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#239 - I really don't care what you do to your body. That's your choi… 09/26/2012 on YOLO 0
#238 - Yes, because more people drink than smoke pot. It do… 09/26/2012 on YOLO 0
#236 - ....*make something legal... 09/26/2012 on YOLO 0
#235 - Oh yeah, because stoners are totally gonna pay off the trillio…  [+] (7 new replies) 09/26/2012 on YOLO 0
User avatar #243 - buttgauges (09/26/2012) [-]
3.) I can't remember the percentages, but kids are saying they can find marijuana much easier than they can alcohol. Legal, controlled substances are wayy harder to get than ones that are not controlled.


4.) It will actually create jobs for those poor people you were concerned about previously. Now your poor people have even more opportunities!

5.) Although the cartel will still be somewhat there, massive amounts of crime related to it will drop.

6.) People can actually use it for therapeutically reasons without needing a doctor or physician to order it to them. Marijuana actually can HELP people and with it being legalized, they don't have to go through the process of getting permission.
From experience, my step father had horrible anxiety and wasn't prescribed marijuana because of some health factors they thought would "counter it". So he went and got some himself and it actually improved his behavior a lot more.



There's more I could pull from my brain but I have a plane to catch in 5 hours and it's not worth my time.
User avatar #245 - Deeticky (09/26/2012) [-]
So, now you're agreeing with my cartel statement that was in my other post that you had previously disagreed with?

....Are you debating with me just for the sake of arguing?

I really don't look forward to having high workers perform my services.

It helped your father with his anxiety. I'm happy for him. But you must understand that if it helped your father with his mental issues, it has created mental issues for others. It is a mind altering substance and some people can't control themselves on it. Innocents die, And that's not ok.

I should get to bed! I have a full day with my girlfriend tomorrow! (She quit weed after realizing how awful the other smokers were.)

Have fun on your trip, and fly safe!
User avatar #240 - buttgauges (09/26/2012) [-]
I don't recall saying it would get us out of debt. But I DID say it'd be a huge income. So you would reject ideas with revenue that isn't substantial enough to get us out of debt? Not even if it's just pure profit that would still help the country?

That's just silly. There isn't a single entity that can just magically get us out of debt- everything adds up.

And just because it's legal doesn't make it legal to EVERYONE. Aka minors/illegal residents/etc.

Ahh yes, I was waiting for you to ask me that! I actually JUST wrote a paper on this at the beginning of the term. I actually tried to do it from both perspectives, but I couldn't find enough solid information backing the anti-legalization side so I gave up on that. Everything I found was related to concern about health issues, but they had zero evidence of anything actually being harmed in the body from it. They have theories, but NO solid proof AT ALL. No deaths, no cancer, nothing. Just theories.

So I went to the pro-legalization side and took a look and I don't remember everything but here's a lot of the stuff I wrote about:

1.) Taxation, of course. I believe it was an estimated total of around 20-30 billion dollars of revenue each year. From not having to spend billions on prohibition campaigns and from just direct profit from the product/taxation and its bi products like hemp.

2.) TONS of money is spent to keep marijuana offenders behind bars... and there's wwaaaayyy more people in there for nonviolent acts such as possession than there are distribution. 100-150 billion dollars spent on arresting them... and that doesn't even account for the cost of actually keeping them locked up in federal prisons! 450 billion bucks there, wouldja believe it?

~CONTINUED~
User avatar #241 - Deeticky (09/26/2012) [-]
I find it hard to believe that you weren't able to find all of the articles on marijuana related homicides and car crashes.

It's funny that you did a paper for legalization. I made a speech about keeping it illegal.
User avatar #242 - buttgauges (09/26/2012) [-]
No, I did. I should have been more specific. There are no DIRECT deaths from marijuana.
So many things can cause homicides and car crashes. What about violent video games? People believe that those have caused people to do some pretty violent things- should those be outlawed as well?


My point is that marijuana has not directly effected anybody negatively, health-wise. I will repeat myself... there are theories but no EVIDENCE
User avatar #244 - Deeticky (09/26/2012) [-]
I never said that I believe that it harms people health wise.

Violent video games don't directly alter the chemicals in your brain. The comparison isn't valid.

Also, both of your reasons amount to "more money for the government."..While that is beneficial, and I agree that nonviolent offenders shouldn't be in jail. What about the violent offenders? You can say that it's their fault all you want, but that doesn't bring those dead people back to life. Those people would still be alive today if not for marijuana. Also, combining it with alcohol causes serious problems.
User avatar #236 - Deeticky (09/26/2012) [-]
....*make something legal...
#792 - I'm the exact same man. I don't smoke, and never will, because… 09/26/2012 on FUCK stoners 0
#284 - I believe that if Google's self driving car gets really big, m…  [+] (2 new replies) 09/26/2012 on This man is insane. 0
User avatar #286 - fjanony (09/27/2012) [-]
That's why I said it was just an example, besides scientists have proven marijuana can cure or stop cancer from spreading, helps asthmatics, and so on.
As for automatic driving, i think if it happened, speeding would be the thing of the future, since cars would be computer guided, and computers react much quicker and can communicate with eachother all the time, so cars could go really fast without any dangers of a crash.
User avatar #288 - Deeticky (09/29/2012) [-]
Marijuana cannot CURE cancer, but it can help in some cases. I never denied it has medicinal benefits. In fact, I wouldn't disagree with using it as a medicine for people who actually need it.

What I do not want is for it to get legalized for recreational purposes. I have many reasons, but the main one is that a decent number of people lose a lot of self control or good judgement while on it. Not ALL people, but a good amount.

