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    #177955 - If anything that would probably egg them on further. 02/25/2018 on American Politics 0
    #177847 - That drug example is directly related, but that's beside the p… 02/24/2018 on American Politics 0
    #177838 - When was the last time legalized drugs were proposed as the so…  [+] (2 replies) 02/24/2018 on American Politics 0
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    #177846 - asotil (02/24/2018) [-]
    Portrugal. Drugs became decriminalized after years of being in the top marks for abuse, now you still have junkies and addicts but suddenly its not a problem because its legal

    Gun crime is not an "epidemic" of any kind. Counting suicides and police using deadly force you have around 30k people dying from firearm related incidents yearly. Drop those 2 and you have around 15-18k which includes things like accidents while cleaning etc (which could be avoided if people weren't fucking stupid but to use that in an argument you'd have to also remember anyone of decent physical health and age can drive a car on the highway). Bring it down to ONLY violent crime incidents, you'll have maybe 10k dead a year from gun related crime in a nation of around 400 million. Thats less than a thousandth of a percent if im doing my math right. Now think about schools. Do you see how completely beyond miniscule of an actual issue this is

    More people die in Texas of tobacco related illness every than do firearms nationwide. Giving people the freedom to choose isn't a cop out, its giving them an option to help themselves when direct assistance very simply not possible. Until we can borrow that Russian mind control raygun they used to supposedly cheat a foreign election you'll still have angry kids who hate the world around them and want to hurt people. Hell you can make a bomb out of piss and some select laundry detergents. The fact of reality is that bad people who want to harm others exist and there is absolutely nothing we as a whole can do to stop it en masse except take responsibility for your life into your own hands and stop expecting Big Brother to come and deal with all your problems for you
    User avatar
    #177847 - Shiny (02/24/2018) [-]
    That drug example is directly related, but that's beside the point. I'm not saying school shootings are really a big deal. I'm criticizing the horrible response to liberal demands for gun control.

    It's common knowledge for a lot of people that extra gun laws are superfluous, but liberals won't listen for a reason: the problems they want to address are either real, or as irrationally worried about as their opponents. Conservatives in the US are generally viewed by others as unsympathetic to the plights of others (for better or for worse) and are even more guilty of exacerbating fear of crime with all of their security theater bullshit. The pro gun lobby caters almost exclusively to them, so it has no choice but to say what they want to hear, even though the NRA likely doesn't give a fuck about other conservative causes.

    It's true (and thankfully so) that crime in the US is mostly on a steady decline, but a potential upward trend, even if insignificant, tends to worry people. Statistical probability doesn't matter to Average Joe--what if it happens to their kid? Actually dealing with the underlying issues leading to school shootings is already desirable, but this is a conflict of interest for most conservative groups.
    #1658473 - Comment deleted 02/24/2018 on Video Games | Official GTA... 0
    #177835 - When there are unwanted consequences to such a policy (which w…  [+] (4 replies) 02/24/2018 on American Politics 0
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    #177837 - asotil (02/24/2018) [-]
    So if recreational use of heroin was legalized citizens should be forced to take that needle instead
    User avatar
    #177838 - Shiny (02/24/2018) [-]
    When was the last time legalized drugs were proposed as the solution to a public crisis that wasn't directly related to it? My point was that arming teachers isn't meant to be a real solution to the school shooting epidemic, just a way for pro gun lobbies to avoid saying "not our problem".
    User avatar
    #177846 - asotil (02/24/2018) [-]
    Portrugal. Drugs became decriminalized after years of being in the top marks for abuse, now you still have junkies and addicts but suddenly its not a problem because its legal

    Gun crime is not an "epidemic" of any kind. Counting suicides and police using deadly force you have around 30k people dying from firearm related incidents yearly. Drop those 2 and you have around 15-18k which includes things like accidents while cleaning etc (which could be avoided if people weren't fucking stupid but to use that in an argument you'd have to also remember anyone of decent physical health and age can drive a car on the highway). Bring it down to ONLY violent crime incidents, you'll have maybe 10k dead a year from gun related crime in a nation of around 400 million. Thats less than a thousandth of a percent if im doing my math right. Now think about schools. Do you see how completely beyond miniscule of an actual issue this is

