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#51 - Worth watching? Yes. In my experience, even people who don't n…  [+] (1 new reply) 01/13/2014 on Attack On Hyrule 0
User avatar #59 - flashiscool (01/14/2014) [-]
that you very much!
#191 - Just a typo, eh? That's good. You seem real intelligent, so I …  [+] (1 new reply) 01/13/2014 on Magic exists +1
#194 - infinitereaper (01/13/2014) [-]
No no, as an aspiring writer I can use all the reminders on proper English that I can get.
#168 - Your punctuation is really good. You're nearly perfect. Here's…  [+] (3 new replies) 01/13/2014 on Magic exists 0
User avatar #173 - infinitereaper (01/13/2014) [-]
Sorry I tend to typo a lot. Doesn't help that I don't get much sleep.
User avatar #191 - Deeticky (01/13/2014) [-]
Just a typo, eh? That's good. You seem real intelligent, so I figured it'd be a shame if you were confused on the different forms of "your/you're". It looks like you're not though, so my apologies.
#194 - infinitereaper (01/13/2014) [-]
No no, as an aspiring writer I can use all the reminders on proper English that I can get.
#156 - Well... **** . 01/13/2014 on Fun Facts #1 0
#75 - Yeah, Colonel Komarov's story is indeed sad, but is all too co…  [+] (3 new replies) 01/12/2014 on Fun Facts #1 +1
User avatar #79 - vivapinatapro (01/12/2014) [-]
I can confirm Lt. Pansy's story. I was the first man in space.
#156 - Deeticky (01/13/2014) [-]
Well...Fuck.
#146 - lieutenantpansy (01/12/2014) [-]
#109 - Ok. Thank you for being polite as well. I disagree with your o… 01/11/2014 on Don't mess with me 0
#470 - I had...Issues trying to get the comment to come out correctly… 01/11/2014 on Faith in humanity somewhat... 0
#389 - Just gonna clarify something for all y'all. A femin…  [+] (11 new replies) 01/11/2014 on Faith in humanity somewhat... +1
#400 - herecomesjohnny (01/11/2014) [-]
i think it's only in america where people associate feminism with man-hating, really. In my country it's mostly associated to literature movements and equality in the workplace.
#411 - victorianfancyman (01/11/2014) [-]
Fortunately that isn't true. Remember that the US is a huge country. As a nation, our feminist movement is very similar if not the same as that of any other western nation. On a smaller scale, one loud, asshole feminist can ruin the concept of feminism for everyone else.

The problem with feminism is one that stretches beyond borders. By definition, feminism is fundamentally flawed as it draws on the concept of a "patriarchy" and inherently male dominated society to shift this society's privileges towards women alone. The problem here is that men still retain our expectations and gender roles. Historically men have always been expected to be the bread bearers, the drafted fathers, and the heavy lifters in general. Feminism ignores these, seeking a twisted version of what they would like to call gender equality without acknowledging the disadvantages men put up with as well- as if gender issues are only a problem for women. Most feminists don't understand this below the surface meaning of feminism, and in truth, their views are more aligned with those of a gender equalist rather than a feminist.
#417 - thepenname (01/11/2014) [-]
"By definition" doesn't work when there are a ton of different definitions. Lots of "feminists" don't believe men's privileges should be women's instead. And going to the end of your comment, whether you say "gender equalist" or "feminist," you're still just making reductive labels. See my separate comment above for more on that.

Men do not have the same expectations and gender roles as they used to do. Yes, historically men were the bread winners ("bearers," dude?), but now more and more women are entering the workforce and it's not uncommon for both parents to have full-time jobs. Are there still more men in the workforce than women? Probably. But the qualities that made men more suitable for certain tasks are being made obsolete. Obviously we don't need to be physical specimens to work an office job and although soldiers are still incredible athletes, there are fewer and fewer roles that require the natural upper-body strength of men. I'm aware that there are still some, but fewer than there used to be. I do agree that there are unequal expectations for men as far as their roles in society just as there are for women. However, this disparity is being mitigated on both ends. A lot of is due to technology as it renders obsolete those characteristics that made one gender suitable for one task over the other gender.
User avatar #406 - ruebezahl (01/11/2014) [-]
True. And it's only on the Internet where kids discuss about feminism who have no idea what kind of issues women actually have to deal with.
#420 - thepenname (01/11/2014) [-]
There are totally people in real life who discuss feminism and plenty of other subjects without proper knowledge or temperament.

