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#15 - I'll be completely honest here. I am a Genji Main …  [+] (7 replies) 08/21/2016 on RIP Genji -5
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#30 - meganinja (08/21/2016) [-]
Tracer has 1/4 less hp than Genji and she needs to get close to do any damage. Saying Genji is too weak to get close isn't much of an argument.

Face it you're just mad because they removed a bug that you exploited, and now you won't be able to exploit it anymore. The power that it gave Genji was more than it should have been, combined with the fact that it was a bug in the first place, so it was removed for the sake of balance.

Imagine if Junkrat's bombs had 2x the explosion radius, but when they nerfed it back to what it was supposed to be idiots on the internet went around arguing "b-b-b-b-but he loves explosions! His explosions should be huge since he's crazy and tinkers with explosives all the time! Blizzard you're being unfair now my favorite hero is UNPLAYABLE!"
#17 - bluemagebrilly (08/21/2016) [-]
It was plainly obvious you were a Genji main. Only one of them could be that upset about it. You have to put yourself in the shoes of other players, though, especially since it's rare for a Genji to fight another Genji, so you probably have no idea what it looked like to others.

1# If that's your idea of Ninja, then you should probably rethink what combat is like for them.

2# Of course it's useful, but was it fair? You already have 3 ways of dealing with that, having the 4th way getting nerfed/removed is not that big of a deal. Adapt.

3# He's not paper in the rights hands. Time your reflect better and use your dash to escape or finish people off before they can kill you. Y'know, like intended.

4# Yes, those tactics are fine. In what way does constantly jumping off the same wall over, and over, and over again... contribute to those tactics? That would, in actual combat, get you killed. You'd go for the wall and it would either a) blow up when they notice or b) you'd get shot in the back of the head. The game doesn't really work with that, especially with non-destructible walls, so they got rid of it.

His nerfs didn't affect his ability to be a Ninja at all. They buffed his damage and nerfed two gimmicks with his mobility. Both which weren't intended to be part of his kit to begin with.
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#41 - speederzdk (08/21/2016) [-]
Buffed his damage? When?
#42 - bluemagebrilly (08/21/2016) [-]
I was told that in the update everyone is complaining about with Genji, they buffed his Shuriken so he relies on them more, but also to balance that they nerfed his sword slightly.

Also for your other comment about them buffing McCree, they nerfed him after a buff. They gave him that "Damage doesn't fall off" thing, then made it so his bullets can't shoot as far... I think? It was a little vague on that part, but he doesn't snipe people now at least.
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#43 - speederzdk (08/21/2016) [-]
You're right about the McCree thing.
But there is nothing in the patch notes about Genji getting his Shurikens or anything tweaked to compensate. It's all nerf.
#44 - bluemagebrilly (08/21/2016) [-]
Seems like you're right. Wonder where the buff talk came from then? Weird.

But still, his shuriken are pretty strong regardless. They'll probably tweak him again after the PTR goes into the real game just like they did with McCree.
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#45 - speederzdk (08/21/2016) [-]
My exact thoughts. I don't believe they will leave him in the gutter. They will probably tweak the damage of his Shurikens. Which makes even more sense now that his main form of 1v1 is getting removed.
#13 - "Ninja's don't jump wall to wall" WELL HOLY…  [+] (10 replies) 08/21/2016 on RIP Genji -3
#14 - bluemagebrilly (08/21/2016) [-]
... Like I said, they don't do that during battle. Even in Strider, it was a mobility thing and he wasn't double jumping. He was jumping from wall to wall, which isn't what Genji's thing was anyways and like I said, he could probably do his wall climbing thing if it wasn't for just gameplay. In the context of Genji, he was just jumping on a wall, jumping back on the wall, and then jumping back off it then onto it again. Y'know, which Strider can't do. You just slide down if you fail the jump.

But you can't fail the jump in Overwatch, especially since he can actually climb them.

But in most actual cases of Ninja, jumping wall to wall wasn't really a thing unless they were going to escape or if the walls were super close together. Which is, again, out of the context of Genji because that's not what he was doing.
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#16 - ReeferTrees (08/21/2016) [-]
End Rant, you bore me now
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#15 - ReeferTrees (08/21/2016) [-]
I'll be completely honest here.

I am a Genji Main

Wall jumping was my main strategy... Why?

