found the "DO NOT PRESS" scene pretty hilarious.
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#64 - Menko (09/10/2016) [-]
Mm, alright, It seems you share a very similar outlook as me then. The Zero Escape series is so intelligent with how it tells you the story. Everything about it, including even the mechanics, as you said with the fragmented memories, have context and "make sense" in the world. It's probably the best case of it I've seen in a game... If not the only...

I'm still not sure how to feel about Delta... It was such a huge surprise... Reading about it online he was HEAVILY foreshadowed but it still felt like it came out of complete left field. Of all things in the Zero Escape franchise I think they explained Delta the worst. I understand his motivation, but how did he get this motivation? Unless he read the mind of Sigma and Diana when he was born then how did he know anything in order to set up this elaborate game? How did he know that 8 billion people were going to die to a terrorist attack, so he organised the death of 6 billion in order to save the final 2 billion? Not knowing the answer to these questions are what make me feel unsure about the conclusion of Zero Escape.
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#65 - sayonarazetsubou (09/10/2016) [-]
I agree, Delta wasn't the best plot twist. Even though everything started making sense after he was revealed, that doesn't excuse the fact that he was possibly the most jarring twist in the whole series. As for knowing about the terrorist, keep in mind that he can read the minds of everyone around him. Everyone has the capability to SHIFT, it's just a matter of keeping memories intact. Regardless, Delta could have read several minds of people that SHIFTED from whatever the terrorist did, but they just don't remember so they can't do anything about it. There's a way to explain it, but they just... didn't. Honestly, in my opinion, I feel like they didn't need to. It's what, like, another paragraph of dialogue? "I read enough people's minds and found stuff out." Not to mention he was raised by Top-Secret government researchers. I wouldn't be surprised if at least one person he read had a connection to an information network. Nonetheless, it would have been useless. He found out, and that's that. At that point, they were throwing reveal after reveal, and something like that would have slowed the pace down.
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#73 - Menko (09/10/2016) [-]
I completely agree. He was by far the most jarring twist in the entire series. Hmmm, yeah, I guess that's the simple explanation for how he knew... Just wish there was a bit more to it than that. He was also introduced very close to the end of the game. It was like, bam, Delta, and now you're finishing the game. So I think I would have preferred it if it was a bit more fleshed out... Even if it didn't have to be.