    More people die in Texas of tobacco related illness every than do firearms nationwide. Giving people the freedom to choose isn't a cop out, its giving them an option to help themselves when direct assistance very simply not possible. Until we can borrow that Russian mind control raygun they used to supposedly cheat a foreign election you'll still have angry kids who hate the world around them and want to hurt people. Hell you can make a bomb out of piss and some select laundry detergents. The fact of reality is that bad people who want to harm others exist and there is absolutely nothing we as a whole can do to stop it en masse except take responsibility for your life into your own hands and stop expecting Big Brother to come and deal with all your problems for you
    User avatar
    #177847 - Shiny (02/24/2018) [-]
    That drug example is directly related, but that's beside the point. I'm not saying school shootings are really a big deal. I'm criticizing the horrible response to liberal demands for gun control.

    It's common knowledge for a lot of people that extra gun laws are superfluous, but liberals won't listen for a reason: the problems they want to address are either real, or as irrationally worried about as their opponents. Conservatives in the US are generally viewed by others as unsympathetic to the plights of others (for better or for worse) and are even more guilty of exacerbating fear of crime with all of their security theater bullshit. The pro gun lobby caters almost exclusively to them, so it has no choice but to say what they want to hear, even though the NRA likely doesn't give a fuck about other conservative causes.

    It's true (and thankfully so) that crime in the US is mostly on a steady decline, but a potential upward trend, even if insignificant, tends to worry people. Statistical probability doesn't matter to Average Joe--what if it happens to their kid? Actually dealing with the underlying issues leading to school shootings is already desirable, but this is a conflict of interest for most conservative groups.
    #177830 - Not gonna make any accusations but that's usually what people …  [+] (6 replies) 02/24/2018 on American Politics 0
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    #177832 - asotil (02/24/2018) [-]
    >The thing should be optional and not forced
    >"You're only saying that because its a failure"

    Explain yourself
    User avatar
    #177835 - Shiny (02/24/2018) [-]
    When there are unwanted consequences to such a policy (which would almost certainly happen with something like this), legislators that supported it would throw their hands in the air and say "no one forced them to". It's a way of getting what you want without dealing with the fallout.
    User avatar
    #177837 - asotil (02/24/2018) [-]
    So if recreational use of heroin was legalized citizens should be forced to take that needle instead
    User avatar
    #177838 - Shiny (02/24/2018) [-]
    When was the last time legalized drugs were proposed as the solution to a public crisis that wasn't directly related to it? My point was that arming teachers isn't meant to be a real solution to the school shooting epidemic, just a way for pro gun lobbies to avoid saying "not our problem".
    User avatar
    #177846 - asotil (02/24/2018) [-]
    Portrugal. Drugs became decriminalized after years of being in the top marks for abuse, now you still have junkies and addicts but suddenly its not a problem because its legal

    Gun crime is not an "epidemic" of any kind. Counting suicides and police using deadly force you have around 30k people dying from firearm related incidents yearly. Drop those 2 and you have around 15-18k which includes things like accidents while cleaning etc (which could be avoided if people weren't fucking stupid but to use that in an argument you'd have to also remember anyone of decent physical health and age can drive a car on the highway). Bring it down to ONLY violent crime incidents, you'll have maybe 10k dead a year from gun related crime in a nation of around 400 million. Thats less than a thousandth of a percent if im doing my math right. Now think about schools. Do you see how completely beyond miniscule of an actual issue this is

    More people die in Texas of tobacco related illness every than do firearms nationwide. Giving people the freedom to choose isn't a cop out, its giving them an option to help themselves when direct assistance very simply not possible. Until we can borrow that Russian mind control raygun they used to supposedly cheat a foreign election you'll still have angry kids who hate the world around them and want to hurt people. Hell you can make a bomb out of piss and some select laundry detergents. The fact of reality is that bad people who want to harm others exist and there is absolutely nothing we as a whole can do to stop it en masse except take responsibility for your life into your own hands and stop expecting Big Brother to come and deal with all your problems for you
    User avatar
    #177847 - Shiny (02/24/2018) [-]
    That drug example is directly related, but that's beside the point. I'm not saying school shootings are really a big deal. I'm criticizing the horrible response to liberal demands for gun control.