You know people on the Internet are just people in real life sitting at computers, right? And that those people do also talk in real life?

I'll admit people are less inhibited on the Internet though.

What I hate is when people automatically devalue discourse as a matter of it simply occurring on the Internet. "Don't start an Internet fight" and "I'm not going to argue over the Internet" are phrases you often hear. If there's a subject at hand and people willing to talk about it, what's wrong with a debate? If they aren't arguing well, that's not necessarily the Internet's fault, it's an issue of their education or knowledge or temperament or anything else that affects the quality of one's discourse.

But that last paragraph is more a tangent than a direct response to your comment.
User avatar #399 - TheseChocodiles (01/11/2014) [-]
Thank you, I was going to write a big comment but you pretty much hit it on the nail. I am a feminist, as a girl I think it's hard not to be because every girl has experienced sexism, it may have benefited them so they choose not to highlight it and maybe rightfully so, as there is such a thing as positive discrimination.
I wish people would stop seeing feminism as a bad thing, it has a lot of shitty people who brand it as such but essentially, if you respect women, you are a feminist, no ifs or buts about it.
User avatar #412 - ruebezahl (01/11/2014) [-]
Actually, I doubt that every girl has experienced sexism. Otherwise, you would not see retarded content like this one. I think some girls grow up in really protected environments, get everything they need from their protective parents, go to a good school where all teachers are constantly eager to promote tolerance and equality, etc. So then they think they don't need feminism, because hey, look, there's nothing in the world that they can't deal with!

Only when they leave their protective cocoon and go out into the world and realize how differently women are treated from men, that's when they realize how fucking naive they were.
#395 - therealkurtia (01/11/2014) [-]
Well.. Feminism based on the name is a pro-woman ideology. It derives from society sticking on to old values and has been a good cause, because women were awfully supressed, and needed a voice. I modern society today though there is no need for a pro woman ideology. Things are becoming more and more equal (of course depends on where you are from). The right term to use for equality today isn't feminism, but equalism.
User avatar #393 - mitchr (01/11/2014) [-]
Thanks for actually pointing this out, there's a big difference.

Believe it or not, actually, most of Tumblr rails against feminazis. Interesting, the bias we get from our tiny snippets we see here.
User avatar #391 - hates (01/11/2014) [-]
Why'd you delete your comment and repost it 5 times? And also say my name 5 times in less than a minute...
User avatar #470 - Deeticky (01/11/2014) [-]
I had...Issues trying to get the comment to come out correctly... I wish I could just edit my comment instead of deleting it, but alas, I can not.

