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#15 - Being hypocrites never stopped them before  [+] (4 replies) 09/20/2016 on Trumper Comp51 +30
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#17 - opummagnus (09/20/2016) [-]
That's true
but if to the left, being compared to the Donald is anything to being Hitler, you can just say that Trump used the same argument and therefore they are just as Trump but I doubt they can follow that logic
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#19 - FearTheToilet (09/20/2016) [-]
Yeah thats the problem it like when they say "all white people _____" and then you change "white" to any other race it should prove to them just how racist they are being, but it doesn't resonate with them because the are mentally "deplorable"
#18 - opummagnus (09/20/2016) [-]
just as bad as Trump*
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#20 - FearTheToilet (09/20/2016) [-]
honestly i didnt even notice there was no "bad my brain just added it lol
#10 - This is a ******* retarded analogy no matter what side posts i…  [+] (29 replies) 09/20/2016 on Trumper Comp51 +78
#130 - raisinbeuponhim (09/21/2016) [-]
There is a major difference though.

In the feminist one. Well a bowl of M&M's will countain several hundrett single M&M pieces of which 10% are poisened. In this analogy the poisend ones are representing bad men who are going to do bad things to their partners. The thing here is that there are several grades of "bad" of not all the grade of abusive. In other words , there are several levels of poison , the major part will give you a stomacheache or make you sick but only a minority of the initial 10% would outright kill you.

Now since we are talking about relationships here , well , you don't take a fucking hand of M&M's , or men in this case. You take 1 or 2 , maybe 5 over time. But not several dozens at one time.

So in the feminist one in reality the individual women has a nigh insignificant chance of getting a poisned one - and thereby it is safe for the individual women to pick one out.
FOr the rest , just look at the warning signs and thats just about it.

In the Trump one the comparrison can actually be made since we aren't talking about things on a individual level but on a makro scale.
So if even just about 1% of the rapefugees are actually bad people , take in 100k and you will have 1k who will do terrorism , raping and murder and such things.
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#122 - obviousxplains (09/21/2016) [-]
You can vet men
You cant vet refugees

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#77 - sarphog (09/21/2016) [-]
It really isn't in this case. It works well with the immigration crisis because "it's racist to not accept all" rather than trying to single out the bad apples.

Basically feminism *wants* to generalize, while most who aren't regressive leftists don't want to generalize
#67 - autobotstransform (09/21/2016) [-]
You didnt give an argument -- you just labelled it bad.
Now THATS retarded!
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#93 - jwalton (09/21/2016) [-]
Rip up your drivers license, theres a chance you'll kill someone or be killed.
Give up your right to own guns, theres a chance your child will kill someone with it accidentally.

Let's just give up all our American freedoms and ideals in the name of safety while we're at it
#131 - raisinbeuponhim (09/21/2016) [-]
Yes there is a chance that these freedoms will lead to the deaths of other people.
This is an inevitable thing that nobody can or will ever change no matter what happens.

The question here is. Why increase the chance if there is no gain in there to be found?
Middle eastern people won't bring a major gain for any nation that takes them in their hundretts of thousands or millions in , it will only take away ressources and increase the costs even further.
In other words , you will loose on every turn imaginable.

SO again , why increase the bad things without an increase in the good things?
#132 - jwalton (09/21/2016) [-]
Because helping people isnt always about what gain you can get from them.
We as Americans stand for certain humanitarian ideals, and this is a humanitarian crisis. No one or no nation should abandon their morals because of fear, it's just not what America should be about.

"Bring us your poor, your tired, your huddled masses... As long as they got some good shit to bring me LMAO."
~Lady Liberty
#145 - autobotstransform (09/22/2016) [-]
fuck off cuck--lets see if you change your tune once an arab rapes your mom--better yet--move to syria
#133 - raisinbeuponhim (09/21/2016) [-]
Yeah because the US is the wellfare centre of the world , right?
ANd how exactly is it humanatarian in bringing the whole of the fucking world into your nation? It may help some people there , it may also not in the long run , but how exactly would it help Syria if you are to take in their people?
The problems that these people have aren't magicly going to vanish once they have hit the US borders , they will take their problems , problems that lead to this mess in the first place , with them into your nation.

Bring us your poor , your tired , your huddled masses with completly different fundamental world views , cultures , believes and values that are for the most part incompatible with your very own values.

Btw , why isn't the US taking in thousand Ukrainians? Or Chechnians? Or Africans? Or Chinese?
In all these nations there are a fuckton of humantarian problems , at times close to or just as worse as it goes on at the major battle zones in Syria.