I would also really like to avoid getting a contact high, and if people are smoking it around me, or in a club that i'm at, a contact high would be likely.

I hate the smell too man!
#232 - Also, I understand that legalizing marijuana would stop gangs …  [+] (9 new replies) 09/26/2012 on YOLO 0
User avatar #233 - buttgauges (09/26/2012) [-]
There are so many upsides for legalizing it. In the long run, it would create a HUGE income for the government from taxation. And no... unfortunately the gangs wouldn't stop selling it. There will still be a black market, the cartel wouldn't just vanish willingly at all.
User avatar #235 - Deeticky (09/26/2012) [-]
Oh yeah, because stoners are totally gonna pay off the trillions of dollars in debt.

You need to look at the big picture. Using taxation as a reason to make something like this illegal is somewhat valid, but wouldn't make a big difference in the gov's debt. It would only be another alcohol. I sure as hell wish regular alcohol was gone, and I do not want to live in a country with a second alcohol.

Also, how would the cartel make money on weed, when people can buy it legally? Would they sell it cheaper? Is a couple of bucks off of weed really worth possibly going to jail?

Poor people are the one's who really should not smoke weed. When you're high you cannot do your job as efficiently, and getting poor people into jobs should be a top priority.

Also, you say there are "so many" upsides top legalizing it. Please name them. That should be easy, considering how there are "so many".
User avatar #243 - buttgauges (09/26/2012) [-]
3.) I can't remember the percentages, but kids are saying they can find marijuana much easier than they can alcohol. Legal, controlled substances are wayy harder to get than ones that are not controlled.


4.) It will actually create jobs for those poor people you were concerned about previously. Now your poor people have even more opportunities!

5.) Although the cartel will still be somewhat there, massive amounts of crime related to it will drop.

6.) People can actually use it for therapeutically reasons without needing a doctor or physician to order it to them. Marijuana actually can HELP people and with it being legalized, they don't have to go through the process of getting permission.
From experience, my step father had horrible anxiety and wasn't prescribed marijuana because of some health factors they thought would "counter it". So he went and got some himself and it actually improved his behavior a lot more.



There's more I could pull from my brain but I have a plane to catch in 5 hours and it's not worth my time.
User avatar #245 - Deeticky (09/26/2012) [-]
So, now you're agreeing with my cartel statement that was in my other post that you had previously disagreed with?

....Are you debating with me just for the sake of arguing?

I really don't look forward to having high workers perform my services.

It helped your father with his anxiety. I'm happy for him. But you must understand that if it helped your father with his mental issues, it has created mental issues for others. It is a mind altering substance and some people can't control themselves on it. Innocents die, And that's not ok.

I should get to bed! I have a full day with my girlfriend tomorrow! (She quit weed after realizing how awful the other smokers were.)

Have fun on your trip, and fly safe!
User avatar #240 - buttgauges (09/26/2012) [-]
I don't recall saying it would get us out of debt. But I DID say it'd be a huge income. So you would reject ideas with revenue that isn't substantial enough to get us out of debt? Not even if it's just pure profit that would still help the country?

That's just silly. There isn't a single entity that can just magically get us out of debt- everything adds up.

And just because it's legal doesn't make it legal to EVERYONE. Aka minors/illegal residents/etc.

Ahh yes, I was waiting for you to ask me that! I actually JUST wrote a paper on this at the beginning of the term. I actually tried to do it from both perspectives, but I couldn't find enough solid information backing the anti-legalization side so I gave up on that. Everything I found was related to concern about health issues, but they had zero evidence of anything actually being harmed in the body from it. They have theories, but NO solid proof AT ALL. No deaths, no cancer, nothing. Just theories.

So I went to the pro-legalization side and took a look and I don't remember everything but here's a lot of the stuff I wrote about:

1.) Taxation, of course. I believe it was an estimated total of around 20-30 billion dollars of revenue each year. From not having to spend billions on prohibition campaigns and from just direct profit from the product/taxation and its bi products like hemp.

2.) TONS of money is spent to keep marijuana offenders behind bars... and there's wwaaaayyy more people in there for nonviolent acts such as possession than there are distribution. 100-150 billion dollars spent on arresting them... and that doesn't even account for the cost of actually keeping them locked up in federal prisons! 450 billion bucks there, wouldja believe it?

~CONTINUED~
User avatar #241 - Deeticky (09/26/2012) [-]
I find it hard to believe that you weren't able to find all of the articles on marijuana related homicides and car crashes.

It's funny that you did a paper for legalization. I made a speech about keeping it illegal.
User avatar #242 - buttgauges (09/26/2012) [-]
No, I did. I should have been more specific. There are no DIRECT deaths from marijuana.
So many things can cause homicides and car crashes. What about violent video games? People believe that those have caused people to do some pretty violent things- should those be outlawed as well?


My point is that marijuana has not directly effected anybody negatively, health-wise. I will repeat myself... there are theories but no EVIDENCE
User avatar #244 - Deeticky (09/26/2012) [-]
I never said that I believe that it harms people health wise.

Violent video games don't directly alter the chemicals in your brain. The comparison isn't valid.