#1 he's a fucking ninja, ninja's do Ninja Shit
#2 It is excellent for, oh I don't know, getting the fuck around while avoiding getting fucking shot?
#3 HE IS FUCKING PAPER HE DOES NOT BELONG FACE TO FACE WITH ENEMIES
#4 Have you ever heard of Guerila tactics? I think you should since you seemed to hint at it in your earlier comment, talking about him swooping in to harm enemies and disappear quickly, LIKE A NINJA!?!?!?

Seriously you confuse the fuck out of me, you continually say he should play like a ninja but defend his Nerfs which MAKE HIM NOT A NINJA
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#30 - meganinja (08/21/2016) [-]
Tracer has 1/4 less hp than Genji and she needs to get close to do any damage. Saying Genji is too weak to get close isn't much of an argument.

Face it you're just mad because they removed a bug that you exploited, and now you won't be able to exploit it anymore. The power that it gave Genji was more than it should have been, combined with the fact that it was a bug in the first place, so it was removed for the sake of balance.

Imagine if Junkrat's bombs had 2x the explosion radius, but when they nerfed it back to what it was supposed to be idiots on the internet went around arguing "b-b-b-b-but he loves explosions! His explosions should be huge since he's crazy and tinkers with explosives all the time! Blizzard you're being unfair now my favorite hero is UNPLAYABLE!"
#17 - bluemagebrilly (08/21/2016) [-]
It was plainly obvious you were a Genji main. Only one of them could be that upset about it. You have to put yourself in the shoes of other players, though, especially since it's rare for a Genji to fight another Genji, so you probably have no idea what it looked like to others.

1# If that's your idea of Ninja, then you should probably rethink what combat is like for them.

2# Of course it's useful, but was it fair? You already have 3 ways of dealing with that, having the 4th way getting nerfed/removed is not that big of a deal. Adapt.

3# He's not paper in the rights hands. Time your reflect better and use your dash to escape or finish people off before they can kill you. Y'know, like intended.

4# Yes, those tactics are fine. In what way does constantly jumping off the same wall over, and over, and over again... contribute to those tactics? That would, in actual combat, get you killed. You'd go for the wall and it would either a) blow up when they notice or b) you'd get shot in the back of the head. The game doesn't really work with that, especially with non-destructible walls, so they got rid of it.

His nerfs didn't affect his ability to be a Ninja at all. They buffed his damage and nerfed two gimmicks with his mobility. Both which weren't intended to be part of his kit to begin with.
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#41 - speederzdk (08/21/2016) [-]
Buffed his damage? When?
#42 - bluemagebrilly (08/21/2016) [-]
I was told that in the update everyone is complaining about with Genji, they buffed his Shuriken so he relies on them more, but also to balance that they nerfed his sword slightly.

Also for your other comment about them buffing McCree, they nerfed him after a buff. They gave him that "Damage doesn't fall off" thing, then made it so his bullets can't shoot as far... I think? It was a little vague on that part, but he doesn't snipe people now at least.
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#43 - speederzdk (08/21/2016) [-]
You're right about the McCree thing.
But there is nothing in the patch notes about Genji getting his Shurikens or anything tweaked to compensate. It's all nerf.
#44 - bluemagebrilly (08/21/2016) [-]
Seems like you're right. Wonder where the buff talk came from then? Weird.

But still, his shuriken are pretty strong regardless. They'll probably tweak him again after the PTR goes into the real game just like they did with McCree.
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#45 - speederzdk (08/21/2016) [-]
My exact thoughts. I don't believe they will leave him in the gutter. They will probably tweak the damage of his Shurikens. Which makes even more sense now that his main form of 1v1 is getting removed.
#10 - You say it's a change no one will notice and it doesn't affect…  [+] (12 replies) 08/21/2016 on RIP Genji -2
#12 - bluemagebrilly (08/21/2016) [-]
I don't get what is hard to understand and first of all, I never said no one would notice or that it doesn't affect him. In fact I said it affected him several times, but most Genji players won't notice it if they didn't already rely on the wall jumping thing. It does affect his "professional" movement, but really they just have to adapt to it. Who knows? Maybe they'll find it even better now that they don't have a reason to fight near walls and potentially get pinned.

But you realize that most Ninjas don't jump wall to wall, right? Like, some of them probably could, and I think it's only a gameplay thing that prevents him from having infinite wall climbing, but they don't just... jump off a wall constantly or anything, especially during battle. That'd just get them killed. And again, in most cases, a Ninja shouldn't sit around and jump in front of their enemy like a crazy man. They go for the kill and then run away, that's it. Can you seriously say you can see a situation where a man constantly jumping off a wall in front of him would really work out, or even make sense?

