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#8 - catburglarpenis (05/26/2016) [-]
I saved her life, trust me. Firstly, in the real world adaptation is required. You adapt or you die. Human condition and all that.
Secondly, I had to change everything about myself to enter the military. The reason I'm with my wife is that she was the first woman to actually realize that romance novels aren't real. If I have to change, she does too. We have adapted to our dual military relationship many a time and she doesn't expect me to "be the man she married" etc. she loves me no matter what and I reciprocate that feeling, that's that whole "in sickness or in health" piece that everyone ignores in their vows
And finally here's the official rub: my first fiancé and I were tryna have a kid and I was tryna get a job to support a family, so I joined the military and changed every aspect of myself to suit the job over the next 9 months of processing and DEP prior to boot camp. In the meantime, she had treated me like shot and gotten away with it for 4 solid years at that point due to my low self esteem and my friends and family literally had to do 2 full on interventions to get her to stop.
So the only things I required from her was this:
1. Learn how to cook. Yeah I hear the screams of sexism now but the problem was she was sick all the goddamn time because her family exclusively ate fast food. If she didn't learn how to cook herself a meal both me and any kids I had with her would be sick as a dog all the time too. (foreshadowing: later on I watched 3 wives get sent home for reasons similar to this including one guy that had his kids and pets taken away from him because he married a lazy bitch. The other two were both sickly and health hazards who couldn't cope without their parents cooking them a meal constantly, and this was just at my FIRST duty station)
2. Learn Judo. I was going to Judo and it's the basis of most self defense classes because of the way it's designed. Leverage point on women are low, so the ones in class had absolutely devastating throws. I was going to judo and all she had to do was come with me and participate, but she did neither. She was a curious creature and often explored areas alone but that only worked in rich areas that she's from, she needed to be able to defend herself
(foreshadowing: this literally saved her life. She was a tiny, sometimes gaunt blonde woman and my first duty station was South Korea, an unavoidable location due to our potential wedding date being set between "A" School MOS job training and the first duty station. At the time, Koreans were shy- particularly in the backwoods area of that base, and they thought all blondes were Russian and all Russians were hookers.
Stories abounded of female ESL teachers getting raped in a back alley and left with 7 dollars hastily thrown at them before the attacker (a Korean who wanted to hire her services but hadn't a clue how to ask) ran away. And yes, one of these ESL teachers had a stroller with a baby in it before she was attacked. It rolled into traffic during her rape. She later killed herself. In one foreshadowed action, I would have prevented the rape and death of her and my child, but yeah love is blind etc.)
3. I wanted her to trust me. She used to call the place I was going to in order to make sure I actually went there like I said I would. This paranoia was unwarranted. I never did anything to betray her trust, she was just fucking nuts like that.
(Foreshadowing: spouses who did shit like this or abused ombudsman privileges still cost men and women's careers every day. If you can't get a handle on your spouse then they'll send you home and tell you to rejoin when you have your shit together. Our baby would have starved while she thinks I'm fucking the lady at the grocery store checkout counter.)
She refused to do all these things so I broke off my engagement her a month before boot camp. Even afterwards she never did these things in her attempts to win me back. She would have fucking died and so would my kid.
#13 - hornyfurry (05/26/2016) [-]
**hornyfurry used "*roll picture*"**
**hornyfurry rolled image**The cooking one seems reasonable but the other ones just seem stupid, i trusted my ex but i still got paranoid and didn't really like when he hung out with other guys and i don't know why, i can't control it.
#16 - catburglarpenis (05/26/2016) [-]
There's a difference between paranoia and calling the place you said you'd be to make sure you're actually there, demanding my passwords and information for all my social media accounts etc. especially when that kind of behavior separates people from the military all the time, sometimes even costing lives. If she and my possible children are dependent on the job and does those types of actions we'll be out on our ass in no time. Telling someone "hey don't cost me my job please" really isn't that much to ask.
And I was already going to a Judo class 3 times a week that already had girls in it. Coming with me and participating isn't too much to ask. "Learn to defend yourself, we're going to be in other countries and I can't be there to defend you all the time". I'm pretty sure "come to Judo with me" is a reasonable request.
