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#56 - The intensity of your arguing is irrelevant. You're still arguing.  [+] (1 reply) 09/11/2014 on More double standards. 0
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#57 - thirdjess (09/11/2014) [-]
Stop doing the chicken dance
#108 - Which means that your original estimation of 1% is way off, an…  [+] (1 reply) 09/11/2014 on This 0
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#109 - dongers (09/11/2014) [-]
The thing is on the same page there is the 1% of people "whose bodies differ from standard male or female" and I know that you would say that its just genital disorder but are people supposed to get a chromosome test to make sure they are male or female if they have non-binary genitals?
#53 - What's the point in lying when we both know that's not true?  [+] (3 replies) 09/11/2014 on More double standards. 0
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#55 - thirdjess (09/11/2014) [-]
Dude I'm just sitting here trying to enjoy my gummi worms, if I were arguing with you I'd be pulling up god damned scientific journal references.
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#56 - HonkIfIDriveWell (09/11/2014) [-]
The intensity of your arguing is irrelevant. You're still arguing.
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#57 - thirdjess (09/11/2014) [-]
Stop doing the chicken dance
#106 - I'm not saying genitals aren't a factor, just that they're not…  [+] (3 replies) 09/11/2014 on This 0
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#107 - dongers (09/11/2014) [-]
Then may you please refer to www.isna.org/faq/frequency that shows that 1 in 1,666 births have a child that is not XX and not XY chromosome
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#108 - HonkIfIDriveWell (09/11/2014) [-]
Which means that your original estimation of 1% is way off, and the actual 0.06% doesn't seem like a big enough number to warrant an "other" option on forms.
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#109 - dongers (09/11/2014) [-]
The thing is on the same page there is the 1% of people "whose bodies differ from standard male or female" and I know that you would say that its just genital disorder but are people supposed to get a chromosome test to make sure they are male or female if they have non-binary genitals?
#52 - Obviously I'm not sexually interested in you, but if you (or a…  [+] (8 replies) 09/11/2014 on More double standards. 0
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#54 - thirdjess (09/11/2014) [-]
See that's my point. It's not a double standard because we have entirely different attitudes about it. Historically, women are viewed as objects. Even now, when many many people claim the world doesn't need feminism, most women who are being hit on at a bar use 'I have a boyfriend' as an excuse because the dude won't take no for a fucking answer unless she is 'owned' by someone else.

When a man sends a woman a dick pic, culturally it is viewed as an aggressive move. That might not be the case for all men, but at least a lot of the ones who have to me got angry and aggressive when I didn't submit to them.

Culturally, when a woman sends a vag pic (which to be honest why would you, shit is ugly as fuck) it's not an 'I want to claim you' it's a 'you can have this if you want'.

When women send pics it's a gift, when men send pics it's a hunt. Again I'm not saying that is the case with all men and all women, definitely there are submissive men and aggressive women, but from a stereotypical cultural standard viewpoint that's where it lays.
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#67 - jeitron (09/11/2014) [-]
Hearing things like this make me think that women generalize men even more than the other way around. If a guy doesn't get the message that she's not interested and keeps trying he's either oblivious or an asshole.

The saying "I already have a boyfriend" isn't used because women are seen as "objects or possessions" it's mostly used because it is a less offended way of rejecting someone.

As a guy I hate it too but in our society men are expected to be the proactive ones when it comes to startling relationships and women usually don't because they say it makes them look "desperate" or whatever other reasons. If more women weren't afraid to hit on men as often they'd hear "I already have a girlfriend" as well.


yeah, but the thing is this isn't because of society's "patriarchal" nature it's basically human nature and if you ask me the idea of nudes is just stupid.
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#68 - thirdjess (09/11/2014) [-]
There was actually this big up-n-up in the fem community recently about ditching the use of 'I have a boyfriend', I tend to try to reject them with 'oh I don't have my phone with me' or 'I stopped using facebook' but if they don't get the message I do pull out the I have a boyfriend. And in my experience it's not that they're oblivious it's that they just won't fucking quit until they feel like they're encroaching on another dudes territory.

