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#182 - Most of the people I know/play the game with would agree with …  [+] (1 new reply) 01/29/2014 on (untitled) +1
#194 - dotafanboy (01/29/2014) [-]
Alright, I might not have been clear enoug on this.

The gameplay has been done before. Not a single element in it is new and it has much less substance than in the games it rips off. The "marriage" between gameplay and story is also extremely unoriginal in that this has also been done in a lot of other games.

Does this make the game innately bad? No. These elements were good and that's probably why they tried ripping them off, but to anyone who played all these other cinematic games, it's just a lot of points reduction by doing it. This is also a flaw, because it means that if you play a lot of cinemtically driven games such as this, you'll noticed the patterns in it.

I rarely hear the last of us being called anything but "all story" and the internet hates IGN, Gamespot and all those other sites, because it allows people who don't actually understand what's going on to steal stupid opinions. So you liked the game, that's good but you have to understand that IGN are like whores. They tell you what you want to hear because it gives them good traffic.
#168 - But I would not agree that the other games youre talking about…  [+] (3 new replies) 01/29/2014 on (untitled) +1
#171 - dotafanboy (01/29/2014) [-]
But the last of us sacrificed almost all its gameplay for the story.

All the "story" bits where you were "playing" were QTEs of one kind or another. It is winning all these awards because of how utterly incapable or inexperienced the average person seems to be with understanding video games.

What's weird is that now you're arguing that all the things that even the fans of the last of us seem to have admitted wasn't quite as good as they got hyped over. Most of the people who recognize that the last of us was a good game seem to now understand that the gameplay wasn't exactly good.

The last of us is usually recognized as being all story, but as we previously concluded, that doesn't have to be the case. You can like the gameplay too, nobody tells you what you can/can't like, but you have to take into account what's happening even if you don't personally think it's such a big deal.

TL;DR: You're arguing for things that even the normal fans of the game recognize as being below average.

IGN hasn't made a valid point about any game for a very long time.
#182 - GodOfGodz (01/29/2014) [-]
Most of the people I know/play the game with would agree with me that the gameplay was good. I rarely hear TLoU being called "all story," it's like they say in that video, it was the marriage of story and gameplay that made it so good. I don't really now what else to tell you. You make it as if youre opinion is the bottom line, just because you didnt enjoy something, does not make it a flaw. If you don't like the gameplay, that doesn't mean it is flawed. I hate the gameplay of Final Fantasy, but it's not necessarily flawed, its just not my type of game. And stop with all the IGN hate, i'm tired of all of it on the internet, there are tons of other sites I can point you to that feel the same way. My main point of this entire argument was that you are making it as if the millions of people that loved the game are in the wrong, and that we are all blind. But you are in the minority, so maybe it just isn't your game. I think the movie Citizen Kane was horrible, but its widely regarded as one of the best movies of all time, and I recognize that, therefore I do not dispute that it is good, it just isnt for me. There is a reason so many people love the game. Just because you do not like it as much does not make it a bad game. None of the "flaws" you have pointed out are factual, they are just your opinion... A flaw is a glitch, or a bug, or some sort of exploit, or a balancing issue, your "flaws" are just things you did not like personally.
#194 - dotafanboy (01/29/2014) [-]
Alright, I might not have been clear enoug on this.

The gameplay has been done before. Not a single element in it is new and it has much less substance than in the games it rips off. The "marriage" between gameplay and story is also extremely unoriginal in that this has also been done in a lot of other games.

Does this make the game innately bad? No. These elements were good and that's probably why they tried ripping them off, but to anyone who played all these other cinematic games, it's just a lot of points reduction by doing it. This is also a flaw, because it means that if you play a lot of cinemtically driven games such as this, you'll noticed the patterns in it.

I rarely hear the last of us being called anything but "all story" and the internet hates IGN, Gamespot and all those other sites, because it allows people who don't actually understand what's going on to steal stupid opinions. So you liked the game, that's good but you have to understand that IGN are like whores. They tell you what you want to hear because it gives them good traffic.
#147 - The thing is, a lot of the things you are claiming the game di…  [+] (5 new replies) 01/29/2014 on (untitled) +3
#159 - dotafanboy (01/29/2014) [-]
If you look above you can see many a case of people simply saying that it's the best game ever without having a clue as to why they say it.

I get what you're saying, and most of it I can agree with. I can't speak on other peoples behalf and say that they should think something specific of the gameplay, but I can say that the gameplay consists only of very tired and overused elements and it's no longer just me saying "how it is to play it". This is what people choose to ignore all the time however.

The game doesn't have miniscule flaws. It has giant glowing boss-weakpoint size flaws.

I'm not here to say that people aren't allowed to think it's a really good game, but it isn't as good as everyone on the internet keep saying it is. I played it before I had any idea what the internet thought of it.