#12 - anon (05/26/2016) [-]
#17 - anon (05/26/2016) [-]
But she never was raped or murdered?
#18 - catburglarpenis (05/26/2016) [-]
People fitting her description doing the actions she often did in the areas she'd be forced to roam were raped on the reg and one was indeed murdered. Given the fact that my only request was "come to judo with me and participate" (some of her friends were already in the same class and half the time she just watched me and waited for class to be over) I really don't think this is a crazy request to go from sitting to standing and participating in the class.
She never stepped foot in South Korea. If we would have been married she would have been sent there with me. I broke off the engagement beforehand because she wouldn't learn how to cook (a skill I was willing to teach her), participate in judo with me (the only thing lost is calories and she didn't need to lose any weight), and stop calling the place I'm supposed to be when I tell you I'm going to be there because I never betrayed her in any way and that kind of behavior would cost me the job, affecting her AND any potential kids.
#23 - catburglarpenis (05/26/2016) [-]
Learning to defend oneself, put nutritious food in your mouth when you're trying to get pregnant, and not act like a crazy paranoid person is not too much to ask. We had been together for 4 goddamn years and these 3 things were all I requested from her and she had over a year to do it.
If this was the other way around you guys would be furious.
"Hi I'm heather my fiancé is going to the military lol man he works so hard and we're trying to have a kid (I wanna be a mom so bad!) he works out a lot and has gotten way bigger and stronger so I think he's ready but he's been trying to get me to change too?
So he takes me to his judo classes and some of my girlfriends are in there but I'd just rather watch you know? I mean I'm pretty sure he can beat up whoever tries to do something to me lol but he keeps trying to teach me to cook (god I love his cooking!) but I'd rather him just make me all my food!
He's the biggest guy I know and I get worried people are tryna steal him so when he goes out I call the place he says he's gonna be to make sure he's actually there because no one is gettin my man lol! He's tryna get me to stop that too! But whatever he gave me a full year to do it so I guess I'll just wait a while then pretend to do it right before he goes to boot camp. He's never asked me to do stuff like this before so I don't know what his problem is but whatever you know?"
Yeah, this isn't a "slippery slope". This is common fucking sense. Feed yourself like a regular human being, learn how to defend yourself if you're going to try and have kids, and why don't you treat your partner like a human being when he's never done anything wrong?
#25 - anon (05/26/2016) [-]
>>Learn how to defend yourself if you're going to try and have kids.
Oh wow, I didn't know it was a requirement to know martial arts to have kids.
#28 - anon (05/26/2016) [-]
#29 - catburglarpenis (05/26/2016) [-]
I was going in the military and she was going to be my dependent. Several military women and women with previous martial arts experience successfully fended off-base attackers while I was there because not even the cops had guns while I was in South Korea. If you put up enough of a fight the rapists left you alone out there, the men weighed an average of 102 pounds dawg.
So stop sucking your own civilian super smart not-having-a-screen name dick and see the reality of this shit, she was in direct danger and all she had to do was stop watching me and her friends do judo and get her ass up and participate.
#30 - anon (05/26/2016) [-]
You can't force people to do things they don't want to. If you're not happy with something your SO is/isn't doing, talk things out don't just hand them a list of things . It's up to them to change if they want to. If they don't want to change, suck it up or leave them. But don't claim that you saved their life by leaving them, when you have no certainty of what would have happened.
How hard is it for you to understand?
#31 - catburglarpenis (05/26/2016) [-]
Is did leave them. I did talk it out with them. I did explain my reasoning. Hell, I even had her talk to people who had been through such disasters, often leaving her with the warning "your husband is right. You need to take action on this".
There's a massive divide between the physical and the philosophical. There's also a massive divide between the statistical and the philosophical. If you have an 80% chance of something bad happening if you go in an area, it's plainly prudent not to do so particularly if you have access to that information. This is a problem of perspective at its core- time and again people tell stories of "my sergeant told me to wear a helmet even though I thought it was stupid until I got shot in the head- he saved my life", "my husband told me to get the break lines fixed and I didn't and they failed when my mother drove the car. She's dead now, I could have saved her life." Or even "my big brother told me not to go to the hockey game tonight because fights always break out, and sure enough my friend died in a scuffle that night. My big bro saved my life."
