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#169 - Of course it's wrong to kill cops. I agree with you there 100%… 03/17/2015 on police the fuck -1
#168 - Newtown police arrived on the scene at 9:39, and the final sho…  [+] (2 new replies) 03/17/2015 on police the fuck -1
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#178 - dorfdorfdorf (03/18/2015) [-]
what "peaceful outcome"? when the fuck has there ever been a "peaceful outcome" in these cases?
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#188 - Deeticky (03/18/2015) [-]
There have been hundreds of hostage situations that have been resolved peacefully. Why do you think that police forces employ negotiators?

Here take a look: lmgtfy.com/?q=hostage+situation+resolved+peacefully
#164 - Are you saying that a cop has never unjustifiably killed a per…  [+] (3 new replies) 03/17/2015 on police the fuck -1
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#165 - elcreepo (03/17/2015) [-]
That's not what I'm trying to say. What I'm trying to say is that there needs to be a balance.

I only reference what the OP said.

The way I see it, there are corrupt cops, yes. But they are a minority. In a perfect world, all corrupt cops would see justice and in the aftermath of incidents like the Tamir Rice case the officers involved would be retrained to think gunfire before using gun, order before tazer, and rights before arrest. This isn't a perfect world though, so near 100% is all we can get. So cases will happen and get a lot of media hype over the occasional instances of bad cops/districts. BUT that's no excuse to kill a cop in an unrelated district because "all cops are corrupt"

What bothers me though is that there is such a thing as too stringint protocol, protocol that wastes time. In the Lanza case the cops didn't have time to do what they did and wait for a swat team before rushing the school. The cops needed to be in there within five minutes and they simply weren't because of fear of shooting the wrong guy. They were nearly completely useless at the scene, getting in the way of the federal investigation. They herded the wounded and traumatized, and that's about it.

The cops in my state do fuck all when it comes to gunmen because of fear of a lawsuit/public outrage.

Hell, the public flipped its shit when Boston, a neighboring state, had to go on lockdown after the bombers. That wasn't a police state, it was a necessity to ensure those fuckers didn't escape. No civilians were harmed, yes their properties were searched without a warrant, but it was under the understanding that the bombers who they didn't kill in the shootout was on the run and could be hiding anywhere and have any number of accomplices waiting to help them. There was simply no fucking time to get a warrant for every house in boston and people should not demand that.

Because when you demand cops follow stringent protocols, you make cops useless.

I like to think that nearly every time a cop has to fire his gun at a person it's out of fear for his or another's life. Yes there are corrupt bastards but they are few and far between, enough that to kill a cop who hasn't done anything to you on the grounds that he is a cop is a shitty and ignorant decision.
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#169 - Deeticky (03/17/2015) [-]
Of course it's wrong to kill cops. I agree with you there 100%.

Yeah, corrupt cops are in the minority. Corruption exists on a spectrum though, so there's really no telling how many of them there are.

Here's the thing: Corrupt cops are incredibly hard to prosecute. The "blue wall of silence" means that nobody will cooperate with the prosecutor, and no matter how obvious it is that the cop is guilty, there will always be a portion of the public who will assume that the cop must be innocent.

Because it is so hard to prosecute corrupt cops, protocol is important. Protocol allows the public to keep the police force in check. Like you said, balance is important. Cops need to have enough power to do their job, but they need to also not have too much power, lest they use it to hurt innocents. protocol allows us to mitigate the chance that innocents are harmed by police.

Like I said in my reply to your other comment, I don't think there was much that the police could have done in the Lanza case. After all, there was less than a minute in between the first police arriving on the scene and the final shot being fired.

Protocol has obviously not made cops useless, because they are still tackling crime just as much as they always have, and are still (in general) not afraid to use their weapons.

Personally, I think cops should be held to higher "moral" standards, but also paid a lot better and given better mental health benefits.
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#166 - elcreepo (03/17/2015) [-]
* in a neighboring state
#163 - But... A lot of people are complaining about gang violence and…  [+] (2 new replies) 03/17/2015 on police the fuck -1
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#179 - dorfdorfdorf (03/18/2015) [-]
so, because no one is complaining, it isnt an issue?
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#187 - Deeticky (03/18/2015) [-]
What are you talking about? Read my comment again. I said people ARE complaining about gang violence and DO want to see it stopped. Of course it's an issue!
#162 - I don't think that the Sandy Hook shooting (Adam Lanza) was an…  [+] (4 new replies) 03/17/2015 on police the fuck -1
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#167 - elcreepo (03/17/2015) [-]
They could have.

There was an investigation and there were cops within five minutes of the school.

They had to get a swat team and all that shit, they had to have gun units on the scene, there were plenty of things that needed to happen first before they could enter the school which they could have chosen to ignore.

After the Brown case especially, cops have been extremely wary in my state of firing their guns, at all. And that's not good.

Several people got shot in one of the cities in my state with a cop not fifty feet away trying to talk him into putting down the gun and giving himself up. In a "gun-happy" state the gunman would have been shot down and nothing would have happened.
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#168 - Deeticky (03/17/2015) [-]
Newtown police arrived on the scene at 9:39, and the final shot happened at 9:40. There really wasn't enough time there for the police to have done anything. They didn't even know where the shooter was within the building at that point.

I definitely know that the Brown case does not seem to have stopped police overall from using deadly force (justified or unjustified). I can't speak for your specific area, and I really can't speak on the case that you mentioned (since I don't know the name of it). If the cops had opened fire sooner, it could have put innocent bystander sin the way of the crossfire. There have been a lot of successful police negotiations in hostage situations. These peaceful outcomes are the best, since it allows innocent bystanders to survive.
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#178 - dorfdorfdorf (03/18/2015) [-]
what "peaceful outcome"? when the fuck has there ever been a "peaceful outcome" in these cases?
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#188 - Deeticky (03/18/2015) [-]
There have been hundreds of hostage situations that have been resolved peacefully. Why do you think that police forces employ negotiators?

Here take a look: lmgtfy.com/?q=hostage+situation+resolved+peacefully
#169 - I don't see why a potential assassin would not consider downin… 03/12/2015 on Air Force One 0
#269 - You must get mentioned a lot. I hope you are well too.  [+] (1 new reply) 03/12/2015 on In Another World, He Would... 0
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#270 - compared (03/12/2015) [-]
I get around 50 a day and thanks
#263 - Obama did not come from anywhere near as much wealth as Bush d… 03/11/2015 on In Another World, He Would... 0
#262 - Here's the link the the World Bank growth stats, I forgot to i… 03/11/2015 on In Another World, He Would... 0
#261 - 1: You do know that post-industrial countries experience growt…  [+] (3 new replies) 03/11/2015 on In Another World, He Would... 0
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#264 - compared (03/11/2015) [-]
Thanks for the mention, hope you are well.
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#269 - Deeticky (03/12/2015) [-]
You must get mentioned a lot. I hope you are well too.
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#270 - compared (03/12/2015) [-]
I get around 50 a day and thanks