I don't get what your issue is.

And to your other comment, what... does that matter? You do know they have physics and explanations for everything the characters do, right? Even Mercy's crap has some scientific explanation they use for it. Can't say it's 100% logical or anything, and I'm not expecting it to be, but in Genji's case, adding in rocket shoes or at least a burst of air from his feet when he dashes would at least make his technique less... Well, I'm not sure what the right word is. Floaty? Sudden? Weird? Dumb? Something like that.

Regardless, you do need to calm down.
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#13 - ReeferTrees (08/21/2016) [-]
"Ninja's don't jump wall to wall"

WELL HOLY SHIT SOMEBODY CALL STRIDER, RYU HAYABUSA, AND EVERY OTHER NINJA TO EVER BE IN ANY VIDEO GAME OR SHOW IN ALL FUCKING ETERNITY AND TELL THEM CAUSE THERE HAS BEEN A HUGE MISCOMMUNICATION HERE
#14 - bluemagebrilly (08/21/2016) [-]
... Like I said, they don't do that during battle. Even in Strider, it was a mobility thing and he wasn't double jumping. He was jumping from wall to wall, which isn't what Genji's thing was anyways and like I said, he could probably do his wall climbing thing if it wasn't for just gameplay. In the context of Genji, he was just jumping on a wall, jumping back on the wall, and then jumping back off it then onto it again. Y'know, which Strider can't do. You just slide down if you fail the jump.

But you can't fail the jump in Overwatch, especially since he can actually climb them.

But in most actual cases of Ninja, jumping wall to wall wasn't really a thing unless they were going to escape or if the walls were super close together. Which is, again, out of the context of Genji because that's not what he was doing.
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#16 - ReeferTrees (08/21/2016) [-]
End Rant, you bore me now
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#15 - ReeferTrees (08/21/2016) [-]
I'll be completely honest here.

I am a Genji Main

Wall jumping was my main strategy... Why?

#1 he's a fucking ninja, ninja's do Ninja Shit
#2 It is excellent for, oh I don't know, getting the fuck around while avoiding getting fucking shot?
#3 HE IS FUCKING PAPER HE DOES NOT BELONG FACE TO FACE WITH ENEMIES
#4 Have you ever heard of Guerila tactics? I think you should since you seemed to hint at it in your earlier comment, talking about him swooping in to harm enemies and disappear quickly, LIKE A NINJA!?!?!?

Seriously you confuse the fuck out of me, you continually say he should play like a ninja but defend his Nerfs which MAKE HIM NOT A NINJA
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#30 - meganinja (08/21/2016) [-]
Tracer has 1/4 less hp than Genji and she needs to get close to do any damage. Saying Genji is too weak to get close isn't much of an argument.

Face it you're just mad because they removed a bug that you exploited, and now you won't be able to exploit it anymore. The power that it gave Genji was more than it should have been, combined with the fact that it was a bug in the first place, so it was removed for the sake of balance.

Imagine if Junkrat's bombs had 2x the explosion radius, but when they nerfed it back to what it was supposed to be idiots on the internet went around arguing "b-b-b-b-but he loves explosions! His explosions should be huge since he's crazy and tinkers with explosives all the time! Blizzard you're being unfair now my favorite hero is UNPLAYABLE!"
#17 - bluemagebrilly (08/21/2016) [-]
It was plainly obvious you were a Genji main. Only one of them could be that upset about it. You have to put yourself in the shoes of other players, though, especially since it's rare for a Genji to fight another Genji, so you probably have no idea what it looked like to others.

1# If that's your idea of Ninja, then you should probably rethink what combat is like for them.

2# Of course it's useful, but was it fair? You already have 3 ways of dealing with that, having the 4th way getting nerfed/removed is not that big of a deal. Adapt.

3# He's not paper in the rights hands. Time your reflect better and use your dash to escape or finish people off before they can kill you. Y'know, like intended.

4# Yes, those tactics are fine. In what way does constantly jumping off the same wall over, and over, and over again... contribute to those tactics? That would, in actual combat, get you killed. You'd go for the wall and it would either a) blow up when they notice or b) you'd get shot in the back of the head. The game doesn't really work with that, especially with non-destructible walls, so they got rid of it.

His nerfs didn't affect his ability to be a Ninja at all. They buffed his damage and nerfed two gimmicks with his mobility. Both which weren't intended to be part of his kit to begin with.
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#41 - speederzdk (08/21/2016) [-]
Buffed his damage? When?
#42 - bluemagebrilly (08/21/2016) [-]
I was told that in the update everyone is complaining about with Genji, they buffed his Shuriken so he relies on them more, but also to balance that they nerfed his sword slightly.