All these stories are plain to see and would be agreed with, but from the sergeant, the husband, or the big brother's perspective you argue the philosophical and ignore both the statistical and the real. All the actions you've suggested to be performed were indeed performed. But to claim that you can't make someone do what they don't want to do is to ignore all history and even personal experience. You've eaten broccoli when you didn't want to, you've gone to class when you didn't want to, and you've paid bills when you didn't want to. It's just patently not true.
And if you were forced to do the same you'd be typing out that green text filled to the brim with green thumbs
> hubby takes me to judo class telling me it's going to prevent rape
> whatever.jog, do it anyways for hubby cuz I love him
> later we're in South Korea and I'm on the phone with my friend tryna take a shortcut after some dinner, cut in between the dentist's office and the Home Plus
> suddenly get grabbed from behind, one arm over my shoulder
> think it's hubby or one of his friends playing around tryna scare me, hit him with an older the should through and he cracks his head on the pavement
> look down and I've never seen this man in my life
> book it back to base screaming and crying on the phone
> later find out that blondes get raped all the time in South Korea
> dye my hair that night
> hubby saved my life
Literally I can tell a million versions of that story without you attacking me and instead congratulating my ex fiancé and other people sharing similar tales but because it's the other way around you deny and ignore both the statistical and the real in favor of the philosophical, and the strangest thing is that these are not even big requests. Literally it's the difference between watching me cook and helping me cook, and watching me do judo vs participating in the class. Next you'll be defending my demand that my significant others breathe on their own and try not to drown in the rain.
Now 10 years later my current wife and I are both in the military and we have to make small demands to each other. I have to tone down my humor for her easily offended friends and I have to remind her not to use the first names of my friends since they're mostly officers and she's still Enlisted. These aren't huge changes- marriage is about compromise. And no, I don't want to tone down my humor but I do it anyway because I love my wife. 99+% of the time we're perfectly happy with each other. And that's real.
#32 - anon (05/26/2016) [-]
> hubby wants me to take judo class telling me it's going to prevent rape
> don't take judo class
> hubby leaves me
> hubby saved my life
You see how ridiculous this sounds?
That's what you are trying to justify.
#33 - catburglarpenis (05/26/2016) [-]
You're still avoiding both the statistical and the real. The highest statistical likelihood of self defense success with women involved moves originating in Judo. The only action she had to perform was going from watching to participating. The people who fell victim to the rapes and murders in the area at the time were largely concentrated in the exact area where we would have been stationed and happened exclusively to women fitting her description. Those surviving said attacks more often than not who were able to prevent it used moved originating or at least refined from Judo as a martial art. All versions of this viewed from a negative angle involve a certain perspective, viewpoint and assumption that something with a very high likelihood would never occur. It's like this:
> dad tells me to wear seatbelt because it increases chance of survival in car crash
> seat belt is uncomfortable, forced to wear it anyway
> never get in a car crash, permanently uncomfortable in cars
> fuck you dad
Do you see how ridiculous this sounds? Stop wearing helmets, it's uncomfortable. Stop wearing seat belts. Stop working out, you get all sweaty and gross. Don't eat vegetables they don't taste as good as cake. I mean holy fuck dude I didn't ask her to cure cancer I asked her to get off her ass.
#34 - anon (05/26/2016) [-]
You are still refuting the fact that you claim that you saved her life by dumbing her.
You have no certainty that she was going to be raped unless you planned to do it yourself and furthermore you have no certainty that even if she had learned some judo, she would have been able to fend off herself.
#43 - catburglarpenis (05/26/2016) [-]
Then don't move the goalposts. To recap (insofar as I'm able to identify one anon from another): you had a problem with my broken engagement that was due to a safety issue. Then you declared that one cannot make another do as one does not please. Then you shifted, stating that I should have broken my engagement. Finally, you settled on having a problem specifically with my vernacular, all while continually losing your hold on your "slippery slope" defense. Finally, you've settled on the vernacular claim simply because I'm claiming to have saved someone who had a high statistical likelihood of suffering an undesirable effect through prevention, because in your mind an ounce of prevention is not at all worth a pound of cure. Do I have this all right? Did I miss anything?