    It's common knowledge for a lot of people that extra gun laws are superfluous, but liberals won't listen for a reason: the problems they want to address are either real, or as irrationally worried about as their opponents. Conservatives in the US are generally viewed by others as unsympathetic to the plights of others (for better or for worse) and are even more guilty of exacerbating fear of crime with all of their security theater bullshit. The pro gun lobby caters almost exclusively to them, so it has no choice but to say what they want to hear, even though the NRA likely doesn't give a fuck about other conservative causes.

    It's true (and thankfully so) that crime in the US is mostly on a steady decline, but a potential upward trend, even if insignificant, tends to worry people. Statistical probability doesn't matter to Average Joe--what if it happens to their kid? Actually dealing with the underlying issues leading to school shootings is already desirable, but this is a conflict of interest for most conservative groups.
    #177826 - In any likely scenario, giving teachers guns wouldn't do much …  [+] (32 replies) 02/24/2018 on American Politics 0
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    #177829 - theism (02/24/2018) [-]
    According to schnizel public school already hire precogs.
    User avatar
    #177834 - schnizel (02/24/2018) [-]
    According to theism the florida shooter was a part of the Florida militia, oh woops, that turned out of be fake didnt it.
    User avatar
    #177836 - theism (02/24/2018) [-]
    Because of information that wasn't available at the time I said that.
    User avatar
    #177839 - schnizel (02/24/2018) [-]
    Spend, 5 seconds cheking up your shit you roach.
    User avatar
    #177840 - theism (02/24/2018) [-]
    Do you actually believe in precognition? Because Jereb hadn't retracted his statement when I made that post.
    User avatar
    #177842 - schnizel (02/24/2018) [-]
    Then why didnt you admit that you were wrong, when i pointed it out and define it.
    User avatar
    #177843 - theism (02/24/2018) [-]
    Because it's irrelevant to the discussion. I'd have pointed out that you were dodging the topic but we both already knew that.
    User avatar
    #177844 - schnizel (02/24/2018) [-]
    >literally start the topic about it
    >i prove him wrong
    >denies it
    >now tells me that he didnt know about it before i made the post even tho he was wrong
    >claims its not relevant
    Yep we got a live tard
    User avatar
    #177845 - theism (02/24/2018) [-]
    Were we just talking about Jereb?
    User avatar
    #177861 - schnizel (02/24/2018) [-]
    We were talking about the whole thing.
    User avatar
    #177875 - theism (02/24/2018) [-]
    What were we talking about yesterday?
    User avatar
    #177877 - schnizel (02/24/2018) [-]
    The debate you backed out of.
    User avatar
    #177876 - schnizel (02/24/2018) [-]
    Arming teachers and your past lies.
    User avatar
    #177878 - theism (02/24/2018) [-]
    No, we were talking about arming teacher. You brought up Jereb because you realized you were retarded. You're still wrong about Jereb unless you actually believe in precogs.
    User avatar
    #177879 - schnizel (02/24/2018) [-]
    I was right,completely.
    User avatar
    #177880 - theism (02/24/2018) [-]
    The fact that's your only response proves you don't believe it.
    User avatar
    #177884 - schnizel (02/24/2018) [-]
    I can't believe how someone can be as retarded as you and still believe he's right.
    User avatar
    #177882 - schnizel (02/24/2018) [-]
    #177833
    User avatar
    #177881 - schnizel (02/24/2018) [-]
    1. he was not a part of the militia
    2. you stopped responding to my comments in the newest debate
    2/2 for me
    User avatar
    #177899 - theism (02/24/2018) [-]
    I don't see how being on your phone prevents you from thinking before you type.
    User avatar
    #177887 - theism (02/24/2018) [-]
    Also when you triple reply it shows how mad you are.
    User avatar
    #177892 - schnizel (02/24/2018) [-]
    Im on my phone you ameritard
    User avatar
    #177886 - theism (02/24/2018) [-]
    Because of information we didn't know at the time. Can you see the future?
    User avatar
    #177891 - schnizel (02/24/2018) [-]
    Talk Simic because you make baseless claims and get blown the fuck out.
    User avatar
    #177828 - asotil (02/24/2018) [-]
    Read marinepenguins comment below

    Forcing teachers to carry is fucking stupid. Allowing them the option is good
    User avatar
    #177830 - Shiny (02/24/2018) [-]
    Not gonna make any accusations but that's usually what people suggest when they don't want to take the blame for failed policies.
    User avatar
    #177832 - asotil (02/24/2018) [-]
    >The thing should be optional and not forced
    >"You're only saying that because its a failure"