Also for your other comment about them buffing McCree, they nerfed him after a buff. They gave him that "Damage doesn't fall off" thing, then made it so his bullets can't shoot as far... I think? It was a little vague on that part, but he doesn't snipe people now at least.
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#43 - speederzdk (08/21/2016) [-]
You're right about the McCree thing.
But there is nothing in the patch notes about Genji getting his Shurikens or anything tweaked to compensate. It's all nerf.
#44 - bluemagebrilly (08/21/2016) [-]
Seems like you're right. Wonder where the buff talk came from then? Weird.

But still, his shuriken are pretty strong regardless. They'll probably tweak him again after the PTR goes into the real game just like they did with McCree.
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#45 - speederzdk (08/21/2016) [-]
My exact thoughts. I don't believe they will leave him in the gutter. They will probably tweak the damage of his Shurikens. Which makes even more sense now that his main form of 1v1 is getting removed.
#8 - ....I'm not even sure how to reply You are saying he …  [+] (23 replies) 08/21/2016 on RIP Genji -7
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#24 - iziya (08/21/2016) [-]
wall climbing no longer resets his double jump, from my understanding, he could still jump once, climb the wall, then jump again.
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#25 - iziya (08/21/2016) [-]
Just tested it, and it does work like that. As long as you don't double jump before climbing the wall, you can still jump in the air once. all these nerfs just seem to be bug fixes
#9 - bluemagebrilly (08/21/2016) [-]
He should play like a Ninja: Jump down, weaken the enemy or kill them, then run away. Jumping back and forth like a crazy man is not what Ninjas do. They are assassins.

His mobility wasn't removed, it was tweaked. He can still double jump period, he just can't do it off walls. He has to actually land instead of just wall jumping, which shouldn't be a thing anyways. In what way does that actually change his mobility? In most cases, most Genjis won't even notice the difference, since not all of them relied off walls to jump in the first place. Most of them just land on their feet then jump again, which wasn't removed.

He's still a ninja and his Shuriken got buffed as far as I was told, which means he has even more kill potential now even if he lost some of his survival mobility that he didn't really need to begin with. He can still dash away if he gets into a critical position and he can still climb up walls or jump off them, just not double jump unless it didn't need refreshed.

Really, you're makin' a big deal out of him losing a technique that wasn't even needed.
#36 - jaggsauce (08/21/2016) [-]
yeah and McCree wasn't nerfed, he was just "tweaked" too.

these changes will dawn on you once you find yourself laughing when you see an enemy genji.

he is a joke now.. and all you plebs here are so consumed by your hate for his current form that you are in denial about it.
#38 - bluemagebrilly (08/21/2016) [-]
McCree is still great, though? He's still extremely strong in the right hands and now he's not overpowered in everyone's hands? It was a good nerf after a buff. Now he isn't sniping people from half the map away and that's good.

The Genji nerf is going to be the same way. He's not going to completely fall off, he's just tweaked so people have to adapt more and play him how he was intended to be played.

I don't really think you understand what the nerfs do if you think Genji is going to be a joke. Don't overreact. He's still going to be strong.
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#47 - jaggsauce (08/21/2016) [-]
nigga pls, that' was after they fixed him for like the 4th time.
#49 - bluemagebrilly (08/21/2016) [-]
Yes... and?

They're going to do the same thing to Genji and he's going to be just fine... Just like McCree is.

There's never going to be a point where a character is completely useless or a joke. Honestly, McCree was more overpowered than anything when they tweaked him and now the only complaint is that his right click isn't his main focus anymore.
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#50 - jaggsauce (08/21/2016) [-]
Genji doesn't exactly suffer from the same problems that McCree did.

a nerf to his ult would have sufficed. but on top of that they nerfed like 3 other aspects of him... that's over the top.
#52 - bluemagebrilly (08/21/2016) [-]
As someone who has played with and against Genjis, watching them destroy a team or dealing with a Genji jumping back and forth in place for like 10 seconds...

I disagree.

I think his nerf is fine and they'll buff his offensive ability to balance out his gimmick being removed. It's seriously not that big of a deal. The only major nerf I can even see on him is having his dash unable to get through Junkrat. That's the only aspect of his nerf that I feel will really affect his gameplay overall.