Also, both of your reasons amount to "more money for the government."..While that is beneficial, and I agree that nonviolent offenders shouldn't be in jail. What about the violent offenders? You can say that it's their fault all you want, but that doesn't bring those dead people back to life. Those people would still be alive today if not for marijuana. Also, combining it with alcohol causes serious problems.
User avatar #236 - Deeticky (09/26/2012) [-]
....*make something legal...
#231 - I wish getting drunk was illegal too. Not drinking, but gettin…  [+] (2 new replies) 09/26/2012 on YOLO 0
User avatar #234 - buttgauges (09/26/2012) [-]
There are so many more cases of violence from alcohol v.s. marijuana. Plus, marijuana cannot straight out kill you, you cannot overdose. But you can drink yourself to death.
I honestly don't care what you personally have experienced. I have experienced the exact opposite from you as have so many other people.
Rapes/murders/assults/etc etc are the results of MANY people's drunken state. You would find... countless cases of it dealing with alcohol than pot.
User avatar #238 - Deeticky (09/26/2012) [-]
Yes, because more people drink than smoke pot.

It doesn't surprise me that you don't care what has happened to me. I care about you, as a fellow human being, but most stoners only care about themselves, and not the rest of society. Doesn't surprise me at all.
#230 - Of course it does. ALL means 100%. Non trust able smokers exis…  [+] (2 new replies) 09/26/2012 on YOLO 0
User avatar #248 - uhidk (09/26/2012) [-]
that's what i meant.

of course not all smokers are trustable.
User avatar #249 - Deeticky (09/26/2012) [-]
Oh, ok then. We agree on that.
#154 - Also, every smoker I've met except one is an unproductive pers… 09/25/2012 on YOLO +1
#152 - Oh, ok. Well, that's good that you can trust some smokers. But…  [+] (4 new replies) 09/25/2012 on YOLO 0
User avatar #168 - uhidk (09/25/2012) [-]
of course not.
User avatar #230 - Deeticky (09/26/2012) [-]
Of course it does. ALL means 100%. Non trust able smokers exist. Therefore NOT ALL smokers are trust able.
User avatar #248 - uhidk (09/26/2012) [-]
that's what i meant.

of course not all smokers are trustable.
User avatar #249 - Deeticky (09/26/2012) [-]
Oh, ok then. We agree on that.
#151 - Calling me closed minded just because I don't agree with you d…  [+] (2 new replies) 09/25/2012 on YOLO +1
#237 - Ken M (09/26/2012) [-]
All the others who make bad decisions when under the influence are responsible for their own actions, not me. You talk like legalizing it would cause mass usage and some kind of traffic epidemic killing millions of people. Look at Holland, are the car crash rates so big there then? Are people walking down the streets like zombies and making dumb decisions that have ruin their lives? Is the populace hooked on marijuana and the country slowly dying? Or what about Portugal where they decriminalized drugs? The marijuana usage actually dropped there.
People are not sheep, as you make them up to be. We all have out own head to think with, our own lives that we run and we all should be able decide for ourselves, whether or not to use marijuana. Just because you believe that people are stupid and they should be treated like little children, does not make it so.
And you know what, you can die from a caffeine over dose, people do every year. Coffee ruins lives, think about the ones who have died because of it, the families that have lost a kid, or the provider, and are now broke. Should we now ban caffeine? Should I not be able to drink coffee anymore because some idiot decided to drink too much of it? No, because it is not logical, just like it is not logical to ban marijuana because some idiot might decide to drive while high.
User avatar #239 - Deeticky (09/26/2012) [-]
I really don't care what you do to your body. That's your choice.

When it impacts innocent people though, I care. Those people didn't deserve to die, or get raped, and they wouldn't have if not for pot.

Look at Holland's education system. That's why they're better. An HS diploma in the US is worth next to nothing when it comes to your decision making skills, as US schools have to cater to good test scores instead of good education.

Also, they have fewer guns, and fewer people in poverty. Weed alone isn't the problem, it's when all these factors combine with weed that it's a problem.

If you truly don't believe that people are sheep, try looking at our country in the years directly following 9/11. The people ate up everything that the media and government threw at them. Violence was directed toward innocent Muslims, and people died in those attacks. Just because you are not a sheep doesn't mean others are.

If marijuana was the most lethal drug in the world to the user, but people used it, I wouldn't care as long as they didn't hurt others. Unfortunately that's not the case. Marijuana is the exact opposite. The users are not hurt, but people around them are.
#336 - Nice. 09/25/2012 on rammstein 0
#102 - ....*stop most people from abusing... 09/25/2012 on YOLO 0
#100 - Spoken like a true smoker. They always give me that same argum…  [+] (21 new replies) 09/25/2012 on YOLO +2
User avatar #157 - buttgauges (09/25/2012) [-]
tehe I always find it funny when people try to say they're protecting the masses from themselves while so many more car accidents are caused by people who consume alcohol, something completely legal.

Please, they aren't doing it to protect the masses. The drug cartels pay biiig money to the government, whether you like to believe it or not. You know what happens when weed becomes legal? The government can tax it! And ya know what else that means? It becomes MUCH more restricted considering the government controls it. That = huge drop in cash income from cartel.
Sure there will be a black market, there always will be. But it will be drastically decreased.

So annoyed of hearing this stupid bullshit excuse of them trying to "protect us" when marijuana is a completely natural plant that has caused no direct deaths.
User avatar #232 - Deeticky (09/26/2012) [-]
Also, I understand that legalizing marijuana would stop gangs from selling it for the most part. I feel like that would be the only upside to legalizing it.
User avatar #233 - buttgauges (09/26/2012) [-]
There are so many upsides for legalizing it. In the long run, it would create a HUGE income for the government from taxation. And no... unfortunately the gangs wouldn't stop selling it. There will still be a black market, the cartel wouldn't just vanish willingly at all.
User avatar #235 - Deeticky (09/26/2012) [-]
Oh yeah, because stoners are totally gonna pay off the trillions of dollars in debt.