Also, bet your name gets mentioned in comments all the time.
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#143 - Goddammit. 01/11/2014 on black man +1
#99 - I actually liked them all, not for story or anything, but as a… 01/11/2014 on opinions kill people 0
#134 - I don't think he ever said that all black women act the same. …  [+] (3 new replies) 01/11/2014 on black man +2
#177 - tubbsinlubbers (01/11/2014) [-]
Thank you, I hope I can achieve my goals as well. I am currently interested in becoming an ophthalmologist , however I'm not sure what I want to specialize in.
User avatar #141 - articulate (01/11/2014) [-]
I am a white male so he is more articulate than she is.
#143 - Deeticky (01/11/2014) [-]
Goddammit.
#190 - She just wants a big tip. No, the other kind of tip. 01/11/2014 on mom +1
#534 - Some people cry because they feel their life is insignificant … 01/11/2014 on fuck suicide bombers +1
#37 - Thanks for that, man! I've been on the internet for awhile, so…  [+] (1 new reply) 01/11/2014 on The murder of Junko Furuta +1
#38 - kuupuuchan (01/11/2014) [-]
That's interesting. I'm kind of an internet veteran, i've seen a lot of shit myself, and although I don't mind gore there are some things that I just cant bear to look at. This whole case makes my jimmies rustle so much that I want to lie down in fetal position and cry for my mother.
#51 - To the first: I'm really not sure which jiu jitsu you …  [+] (2 new replies) 01/10/2014 on Don't mess with me 0
#106 - naturalman (01/11/2014) [-]
You are a polite person, which makes it easy to believe you may truly be a professional martial artist. You probably have more than average experience too. I am preoccupied with other things and dont want to carry on with this. I will just say that I maintain that females are inferior and that boys who get beat up by them are either handicapped or remiss in their masculinity. Also, that gif really looks like a set up fake scenario. You be safe and have a great day.
#109 - Deeticky (01/11/2014) [-]
Ok. Thank you for being polite as well. I disagree with your opinions, but that doesn't make me right in the exact same way that it doesn't make you right. they are, after all, just opinions.
#44 - You not liking jiu jitsu doesn't mean that it doesn't work. Pe…  [+] (4 new replies) 01/10/2014 on Don't mess with me 0
#47 - naturalman (01/10/2014) [-]
To the first paragraph- it was combat ju jitsu, also I didnt say it wasn't effective, just that its effectiveness was limited. It is weak against jamming and aggressive real life kickboxing and ground and pound/dirty street fighting

To the second paragraph - I know because I have fought all kinds of people, even some tougher than average trained women.

To your third paragraph - among other things you said "Also, regardless of your strength, it would not take a strong woman to break your arm if you were tired and if she used proper technique."

To the fourth paragraph - while everyone could be considered potentially dangerous in some way, I was speaking more of strong aggressive men who are accustomed to getting into potentially lethal fights (such as the type you meet in prison) and my evidence that you dont have enough experience comes from the things you are saying, do a stint in a serious prison and fight when they try to rape you, again and again,you will quickly see why a lot of the things you have been saying here dont wash.

As for you choosing a peaceful path and trying to be prepared and ready to defend yourself only if forced to, I think that is really the best way, but being a bullied half breed weirdo from a family that valued and practiced martial arts (and fought a lot) does tend to lend one a lot of fighting experience long before the brain develops enough to realize that one should strive to be more noble. The people who scare me are the ones who are brought up in as much violence as I was but also lack any notion of honor, and it is guys like them, not guys like me who are the reason for training in self defense in the first place. The myth about bullies is that they are all cowards, some are, but most are people for whom violence comes with their mothers milk, they have zero fear in a fight and loads of experience and they often train too, in techniques that really work, those are the ones who determine the truth about hand to hand combat.
User avatar #51 - Deeticky (01/10/2014) [-]


To the first: I'm really not sure which jiu jitsu you trained, but ours is actually the most effective grappling discipline against ground and pound and kickboxing that there is. In terms of jamming? Yeah, sometimes we're weak against experienced wrestlers, but we do have things we can do.

Second: And I know I'm right because of all the people I've fought and my students have fought. It's just my opinion against yours, and we really can't prove each other wrong in that regard.

Third: i apologize if i sounded like I was talking about you specifically. I was using the girl kimura as more of a general reference. I've never seen you in person, so I wouldn't know which moves would be effective against you.

If we're going to start being that specific though, (As in born into chaos, no honor, prison rape, pure violence stuff) then the most effective martial art in the world would be firearm training and years of battlefield experience. Even with all of my training, could a trained combat veteran with a gun defeat me? No doubt about it, they could. Could they defeat you? No doubt about it, they could. One headshot would end either of us. I've fought people who've been to prison. In prison, from what I've read at least, people often attack in groups with improvised weapons. That's just not the same as a one on one fight. The only way you can win against an armed group of people is to have your own armed group of people.