Plus the two seconds on his ult, but... I dunno about that one.
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#40 - speederzdk (08/21/2016) [-]
McCree got buffed a little after his nerf.
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#10 - ReeferTrees (08/21/2016) [-]
You say it's a change no one will notice and it doesn't affect him

You also say he shouldn't be jumping from wall to wall

You also say he should play like a Ninja

I DON'T UNDERSTAND YOU
#12 - bluemagebrilly (08/21/2016) [-]
I don't get what is hard to understand and first of all, I never said no one would notice or that it doesn't affect him. In fact I said it affected him several times, but most Genji players won't notice it if they didn't already rely on the wall jumping thing. It does affect his "professional" movement, but really they just have to adapt to it. Who knows? Maybe they'll find it even better now that they don't have a reason to fight near walls and potentially get pinned.

But you realize that most Ninjas don't jump wall to wall, right? Like, some of them probably could, and I think it's only a gameplay thing that prevents him from having infinite wall climbing, but they don't just... jump off a wall constantly or anything, especially during battle. That'd just get them killed. And again, in most cases, a Ninja shouldn't sit around and jump in front of their enemy like a crazy man. They go for the kill and then run away, that's it. Can you seriously say you can see a situation where a man constantly jumping off a wall in front of him would really work out, or even make sense?

I don't get what your issue is.

And to your other comment, what... does that matter? You do know they have physics and explanations for everything the characters do, right? Even Mercy's crap has some scientific explanation they use for it. Can't say it's 100% logical or anything, and I'm not expecting it to be, but in Genji's case, adding in rocket shoes or at least a burst of air from his feet when he dashes would at least make his technique less... Well, I'm not sure what the right word is. Floaty? Sudden? Weird? Dumb? Something like that.

Regardless, you do need to calm down.
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#13 - ReeferTrees (08/21/2016) [-]
"Ninja's don't jump wall to wall"

WELL HOLY SHIT SOMEBODY CALL STRIDER, RYU HAYABUSA, AND EVERY OTHER NINJA TO EVER BE IN ANY VIDEO GAME OR SHOW IN ALL FUCKING ETERNITY AND TELL THEM CAUSE THERE HAS BEEN A HUGE MISCOMMUNICATION HERE
#14 - bluemagebrilly (08/21/2016) [-]
... Like I said, they don't do that during battle. Even in Strider, it was a mobility thing and he wasn't double jumping. He was jumping from wall to wall, which isn't what Genji's thing was anyways and like I said, he could probably do his wall climbing thing if it wasn't for just gameplay. In the context of Genji, he was just jumping on a wall, jumping back on the wall, and then jumping back off it then onto it again. Y'know, which Strider can't do. You just slide down if you fail the jump.

But you can't fail the jump in Overwatch, especially since he can actually climb them.

But in most actual cases of Ninja, jumping wall to wall wasn't really a thing unless they were going to escape or if the walls were super close together. Which is, again, out of the context of Genji because that's not what he was doing.
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#16 - ReeferTrees (08/21/2016) [-]
End Rant, you bore me now
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#15 - ReeferTrees (08/21/2016) [-]
I'll be completely honest here.

I am a Genji Main

Wall jumping was my main strategy... Why?

#1 he's a fucking ninja, ninja's do Ninja Shit
#2 It is excellent for, oh I don't know, getting the fuck around while avoiding getting fucking shot?
#3 HE IS FUCKING PAPER HE DOES NOT BELONG FACE TO FACE WITH ENEMIES
#4 Have you ever heard of Guerila tactics? I think you should since you seemed to hint at it in your earlier comment, talking about him swooping in to harm enemies and disappear quickly, LIKE A NINJA!?!?!?

Seriously you confuse the fuck out of me, you continually say he should play like a ninja but defend his Nerfs which MAKE HIM NOT A NINJA
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#30 - meganinja (08/21/2016) [-]
Tracer has 1/4 less hp than Genji and she needs to get close to do any damage. Saying Genji is too weak to get close isn't much of an argument.

Face it you're just mad because they removed a bug that you exploited, and now you won't be able to exploit it anymore. The power that it gave Genji was more than it should have been, combined with the fact that it was a bug in the first place, so it was removed for the sake of balance.

Imagine if Junkrat's bombs had 2x the explosion radius, but when they nerfed it back to what it was supposed to be idiots on the internet went around arguing "b-b-b-b-but he loves explosions! His explosions should be huge since he's crazy and tinkers with explosives all the time! Blizzard you're being unfair now my favorite hero is UNPLAYABLE!"
#17 - bluemagebrilly (08/21/2016) [-]
It was plainly obvious you were a Genji main. Only one of them could be that upset about it. You have to put yourself in the shoes of other players, though, especially since it's rare for a Genji to fight another Genji, so you probably have no idea what it looked like to others.