You need to look at the big picture. Using taxation as a reason to make something like this illegal is somewhat valid, but wouldn't make a big difference in the gov's debt. It would only be another alcohol. I sure as hell wish regular alcohol was gone, and I do not want to live in a country with a second alcohol.

Also, how would the cartel make money on weed, when people can buy it legally? Would they sell it cheaper? Is a couple of bucks off of weed really worth possibly going to jail?

Poor people are the one's who really should not smoke weed. When you're high you cannot do your job as efficiently, and getting poor people into jobs should be a top priority.

Also, you say there are "so many" upsides top legalizing it. Please name them. That should be easy, considering how there are "so many".
User avatar #243 - buttgauges (09/26/2012) [-]
3.) I can't remember the percentages, but kids are saying they can find marijuana much easier than they can alcohol. Legal, controlled substances are wayy harder to get than ones that are not controlled.


4.) It will actually create jobs for those poor people you were concerned about previously. Now your poor people have even more opportunities!

5.) Although the cartel will still be somewhat there, massive amounts of crime related to it will drop.

6.) People can actually use it for therapeutically reasons without needing a doctor or physician to order it to them. Marijuana actually can HELP people and with it being legalized, they don't have to go through the process of getting permission.
From experience, my step father had horrible anxiety and wasn't prescribed marijuana because of some health factors they thought would "counter it". So he went and got some himself and it actually improved his behavior a lot more.



There's more I could pull from my brain but I have a plane to catch in 5 hours and it's not worth my time.
User avatar #245 - Deeticky (09/26/2012) [-]
So, now you're agreeing with my cartel statement that was in my other post that you had previously disagreed with?

....Are you debating with me just for the sake of arguing?

I really don't look forward to having high workers perform my services.

It helped your father with his anxiety. I'm happy for him. But you must understand that if it helped your father with his mental issues, it has created mental issues for others. It is a mind altering substance and some people can't control themselves on it. Innocents die, And that's not ok.

I should get to bed! I have a full day with my girlfriend tomorrow! (She quit weed after realizing how awful the other smokers were.)

Have fun on your trip, and fly safe!
User avatar #240 - buttgauges (09/26/2012) [-]
I don't recall saying it would get us out of debt. But I DID say it'd be a huge income. So you would reject ideas with revenue that isn't substantial enough to get us out of debt? Not even if it's just pure profit that would still help the country?

That's just silly. There isn't a single entity that can just magically get us out of debt- everything adds up.

And just because it's legal doesn't make it legal to EVERYONE. Aka minors/illegal residents/etc.

Ahh yes, I was waiting for you to ask me that! I actually JUST wrote a paper on this at the beginning of the term. I actually tried to do it from both perspectives, but I couldn't find enough solid information backing the anti-legalization side so I gave up on that. Everything I found was related to concern about health issues, but they had zero evidence of anything actually being harmed in the body from it. They have theories, but NO solid proof AT ALL. No deaths, no cancer, nothing. Just theories.

So I went to the pro-legalization side and took a look and I don't remember everything but here's a lot of the stuff I wrote about:

1.) Taxation, of course. I believe it was an estimated total of around 20-30 billion dollars of revenue each year. From not having to spend billions on prohibition campaigns and from just direct profit from the product/taxation and its bi products like hemp.

2.) TONS of money is spent to keep marijuana offenders behind bars... and there's wwaaaayyy more people in there for nonviolent acts such as possession than there are distribution. 100-150 billion dollars spent on arresting them... and that doesn't even account for the cost of actually keeping them locked up in federal prisons! 450 billion bucks there, wouldja believe it?

~CONTINUED~
User avatar #241 - Deeticky (09/26/2012) [-]
I find it hard to believe that you weren't able to find all of the articles on marijuana related homicides and car crashes.

It's funny that you did a paper for legalization. I made a speech about keeping it illegal.
User avatar #242 - buttgauges (09/26/2012) [-]
No, I did. I should have been more specific. There are no DIRECT deaths from marijuana.
So many things can cause homicides and car crashes. What about violent video games? People believe that those have caused people to do some pretty violent things- should those be outlawed as well?


My point is that marijuana has not directly effected anybody negatively, health-wise. I will repeat myself... there are theories but no EVIDENCE
User avatar #244 - Deeticky (09/26/2012) [-]
I never said that I believe that it harms people health wise.

Violent video games don't directly alter the chemicals in your brain. The comparison isn't valid.

Also, both of your reasons amount to "more money for the government."..While that is beneficial, and I agree that nonviolent offenders shouldn't be in jail. What about the violent offenders? You can say that it's their fault all you want, but that doesn't bring those dead people back to life. Those people would still be alive today if not for marijuana. Also, combining it with alcohol causes serious problems.
User avatar #236 - Deeticky (09/26/2012) [-]
....*make something legal...
User avatar #231 - Deeticky (09/26/2012) [-]
I wish getting drunk was illegal too. Not drinking, but getting drunk. It causes people to do the same stupid stuff that weed does.

I have witnessed someone get beaten by a stoner, and have been assaulted by one myself. That person probably wouldn't have hurt anyone if not for the drugs. I knew them.
User avatar #234 - buttgauges (09/26/2012) [-]
There are so many more cases of violence from alcohol v.s. marijuana. Plus, marijuana cannot straight out kill you, you cannot overdose. But you can drink yourself to death.
I honestly don't care what you personally have experienced. I have experienced the exact opposite from you as have so many other people.
Rapes/murders/assults/etc etc are the results of MANY people's drunken state. You would find... countless cases of it dealing with alcohol than pot.
User avatar #238 - Deeticky (09/26/2012) [-]
Yes, because more people drink than smoke pot.