I'm still baffled as to how anything I said "proves I'm inexperienced." Yeah, I don't teach people how to win prison fights. I teach people how to defend themselves against the common street thug. Does that make me inexperienced? I sure don't think so. I know that most of my advanced students could beat up most of the people they would encounter on the street if they needed to. But they don't need to, because we teach them how to win by avoiding a fight all together as well.
#106 - naturalman (01/11/2014) [-]
You are a polite person, which makes it easy to believe you may truly be a professional martial artist. You probably have more than average experience too. I am preoccupied with other things and dont want to carry on with this. I will just say that I maintain that females are inferior and that boys who get beat up by them are either handicapped or remiss in their masculinity. Also, that gif really looks like a set up fake scenario. You be safe and have a great day.
#109 - Deeticky (01/11/2014) [-]
Ok. Thank you for being polite as well. I disagree with your opinions, but that doesn't make me right in the exact same way that it doesn't make you right. they are, after all, just opinions.
#29 - The techniques we teach are specifically meant to prolong the …  [+] (6 new replies) 01/10/2014 on Don't mess with me 0
#32 - naturalman (01/10/2014) [-]
Man, I know about ju jitsu, I have played with it to see if I liked it, but I find it has a place where it is effectrive but its simply not generally efficient enough to suit me. I too have faced very strong men omn real situations and also trained and sparred with such, testing techniques and escapes. I know what I can and cant do and i get tired of people telling me how women could kick my ass, if there is such a lady on earth I will probably never meet her, so lets all just get real here, there are not many women alive which could use that move to break my arm even if I was tired, also there are even fewer women in the world who could get me tired in a conflict to begin with. Fights dont usually go long with over matched or skilled people- except in styles like ju jitsu that purposefully try to drag it out (which only works in sport fighting or against not so great fighters).

As for my anger and stress, I just have my lines in the sand and these days people think it is funny to cross other peoples lines, But honestly I dont get as much face to face aggression from people as I used to when I was younger primarily because I dont look as fun to mess with as I must have in the past. As for prison, well, I dont feel that when a person holds someone else accountable for committing a tort against them that such a person should be jailed so I generally tend to apply myself to getting away with whatever forms of defense or discipline I engage in. However, I have done time before, I dont particularly like it but I cant let that stop me from standing my ground when the need arises.

I have to say honestly, not to put you down, but it really sounds like you have not had much experience in actually fighting dangerous and potentially deadly men or any women at all. That is not a bad thing at all, but when you come across as a fighting expert, that's where the lack of experience heads into assumption territory.
User avatar #44 - Deeticky (01/10/2014) [-]
You not liking jiu jitsu doesn't mean that it doesn't work. Perhaps what you trained was tournament jiu-jitsu. Tournament jiu-jitsu is very different than combatives/street jiu-jitsu. What is jiu jitsu weak against? Multiple attackers. If you get ganged up on, there really aren't a lot of martial arts that can help you.

How do you know that there are so few women who could defeat you if you were tired and they were trained? You just seem more confident in that assumption than you should be.

I never claimed that there were a lot of women who could defeat you. I never even claimed that my students could defeat you. In fact, I avoided making assumptions about you personally as much as I could. I only believe that your arm would be broken by a girl if she were able to tire you out and if she had a lot of training under her belt. I'm sure the amount of women who could not beat you up vastly outnumbers the amount of women who could beat you up. I never disputed that.

I'm also pretty confused about your assumption that I haven't fought anyone dangerous? You have literally no evidence to back that claim up. You just seem to want to dismiss my opinion by pretending I don't have as much experience as you. Honestly, I don't start fights. There's no reason for me to do that. I have goals, and I need to stay out of jail if I want to accomplish those goals. I have however, been attacked with a knife twice and a gun once. (The second knife attack was the only one that sent me to the hospital, but that's because it devolved into a struggle and I got cut. Both of us did.) Minneapolis can be a dangerous city sometimes. I've had my share of self-defense situations. But I'm not super proud of that. There are a lot of times where I wish I would've not fought at all. Life's just less stressful that way. I hate having to worry about the legal repercussions of hurting someone. I would just ask you to not make assumptions about me without evidence.
#47 - naturalman (01/10/2014) [-]
To the first paragraph- it was combat ju jitsu, also I didnt say it wasn't effective, just that its effectiveness was limited. It is weak against jamming and aggressive real life kickboxing and ground and pound/dirty street fighting

To the second paragraph - I know because I have fought all kinds of people, even some tougher than average trained women.