#44 - ratamutu (05/26/2016) [-]
I have only stated that you can't claim to have saved her, though I admit after reading my earlier responses I did divert a little on one of them.
My point is that you broke your engagement for safety reasons and because you wanted her to change, which she didn't, but you didn't save her.
It's just a matter of semantics.
#45 - catburglarpenis (05/26/2016) [-]
Yeah I can't tell one anon from another. In he medical world, the doctors defer to the personal trainers and the nutritionists, and the personal trainers and nutritionists defer to the doctors. Both make the claim that the other is the true hero. When it comes down to it, you can prevent orders of magnitude more than you can cure, so I usually defer to the personal trainers and nutritionists. I'm a bit biased though, as I was both at one point in time, but I've never been a doctor.
Norman Borlaug is credited with saving billions of lives for inventing GMOs that could be grown in much more diverse climates, preventing loss of life in literally billions of people who would have starved. By "prevention =/= cure" logic, he didn't save shit. But again, this is also a perspective problem. If he was here stating that he's saved a lot of lives, there'd be people here to argue. Speaking of him from the third person changes the conversation. "I killed a suicide bomber. If his best went off where he was standing 140 people would have died. I saved 140 lives."
"No you didn't, you killed one guy."
Semantics and perspective are dangerously close.
#35 - catburglarpenis (05/26/2016) [-]
You forced your friend/sibling/girlfriend/child to wear a seatbelt when they entered your car. You're still refuting the fact hat you had no evidence that you were going to get into a car crash or get pulled over by a cop (unless you planned on doing that on purpose) and furthermore you had no certainty that the seatbelt would have even saved your passenger in the event of a serious crash, just massive statistical likelihood that these things would occur in this order. I mean, they were already in the car and it's not too much to ask, but this still makes you a huge dick.
#47 - anon (05/26/2016) [-]
Comment #41 That's not the same thing at all, if you avoided the car crash you probably have saved someones life but by your logic if I refused to give someone a ride in my car I could say I saved their life because we MAY have crashed. Fuck me, I've saved so many lives they should call me Jesus. That's fucking stupid and so are you, think before you write your bullshit comments
#50 - catburglarpenis (05/26/2016) [-]
Unfortunately anon that's not the way statistical likelihood works. Again, there was a high statistical likelihood that his exact undesirable action would happen.
> area where it happens
> fits he description of usual targets
> fits the behavior of usual targets
> preventative measures fits the exact countermeasures used by those avoiding undesirable effects
The original argument way back when was the definition of measures taken and whether they were manipulative or simply life saving. I've made a pretty good case that they were life saving. Should I have gone all the way and said that the break off of our engagement saved her life considering she refused to take preventative measures? Semantics. But again by your logic stating that Norman Borlaug saved billions of lives by preventing starvation is also bullshit. If you're going to use internal logic, at least make it consistent.
#42 - anon (05/26/2016) [-]
Seems like we reached comment limit.
Anyways, you can't claim that you saved someone, when in fact nothing happened. You can however claim that you avoided the danger of something happening.
And don't start using ad hominem arguments.
#36 - anon (05/26/2016) [-]
But I'm still not claiming I saved the passengers life by forcing him to use the seatbelt even though nothing happened.
#41 - catburglarpenis (05/26/2016) [-]
"I went on a drive and my passenger wouldn't put in their seatbelt so I left them there. I barely managed to avoid a 14 car pileup, killing all involved passengers who were not wearing their seat belts. I saved my passenger's life that day."
Anon: "NUH UH NO YOU DIDNT GET OFF YOUR HIGH HORSE FAG UR STUPID"
#40 - catburglarpenis (05/26/2016) [-]
Oh so you have a problem only with the specific words I used? Alright, I killed her. I mean, she's alive, but I killed her by trying to make her eat her vegetables. No wait sorry, I turned her into a vampire. No wait, a werewolf. That's tight, I gave her lycanthropy. I tuned her into a unicorn. I made sure her wagon never got to the Oregon Trail.
She had an incredibly high statistical chance of suffering a certain issue so I took measures hat gave her a very high statistical chance of preventing that issue. Boo, this makes me a bad man. Boo me, boo. Plus I used specific words too, I might as well be fucking Hitler. Next time my boss says "make sure the safety's off before you shoot, it might save your life" I'm going to tell him "never happened before faggot fuck you dick don't tell me what to do"
#39 - anon (05/26/2016) [-]
Or in this case by leaving them on the sidewalk while I went on a drive and nothing happened.