It doesn't surprise me that you don't care what has happened to me. I care about you, as a fellow human being, but most stoners only care about themselves, and not the rest of society. Doesn't surprise me at all.
User avatar #158 - buttgauges (09/25/2012) [-]
*huge drop in income FOR cartel, not from.
#115 - Ken M (09/25/2012) [-]
Spoken like a truly close minded person.
Who are you or anyone else to protect people from themselves aka make decisions for them?
Laws are suppose to cater all productive members of society, may they be altering their minds with substances or not. By your logic, the laws are not made for the majority of people, who wake up and drink that first cup of coffee, that helps them get through the day, by altering their minds. Much like a marijuana cigarette helps people relax after the day is over.
And no, I honestly cannot agree with you that most people lose some if not all of their good judgment while high. It is not heroin, you do not become a zombie, you are a bit happier, thoughtful and have slower reflexes. If someone comes up to you and says "Hey, lets go run trough the town naked and then murder someone." you are not going to do it. You are still conscious, you are still you.
User avatar #154 - Deeticky (09/25/2012) [-]
Also, every smoker I've met except one is an unproductive person. This of course, does not mean that all smokers are unproductive, but the smoker stereotype is that they are unproductive, and that has proved itself to be true for me.
User avatar #151 - Deeticky (09/25/2012) [-]
Calling me closed minded just because I don't agree with you doesn't make it so.


Maybe YOU are that way, but what about all the others who make bad decisions when under the influence? Caffeine doesn't alter anyone's mind to the same extent that marijuana does. Alcohol would be a better comparison.

Maybe the stoners you've met are different than the ones that I've met, and that's making you biased in the same way that the stoners that I have met are bad people and that has made me biased.
#237 - Ken M (09/26/2012) [-]
All the others who make bad decisions when under the influence are responsible for their own actions, not me. You talk like legalizing it would cause mass usage and some kind of traffic epidemic killing millions of people. Look at Holland, are the car crash rates so big there then? Are people walking down the streets like zombies and making dumb decisions that have ruin their lives? Is the populace hooked on marijuana and the country slowly dying? Or what about Portugal where they decriminalized drugs? The marijuana usage actually dropped there.
People are not sheep, as you make them up to be. We all have out own head to think with, our own lives that we run and we all should be able decide for ourselves, whether or not to use marijuana. Just because you believe that people are stupid and they should be treated like little children, does not make it so.
And you know what, you can die from a caffeine over dose, people do every year. Coffee ruins lives, think about the ones who have died because of it, the families that have lost a kid, or the provider, and are now broke. Should we now ban caffeine? Should I not be able to drink coffee anymore because some idiot decided to drink too much of it? No, because it is not logical, just like it is not logical to ban marijuana because some idiot might decide to drive while high.
User avatar #239 - Deeticky (09/26/2012) [-]
I really don't care what you do to your body. That's your choice.

When it impacts innocent people though, I care. Those people didn't deserve to die, or get raped, and they wouldn't have if not for pot.

Look at Holland's education system. That's why they're better. An HS diploma in the US is worth next to nothing when it comes to your decision making skills, as US schools have to cater to good test scores instead of good education.

Also, they have fewer guns, and fewer people in poverty. Weed alone isn't the problem, it's when all these factors combine with weed that it's a problem.

If you truly don't believe that people are sheep, try looking at our country in the years directly following 9/11. The people ate up everything that the media and government threw at them. Violence was directed toward innocent Muslims, and people died in those attacks. Just because you are not a sheep doesn't mean others are.

If marijuana was the most lethal drug in the world to the user, but people used it, I wouldn't care as long as they didn't hurt others. Unfortunately that's not the case. Marijuana is the exact opposite. The users are not hurt, but people around them are.
User avatar #102 - Deeticky (09/25/2012) [-]
....*stop most people from abusing...
#95 - uhhh....I don't see your point?  [+] (6 new replies) 09/25/2012 on YOLO 0
User avatar #109 - uhidk (09/25/2012) [-]
you said i can't trust people to use it correctly.

i listed a bunch of people that i can trust to use it correctly.
User avatar #152 - Deeticky (09/25/2012) [-]
Oh, ok. Well, that's good that you can trust some smokers. But the fact that I have experienced so many bad things as a result of people being under the influence proves that not all smokers are trust able.
User avatar #168 - uhidk (09/25/2012) [-]
of course not.
User avatar #230 - Deeticky (09/26/2012) [-]
Of course it does. ALL means 100%. Non trust able smokers exist. Therefore NOT ALL smokers are trust able.
User avatar #248 - uhidk (09/26/2012) [-]
that's what i meant.

of course not all smokers are trustable.
User avatar #249 - Deeticky (09/26/2012) [-]
Oh, ok then. We agree on that.
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User avatar #80 - uhidk (09/25/2012) [-]
you're right, i can't trust anybody that smokes weed.

not even myself.
or my mother, father, brother, sister, family friends, other relatives and every other responsible pot smoker in the world.