To your third paragraph - among other things you said "Also, regardless of your strength, it would not take a strong woman to break your arm if you were tired and if she used proper technique."

To the fourth paragraph - while everyone could be considered potentially dangerous in some way, I was speaking more of strong aggressive men who are accustomed to getting into potentially lethal fights (such as the type you meet in prison) and my evidence that you dont have enough experience comes from the things you are saying, do a stint in a serious prison and fight when they try to rape you, again and again,you will quickly see why a lot of the things you have been saying here dont wash.

As for you choosing a peaceful path and trying to be prepared and ready to defend yourself only if forced to, I think that is really the best way, but being a bullied half breed weirdo from a family that valued and practiced martial arts (and fought a lot) does tend to lend one a lot of fighting experience long before the brain develops enough to realize that one should strive to be more noble. The people who scare me are the ones who are brought up in as much violence as I was but also lack any notion of honor, and it is guys like them, not guys like me who are the reason for training in self defense in the first place. The myth about bullies is that they are all cowards, some are, but most are people for whom violence comes with their mothers milk, they have zero fear in a fight and loads of experience and they often train too, in techniques that really work, those are the ones who determine the truth about hand to hand combat.
User avatar #51 - Deeticky (01/10/2014) [-]


To the first: I'm really not sure which jiu jitsu you trained, but ours is actually the most effective grappling discipline against ground and pound and kickboxing that there is. In terms of jamming? Yeah, sometimes we're weak against experienced wrestlers, but we do have things we can do.

Second: And I know I'm right because of all the people I've fought and my students have fought. It's just my opinion against yours, and we really can't prove each other wrong in that regard.

Third: i apologize if i sounded like I was talking about you specifically. I was using the girl kimura as more of a general reference. I've never seen you in person, so I wouldn't know which moves would be effective against you.

If we're going to start being that specific though, (As in born into chaos, no honor, prison rape, pure violence stuff) then the most effective martial art in the world would be firearm training and years of battlefield experience. Even with all of my training, could a trained combat veteran with a gun defeat me? No doubt about it, they could. Could they defeat you? No doubt about it, they could. One headshot would end either of us. I've fought people who've been to prison. In prison, from what I've read at least, people often attack in groups with improvised weapons. That's just not the same as a one on one fight. The only way you can win against an armed group of people is to have your own armed group of people.

I'm still baffled as to how anything I said "proves I'm inexperienced." Yeah, I don't teach people how to win prison fights. I teach people how to defend themselves against the common street thug. Does that make me inexperienced? I sure don't think so. I know that most of my advanced students could beat up most of the people they would encounter on the street if they needed to. But they don't need to, because we teach them how to win by avoiding a fight all together as well.
#106 - naturalman (01/11/2014) [-]
You are a polite person, which makes it easy to believe you may truly be a professional martial artist. You probably have more than average experience too. I am preoccupied with other things and dont want to carry on with this. I will just say that I maintain that females are inferior and that boys who get beat up by them are either handicapped or remiss in their masculinity. Also, that gif really looks like a set up fake scenario. You be safe and have a great day.
#109 - Deeticky (01/11/2014) [-]
Ok. Thank you for being polite as well. I disagree with your opinions, but that doesn't make me right in the exact same way that it doesn't make you right. they are, after all, just opinions.
#26 - Well, my friend, I disagree with nearly everything you've said…  [+] (8 new replies) 01/10/2014 on Don't mess with me 0
#27 - naturalman (01/10/2014) [-]
In real fights where skill is involved there is rarely time to get exhausted because the techniques are more to the point., and the fight is generally over very fast. but exhausted or not, it would take a pretty strong woman to do much to me, but then I am not exactly average, but then even the average man shouldn't have to work till exhaustion to defeat a woman. I have had conflicts with men and women and teenagers, I know pretty well what all sorts of people are truly capable of and I tell you that between hollywood and things like that gif and the comments being made here, most people tend to remain weak and unaware. I salute the girl for employing what she knew, but if it was my daughter I would have scolded her first for fighting because the best defense a woman has is the element of surprise and that should be kept until it is life or death, then I would have scolded her again for not using more devastating moves once she was already in the fight, and if it was my son after he was punished for trying to steal and being a punk, I would punish him for being weak and giving people the illusion of equality which, when unchallenged makes society upside down and when challenged, renders females unrealistic as to how to use potentially effective techniques because they think they can just pull a charlie's angels move and knock a guy twice their size flying with ease.