#11 - anon (05/26/2016) [-]
You really like the word foreshadow.
#10 - anon (05/26/2016) [-]
You can justify your crazy controlling ideas to yourself but don't expect people to believe that you saved her and your (non-existing) kids life by breaking off the engagement, that's just straight up delusional. Thinking that you "literally saved her life" by giving her a list of things that you didn't like about her just shows how unable you are to grasp reality, so this tells me that you will never understand the point that I'm trying to make here but I had to try anyway
#14 - catburglarpenis (05/26/2016) [-]
> Please come to judo classes with me and learn to defend yourself I'm worried about your safety
> please learn how to cook for your sake and for our kid's (we were trying for a child)
> please learn to trust me I've done nothing to deserve your ire
Yup these sure are a list of things I didn't like about her. At my first duty station I was taught not to micromanage and they taught me their version of military martial arts. You know what? Those assholes would even make me eat healthy food too! What a bunch of pricks! Those 3 things were literally everything about myself!
#19 - anon (05/26/2016) [-]
You did those things because you wanted to, not because someone tried to force you to so that's a pretty big difference. Also "please" means nothing if you're giving someone an ultimatum lol
#21 - catburglarpenis (05/26/2016) [-]
I went to Judo classes so I could defend my family? I never wanted to go to those classes, I just wanted to be strong for my family and researched the best martial art I could take in my area.
And cooking? Again I was doing that for my family. I learned how to cook when my wife-to-be got sick because she refused to eat anything but fast food. I nursed her back to health with soup and when I wasn't working full time I would pack her lunch and everything. It got to the point where her friends would beg for a bite because I cooked some good ass food. 10 years later this was one of the reasons my wife gave me a second, and third, and fourth, and fifth etc. date- she liked my cooking.
And how does one not do actions fueled by paranoia because one wants to? Her friends were total bitches who would swear to god that she was cheating on me (we were having sex 9 times a day and often had to use lube because we would get sore, so if she had the energy after that more power to her). I have her some personal space, she never gave me the same courtesy.
Again, where the rubber meets the road there was actual danger the she would have been directly subjected to. That very danger and deadline cause me to take action, but she refused any action. I didn't ask her to work out with me for 3 hours a day, or even at all. I didn't ask her to memorize books of material like I did. I didn't even ask her to go to work like I did. All the adaptation was on my part. I could not be there to protect her all the time and her lack of action would have resulted in at least one rape and a very likely murder.
#22 - anon (05/26/2016) [-]
Hahaha like I said before, I knew you would never understand my point if you couldn't even see these things from your fiances point of view so I'm gonna stop arguing with a delusional martial artist / chef / sex fiend and quote the guy above me "I'll just leave this here.
#26 - catburglarpenis (05/26/2016) [-]
She literally said (also she was the nympho, not me) "I thought I had one more month!" When I broke it off with her. She tried to win me back for years but refused to make those same 3 changes.
She has a husband and kids now. He has to work a full time job, come home and cook all the meals, and be with them every time they leave the house because she's lazy and can't protect her kids.
#56 - catburglarpenis (05/26/2016) [-]
I already knew how to cook and spouses in the military worldwide are told to learn how to defend themselves and given free classes to do so. I can't cook for her constantly that why I tried to teach her how to cook. Forcing one person in a two person relationship to do all the cooking, cleaning, working and defending is overbearing not and controlling. You have no sense of shared responsibility.
Look at the rest of this thread. Your point has already been argued against.
#59 - catburglarpenis (05/26/2016) [-]
She already refused to clean, and again, look elsewhere in the thread. She was in danger of rape, happening to a high percentage of people fitting her description in the area we were stationed. One of those tapes resulted in a murder while I was there, and one resulted in the death of a child and the suicide of the mother later on. Those who prevented the rapes etc used self defense techniques derived from Judo most often, either throwing the attacker and running away or employing a chokehold. We had access to all these crime statistics because I was military police. So yes- 100% of my suggestions (of which again, there were only 3) would have resulted in the survival of her, my job, any children we were planning on having, etc.