    Explain yourself
    User avatar
    #177835 - Shiny (02/24/2018) [-]
    When there are unwanted consequences to such a policy (which would almost certainly happen with something like this), legislators that supported it would throw their hands in the air and say "no one forced them to". It's a way of getting what you want without dealing with the fallout.
    User avatar
    #177837 - asotil (02/24/2018) [-]
    So if recreational use of heroin was legalized citizens should be forced to take that needle instead
    User avatar
    #177838 - Shiny (02/24/2018) [-]
    When was the last time legalized drugs were proposed as the solution to a public crisis that wasn't directly related to it? My point was that arming teachers isn't meant to be a real solution to the school shooting epidemic, just a way for pro gun lobbies to avoid saying "not our problem".
    User avatar
    #177846 - asotil (02/24/2018) [-]
    Portrugal. Drugs became decriminalized after years of being in the top marks for abuse, now you still have junkies and addicts but suddenly its not a problem because its legal

    Gun crime is not an "epidemic" of any kind. Counting suicides and police using deadly force you have around 30k people dying from firearm related incidents yearly. Drop those 2 and you have around 15-18k which includes things like accidents while cleaning etc (which could be avoided if people weren't fucking stupid but to use that in an argument you'd have to also remember anyone of decent physical health and age can drive a car on the highway). Bring it down to ONLY violent crime incidents, you'll have maybe 10k dead a year from gun related crime in a nation of around 400 million. Thats less than a thousandth of a percent if im doing my math right. Now think about schools. Do you see how completely beyond miniscule of an actual issue this is

    More people die in Texas of tobacco related illness every than do firearms nationwide. Giving people the freedom to choose isn't a cop out, its giving them an option to help themselves when direct assistance very simply not possible. Until we can borrow that Russian mind control raygun they used to supposedly cheat a foreign election you'll still have angry kids who hate the world around them and want to hurt people. Hell you can make a bomb out of piss and some select laundry detergents. The fact of reality is that bad people who want to harm others exist and there is absolutely nothing we as a whole can do to stop it en masse except take responsibility for your life into your own hands and stop expecting Big Brother to come and deal with all your problems for you
    User avatar
    #177847 - Shiny (02/24/2018) [-]
    That drug example is directly related, but that's beside the point. I'm not saying school shootings are really a big deal. I'm criticizing the horrible response to liberal demands for gun control.

    It's common knowledge for a lot of people that extra gun laws are superfluous, but liberals won't listen for a reason: the problems they want to address are either real, or as irrationally worried about as their opponents. Conservatives in the US are generally viewed by others as unsympathetic to the plights of others (for better or for worse) and are even more guilty of exacerbating fear of crime with all of their security theater bullshit. The pro gun lobby caters almost exclusively to them, so it has no choice but to say what they want to hear, even though the NRA likely doesn't give a fuck about other conservative causes.

    It's true (and thankfully so) that crime in the US is mostly on a steady decline, but a potential upward trend, even if insignificant, tends to worry people. Statistical probability doesn't matter to Average Joe--what if it happens to their kid? Actually dealing with the underlying issues leading to school shootings is already desirable, but this is a conflict of interest for most conservative groups.
    #177824 - A lot of mental illnesses could technically be described that … 02/24/2018 on American Politics 0
    #64 - "After World War II, crime rates increased in the United … 02/24/2018 on clammy violent windy Mantis 0
    #57 - Violent crime in the US peaked in the late 80s.  [+] (2 replies) 02/24/2018 on clammy violent windy Mantis 0
    #61 - anon (02/24/2018) [-]
    Correlation =/ Causation.
    Please post graph anyway
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    #64 - Shiny (02/24/2018) [-]
    "After World War II, crime rates increased in the United States, peaking from the 1970s to the early 1990s. Violent crime nearly quadrupled between 1960 and its peak in 1991. Property crime more than doubled over the same period. Since the 1990s, however, crime in the United States has declined steeply."

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_Un...

    Exact peak was a little off, but my point stands. Also, correlation not meaning causation is why OP is retarded to begin with. Meta analysis of crime and gun laws has shown little correlation with crime, positive or negative:

    journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/...
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