Teaching people that the sexes are equal it to invite idiocy and disaster, realistic teaching is far more useful and dignified. The kids here on this site are already so indoctrinated with horseshit they are mentally retarded from it, I just speak up my little voice to let those few kids here that aren't so far gone that they aren't alone.
User avatar #29 - Deeticky (01/10/2014) [-]
The techniques we teach are specifically meant to prolong the fight so that you may wear your opponent out. Also, regardless of your strength, it would not take a strong woman to break your arm if you were tired and if she used proper technique. I know this because I have seen hundreds of first-hand accounts and have been involved in numerous fights against people significantly stronger than me. The U.S. army even uses a battlefield-oriented modification of the combatives system that I teach.

I never claimed that women and men were equal in terms of biological strength either. I said the opposite, actually. And yeah, those Charlie's Angels moves would usually fail in real life. I agree with you there. That's why I teach Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. It's not as pretty as the hollywood stuff, but it's way more effective.

Also, my friend, I'm not even saying this to be snarky or rude, I promise, but perhaps you should seek some counseling? If you've allowed your anger to bring you into so many conflicts with men, women and children, it may be beyond your control. The best way to win a fight isn't my technique nor yours, but the best way to win a fight is to never let it happen in the first place. I would just ask you, as a fellow man, to look at yourself and ask "Has my anger become uncontrollable?" Even if someone says something rude to you, if you knock them out, it's you who will go to jail, not to mention the amount of damage that many stress hormones can do to your body. I'm just concerned.

#32 - naturalman (01/10/2014) [-]
Man, I know about ju jitsu, I have played with it to see if I liked it, but I find it has a place where it is effectrive but its simply not generally efficient enough to suit me. I too have faced very strong men omn real situations and also trained and sparred with such, testing techniques and escapes. I know what I can and cant do and i get tired of people telling me how women could kick my ass, if there is such a lady on earth I will probably never meet her, so lets all just get real here, there are not many women alive which could use that move to break my arm even if I was tired, also there are even fewer women in the world who could get me tired in a conflict to begin with. Fights dont usually go long with over matched or skilled people- except in styles like ju jitsu that purposefully try to drag it out (which only works in sport fighting or against not so great fighters).

As for my anger and stress, I just have my lines in the sand and these days people think it is funny to cross other peoples lines, But honestly I dont get as much face to face aggression from people as I used to when I was younger primarily because I dont look as fun to mess with as I must have in the past. As for prison, well, I dont feel that when a person holds someone else accountable for committing a tort against them that such a person should be jailed so I generally tend to apply myself to getting away with whatever forms of defense or discipline I engage in. However, I have done time before, I dont particularly like it but I cant let that stop me from standing my ground when the need arises.

I have to say honestly, not to put you down, but it really sounds like you have not had much experience in actually fighting dangerous and potentially deadly men or any women at all. That is not a bad thing at all, but when you come across as a fighting expert, that's where the lack of experience heads into assumption territory.
User avatar #44 - Deeticky (01/10/2014) [-]
You not liking jiu jitsu doesn't mean that it doesn't work. Perhaps what you trained was tournament jiu-jitsu. Tournament jiu-jitsu is very different than combatives/street jiu-jitsu. What is jiu jitsu weak against? Multiple attackers. If you get ganged up on, there really aren't a lot of martial arts that can help you.

How do you know that there are so few women who could defeat you if you were tired and they were trained? You just seem more confident in that assumption than you should be.

I never claimed that there were a lot of women who could defeat you. I never even claimed that my students could defeat you. In fact, I avoided making assumptions about you personally as much as I could. I only believe that your arm would be broken by a girl if she were able to tire you out and if she had a lot of training under her belt. I'm sure the amount of women who could not beat you up vastly outnumbers the amount of women who could beat you up. I never disputed that.