I'm getting tired of this though. If you understand all of which you said above, I hope you understand that there are many games that did all of the things the last of us did and most of them did it better.
#168 - GodOfGodz (01/29/2014) [-]
But I would not agree that the other games youre talking about did it better. None were as emotional, none saw the characters evolve so much throughout a game, none had 2 characters grow so much in terms of relationship. The game isn't winning all these awards for no reason... There are games with better stories, that sacrificed gameplay, there are games with better gameplay, that sacrificed story, but The Last of Us did both. My opinion of The Last of Us is best summed up by this video: www.ign.com/videos/2014/01/10/introducing-igns-2013-game-of-the-year
#171 - dotafanboy (01/29/2014) [-]
But the last of us sacrificed almost all its gameplay for the story.

All the "story" bits where you were "playing" were QTEs of one kind or another. It is winning all these awards because of how utterly incapable or inexperienced the average person seems to be with understanding video games.

What's weird is that now you're arguing that all the things that even the fans of the last of us seem to have admitted wasn't quite as good as they got hyped over. Most of the people who recognize that the last of us was a good game seem to now understand that the gameplay wasn't exactly good.

The last of us is usually recognized as being all story, but as we previously concluded, that doesn't have to be the case. You can like the gameplay too, nobody tells you what you can/can't like, but you have to take into account what's happening even if you don't personally think it's such a big deal.

TL;DR: You're arguing for things that even the normal fans of the game recognize as being below average.

IGN hasn't made a valid point about any game for a very long time.
#182 - GodOfGodz (01/29/2014) [-]
Most of the people I know/play the game with would agree with me that the gameplay was good. I rarely hear TLoU being called "all story," it's like they say in that video, it was the marriage of story and gameplay that made it so good. I don't really now what else to tell you. You make it as if youre opinion is the bottom line, just because you didnt enjoy something, does not make it a flaw. If you don't like the gameplay, that doesn't mean it is flawed. I hate the gameplay of Final Fantasy, but it's not necessarily flawed, its just not my type of game. And stop with all the IGN hate, i'm tired of all of it on the internet, there are tons of other sites I can point you to that feel the same way. My main point of this entire argument was that you are making it as if the millions of people that loved the game are in the wrong, and that we are all blind. But you are in the minority, so maybe it just isn't your game. I think the movie Citizen Kane was horrible, but its widely regarded as one of the best movies of all time, and I recognize that, therefore I do not dispute that it is good, it just isnt for me. There is a reason so many people love the game. Just because you do not like it as much does not make it a bad game. None of the "flaws" you have pointed out are factual, they are just your opinion... A flaw is a glitch, or a bug, or some sort of exploit, or a balancing issue, your "flaws" are just things you did not like personally.
#194 - dotafanboy (01/29/2014) [-]
Alright, I might not have been clear enoug on this.

The gameplay has been done before. Not a single element in it is new and it has much less substance than in the games it rips off. The "marriage" between gameplay and story is also extremely unoriginal in that this has also been done in a lot of other games.

Does this make the game innately bad? No. These elements were good and that's probably why they tried ripping them off, but to anyone who played all these other cinematic games, it's just a lot of points reduction by doing it. This is also a flaw, because it means that if you play a lot of cinemtically driven games such as this, you'll noticed the patterns in it.

I rarely hear the last of us being called anything but "all story" and the internet hates IGN, Gamespot and all those other sites, because it allows people who don't actually understand what's going on to steal stupid opinions. So you liked the game, that's good but you have to understand that IGN are like whores. They tell you what you want to hear because it gives them good traffic.
#137 - Eh, everyone has an opinion. Personally, I thought the gamepla…  [+] (7 new replies) 01/29/2014 on (untitled) +3
#142 - dotafanboy (01/29/2014) [-]
"where story and gameplay worked together so perfectly"

That's kind of the thing I dislike the most about the game. The degree in which I didn't find this to be the case. The gameplay was in my opinion extremely bland and it was far away from the story, because all the worthwhile story was in the cutscenes.

At this point however, it's not about whether or not I have an opinion. It's that nobody else seems to have one except for the hivemind opinion that it's the best game ever. I like to get hyped about the games I like too, but the degree in which people are afraid of any actual criticism to the last of us is insane.

I did like the game, but the more I see all these idiots on the internet trying to explain away why the last of us "totall is the best game ever", the more I wish I didn', because the last of us wasn't the best game ever. There is so much you could criticize the game for, because it does so many things wrong, but the fanbase of the game is just too close-minded to consider something like that.

