How about we both forget about whether the Turkey's done or not and just be thankful for all the good shit we have in our lives. :p

Can't argue with red and brown logic.

I had to come up with my own "tureky" analogy ;D

How about we both forget about whether the Turkey's done or not and just be thankful for all the good shit we have in our lives. :p

Sorry for the Turkey analogy. It's the only one that came to mind.

Well, I think 95% might be a a little high. I was thinking more in the 70-80% range. But I do see your point and the only thing I can say at this point is that I think what you're saying is,"The turkey's done and it's time to take it out of the oven" and what I'm saying is "I'd give it another 5 minutes".

Yup I think this just boils down to preferences. Its like someones favorite color, for some it might be red and dislike brown for no other reason that it is. Like you said I love where the genre is right now its my style its my red. For others maybe thye just dont like it, its their brown

Can't argue with red and brown logic.

I had to come up with my own "tureky" analogy ;D

How about we both forget about whether the Turkey's done or not and just be thankful for all the good shit we have in our lives. :p

OMG HI

Okay agreed but my question still remains...did dubstep ever had those days when people were dead set against it, a time where it was thought of as a waste of money and resources or a time where "artists" in that genre had that crippling doubt which separates the wannabes from the truly exceptional and if your answer to that is "Yes" and "Skrillex" and "Deadmau5" at that point I would have to disagree. It's not just the thriving of a genre that makes it worthwhile, it's the struggle which makes it go from "just noise" to "real art" and I just don't think that Dubstep or EDM has gone through that yet...I'm not saying it doesn't have a chance, I'm just saying that by not forcing it to be better we're taking that exact opportunity away from it.

Idk if any genre of music has had what im assuming youre trying to ask like 95% of the population set against it. But yes I believe around 2009-2010 when electro music was making a comeback there were alot of people that were just thinking "wtf is this shit" I Believe that theres still alot of people that think that. There are tons of stories of artists who basically started from nothing and played around with sounds in their garage to eventually playing in front of 20,000 people. Deadmau5 doesnt even make dubstep and skrillex (although is similar) style has changed since becoming popular in 2011. This genre has transcended sooo much from the 90's techno music (which I believe is complete shit) to what it is now. It has come soooooooo far from where its started that its almost a different genre altogether. Even the difference from 2010-2011 when "techno" became popular again to 2012-2015 is a huge difference imo. So yes the struggle of trying to become popular and make quality sound in a new frontier of music is the answer to your struggle question in itself. But from where it began to where it is now shows the journey that this music is on.

Sorry for the Turkey analogy. It's the only one that came to mind.

Well, I think 95% might be a a little high. I was thinking more in the 70-80% range. But I do see your point and the only thing I can say at this point is that I think what you're saying is,"The turkey's done and it's time to take it out of the oven" and what I'm saying is "I'd give it another 5 minutes".

Yup I think this just boils down to preferences. Its like someones favorite color, for some it might be red and dislike brown for no other reason that it is. Like you said I love where the genre is right now its my style its my red. For others maybe thye just dont like it, its their brown

Can't argue with red and brown logic.

I had to come up with my own "tureky" analogy ;D

How about we both forget about whether the Turkey's done or not and just be thankful for all the good shit we have in our lives. :p

Yes and what I'm saying is that it is because of people going that rock and roll etc is just bullshit that rock and roll etc were able to prove to the world that they weren't what the world thought they were. It is not only the sheer existence of a thing that makes it worthwhile, it's the obstacles it has to overcome that give it an opportunity to prove itself. But this stupid "Well they said it about rock and rap etc so they're saying it again about dubstep hurr durr we're so smart" bullshit has to stop. Negativity is needed as much as support for any piece of art to be called exactly that.
Again I'm not saying you're wrong but this idea of unquestioned acceptance is exactly why the art world is suffering but if you say there are actually good songs I would love to hear some but I would like to ask you a question first. Do you like dubstep because it really speaks to you or do you like it because if you say you don't you'll be perceived as a closed minded individual as you clearly assumed me to be?