I'm also pretty confused about your assumption that I haven't fought anyone dangerous? You have literally no evidence to back that claim up. You just seem to want to dismiss my opinion by pretending I don't have as much experience as you. Honestly, I don't start fights. There's no reason for me to do that. I have goals, and I need to stay out of jail if I want to accomplish those goals. I have however, been attacked with a knife twice and a gun once. (The second knife attack was the only one that sent me to the hospital, but that's because it devolved into a struggle and I got cut. Both of us did.) Minneapolis can be a dangerous city sometimes. I've had my share of self-defense situations. But I'm not super proud of that. There are a lot of times where I wish I would've not fought at all. Life's just less stressful that way. I hate having to worry about the legal repercussions of hurting someone. I would just ask you to not make assumptions about me without evidence.
#47 - naturalman (01/10/2014) [-]
To the first paragraph- it was combat ju jitsu, also I didnt say it wasn't effective, just that its effectiveness was limited. It is weak against jamming and aggressive real life kickboxing and ground and pound/dirty street fighting

To the second paragraph - I know because I have fought all kinds of people, even some tougher than average trained women.

To your third paragraph - among other things you said "Also, regardless of your strength, it would not take a strong woman to break your arm if you were tired and if she used proper technique."

To the fourth paragraph - while everyone could be considered potentially dangerous in some way, I was speaking more of strong aggressive men who are accustomed to getting into potentially lethal fights (such as the type you meet in prison) and my evidence that you dont have enough experience comes from the things you are saying, do a stint in a serious prison and fight when they try to rape you, again and again,you will quickly see why a lot of the things you have been saying here dont wash.

As for you choosing a peaceful path and trying to be prepared and ready to defend yourself only if forced to, I think that is really the best way, but being a bullied half breed weirdo from a family that valued and practiced martial arts (and fought a lot) does tend to lend one a lot of fighting experience long before the brain develops enough to realize that one should strive to be more noble. The people who scare me are the ones who are brought up in as much violence as I was but also lack any notion of honor, and it is guys like them, not guys like me who are the reason for training in self defense in the first place. The myth about bullies is that they are all cowards, some are, but most are people for whom violence comes with their mothers milk, they have zero fear in a fight and loads of experience and they often train too, in techniques that really work, those are the ones who determine the truth about hand to hand combat.
User avatar #51 - Deeticky (01/10/2014) [-]


To the first: I'm really not sure which jiu jitsu you trained, but ours is actually the most effective grappling discipline against ground and pound and kickboxing that there is. In terms of jamming? Yeah, sometimes we're weak against experienced wrestlers, but we do have things we can do.

Second: And I know I'm right because of all the people I've fought and my students have fought. It's just my opinion against yours, and we really can't prove each other wrong in that regard.

Third: i apologize if i sounded like I was talking about you specifically. I was using the girl kimura as more of a general reference. I've never seen you in person, so I wouldn't know which moves would be effective against you.

If we're going to start being that specific though, (As in born into chaos, no honor, prison rape, pure violence stuff) then the most effective martial art in the world would be firearm training and years of battlefield experience. Even with all of my training, could a trained combat veteran with a gun defeat me? No doubt about it, they could. Could they defeat you? No doubt about it, they could. One headshot would end either of us. I've fought people who've been to prison. In prison, from what I've read at least, people often attack in groups with improvised weapons. That's just not the same as a one on one fight. The only way you can win against an armed group of people is to have your own armed group of people.