I've literally at one point had a lovely older woman rescue me with a 'leave the poor girl alone, she's too intelligent for you!' when some guy on a bus wouldn't leave me the fuck alone.

And I hit on guys, but I've never gotten I have a girlfriend as an excuse (particularly because I'm not an idiot and don't flirt with men who have girlfriends)
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#70 - jeitron (09/11/2014) [-]
So you have a bad experience of guys who just didn't get the message and were basically assholes but you assume that the reason why "I already have a boyfriend" is so effective is because they don't want to mess with another guy's girl? Pretty sure some douches don't care if a girl is already in a relationship but the "i have a boyfriend" just became the universal way of nicely saying it's not going to happen.

But I don't care either way since the women I've been with and my female friends are usually smarter about these situations, if a guy is nice(and not persistent like the ones you've mentioned) but they don't like him they know how to reject him nicely, if a guy is a persistent asshole they retort back to him like one instead of acting like they have a stick up their ass towards anyone with a Y-chromosome and scream "I don't want to fuck you!" to anyone within a 2 meter radius.
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#71 - thirdjess (09/11/2014) [-]
I actually did that once, got cornered on a bus to a new years eve party and he kept trying to touch up on me, I just turned to him and said 'I'm not going to sleep with you tonight, ok?' His friends laughed at him and I think that's the reason he left me alone, more than anything.
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#72 - jeitron (09/11/2014) [-]
In that case is obviously a douche, if someone is cornering you and they can see that they are clearly unconformable and not "paying hard to get" they are jsut a docuhebag, it's redundant to say but there are bad & good people of every category race, religion, ethnicity, orientation, etc but in this case where it's gender you clearly encounter some bad guys (it even worst since he had friends who were only watching instead of telling him to cut it out) .

I have a friend who've been in a few abusive relationships with women, sometimes physical abuse but most of the time it was emotional and they really screwed him up to the point where he became jaded about women for while to the point of wanted to literally away from them completely(he even felt uncomfortable around them at times), he eventually got better though and he with a nice person now..
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#73 - thirdjess (09/11/2014) [-]
That's too bad about your friend.

Even still, all this is a bit moot because it's a cultural thing not a specific story thing. There will always be an exception to every rule but, from a very young age boys are painted blue and girls are painted pink. There is a cultural, stereotypical attitude and this is a good example of it.
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#69 - thirdjess (09/11/2014) [-]
I've gotten 'I'm interested in someone else' or 'I'm not looking for a relationship right now' or a 'you're not my type, sorry' all pleanty of times, the only time I've ignored any of those was my current boyfriend, who said he wasn't looking for a relationship.
#46 - If it really was hyperbole, using it as part of your argument …  [+] (5 replies) 09/11/2014 on More double standards. 0
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#47 - thirdjess (09/11/2014) [-]
Haven't I already told you I'm not arguing?
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#53 - HonkIfIDriveWell (09/11/2014) [-]
What's the point in lying when we both know that's not true?
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#55 - thirdjess (09/11/2014) [-]
Dude I'm just sitting here trying to enjoy my gummi worms, if I were arguing with you I'd be pulling up god damned scientific journal references.
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#56 - HonkIfIDriveWell (09/11/2014) [-]
The intensity of your arguing is irrelevant. You're still arguing.
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#57 - thirdjess (09/11/2014) [-]
Stop doing the chicken dance
#44 - "Why are the mens brags verifiable and the womens complai…  [+] (10 replies) 09/11/2014 on More double standards. 0
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#45 - thirdjess (09/11/2014) [-]
You never told me which definition of pervert you're going by, by the way. Assuming you're going by the 'outwardly appreciates the human form' definition, I would say that for me to be a pervert in this scenario I'd have to be either sexually interested in you or attempting to get you sexually interesting in me. And if that's not the case with every single one of the dick pics I've ever received, then that's weird as fuck.
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#52 - HonkIfIDriveWell (09/11/2014) [-]
Obviously I'm not sexually interested in you, but if you (or any woman) were to send me a vag pic, I wouldn't make out like I'd been wronged in some way, nor would most straight males. However, you seem to be claiming that you have been wronged because guys send you dick pics you didn't ask for. If that is true, and you are a victim, isn't that a double standard?
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#54 - thirdjess (09/11/2014) [-]
See that's my point. It's not a double standard because we have entirely different attitudes about it. Historically, women are viewed as objects. Even now, when many many people claim the world doesn't need feminism, most women who are being hit on at a bar use 'I have a boyfriend' as an excuse because the dude won't take no for a fucking answer unless she is 'owned' by someone else.