1# If that's your idea of Ninja, then you should probably rethink what combat is like for them.

2# Of course it's useful, but was it fair? You already have 3 ways of dealing with that, having the 4th way getting nerfed/removed is not that big of a deal. Adapt.

3# He's not paper in the rights hands. Time your reflect better and use your dash to escape or finish people off before they can kill you. Y'know, like intended.

4# Yes, those tactics are fine. In what way does constantly jumping off the same wall over, and over, and over again... contribute to those tactics? That would, in actual combat, get you killed. You'd go for the wall and it would either a) blow up when they notice or b) you'd get shot in the back of the head. The game doesn't really work with that, especially with non-destructible walls, so they got rid of it.

His nerfs didn't affect his ability to be a Ninja at all. They buffed his damage and nerfed two gimmicks with his mobility. Both which weren't intended to be part of his kit to begin with.
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#41 - speederzdk (08/21/2016) [-]
Buffed his damage? When?
#42 - bluemagebrilly (08/21/2016) [-]
I was told that in the update everyone is complaining about with Genji, they buffed his Shuriken so he relies on them more, but also to balance that they nerfed his sword slightly.

Also for your other comment about them buffing McCree, they nerfed him after a buff. They gave him that "Damage doesn't fall off" thing, then made it so his bullets can't shoot as far... I think? It was a little vague on that part, but he doesn't snipe people now at least.
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#43 - speederzdk (08/21/2016) [-]
You're right about the McCree thing.
But there is nothing in the patch notes about Genji getting his Shurikens or anything tweaked to compensate. It's all nerf.
#44 - bluemagebrilly (08/21/2016) [-]
Seems like you're right. Wonder where the buff talk came from then? Weird.

But still, his shuriken are pretty strong regardless. They'll probably tweak him again after the PTR goes into the real game just like they did with McCree.
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#45 - speederzdk (08/21/2016) [-]
My exact thoughts. I don't believe they will leave him in the gutter. They will probably tweak the damage of his Shurikens. Which makes even more sense now that his main form of 1v1 is getting removed.
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#6 - bluemagebrilly (08/21/2016) [-]
Because he doesn't have just mobility. He has a kit designed to kill and assassinate, like a Ninja. His mobility wasn't removed, just tweaked so that he isn't up in your face 24/7 and impossible to hit. Because that's not what a Ninja is and it's not Genji is supposed to be played.
#35 - jaggsauce (08/21/2016) [-]
you fuckinh hypocrite.

read your own text again and tell me you aren't a hypocrite.
#37 - bluemagebrilly (08/21/2016) [-]
I'm aware I misspoke a few times since I suck at explaining things, but I don't think I said anything hypocritical.
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#8 - ReeferTrees (08/21/2016) [-]
....I'm not even sure how to reply

You are saying he should play like a Ninja... and NOT jump around... wut
You are saying his Mobility was not removed, but he can't double jump off of Walls anymore... wut

Yes, he has Reflect... which lasts about 3 fucking seconds and takes 20 to charge

So do tell me, how is he supposed to be a ninja now?
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#24 - iziya (08/21/2016) [-]
wall climbing no longer resets his double jump, from my understanding, he could still jump once, climb the wall, then jump again.
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#25 - iziya (08/21/2016) [-]
Just tested it, and it does work like that. As long as you don't double jump before climbing the wall, you can still jump in the air once. all these nerfs just seem to be bug fixes
#9 - bluemagebrilly (08/21/2016) [-]
He should play like a Ninja: Jump down, weaken the enemy or kill them, then run away. Jumping back and forth like a crazy man is not what Ninjas do. They are assassins.

His mobility wasn't removed, it was tweaked. He can still double jump period, he just can't do it off walls. He has to actually land instead of just wall jumping, which shouldn't be a thing anyways. In what way does that actually change his mobility? In most cases, most Genjis won't even notice the difference, since not all of them relied off walls to jump in the first place. Most of them just land on their feet then jump again, which wasn't removed.

He's still a ninja and his Shuriken got buffed as far as I was told, which means he has even more kill potential now even if he lost some of his survival mobility that he didn't really need to begin with. He can still dash away if he gets into a critical position and he can still climb up walls or jump off them, just not double jump unless it didn't need refreshed.