Read the rest of the thread.
#61 - catburglarpenis (05/26/2016) [-]
You know Iraq is one of the cheapest places in the world to live right? Yeah you have a high statistical chance of getting murdered there, and those doing the murdering usually target people who probably fit your description but hey, you might not be murdered! At this point you're spending unnecessary amounts of money to live and exist where you are, and it would be far cheaper to live with your same benefits (Internet and all!) there instead. Not a word of a lie- that's definitive. That I can prove.
So why don't you live down there? I mean, you probably don't even know anyone that got murdered after they moved there, you're just being paranoid! Living here isn't saving your life! You see how silly this mindset is?
And again as I said above- saying prevention =/= life saving is the same as saying "Norman Borlaug didn't save anyone's life (credited as saving billions from starvation)." By your logic you would also say "those saved by Norman Borlaug's food innovation that would have otherwise died... It would have been their fault. He didn't save anyone." You see how silly that is? If you read the rest of the thread, you either didn't comprehend it, or you don't know how to make cogent arguments because your logic isn't consistent at all.
#62 - thegamepixel (05/26/2016) [-]
You said you were in South Korea during the rape and murder and I don't live there because I was born in America. At any rate, its her choice to learn martial arts. You can't just force people to do what you want because you think its best for them. Maybe I want you to have a lower chance of dying and say to leave the military. That doesn't mean that you should have to.
#63 - catburglarpenis (05/26/2016) [-]
I was born in America as well. South Korea was my first duty station. See, things are a bit different- once you become a parent, literally thousands of people can force you to do whatever they want or they will take away your child. Often people beg for that process to begin before the child is born. Here I am enacting such a thing and I get lampooned. But I digress- >>#21 and >>#31 especially.
Can't force someone to learn martial arts? Yes you can. You can force anyone to do anything if they want something. Telling someone "wanna have a kid? Then do this and we'll have kids" is not that different from saying "want a paycheck? Then do this and here's money."
That's the argument here: I'm an asshole for having requirements that must be met before I'll allow you to have kids with me. You might as well say that your boss is an asshole for having requirements to get a promotion. It reminds me of that Tumblr post that says you are reverse-raping fat chicks if you don't fuck them. I'm supposed to keep fucking her no matter what and just suck it up. If she gets raped and the kid dies in the process (which again happened while I was there) or if both of them dies then I'm supposed to just suck it up.
1. Read the thread and 2. Your logic is inconsistent at best.
#72 - catburglarpenis (06/02/2016) [-]
Then define it. The chance that I'm a crazy person who cannot understand simple logic is small at my comment level. I could understand if you refused to argue with a crazy person, but if I'm misconstruing something, then fully define it and we'll continue to discuss. You can do as you like but unless you're simply exhausted in this argument then you don't have a real reason to not continue. As with the other person in this thread, we can eventually reach an agreed upon point.
#69 - thegamepixel (05/31/2016) [-]
"All in all, you're still basically implying the Tumblr reverse-rape argument"
No, all-in-all, I'm saying that you need to understand that just because seh can see you doing judo doesn't mean that she wants to. You should let her make her own decisions rather then telling her what to do. You're basically doing the whole "women belong in the kitchen argument" because she should be whatever you want her to be, rather than herself.
Iraq is different from Korea. I'd be much more paranoid there because there are worse conditions, that's an unequal comparison.
I've been away for a few days, but this is the last thing I'm gonna say on it, you're too thickheaded for the idea of demanding something from people to be anything less than completely reasonable, so I'm going to stop responding. I'll read your following message if you post one, but I won't respond.
#70 - catburglarpenis (05/31/2016) [-]
There's a bit of equality that goes around when you get into a married relationship. Sometimes people meet in a bar when they're both on drugs or some shit, and later on they begin trying to have a kid or getting married or even meeting each other's parents or going to a funeral. In those times one may require a change in behavior of the other, sometimes temporary but sometimes not.
But this isn't behavior change at all. This is the learning of skills that comes from sitting or standing. She would watch me cook her food, but not help me cook in order to learn. She would watch me do Judo, but not get up and participate. She's spending the same amount of time, she is just burning less calories than me. That's it.