When a man sends a woman a dick pic, culturally it is viewed as an aggressive move. That might not be the case for all men, but at least a lot of the ones who have to me got angry and aggressive when I didn't submit to them.

Culturally, when a woman sends a vag pic (which to be honest why would you, shit is ugly as fuck) it's not an 'I want to claim you' it's a 'you can have this if you want'.

When women send pics it's a gift, when men send pics it's a hunt. Again I'm not saying that is the case with all men and all women, definitely there are submissive men and aggressive women, but from a stereotypical cultural standard viewpoint that's where it lays.
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#67 - jeitron (09/11/2014) [-]
Hearing things like this make me think that women generalize men even more than the other way around. If a guy doesn't get the message that she's not interested and keeps trying he's either oblivious or an asshole.

The saying "I already have a boyfriend" isn't used because women are seen as "objects or possessions" it's mostly used because it is a less offended way of rejecting someone.

As a guy I hate it too but in our society men are expected to be the proactive ones when it comes to startling relationships and women usually don't because they say it makes them look "desperate" or whatever other reasons. If more women weren't afraid to hit on men as often they'd hear "I already have a girlfriend" as well.


yeah, but the thing is this isn't because of society's "patriarchal" nature it's basically human nature and if you ask me the idea of nudes is just stupid.
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#68 - thirdjess (09/11/2014) [-]
There was actually this big up-n-up in the fem community recently about ditching the use of 'I have a boyfriend', I tend to try to reject them with 'oh I don't have my phone with me' or 'I stopped using facebook' but if they don't get the message I do pull out the I have a boyfriend. And in my experience it's not that they're oblivious it's that they just won't fucking quit until they feel like they're encroaching on another dudes territory.

I've literally at one point had a lovely older woman rescue me with a 'leave the poor girl alone, she's too intelligent for you!' when some guy on a bus wouldn't leave me the fuck alone.

And I hit on guys, but I've never gotten I have a girlfriend as an excuse (particularly because I'm not an idiot and don't flirt with men who have girlfriends)
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#70 - jeitron (09/11/2014) [-]
So you have a bad experience of guys who just didn't get the message and were basically assholes but you assume that the reason why "I already have a boyfriend" is so effective is because they don't want to mess with another guy's girl? Pretty sure some douches don't care if a girl is already in a relationship but the "i have a boyfriend" just became the universal way of nicely saying it's not going to happen.

But I don't care either way since the women I've been with and my female friends are usually smarter about these situations, if a guy is nice(and not persistent like the ones you've mentioned) but they don't like him they know how to reject him nicely, if a guy is a persistent asshole they retort back to him like one instead of acting like they have a stick up their ass towards anyone with a Y-chromosome and scream "I don't want to fuck you!" to anyone within a 2 meter radius.
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#71 - thirdjess (09/11/2014) [-]
I actually did that once, got cornered on a bus to a new years eve party and he kept trying to touch up on me, I just turned to him and said 'I'm not going to sleep with you tonight, ok?' His friends laughed at him and I think that's the reason he left me alone, more than anything.
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#72 - jeitron (09/11/2014) [-]
In that case is obviously a douche, if someone is cornering you and they can see that they are clearly unconformable and not "paying hard to get" they are jsut a docuhebag, it's redundant to say but there are bad & good people of every category race, religion, ethnicity, orientation, etc but in this case where it's gender you clearly encounter some bad guys (it even worst since he had friends who were only watching instead of telling him to cut it out) .