Really, you're makin' a big deal out of him losing a technique that wasn't even needed.
#36 - jaggsauce (08/21/2016) [-]
yeah and McCree wasn't nerfed, he was just "tweaked" too.

these changes will dawn on you once you find yourself laughing when you see an enemy genji.

he is a joke now.. and all you plebs here are so consumed by your hate for his current form that you are in denial about it.
#38 - bluemagebrilly (08/21/2016) [-]
McCree is still great, though? He's still extremely strong in the right hands and now he's not overpowered in everyone's hands? It was a good nerf after a buff. Now he isn't sniping people from half the map away and that's good.

The Genji nerf is going to be the same way. He's not going to completely fall off, he's just tweaked so people have to adapt more and play him how he was intended to be played.

I don't really think you understand what the nerfs do if you think Genji is going to be a joke. Don't overreact. He's still going to be strong.
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#47 - jaggsauce (08/21/2016) [-]
nigga pls, that' was after they fixed him for like the 4th time.
#49 - bluemagebrilly (08/21/2016) [-]
Yes... and?

They're going to do the same thing to Genji and he's going to be just fine... Just like McCree is.

There's never going to be a point where a character is completely useless or a joke. Honestly, McCree was more overpowered than anything when they tweaked him and now the only complaint is that his right click isn't his main focus anymore.
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#50 - jaggsauce (08/21/2016) [-]
Genji doesn't exactly suffer from the same problems that McCree did.

a nerf to his ult would have sufficed. but on top of that they nerfed like 3 other aspects of him... that's over the top.
#52 - bluemagebrilly (08/21/2016) [-]
As someone who has played with and against Genjis, watching them destroy a team or dealing with a Genji jumping back and forth in place for like 10 seconds...

I disagree.

I think his nerf is fine and they'll buff his offensive ability to balance out his gimmick being removed. It's seriously not that big of a deal. The only major nerf I can even see on him is having his dash unable to get through Junkrat. That's the only aspect of his nerf that I feel will really affect his gameplay overall.

Plus the two seconds on his ult, but... I dunno about that one.
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#40 - speederzdk (08/21/2016) [-]
McCree got buffed a little after his nerf.
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#10 - ReeferTrees (08/21/2016) [-]
You say it's a change no one will notice and it doesn't affect him

You also say he shouldn't be jumping from wall to wall

You also say he should play like a Ninja

I DON'T UNDERSTAND YOU
#12 - bluemagebrilly (08/21/2016) [-]
I don't get what is hard to understand and first of all, I never said no one would notice or that it doesn't affect him. In fact I said it affected him several times, but most Genji players won't notice it if they didn't already rely on the wall jumping thing. It does affect his "professional" movement, but really they just have to adapt to it. Who knows? Maybe they'll find it even better now that they don't have a reason to fight near walls and potentially get pinned.

But you realize that most Ninjas don't jump wall to wall, right? Like, some of them probably could, and I think it's only a gameplay thing that prevents him from having infinite wall climbing, but they don't just... jump off a wall constantly or anything, especially during battle. That'd just get them killed. And again, in most cases, a Ninja shouldn't sit around and jump in front of their enemy like a crazy man. They go for the kill and then run away, that's it. Can you seriously say you can see a situation where a man constantly jumping off a wall in front of him would really work out, or even make sense?

I don't get what your issue is.

And to your other comment, what... does that matter? You do know they have physics and explanations for everything the characters do, right? Even Mercy's crap has some scientific explanation they use for it. Can't say it's 100% logical or anything, and I'm not expecting it to be, but in Genji's case, adding in rocket shoes or at least a burst of air from his feet when he dashes would at least make his technique less... Well, I'm not sure what the right word is. Floaty? Sudden? Weird? Dumb? Something like that.

Regardless, you do need to calm down.
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#13 - ReeferTrees (08/21/2016) [-]
"Ninja's don't jump wall to wall"

WELL HOLY SHIT SOMEBODY CALL STRIDER, RYU HAYABUSA, AND EVERY OTHER NINJA TO EVER BE IN ANY VIDEO GAME OR SHOW IN ALL FUCKING ETERNITY AND TELL THEM CAUSE THERE HAS BEEN A HUGE MISCOMMUNICATION HERE
#14 - bluemagebrilly (08/21/2016) [-]
... Like I said, they don't do that during battle. Even in Strider, it was a mobility thing and he wasn't double jumping. He was jumping from wall to wall, which isn't what Genji's thing was anyways and like I said, he could probably do his wall climbing thing if it wasn't for just gameplay. In the context of Genji, he was just jumping on a wall, jumping back on the wall, and then jumping back off it then onto it again. Y'know, which Strider can't do. You just slide down if you fail the jump.