I didn't want to learn Judo or cooking skills but I did anyway because I knew that was right for my family, so I can be better and stronger to protect them. The reason I'm married to my wife today is that I finally found a woman who was able to realize that unlike her romantic movies, the woman has to change too. Both people have to change for the child.
That's the thing- I've literally witnessed children get taken away from their parents because of lack of nutrition, or get sent home along with a termination of the servicemember's contract ending the marriage once the woman returned to her toxic family. I've seen children in that family be put up for adoption, only to later follow the adoption model and end up as criminals, some even criminally insane.
Often those who join the military do it as a last resort and being back home is a death sentence to their future. I've watched spouses neglect their kids, end their servicemember's career, wind up getting the kid taken away, and the kid ends up being a real criminal, and killing another kid. At the very least, they become a burden on society. You are on that side of the argument. You are arguing to allow this, simply because you don't think my ex should have had the same responsibilities I had only and specifically relating to a goddamn martial arts class and learning how to put healthy food in her fucking face.
Listen, I've dated plenty of women who said "our love is strong but my love for my kids is stronger. You hurt my kids, we're through." To me, that's reasonable and understandable. To you, that's fucking heresy- they should let me beat their kids and continue giving it up for me anyways because fuck it
Switch the sex and I'm saying the same thing. Run a million scenarios here. How about this one: "Alright honey we can move in together but only if you stop smoking because it bothers my asthma." Nope, they gotta let them be and move in anyway, fuck them.
"Yes we require a background check before you marry our daughter, this is how arranged marriage works in my country." Nope fuck them let me marry her anyhow
"Honey my new job is in Albanistad and hey require women to wear hijab a there are you sure you want to go? Ok if you're sure you want to go then you will have to learn a little Pakistani and learn the proper wear of the hijab because those who do not get beheaded. I cannot raise our children alone Honey the law requires constant parental guidance even in the home."
Nope, require nothing of her. Allow the beheading. Pay for her trip. There is no greater good. Fuck those kids. When mommy is gone because daddy didn't stop her from being a fucking idiot or just break off the relationship to get a better mommy then that's fine fuck it. There is no greater good, and requiring people to sit vs stand is paramount to torture.
In your world, I should have required nothing of our new status and let her get raped and killed while possibly pregnant with our kid, or raised it all on my own because asking someone to stand for a child is too much. Yes, this is the Tumblr reverse rape argument. You are telling me to give her my sperm because I have no rights and I can't set terms for my own relationships. That's not marriage, that's slavery.
#66 - thegamepixel (05/26/2016) [-]
First of all, I don't understand why you brought up Iraq, it has literally nothing to do with the argument.
Secondly, you were trying for a kid, so potential parents, either way, in any relationship, both people should be equals.
If you went to me and said "I want to have kids" and I said, okay, but first you need to jump off this building, give me all the money in your bank account, and move to antarctica, would you do it? Do you understand how ridiculous it is to demand someone meet standards that they do not agree to? If she doesn't think its necessary, why do you get the right to tell her what to do?
#68 - catburglarpenis (05/26/2016) [-]
Are you 100% sure you can read? I brought up Iraq as an example of a failure in statistical argumentation and as a counterpoint to your "paranoia" argument.
Secondly, again in the rest of the thread it was mentioned over and over that the 3 actions required for my agreement to advance our relationship to the parental level required her to go from sitting to standing- that's a bit different from jumping off a cliff and giving your money away; remember that she watched me cook and do Judo with a lot of her friends, same weight and gender. All she had to do was stop watching and start participating.
All in all, you're still basically implying the Tumblr reverse-rape argument. So to be clear- is that your suggestion in this situation? Should I have given my sperm to this woman and cared for her as she sired a baby that had a high chance of death due to her actions simply because I should have no right over my own sperm in a relationship, because setting expectations for copulation counts as being a "control freak" in your eyes? Look deeply at the image in >>#65 and tell me precisely whether or not that is exactly what you are implying.
#64 - thegamepixel (05/26/2016) [-]
"'want a paycheck? Then do this and here's money.'"
This is what a boss says to an employee. As parents you two are equal. You're not in charge, you don't control her actions. Stop being a control freak, its her life.