TL;DR: At this point, this isn't about differing opinions anymore.
#147 - GodOfGodz (01/29/2014) [-]
The thing is, a lot of the things you are claiming the game did wrong are exactly what we like... You say the gameplay is bland, but I enjoyed it. And the gameplay did advance the story, at the very least, the gameplay helped develop the characters, like the little parts where Ellie tells you she hass never been in a record store, or has never seen a Girraffe, etc. You saying the gameplay is bland is like me telling someone who loves Skyrim dragons are not cool and the setting was dull and dumb. Clearly that person enjoyed the dragons and setting and what not. Sure there are people blindly avoiding all criticism of TLoU, but what about those of us that genuinely think it was an amazing game? Every game has flaws, but TLoU has miniscule flaws. You say it isn't the best game ever... which is an opinion. Everyone likes different games, it doesnt make them wrong. People wouldnt "explain away why the last of us is totally the best game ever" if they didn't believe it. I'm well aware that the game has flaws, but what the game does right outshines them to a degree that they can be overlooked.
#159 - dotafanboy (01/29/2014) [-]
If you look above you can see many a case of people simply saying that it's the best game ever without having a clue as to why they say it.

I get what you're saying, and most of it I can agree with. I can't speak on other peoples behalf and say that they should think something specific of the gameplay, but I can say that the gameplay consists only of very tired and overused elements and it's no longer just me saying "how it is to play it". This is what people choose to ignore all the time however.

The game doesn't have miniscule flaws. It has giant glowing boss-weakpoint size flaws.

I'm not here to say that people aren't allowed to think it's a really good game, but it isn't as good as everyone on the internet keep saying it is. I played it before I had any idea what the internet thought of it.

I'm getting tired of this though. If you understand all of which you said above, I hope you understand that there are many games that did all of the things the last of us did and most of them did it better.
#168 - GodOfGodz (01/29/2014) [-]
But I would not agree that the other games youre talking about did it better. None were as emotional, none saw the characters evolve so much throughout a game, none had 2 characters grow so much in terms of relationship. The game isn't winning all these awards for no reason... There are games with better stories, that sacrificed gameplay, there are games with better gameplay, that sacrificed story, but The Last of Us did both. My opinion of The Last of Us is best summed up by this video: www.ign.com/videos/2014/01/10/introducing-igns-2013-game-of-the-year
#171 - dotafanboy (01/29/2014) [-]
But the last of us sacrificed almost all its gameplay for the story.

All the "story" bits where you were "playing" were QTEs of one kind or another. It is winning all these awards because of how utterly incapable or inexperienced the average person seems to be with understanding video games.

What's weird is that now you're arguing that all the things that even the fans of the last of us seem to have admitted wasn't quite as good as they got hyped over. Most of the people who recognize that the last of us was a good game seem to now understand that the gameplay wasn't exactly good.

The last of us is usually recognized as being all story, but as we previously concluded, that doesn't have to be the case. You can like the gameplay too, nobody tells you what you can/can't like, but you have to take into account what's happening even if you don't personally think it's such a big deal.

TL;DR: You're arguing for things that even the normal fans of the game recognize as being below average.

IGN hasn't made a valid point about any game for a very long time.
#182 - GodOfGodz (01/29/2014) [-]
Most of the people I know/play the game with would agree with me that the gameplay was good. I rarely hear TLoU being called "all story," it's like they say in that video, it was the marriage of story and gameplay that made it so good. I don't really now what else to tell you. You make it as if youre opinion is the bottom line, just because you didnt enjoy something, does not make it a flaw. If you don't like the gameplay, that doesn't mean it is flawed. I hate the gameplay of Final Fantasy, but it's not necessarily flawed, its just not my type of game. And stop with all the IGN hate, i'm tired of all of it on the internet, there are tons of other sites I can point you to that feel the same way. My main point of this entire argument was that you are making it as if the millions of people that loved the game are in the wrong, and that we are all blind. But you are in the minority, so maybe it just isn't your game. I think the movie Citizen Kane was horrible, but its widely regarded as one of the best movies of all time, and I recognize that, therefore I do not dispute that it is good, it just isnt for me. There is a reason so many people love the game. Just because you do not like it as much does not make it a bad game. None of the "flaws" you have pointed out are factual, they are just your opinion... A flaw is a glitch, or a bug, or some sort of exploit, or a balancing issue, your "flaws" are just things you did not like personally.
#194 - dotafanboy (01/29/2014) [-]
Alright, I might not have been clear enoug on this.

The gameplay has been done before. Not a single element in it is new and it has much less substance than in the games it rips off. The "marriage" between gameplay and story is also extremely unoriginal in that this has also been done in a lot of other games.

Does this make the game innately bad? No. These elements were good and that's probably why they tried ripping them off, but to anyone who played all these other cinematic games, it's just a lot of points reduction by doing it. This is also a flaw, because it means that if you play a lot of cinemtically driven games such as this, you'll noticed the patterns in it.

I rarely hear the last of us being called anything but "all story" and the internet hates IGN, Gamespot and all those other sites, because it allows people who don't actually understand what's going on to steal stupid opinions. So you liked the game, that's good but you have to understand that IGN are like whores. They tell you what you want to hear because it gives them good traffic.
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