But you can't fail the jump in Overwatch, especially since he can actually climb them.

But in most actual cases of Ninja, jumping wall to wall wasn't really a thing unless they were going to escape or if the walls were super close together. Which is, again, out of the context of Genji because that's not what he was doing.
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#16 - ReeferTrees (08/21/2016) [-]
End Rant, you bore me now
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#15 - ReeferTrees (08/21/2016) [-]
I'll be completely honest here.

I am a Genji Main

Wall jumping was my main strategy... Why?

#1 he's a fucking ninja, ninja's do Ninja Shit
#2 It is excellent for, oh I don't know, getting the fuck around while avoiding getting fucking shot?
#3 HE IS FUCKING PAPER HE DOES NOT BELONG FACE TO FACE WITH ENEMIES
#4 Have you ever heard of Guerila tactics? I think you should since you seemed to hint at it in your earlier comment, talking about him swooping in to harm enemies and disappear quickly, LIKE A NINJA!?!?!?

Seriously you confuse the fuck out of me, you continually say he should play like a ninja but defend his Nerfs which MAKE HIM NOT A NINJA
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#30 - meganinja (08/21/2016) [-]
Tracer has 1/4 less hp than Genji and she needs to get close to do any damage. Saying Genji is too weak to get close isn't much of an argument.

Face it you're just mad because they removed a bug that you exploited, and now you won't be able to exploit it anymore. The power that it gave Genji was more than it should have been, combined with the fact that it was a bug in the first place, so it was removed for the sake of balance.

Imagine if Junkrat's bombs had 2x the explosion radius, but when they nerfed it back to what it was supposed to be idiots on the internet went around arguing "b-b-b-b-but he loves explosions! His explosions should be huge since he's crazy and tinkers with explosives all the time! Blizzard you're being unfair now my favorite hero is UNPLAYABLE!"
#17 - bluemagebrilly (08/21/2016) [-]
It was plainly obvious you were a Genji main. Only one of them could be that upset about it. You have to put yourself in the shoes of other players, though, especially since it's rare for a Genji to fight another Genji, so you probably have no idea what it looked like to others.

1# If that's your idea of Ninja, then you should probably rethink what combat is like for them.

2# Of course it's useful, but was it fair? You already have 3 ways of dealing with that, having the 4th way getting nerfed/removed is not that big of a deal. Adapt.

3# He's not paper in the rights hands. Time your reflect better and use your dash to escape or finish people off before they can kill you. Y'know, like intended.

4# Yes, those tactics are fine. In what way does constantly jumping off the same wall over, and over, and over again... contribute to those tactics? That would, in actual combat, get you killed. You'd go for the wall and it would either a) blow up when they notice or b) you'd get shot in the back of the head. The game doesn't really work with that, especially with non-destructible walls, so they got rid of it.

His nerfs didn't affect his ability to be a Ninja at all. They buffed his damage and nerfed two gimmicks with his mobility. Both which weren't intended to be part of his kit to begin with.
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#41 - speederzdk (08/21/2016) [-]
Buffed his damage? When?
#42 - bluemagebrilly (08/21/2016) [-]
I was told that in the update everyone is complaining about with Genji, they buffed his Shuriken so he relies on them more, but also to balance that they nerfed his sword slightly.

Also for your other comment about them buffing McCree, they nerfed him after a buff. They gave him that "Damage doesn't fall off" thing, then made it so his bullets can't shoot as far... I think? It was a little vague on that part, but he doesn't snipe people now at least.
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#43 - speederzdk (08/21/2016) [-]
You're right about the McCree thing.
But there is nothing in the patch notes about Genji getting his Shurikens or anything tweaked to compensate. It's all nerf.
#44 - bluemagebrilly (08/21/2016) [-]
Seems like you're right. Wonder where the buff talk came from then? Weird.

But still, his shuriken are pretty strong regardless. They'll probably tweak him again after the PTR goes into the real game just like they did with McCree.
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#45 - speederzdk (08/21/2016) [-]
My exact thoughts. I don't believe they will leave him in the gutter. They will probably tweak the damage of his Shurikens. Which makes even more sense now that his main form of 1v1 is getting removed.
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#9 - kameken (08/21/2016) [-]
It's just a thing Zenny says when he kills Reaper or 76
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#10 - ReeferTrees (08/21/2016) [-]
I did not know that, thank you