User avatar #95 - Deeticky (09/25/2012) [-]
uhhh....I don't see your point?
User avatar #109 - uhidk (09/25/2012) [-]
you said i can't trust people to use it correctly.

i listed a bunch of people that i can trust to use it correctly.
User avatar #152 - Deeticky (09/25/2012) [-]
Oh, ok. Well, that's good that you can trust some smokers. But the fact that I have experienced so many bad things as a result of people being under the influence proves that not all smokers are trust able.
User avatar #168 - uhidk (09/25/2012) [-]
of course not.
User avatar #230 - Deeticky (09/26/2012) [-]
Of course it does. ALL means 100%. Non trust able smokers exist. Therefore NOT ALL smokers are trust able.
User avatar #248 - uhidk (09/26/2012) [-]
that's what i meant.

of course not all smokers are trustable.
User avatar #249 - Deeticky (09/26/2012) [-]
Oh, ok then. We agree on that.
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User avatar #76 - uhidk (09/25/2012) [-]
it's only harmful to others if you actively seek to harm people while under the influence.

it's not gonna drive you to kill by itself.
User avatar #79 - Deeticky (09/25/2012) [-]
Well of course not, but you can't trust people to use it correctly.

This is why many developed countries other than the U.S. make it hard to get guns. They aren't dangerous by themselves, but when in the hands of dumbasses, they cause harm.
User avatar #80 - uhidk (09/25/2012) [-]
you're right, i can't trust anybody that smokes weed.

not even myself.
or my mother, father, brother, sister, family friends, other relatives and every other responsible pot smoker in the world.




User avatar #95 - Deeticky (09/25/2012) [-]
uhhh....I don't see your point?
User avatar #109 - uhidk (09/25/2012) [-]
you said i can't trust people to use it correctly.

i listed a bunch of people that i can trust to use it correctly.
User avatar #152 - Deeticky (09/25/2012) [-]
Oh, ok. Well, that's good that you can trust some smokers. But the fact that I have experienced so many bad things as a result of people being under the influence proves that not all smokers are trust able.
User avatar #168 - uhidk (09/25/2012) [-]
of course not.
User avatar #230 - Deeticky (09/26/2012) [-]
Of course it does. ALL means 100%. Non trust able smokers exist. Therefore NOT ALL smokers are trust able.
User avatar #248 - uhidk (09/26/2012) [-]
that's what i meant.

of course not all smokers are trustable.
User avatar #249 - Deeticky (09/26/2012) [-]
Oh, ok then. We agree on that.
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#84 - Ken M (09/25/2012) [-]
Why should I not blame the people who ban it? They are punishing me for other people's mistakes. I am not responsible for a person who does bad things while high, the person himself is to blame and has to take responsibility for his own actions.
I am a free person and should be able to do whatever I like, as long as I do not harm anyone with it.
The law was made by the people who banned it. They made me into a criminal even though I have done nothing wrong. That law was made by morality, and one`s personal view of a subject should not stop a free person from doing something he loves if it does not harm anyone.
Smoking marijuana makes some people do bad things, but the great majority get joy out of it without harming anyone. I do not see why the many have to sacrifice for the few who are stupid and irresponsible. If that logic applied to other aspects of our daily life, we would be stripped of even the most common services and products, let alone technologies and culture that drives our civilization forwards. Why should marijuana be an exception?
User avatar #100 - Deeticky (09/25/2012) [-]
Spoken like a true smoker. They always give me that same argument.

What if you suddenly had a child? Would you still smoke?

Do you know how you would act in certain situations while high?

What if somebody comes to you with a stupid idea while your high? Would you say no to it? Would you?

Most people lose some if not all of their good judgment while high. Maybe you don't, and that's good for you, but laws were made to cater to people of sound mind, not people who alter their mind by using substances.

Everybody's brain is different, therefore everybody reacts to the green drug and other drugs differently.

I am very sorry that the law makes you a criminal when you aren't hurting anyone, but it is the way it is to protect the masses from themselves. If you could somehow stop people from abusing drugs, then we will legalize them. Until then, we are just doing what we can to protect ourselves and others.
User avatar #157 - buttgauges (09/25/2012) [-]
tehe I always find it funny when people try to say they're protecting the masses from themselves while so many more car accidents are caused by people who consume alcohol, something completely legal.

Please, they aren't doing it to protect the masses. The drug cartels pay biiig money to the government, whether you like to believe it or not. You know what happens when weed becomes legal? The government can tax it! And ya know what else that means? It becomes MUCH more restricted considering the government controls it. That = huge drop in cash income from cartel.
Sure there will be a black market, there always will be. But it will be drastically decreased.

So annoyed of hearing this stupid bullshit excuse of them trying to "protect us" when marijuana is a completely natural plant that has caused no direct deaths.
User avatar #232 - Deeticky (09/26/2012) [-]
Also, I understand that legalizing marijuana would stop gangs from selling it for the most part. I feel like that would be the only upside to legalizing it.
User avatar #233 - buttgauges (09/26/2012) [-]
There are so many upsides for legalizing it. In the long run, it would create a HUGE income for the government from taxation. And no... unfortunately the gangs wouldn't stop selling it. There will still be a black market, the cartel wouldn't just vanish willingly at all.
User avatar #235 - Deeticky (09/26/2012) [-]
Oh yeah, because stoners are totally gonna pay off the trillions of dollars in debt.

You need to look at the big picture. Using taxation as a reason to make something like this illegal is somewhat valid, but wouldn't make a big difference in the gov's debt. It would only be another alcohol. I sure as hell wish regular alcohol was gone, and I do not want to live in a country with a second alcohol.

Also, how would the cartel make money on weed, when people can buy it legally? Would they sell it cheaper? Is a couple of bucks off of weed really worth possibly going to jail?

