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#10 - comicexplain (07/25/2016) [-]
Wonder Woman is, however.
#65 - lotrfan (07/25/2016) [-]
Completely agree. Batman's biggest strength and weakness imo is his inability to kill. While it shows how strong his moral code is, and it keeps him from ever stepping down a bad path, it also leaves his villains with an advantage that allows them to come back and kill over and over again. He even knows that he could save a lot of lives if he did kill the Joker for example. But to do so would be to compromise his own code. No character is as stubborn as the Bat.
#61 - anon (07/25/2016) [-]
Not sure, but think that whole comic was imaginary. But as said, not sure.
I do know why he did it, though:
- Joker almost succeeds killing Super's family
- Gets stopped with help from Batman
- Super almos succeedst killing Joker in a fit of terror
- Gets stopped wih help from Batman
- Batman tells superman he's better than killing someone else
- Superman blames Batman for his no-kill code; Joker has targeted his family
- Inattentively calls him "Bruce"
- Joker hears it and despairs, losing his cool; the illusion is broken.
- Batman and Joker in police car
- Joker tries to piss off Batman, doesn't work as usual, until...
- He hints that he's now going to become more destructive now that playing with Batman is no longer worth it as he's lost his purpose.
- Tells Batman in a perverted manner how "children squirm in a special way" or something when they get killed, hinting he will specifically go after Super's child from now on.
- Joker gets his crick in the neck sorted out with help from Batman
- Batman turns himself in with help from Batman
- Super walks through prison wall and hugs Batman
#67 - lotrfan (07/25/2016) [-]
Pretty much exactly right. This was a dream sequence that Superman has in the Injustice comics. This is after the whole situation went down much differently. Joker did succeed in killing Supe's family along with all of Metropolis Nuke + heart rate monitor in Lois + fear toxin that made Supes think he was fighting Doomsday . Superman goes Mortal Kombat on Joker literally drives his fist straight through Jokers heart. Batman disagrees with Superman becoming a murderer. No one really on Bats side. Superman starts trying to end all war, essentially taking over the planet in an effort to make sure no one ever causes the kind of destruction his city faced. Superman becomes mad with power and Batman tries to fight him. Batman loses over and over again. At one point Batman uses magic to put Superman in a coma, where he has a dream... this is that dream
#66 - lotrfan (07/25/2016) [-]
Yeah, to me it's the Civil war equivalent for DC comics. And since it's a separate universe, the writers can kill off as many characters as they want, and those deaths actually matter. Nothing has hit me harder than Green Arrow... and then even worse, Black Canary. Glad they got a happy ending thanks to the good Doctor Fate
#43 - comicexplain (07/25/2016) [-]
Hey-o! I mentioned this a few times below, yes - I was reading up, and only just stopped at yours. It's very true that he's lifted his 'no gun, no killing' rule in an -amazing- fashion against Darksied, deciding that the universe itself was far, far bigger than his own personal hang-ups. However, if Thor only acted when Darksied-tier events happened about, the many worlds would eat themselves up from the inside out - One exceptional case is not enough to allow him to lift the hammer.
However, he's proven himself a damn fine leader; he's mastered the art, and continues to master the many arts of humanity, including how to lead others. As such, you're completely correct about being the better leader of both verse'. But he simply is not worthy.
It helps that he himself fears power, and wishes to obtain all he has the human way - And would resent the need to hold the power of Thor!
#48 - joekerr (07/25/2016) [-]
First reluctantly, now without restraint: I agree.
I also agree wholeheartedly on the Wonder Woman thing.
On another point: Superman should be able to wield Mjolnir. If not due to being worthy, just due to the sheer amount of physical force he can apply (same reason Hulk could). And I think there's some quanto-physics with both going on ... Mjolnir staying in one palce in the universe and some theories of Superman changing his position in the universe.
This is turning out interesting.