Im not saying that just because it exists it means something. But if millions upon millions of people love a style of music and people are touring all around the world presenting their music to huge crowds then it must mean something to people. Im not just talking about dubstep but EDM as a whole and yes I like dubstep as well as other styles that fall under the edm umbrella because it speaks to me. There are feelings and vibes you get from listening to some songs that literally no other genre can bring. Are other styles bad? no. Do I get feelings from other styles that edm cant bring? yes. You just have to think that if something goes mainstream that it HAS to be doing something right otherwise it would never of made it there in the first place. EDM has blown up in the recent couple of years and my first rave was this last summer and I can completely see why.

OMG HI

Okay agreed but my question still remains...did dubstep ever had those days when people were dead set against it, a time where it was thought of as a waste of money and resources or a time where "artists" in that genre had that crippling doubt which separates the wannabes from the truly exceptional and if your answer to that is "Yes" and "Skrillex" and "Deadmau5" at that point I would have to disagree. It's not just the thriving of a genre that makes it worthwhile, it's the struggle which makes it go from "just noise" to "real art" and I just don't think that Dubstep or EDM has gone through that yet...I'm not saying it doesn't have a chance, I'm just saying that by not forcing it to be better we're taking that exact opportunity away from it.

Idk if any genre of music has had what im assuming youre trying to ask like 95% of the population set against it. But yes I believe around 2009-2010 when electro music was making a comeback there were alot of people that were just thinking "wtf is this shit" I Believe that theres still alot of people that think that. There are tons of stories of artists who basically started from nothing and played around with sounds in their garage to eventually playing in front of 20,000 people. Deadmau5 doesnt even make dubstep and skrillex (although is similar) style has changed since becoming popular in 2011. This genre has transcended sooo much from the 90's techno music (which I believe is complete shit) to what it is now. It has come soooooooo far from where its started that its almost a different genre altogether. Even the difference from 2010-2011 when "techno" became popular again to 2012-2015 is a huge difference imo. So yes the struggle of trying to become popular and make quality sound in a new frontier of music is the answer to your struggle question in itself. But from where it began to where it is now shows the journey that this music is on.

Sorry for the Turkey analogy. It's the only one that came to mind.

Well, I think 95% might be a a little high. I was thinking more in the 70-80% range. But I do see your point and the only thing I can say at this point is that I think what you're saying is,"The turkey's done and it's time to take it out of the oven" and what I'm saying is "I'd give it another 5 minutes".

Yup I think this just boils down to preferences. Its like someones favorite color, for some it might be red and dislike brown for no other reason that it is. Like you said I love where the genre is right now its my style its my red. For others maybe thye just dont like it, its their brown

Can't argue with red and brown logic.

I had to come up with my own "tureky" analogy ;D

How about we both forget about whether the Turkey's done or not and just be thankful for all the good shit we have in our lives. :p

Okay Honestly, please let me know your thoughts on whether, as far as the musical art form is concerned, Dubstep and Beep Boop noises are a step in the progressive direction, all the while keeping in mind the definition of music in terms of emotions and emotional transference? Please let me know. I'm open minded, believe me there's a lot of music out there I hate but I still call it music, I just cant bring myself to give this "Genre" that kind of respect.

There are so many songs that have feeling and emotion to it. Dubstep is just a sub genre to EDM as a whole which I think you are trying to talk about. This is a step forward because there hasnt been anything like it ever in human history. You know how many people like you existed that called rock and roll just mindless garbage? Or what about rap? Each new genre of music there will always be people like you that for somereason just because its new and different cant open your mind up about it. Ive "felt" more in some songs than I could EVER feel in guitar or opera or symphonies. Is there some crap songs? yes. Are there crap songs in every genre of music? yes... I can send you some songs that are in my opinion really good. And no im not a hipster ill send you some mainstream songs by some huge names and they are amazing.

Yes and what I'm saying is that it is because of people going that rock and roll etc is just bullshit that rock and roll etc were able to prove to the world that they weren't what the world thought they were. It is not only the sheer existence of a thing that makes it worthwhile, it's the obstacles it has to overcome that give it an opportunity to prove itself. But this stupid "Well they said it about rock and rap etc so they're saying it again about dubstep hurr durr we're so smart" bullshit has to stop. Negativity is needed as much as support for any piece of art to be called exactly that.
Again I'm not saying you're wrong but this idea of unquestioned acceptance is exactly why the art world is suffering but if you say there are actually good songs I would love to hear some but I would like to ask you a question first. Do you like dubstep because it really speaks to you or do you like it because if you say you don't you'll be perceived as a closed minded individual as you clearly assumed me to be?