Poor people are the one's who really should not smoke weed. When you're high you cannot do your job as efficiently, and getting poor people into jobs should be a top priority.

Also, you say there are "so many" upsides top legalizing it. Please name them. That should be easy, considering how there are "so many".
User avatar #243 - buttgauges (09/26/2012) [-]
3.) I can't remember the percentages, but kids are saying they can find marijuana much easier than they can alcohol. Legal, controlled substances are wayy harder to get than ones that are not controlled.


4.) It will actually create jobs for those poor people you were concerned about previously. Now your poor people have even more opportunities!

5.) Although the cartel will still be somewhat there, massive amounts of crime related to it will drop.

6.) People can actually use it for therapeutically reasons without needing a doctor or physician to order it to them. Marijuana actually can HELP people and with it being legalized, they don't have to go through the process of getting permission.
From experience, my step father had horrible anxiety and wasn't prescribed marijuana because of some health factors they thought would "counter it". So he went and got some himself and it actually improved his behavior a lot more.



There's more I could pull from my brain but I have a plane to catch in 5 hours and it's not worth my time.
User avatar #245 - Deeticky (09/26/2012) [-]
So, now you're agreeing with my cartel statement that was in my other post that you had previously disagreed with?

....Are you debating with me just for the sake of arguing?

I really don't look forward to having high workers perform my services.

It helped your father with his anxiety. I'm happy for him. But you must understand that if it helped your father with his mental issues, it has created mental issues for others. It is a mind altering substance and some people can't control themselves on it. Innocents die, And that's not ok.

I should get to bed! I have a full day with my girlfriend tomorrow! (She quit weed after realizing how awful the other smokers were.)

Have fun on your trip, and fly safe!
User avatar #240 - buttgauges (09/26/2012) [-]
I don't recall saying it would get us out of debt. But I DID say it'd be a huge income. So you would reject ideas with revenue that isn't substantial enough to get us out of debt? Not even if it's just pure profit that would still help the country?

That's just silly. There isn't a single entity that can just magically get us out of debt- everything adds up.

And just because it's legal doesn't make it legal to EVERYONE. Aka minors/illegal residents/etc.

Ahh yes, I was waiting for you to ask me that! I actually JUST wrote a paper on this at the beginning of the term. I actually tried to do it from both perspectives, but I couldn't find enough solid information backing the anti-legalization side so I gave up on that. Everything I found was related to concern about health issues, but they had zero evidence of anything actually being harmed in the body from it. They have theories, but NO solid proof AT ALL. No deaths, no cancer, nothing. Just theories.

So I went to the pro-legalization side and took a look and I don't remember everything but here's a lot of the stuff I wrote about:

1.) Taxation, of course. I believe it was an estimated total of around 20-30 billion dollars of revenue each year. From not having to spend billions on prohibition campaigns and from just direct profit from the product/taxation and its bi products like hemp.

2.) TONS of money is spent to keep marijuana offenders behind bars... and there's wwaaaayyy more people in there for nonviolent acts such as possession than there are distribution. 100-150 billion dollars spent on arresting them... and that doesn't even account for the cost of actually keeping them locked up in federal prisons! 450 billion bucks there, wouldja believe it?

~CONTINUED~
User avatar #241 - Deeticky (09/26/2012) [-]
I find it hard to believe that you weren't able to find all of the articles on marijuana related homicides and car crashes.

It's funny that you did a paper for legalization. I made a speech about keeping it illegal.
User avatar #242 - buttgauges (09/26/2012) [-]
No, I did. I should have been more specific. There are no DIRECT deaths from marijuana.
So many things can cause homicides and car crashes. What about violent video games? People believe that those have caused people to do some pretty violent things- should those be outlawed as well?


My point is that marijuana has not directly effected anybody negatively, health-wise. I will repeat myself... there are theories but no EVIDENCE
User avatar #244 - Deeticky (09/26/2012) [-]
I never said that I believe that it harms people health wise.

Violent video games don't directly alter the chemicals in your brain. The comparison isn't valid.

Also, both of your reasons amount to "more money for the government."..While that is beneficial, and I agree that nonviolent offenders shouldn't be in jail. What about the violent offenders? You can say that it's their fault all you want, but that doesn't bring those dead people back to life. Those people would still be alive today if not for marijuana. Also, combining it with alcohol causes serious problems.
User avatar #236 - Deeticky (09/26/2012) [-]
....*make something legal...
User avatar #231 - Deeticky (09/26/2012) [-]
I wish getting drunk was illegal too. Not drinking, but getting drunk. It causes people to do the same stupid stuff that weed does.

I have witnessed someone get beaten by a stoner, and have been assaulted by one myself. That person probably wouldn't have hurt anyone if not for the drugs. I knew them.
User avatar #234 - buttgauges (09/26/2012) [-]
There are so many more cases of violence from alcohol v.s. marijuana. Plus, marijuana cannot straight out kill you, you cannot overdose. But you can drink yourself to death.
I honestly don't care what you personally have experienced. I have experienced the exact opposite from you as have so many other people.
Rapes/murders/assults/etc etc are the results of MANY people's drunken state. You would find... countless cases of it dealing with alcohol than pot.
User avatar #238 - Deeticky (09/26/2012) [-]
Yes, because more people drink than smoke pot.