I have a friend who've been in a few abusive relationships with women, sometimes physical abuse but most of the time it was emotional and they really screwed him up to the point where he became jaded about women for while to the point of wanted to literally away from them completely(he even felt uncomfortable around them at times), he eventually got better though and he with a nice person now..
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#73 - thirdjess (09/11/2014) [-]
That's too bad about your friend.

Even still, all this is a bit moot because it's a cultural thing not a specific story thing. There will always be an exception to every rule but, from a very young age boys are painted blue and girls are painted pink. There is a cultural, stereotypical attitude and this is a good example of it.
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#69 - thirdjess (09/11/2014) [-]
I've gotten 'I'm interested in someone else' or 'I'm not looking for a relationship right now' or a 'you're not my type, sorry' all pleanty of times, the only time I've ignored any of those was my current boyfriend, who said he wasn't looking for a relationship.
#37 - "How often do you see men complaining (or bragging) about…  [+] (12 replies) 09/11/2014 on More double standards. 0
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#40 - thirdjess (09/11/2014) [-]
Why are the mens brags verifiable and the womens complaints unverifiable? I'm not trying to argue I'm just saying it's not a double standard because each genders behavior on the matter is vastly different. And if you want proof, I'll tell you what. Next time I get sent a dickpic, I'll forward it to you.
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#44 - HonkIfIDriveWell (09/11/2014) [-]
"Why are the mens brags verifiable and the womens complaints unverifiable?"

Because men will usually show the pics as part of the bragging.

"Next time I get sent a dickpic, I'll forward it to you."

You're offering to send me a dick pic? Pervert.
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#45 - thirdjess (09/11/2014) [-]
You never told me which definition of pervert you're going by, by the way. Assuming you're going by the 'outwardly appreciates the human form' definition, I would say that for me to be a pervert in this scenario I'd have to be either sexually interested in you or attempting to get you sexually interesting in me. And if that's not the case with every single one of the dick pics I've ever received, then that's weird as fuck.
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#52 - HonkIfIDriveWell (09/11/2014) [-]
Obviously I'm not sexually interested in you, but if you (or any woman) were to send me a vag pic, I wouldn't make out like I'd been wronged in some way, nor would most straight males. However, you seem to be claiming that you have been wronged because guys send you dick pics you didn't ask for. If that is true, and you are a victim, isn't that a double standard?
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#54 - thirdjess (09/11/2014) [-]
See that's my point. It's not a double standard because we have entirely different attitudes about it. Historically, women are viewed as objects. Even now, when many many people claim the world doesn't need feminism, most women who are being hit on at a bar use 'I have a boyfriend' as an excuse because the dude won't take no for a fucking answer unless she is 'owned' by someone else.

When a man sends a woman a dick pic, culturally it is viewed as an aggressive move. That might not be the case for all men, but at least a lot of the ones who have to me got angry and aggressive when I didn't submit to them.

Culturally, when a woman sends a vag pic (which to be honest why would you, shit is ugly as fuck) it's not an 'I want to claim you' it's a 'you can have this if you want'.

When women send pics it's a gift, when men send pics it's a hunt. Again I'm not saying that is the case with all men and all women, definitely there are submissive men and aggressive women, but from a stereotypical cultural standard viewpoint that's where it lays.
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#67 - jeitron (09/11/2014) [-]
Hearing things like this make me think that women generalize men even more than the other way around. If a guy doesn't get the message that she's not interested and keeps trying he's either oblivious or an asshole.