And this is the problem in the first place. Most of these people aren't refugees , if anything they are econmic refugees. Nobody has any obligations in taking them in , and that is why i am asking why they should be taken in , in the first place.
#137 - jwalton (09/21/2016) [-]
The US does and would take in people from these countries if and when they pass a vetting process so I'm not sure where you're going with that.

It's not an easy problem with a simple solution, and I dont think you're an idiot or even wrong for being concerned of the side effects. Any solution given is going to have negative consequences, welcome to the real world. I dont want to believe I live in a country that gives up on its most basic principles every time its scared those principles could have side effects.

And the "incompatible" culture thing... You realize millions of people of these cultures already live in the US. Do we need to send them away too? How far do we strip down our morals and freedoms for fear?

It is welfare I'll give you that, but you use the word like it's a dirty word, like these people had a choice and chose their homes to be reduced to rubble and are now just looking for a dole.
#139 - raisinbeuponhim (09/21/2016) [-]
To clarify this a bit more.
If you are talking , not even critizing , Islam you are quick to be called a racist. Which should be impossible because Islam is an Ideoligy and not a race.
This is because , like i said it is all about race here for the media and most of the far left. Because they are thinking that Islam is just Christianity but with sand niggers and that they have essentially the same views and values as they do , but not just as moderns maybe. That is why there is no true discussion about Islam et large in the west , this why you are being labeled a racist for being against a ideoligy.

This is also why , both in germany and in the US , if you hear a progressiv politcian talk about this shit it is purely about race and that white people will in a decade no longer be the majority in these nations. This is purely because they are thinking that the west is inherintly evil and has all around the world done evil things and that is why we should allow everyone in.
They do not understand that people can have different values. That the critism are on a different nature. That not everything is about race , as they tend to believe. And since they believe that , they are thinking that everybody is going to think like that and that this entire issue is purely about race.
#143 - jwalton (09/21/2016) [-]
in regards to 139:
I agree with everything you said, it sucks and I just think that's how most social/political issues have been for awhile now. (I would like to point out I haven't made any of these, but I see what you mean.)
I see it as a perception that (whether true or not) if you give up ANY ground in your side of the argument ("Yes Islam is used for horrible purposes and their leaders are maniacal, evil dictators and a portion of muslims in these countries will follow their lead blindly") then the other side will give up no ground and assault you forever on that ("SEE! [leader I disagree with] even said themselves that muslims are a problem, why should we help them") and cite that source forever and ever.
I see it in 100% of issues these days, where people try so hard to be the EXACT opposite of the side they disagree with, to the point where everyone loses site of their original arguments and everyone looks like retards.

in response to 138:
I'll make a few points but I'll try not to redundantly repeat what I've said before...

I get it that there will be negative consequences and that we can never vet perfectly. but I will NEVER stand behind any policy in the US that discriminates on culture or religion. I truly believe more good than harm will come of helping hundreds of thousands in need.

I am in no fear whatsoever that sharia law will ever gain any ground whatsoever in the US. I think this whole "they're takin' over muh culture" is fear-mongering at its most obvious. We are in 0 danger of ever becoming a Theocracy or ruled by any one religion/culture, this is simply a scare tactic.

There may be better solutions like NATO or even other muslim countries taking in refugees but if they have no chance of happening then we're doing nothing of value other than daydreaming about a better world. And just because we can't fix every single problem in the world shouldn't change our stance on any specific problem (i.e. "why are we paying for space travel if we have homeless to feed?").

I can't speak for anybody but myself, but my stance on helping refugees wouldn't change no matter where they came from or what part of the world is having many troubles, so I see that as more diversionary than as having any substance to the argument at hand.
#138 - raisinbeuponhim (09/21/2016) [-]
Yeah the thing with vetting processes is. They won't work. You can't just call the , not really functioning , not to mention truly existing , government of Iraq , Afghanistan or now Syria to vet them some guy who is not probably in the system anyway.
Srsly , this is an issue. In Iraq for example , a Sunni majority country , Shiits are not truly accepted as citizens , and the kurds are essentially non existend there.
And the people in the rural areas are as primitv as it can only get. I mean that srsly , show them a picture of a whale and they are going to think that it is a monster from outer space that is coming out to get them. There is no true data of many of these people - espcialy if they have just thrown their passes away anyway.