Im not saying that just because it exists it means something. But if millions upon millions of people love a style of music and people are touring all around the world presenting their music to huge crowds then it must mean something to people. Im not just talking about dubstep but EDM as a whole and yes I like dubstep as well as other styles that fall under the edm umbrella because it speaks to me. There are feelings and vibes you get from listening to some songs that literally no other genre can bring. Are other styles bad? no. Do I get feelings from other styles that edm cant bring? yes. You just have to think that if something goes mainstream that it HAS to be doing something right otherwise it would never of made it there in the first place. EDM has blown up in the recent couple of years and my first rave was this last summer and I can completely see why.

OMG HI

Okay agreed but my question still remains...did dubstep ever had those days when people were dead set against it, a time where it was thought of as a waste of money and resources or a time where "artists" in that genre had that crippling doubt which separates the wannabes from the truly exceptional and if your answer to that is "Yes" and "Skrillex" and "Deadmau5" at that point I would have to disagree. It's not just the thriving of a genre that makes it worthwhile, it's the struggle which makes it go from "just noise" to "real art" and I just don't think that Dubstep or EDM has gone through that yet...I'm not saying it doesn't have a chance, I'm just saying that by not forcing it to be better we're taking that exact opportunity away from it.

Idk if any genre of music has had what im assuming youre trying to ask like 95% of the population set against it. But yes I believe around 2009-2010 when electro music was making a comeback there were alot of people that were just thinking "wtf is this shit" I Believe that theres still alot of people that think that. There are tons of stories of artists who basically started from nothing and played around with sounds in their garage to eventually playing in front of 20,000 people. Deadmau5 doesnt even make dubstep and skrillex (although is similar) style has changed since becoming popular in 2011. This genre has transcended sooo much from the 90's techno music (which I believe is complete shit) to what it is now. It has come soooooooo far from where its started that its almost a different genre altogether. Even the difference from 2010-2011 when "techno" became popular again to 2012-2015 is a huge difference imo. So yes the struggle of trying to become popular and make quality sound in a new frontier of music is the answer to your struggle question in itself. But from where it began to where it is now shows the journey that this music is on.

Sorry for the Turkey analogy. It's the only one that came to mind.

Well, I think 95% might be a a little high. I was thinking more in the 70-80% range. But I do see your point and the only thing I can say at this point is that I think what you're saying is,"The turkey's done and it's time to take it out of the oven" and what I'm saying is "I'd give it another 5 minutes".

Yup I think this just boils down to preferences. Its like someones favorite color, for some it might be red and dislike brown for no other reason that it is. Like you said I love where the genre is right now its my style its my red. For others maybe thye just dont like it, its their brown

Can't argue with red and brown logic.

I had to come up with my own "tureky" analogy ;D

How about we both forget about whether the Turkey's done or not and just be thankful for all the good shit we have in our lives. :p

I don't even like 99% of dubstep, I think it's shitty because of oversaturation. Skrillex isn't even traditional dubstep, he's a sub-genre of dubstep. But that's semantics and besides the point.

By definition its definition, dubstep is music. I actually hate the narrow minded definition of music most people abide by, since it excludes atmospheric tracks (like the original Fallout 1997 soundtrack for example) from being defined as music because they lack a melody or harmony. But even that somewhat limited definition of music includes dubstep. You can bitch and moan all you want, but it's not about opinions here.

Hey! say what you will but that Fallout thing might not be my cup oh tea but it does convey certain emotions...some I might not care for but the conveyance is there. That I would consider music but dubstep still NO. Go figure or don't , it's your life.

Reading through more of your messages, anything you don't like is not considered music to you.

Not liking something doesn't change its definition (that's like saying "I don't like sausages, therefor sausages aren't food").

By the dictionary definition of music, dubstep is music. Accept it, or bury your head in the sand and suffocate in ignorance.

I'm tired of arguing. Let's just leave this be, I say it isn't, you say it is. I don't care anymore.

You missed the point. Was saying that without that fact that he needed to die for simply moving on with the plot he wouldnt of loss

I assume the witch that causes the plague?