The saying "I already have a boyfriend" isn't used because women are seen as "objects or possessions" it's mostly used because it is a less offended way of rejecting someone.

As a guy I hate it too but in our society men are expected to be the proactive ones when it comes to startling relationships and women usually don't because they say it makes them look "desperate" or whatever other reasons. If more women weren't afraid to hit on men as often they'd hear "I already have a girlfriend" as well.


yeah, but the thing is this isn't because of society's "patriarchal" nature it's basically human nature and if you ask me the idea of nudes is just stupid.
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#68 - thirdjess (09/11/2014) [-]
There was actually this big up-n-up in the fem community recently about ditching the use of 'I have a boyfriend', I tend to try to reject them with 'oh I don't have my phone with me' or 'I stopped using facebook' but if they don't get the message I do pull out the I have a boyfriend. And in my experience it's not that they're oblivious it's that they just won't fucking quit until they feel like they're encroaching on another dudes territory.

I've literally at one point had a lovely older woman rescue me with a 'leave the poor girl alone, she's too intelligent for you!' when some guy on a bus wouldn't leave me the fuck alone.

And I hit on guys, but I've never gotten I have a girlfriend as an excuse (particularly because I'm not an idiot and don't flirt with men who have girlfriends)
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#70 - jeitron (09/11/2014) [-]
So you have a bad experience of guys who just didn't get the message and were basically assholes but you assume that the reason why "I already have a boyfriend" is so effective is because they don't want to mess with another guy's girl? Pretty sure some douches don't care if a girl is already in a relationship but the "i have a boyfriend" just became the universal way of nicely saying it's not going to happen.

But I don't care either way since the women I've been with and my female friends are usually smarter about these situations, if a guy is nice(and not persistent like the ones you've mentioned) but they don't like him they know how to reject him nicely, if a guy is a persistent asshole they retort back to him like one instead of acting like they have a stick up their ass towards anyone with a Y-chromosome and scream "I don't want to fuck you!" to anyone within a 2 meter radius.
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#71 - thirdjess (09/11/2014) [-]
I actually did that once, got cornered on a bus to a new years eve party and he kept trying to touch up on me, I just turned to him and said 'I'm not going to sleep with you tonight, ok?' His friends laughed at him and I think that's the reason he left me alone, more than anything.
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#72 - jeitron (09/11/2014) [-]
In that case is obviously a douche, if someone is cornering you and they can see that they are clearly unconformable and not "paying hard to get" they are jsut a docuhebag, it's redundant to say but there are bad & good people of every category race, religion, ethnicity, orientation, etc but in this case where it's gender you clearly encounter some bad guys (it even worst since he had friends who were only watching instead of telling him to cut it out) .

I have a friend who've been in a few abusive relationships with women, sometimes physical abuse but most of the time it was emotional and they really screwed him up to the point where he became jaded about women for while to the point of wanted to literally away from them completely(he even felt uncomfortable around them at times), he eventually got better though and he with a nice person now..
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#73 - thirdjess (09/11/2014) [-]
That's too bad about your friend.

Even still, all this is a bit moot because it's a cultural thing not a specific story thing. There will always be an exception to every rule but, from a very young age boys are painted blue and girls are painted pink. There is a cultural, stereotypical attitude and this is a good example of it.
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#69 - thirdjess (09/11/2014) [-]
I've gotten 'I'm interested in someone else' or 'I'm not looking for a relationship right now' or a 'you're not my type, sorry' all pleanty of times, the only time I've ignored any of those was my current boyfriend, who said he wasn't looking for a relationship.
#32 - "of the women I know probably more of them are what the a…  [+] (2 replies) 09/11/2014 on More double standards. 0
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#33 - thirdjess (09/11/2014) [-]
Not at all, also which definition of pervert are you using here?
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#38 - HonkIfIDriveWell (09/11/2014) [-]
I was mocking your poor choice of words.