#77 - comicexplain (07/26/2016) [-]
The issue with that is, Hulk should not have been able to lift it up through pure Physical might, and even now I suspect his little-know lesser secondary power was the one that really made him able to carry it - The Hulk has the power of Adaption, not unlike Darwin, where in he is capable to adjusting himself. This allows him to do things like grow gills while stuck under water, grow thicker skin when blasted with heat, and perhaps, re-align his spirit to trick the hammer into believing he was almost worthy, which allowed him to (Strainiously) hold the hammer.
That's my thoughts on it - Because the Hammer is a meta-force, beyond the physical - It's power isn't its weight, it's the fact that it's a fixed point in space in of itself, which, when taking it's legitiment weight into account, feels like it would have the pressure/immovability as the whole of the universe, plus a black hole or two. However, writers needed an out, and chose to lessen this over time for their benefit.
That being said, a fully powered superman might be able to struggle with the hammer for a while - But the thing has a mind of its own, and would likely compensate, adding even -more- pressure down. Which is a funny thought in of itself!
#22 - anon (07/25/2016) [-]
Of course, his specialty is "the 3rd option", would probably backfire in this case.
#21 - anon (07/25/2016) [-]
Whaaaat? Batman is totally the type of character who would be forced into that type of situation, saves the kids and then feels really bad for taking that guy's life.
He'll go into depression for a couple chapters, living as a hermit, wolverine style, but then he's at a bar and sees "Gotham crime very high"
and then he sobers up and- well you can pretty much guess how it ends
I'm surprised they haven't made that one yet.
#39 - comicexplain (07/25/2016) [-]
Not quite! I mentioned in a lower comment that he's willing to shoot Darksied, putting away his own petty hangups for the greater good by -using a gun to kill-, but there's no 'depression' about it. Batman is not, and has never been a petty human being - He's a true warrior through and through, as well as a master detective. From his standpoint, barring the absolute -need- to kill, he won't. There's always a third option, for those clever enough to find them. And that's the option he takes!
But if he did end up killing someone, forced into a strange situation that plot armor won't save him from, he -will- allow himself to become a murderer, and focus on the fact the kids were now safe (He has a thing for keeping children safe). Maybe someone will bring it up, but he'll state clearly he did what he had to do. He doesn't drink, however, so maybe not a bar. It might be a thorn on his history for many years, but he'll own up to it, and accept the facts.
He's a detective, after all. It's what he's designed to do!
#33 - comicexplain (07/25/2016) [-]
That is also true! As noted in his fight against Darksied, when he had a bullet that could kill him, he took the shot - He wasn't about to risk the entire universe over his own childhood hangups, and almost killed him with a gun.
It would have been amazing, and shown that, when things are bigger than even the Batman, he's willing to take that extra step when dealing with an abysmal force. However, that's not quite enough! If Thor only acted when the large threats came about, the worlds would eat themselves from the inside out!
#62 - angelious (07/25/2016) [-]
also he did kinda threathern to nuke metropolis when an alien civilization had taken over all superpowered aliens on earth...
but still, he wouldnt be worthy to wield the hammer because of his OTHER issues...mainly shit like insanity and tinkering at the brink of becoming a lawful joker.
#18 - afrikaner (07/25/2016) [-]
uhmmm batman had the opportunity many times to end the life of one individual/s that afterwards and before that killed many innocent people . But he chose to try and rehabilitate them via an insane asylum. Thus because of his actions he caused those deaths . Some of those people was even close to him . Dont even start telling me that this is a better way because even batman knew that most of these criminals were cold and emotionless killers . I am a batman fan so this is probably bait , but please if your trying to make a point at least understand the complexities of those characters you want to make a point on .
#78 - afrikaner (13 hours ago) [-]
Im talking about worth not morality . How do you define the worth of a true hero or leader ? You cannot determine this without taking into consideration their actions as that is the only way we as an observer can judge the worth of the individual . Mjolnir decides who is worthy to essentially have the power of thor or can be translated into is worthy of being a god .
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