It doesn't surprise me that you don't care what has happened to me. I care about you, as a fellow human being, but most stoners only care about themselves, and not the rest of society. Doesn't surprise me at all.
User avatar #158 - buttgauges (09/25/2012) [-]
*huge drop in income FOR cartel, not from.
#115 - Ken M (09/25/2012) [-]
Spoken like a truly close minded person.
Who are you or anyone else to protect people from themselves aka make decisions for them?
Laws are suppose to cater all productive members of society, may they be altering their minds with substances or not. By your logic, the laws are not made for the majority of people, who wake up and drink that first cup of coffee, that helps them get through the day, by altering their minds. Much like a marijuana cigarette helps people relax after the day is over.
And no, I honestly cannot agree with you that most people lose some if not all of their good judgment while high. It is not heroin, you do not become a zombie, you are a bit happier, thoughtful and have slower reflexes. If someone comes up to you and says "Hey, lets go run trough the town naked and then murder someone." you are not going to do it. You are still conscious, you are still you.
User avatar #154 - Deeticky (09/25/2012) [-]
Also, every smoker I've met except one is an unproductive person. This of course, does not mean that all smokers are unproductive, but the smoker stereotype is that they are unproductive, and that has proved itself to be true for me.
User avatar #151 - Deeticky (09/25/2012) [-]
Calling me closed minded just because I don't agree with you doesn't make it so.


Maybe YOU are that way, but what about all the others who make bad decisions when under the influence? Caffeine doesn't alter anyone's mind to the same extent that marijuana does. Alcohol would be a better comparison.

Maybe the stoners you've met are different than the ones that I've met, and that's making you biased in the same way that the stoners that I have met are bad people and that has made me biased.
#237 - Ken M (09/26/2012) [-]
All the others who make bad decisions when under the influence are responsible for their own actions, not me. You talk like legalizing it would cause mass usage and some kind of traffic epidemic killing millions of people. Look at Holland, are the car crash rates so big there then? Are people walking down the streets like zombies and making dumb decisions that have ruin their lives? Is the populace hooked on marijuana and the country slowly dying? Or what about Portugal where they decriminalized drugs? The marijuana usage actually dropped there.
People are not sheep, as you make them up to be. We all have out own head to think with, our own lives that we run and we all should be able decide for ourselves, whether or not to use marijuana. Just because you believe that people are stupid and they should be treated like little children, does not make it so.
And you know what, you can die from a caffeine over dose, people do every year. Coffee ruins lives, think about the ones who have died because of it, the families that have lost a kid, or the provider, and are now broke. Should we now ban caffeine? Should I not be able to drink coffee anymore because some idiot decided to drink too much of it? No, because it is not logical, just like it is not logical to ban marijuana because some idiot might decide to drive while high.
User avatar #239 - Deeticky (09/26/2012) [-]
I really don't care what you do to your body. That's your choice.

When it impacts innocent people though, I care. Those people didn't deserve to die, or get raped, and they wouldn't have if not for pot.

Look at Holland's education system. That's why they're better. An HS diploma in the US is worth next to nothing when it comes to your decision making skills, as US schools have to cater to good test scores instead of good education.

Also, they have fewer guns, and fewer people in poverty. Weed alone isn't the problem, it's when all these factors combine with weed that it's a problem.

If you truly don't believe that people are sheep, try looking at our country in the years directly following 9/11. The people ate up everything that the media and government threw at them. Violence was directed toward innocent Muslims, and people died in those attacks. Just because you are not a sheep doesn't mean others are.

If marijuana was the most lethal drug in the world to the user, but people used it, I wouldn't care as long as they didn't hurt others. Unfortunately that's not the case. Marijuana is the exact opposite. The users are not hurt, but people around them are.
User avatar #102 - Deeticky (09/25/2012) [-]
....*stop most people from abusing...
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User avatar #71 - uhidk (09/25/2012) [-]
there are far more good drugs than bad ones.

pot is probably the LEAST harmful drug there is.
User avatar #74 - Deeticky (09/25/2012) [-]
Least harmful to YOU. It's still harmful to others, but the selfish pot smokers can never get that through their head.

Most if not all of the "good" drugs are legal anyway.
User avatar #76 - uhidk (09/25/2012) [-]
it's only harmful to others if you actively seek to harm people while under the influence.

it's not gonna drive you to kill by itself.
User avatar #79 - Deeticky (09/25/2012) [-]
Well of course not, but you can't trust people to use it correctly.

This is why many developed countries other than the U.S. make it hard to get guns. They aren't dangerous by themselves, but when in the hands of dumbasses, they cause harm.
User avatar #80 - uhidk (09/25/2012) [-]
you're right, i can't trust anybody that smokes weed.

not even myself.
or my mother, father, brother, sister, family friends, other relatives and every other responsible pot smoker in the world.




User avatar #95 - Deeticky (09/25/2012) [-]
uhhh....I don't see your point?
User avatar #109 - uhidk (09/25/2012) [-]
you said i can't trust people to use it correctly.

i listed a bunch of people that i can trust to use it correctly.
User avatar #152 - Deeticky (09/25/2012) [-]
Oh, ok. Well, that's good that you can trust some smokers. But the fact that I have experienced so many bad things as a result of people being under the influence proves that not all smokers are trust able.
User avatar #168 - uhidk (09/25/2012) [-]
of course not.
User avatar #230 - Deeticky (09/26/2012) [-]
Of course it does. ALL means 100%. Non trust able smokers exist. Therefore NOT ALL smokers are trust able.
User avatar #248 - uhidk (09/26/2012) [-]
that's what i meant.

of course not all smokers are trustable.
User avatar #249 - Deeticky (09/26/2012) [-]
Oh, ok then. We agree on that.

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