If something happens, then you did all that you could. She can live her life the way she wants to. You can encourage her but not force her. Everyone has their own feelings and ideas and you have to accept that.
If you're talking about Korea, why did you bring up Iraq.
#74 - catburglarpenis (06/02/2016) [-]
I re-read through your posts to try and figure it out. You have 10 posts on this page.
First you said not everyone has to cook and defend themselves, and I stated that this is a special circumstance and defended my positions with raw statistical data and facts, demonstrating the need for the wife-to-be to learn these skills.
Then you claimed that her probable likely soon-to-be rape was her free will choice and basically stated that I should have let it happen. The high statistical likelihood that she was going to get raped and possibly murdered along with my kid was something I should have warranted for whatever reason. You stated that her choice to go from sitting to standing so she can participate in Judo was her choice and again, the probable danger to my child should be ignored to protect her free will of choice. Notably, I watched people and their children die because of this mindset but again what actually occured gets ignored because you disagree on a philosophic level.
You made and then dropped the point that learning Judo and Cooking in a manner that involved standing instead of sitting involved an implied complete change of a person and possibly their personality(?), then called me thick headed to believe that going from sitting to standing wasn't too much to ask. Apparently my ex fiancé really needed those 35 calories for the winter.
You implied that Iraq has worse conditions today than South Korea did in 2007, which is not at all true. The place I was going and the woman I was to go with was particularly dangerous for her, and Iraq today is particularly safe for someone of your stature. Again you ignore the statistical and real for the philosophical and your assumptions.
You implied that a spouse is in any way equal to a servicemembers which is laughable at best, and stated again that she should have the full right to sire my child and get herself and she/he/it killed with her because fuck my rights to end a relationship on my own terms.
So here are the facts: I broke up with a girl because her actions no longer matched my requirements for partnership. I believed those actions to be an endangerment to my potential children. This is a lot like when someone fucks a hot chick but then realizes she's fucking stupid and breaks it off when she starts talking about marriage and kids and decides to put his sperm elsewhere.
Ending a relationship on my terms for any reason.
I warned my fiancé 8 months in advance that if she did not change her behavior in ways involving sitting vs standing or a 1/10 on her effort scale than this relationship was over. She refused to comply and I held her to our agreed contract.
You think it's not ok for me to end our relationship on my terms. You've mentioned a million reasons why it's not ok for me to exercise my own free will in ending a relationship and giving a person a chance to change beforehand (instead of giving someone no chance and simply ending it with no explanation- something you simply cannot do if you want any given relationship to last). You basically stated that if she doesn't wanna change her behavior, then I should stay with her anyways.
Does this sum it all up? By your logic I've seen so far:
1. Telling someone to change their behavior in any way is bad. Stop farting on my parents? Bad. Stop eating the neighborhood cats? Bad.
2. Break up with someone you disagree with immediately and don't tell them what they did wrong or give them a chance to change. Wife gained a little weight or started queefing? Get the fuck out of there man.
3. If you give someone a chance to change and they don't take it, stay with them anyways because fuck your free will. That's right. Want to end a relationship with that stalker? Well you're equal partners in your relationship so you don't get to end it until they finally kill you in your sleep.
Did I sum up your argument yet? You've reworded your argument maybe twice so I'm trying to figure it out before you go
#65 - catburglarpenis (05/26/2016) [-]
We're not equal as parents when we're not yet parents. Again, that's like stating that if I'm dating someone and I want them to start showering before I let them move into my apartment, I'm being a control freak. She's saying "I want to have kids", and I'm saying "Ok we can have kids if we do this", and you're saying "you're being a control freak. Fuck her, give her your sperm and impregnate her, raise her and your kid, and if she gets raped and killed while simultaneously neglectfully killing your child, so be it."
Again, that's Tumblr level logic, pic related.
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#68 - anon (05/23/2016) [-]
Not eberyone must some are, same goes to men really. I feel like people on this website hate women more and more, saying that they have no reason to be a feminist other than to try and get power over women. Globally women are very oppressed, maybe not as much in america, but shit like violence against women on the basis of them being female happens still.
#69 - anon (05/23/2016) [-]
*not everyone but, I don't even know how I got must from but....