More importantly even if there would be any. Syria is in such trouble that nobody has any fucking idea if the guy that is currently sitting on your border is a potential jihadist or just some guy who likes the west more and wants to become an actuall part of your nation and wider culture.
Because , you can't just call ISIS , AQ , AQI , Al Nusra or what ever and ask them about the guy you are currently vetting and if they can mail you their Data about said person in order to check if he is a part of them, or something like that.
Even worse , you can't check their ideology. That is the thing about ISIS , it is purely ideological , you don't have to be part of their group , you don't even have to know any one down there or even have to have any form of contanct to them to support them through terrorism. - They are just going to do it by their own accord.
This is a thing that is nigh impossible to acutally vet. On a individual level maybe , given enough time , but on a makro level ? No.
It will take years and millions of Dollars to do so.

It is nice that you have principles. The thing is. There are a great many people down there that want their principles to be the ruling ones and they will use yours to achiev theirs.
I understand where you are coming from. But the truth is , having several themselfs directly opposing cultures where the incoming one will directly and activly segregate themselfs from the wider culture will inevitably lead to conflict. Just look at the situation in Europe with mass Islamic migration . and i am not even talking about the current crises.

Trust me , Islamic culture is quite different from any other there truly is. SInce it is , just as was the western in old days , a imperious one that wants to rule and dominate. There can not be , at least in our times with retarded regressives running rampant , a compromis between the two.

And no , we don't have to strip down our morals out of fear. We have to use our brains here and stop the racisms . and yes this is all about racism here.
You see , we have problems all around the world , just look down at south america or mexico , just look at the urkrain or any other ex soviet nation for that matter. There is confilct everywhere. The question is , why isn't this an major talking point? Where is the out rage about that? Where is the call for humanatarian aids for these regions?
Well , nobody gives a fuck because it does not further the current race debate. And make no mistake in this topic for the mass media and many progressiv politcians it is not about what is right , and what should be done but about looking nice.
In truth the media cares only because the Syrians , and the "Syrians" are brown , or the curious kind of black syrians that i have been seeing a great many times as of lately. If they where white , the current racist media wouldn't give a fuck and with that the polticans - because it does not further their progressiv agenda.

Bringen them in will inevitably hurt EVERY group. It would have been far easier and chaper and better if the Nato , if it weren't useless , to bring in troops to secure a safe zone where the refugees could actually go , instead of traveling over half the world for some benefits.
#63 - sybarite (09/21/2016) [-]
I will probably cop a few red tumbs for this but.

I some what agree with both. However I don't believe it's because of what sex or race you are. I just belive that roughly 10% of people are dickheads who can't be trusted to do anything right.

Then again I may just hate /distrust humanity to much nowadays
#134 - raisinbeuponhim (09/21/2016) [-]
It's not about race , it is mostly about ideology.
The problem is. With race you can see by first look who is who.
With ideology it is virtually impossible for anyone to find out what that one guy from the middle east thinks or wants to do.
This is the issue here.
#61 - blackmageewizardt (09/21/2016) [-]
Welcome to the argument hole that is FJ comment section ( or general everywhere )

Where being years of being ignored and made fun of are now justification to behave like the retards you fight against, use arguments like the retards you fight against, start to behave like the retards you fight against, after all you are the poor little guy that had been supresed and anything you do now is justefied theirfore. ( sounds familiar? )
#73 - whiteobama (09/21/2016) [-]
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#86 - velho (09/21/2016) [-]
There really ain't many people left to argue with.
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#16 - FearTheToilet (09/20/2016) [-]
Just so people know i am against the mass immigration, this is just a fucking retarded way to present an argument.
#14 - opummagnus (09/20/2016) [-]
I agree that its a shit argument
but now liberals and SJWs can't use the argument without seeming like hypocrites
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#15 - FearTheToilet (09/20/2016) [-]
Being hypocrites never stopped them before
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#17 - opummagnus (09/20/2016) [-]
That's true
but if to the left, being compared to the Donald is anything to being Hitler, you can just say that Trump used the same argument and therefore they are just as Trump but I doubt they can follow that logic
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#19 - FearTheToilet (09/20/2016) [-]
Yeah thats the problem it like when they say "all white people _____" and then you change "white" to any other race it should prove to them just how racist they are being, but it doesn't resonate with them because the are mentally "deplorable"
#18 - opummagnus (09/20/2016) [-]
just as bad as Trump*
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#20 - FearTheToilet (09/20/2016) [-]
honestly i didnt even notice there was no "bad my brain just added it lol

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