I'm still baffled as to how anything I said "proves I'm inexperienced." Yeah, I don't teach people how to win prison fights. I teach people how to defend themselves against the common street thug. Does that make me inexperienced? I sure don't think so. I know that most of my advanced students could beat up most of the people they would encounter on the street if they needed to. But they don't need to, because we teach them how to win by avoiding a fight all together as well.
#106 - naturalman (01/11/2014) [-]
You are a polite person, which makes it easy to believe you may truly be a professional martial artist. You probably have more than average experience too. I am preoccupied with other things and dont want to carry on with this. I will just say that I maintain that females are inferior and that boys who get beat up by them are either handicapped or remiss in their masculinity. Also, that gif really looks like a set up fake scenario. You be safe and have a great day.
#109 - Deeticky (01/11/2014) [-]
Ok. Thank you for being polite as well. I disagree with your opinions, but that doesn't make me right in the exact same way that it doesn't make you right. they are, after all, just opinions.
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#24 - naturalman (01/10/2014) [-]
Her technique was ok for dealing with the likes of him but you have to realize that even good holds and techniques can be ineffectual when you are supremely overmatched. An average sized woman could not use a kimura to break my shoulder unless I was asleep /paralyzed/already severely injured,/etc. simply because the amount of resistance I can employ is greater the combination of her strength and leverage. That boy simply would not have been beaten if he had any backbone at all, her technique only worked because he was too inexperienced and had too low a pain tolerance to deal with her aggression.

Now I do acknowledge that a very rare few women can actually be pretty tough when compared to soft average American men, but such are very rare and still very very few of them can even match an in shape, aggressive teenage boy with any pain tolerance and or training.

And yeah a good nutshot can lower your game a bit but being dropped into wide open helplessness? Not an experienced or even really pissed fighter will let that happen unless it is way way waayyyyy harder than anything a female that size can dish out.
User avatar #26 - Deeticky (01/10/2014) [-]
Well, my friend, I disagree with nearly everything you've said.

Yeah, if you're fighting a girl for some reason, and she's trained in Brazilian jiu jitsu and for whatever reason she puts you into a kimura right away, then yeah, you'll probably be able to break out using brute strength. That is exactly why we teach our students not to go for a submission when the opponent if fresh and full of energy. Many of the moves and positions we teach are all about wearing your opponent out while allowing yourself to remain relatively fresh and unharmed. Once your opponent is tired, a submission becomes easy. People can't resist when they're tired.
#27 - naturalman (01/10/2014) [-]
In real fights where skill is involved there is rarely time to get exhausted because the techniques are more to the point., and the fight is generally over very fast. but exhausted or not, it would take a pretty strong woman to do much to me, but then I am not exactly average, but then even the average man shouldn't have to work till exhaustion to defeat a woman. I have had conflicts with men and women and teenagers, I know pretty well what all sorts of people are truly capable of and I tell you that between hollywood and things like that gif and the comments being made here, most people tend to remain weak and unaware. I salute the girl for employing what she knew, but if it was my daughter I would have scolded her first for fighting because the best defense a woman has is the element of surprise and that should be kept until it is life or death, then I would have scolded her again for not using more devastating moves once she was already in the fight, and if it was my son after he was punished for trying to steal and being a punk, I would punish him for being weak and giving people the illusion of equality which, when unchallenged makes society upside down and when challenged, renders females unrealistic as to how to use potentially effective techniques because they think they can just pull a charlie's angels move and knock a guy twice their size flying with ease.

Teaching people that the sexes are equal it to invite idiocy and disaster, realistic teaching is far more useful and dignified. The kids here on this site are already so indoctrinated with horseshit they are mentally retarded from it, I just speak up my little voice to let those few kids here that aren't so far gone that they aren't alone.
User avatar #29 - Deeticky (01/10/2014) [-]
The techniques we teach are specifically meant to prolong the fight so that you may wear your opponent out. Also, regardless of your strength, it would not take a strong woman to break your arm if you were tired and if she used proper technique. I know this because I have seen hundreds of first-hand accounts and have been involved in numerous fights against people significantly stronger than me. The U.S. army even uses a battlefield-oriented modification of the combatives system that I teach.

I never claimed that women and men were equal in terms of biological strength either. I said the opposite, actually. And yeah, those Charlie's Angels moves would usually fail in real life. I agree with you there. That's why I teach Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. It's not as pretty as the hollywood stuff, but it's way more effective.

Also, my friend, I'm not even saying this to be snarky or rude, I promise, but perhaps you should seek some counseling? If you've allowed your anger to bring you into so many conflicts with men, women and children, it may be beyond your control. The best way to win a fight isn't my technique nor yours, but the best way to win a fight is to never let it happen in the first place. I would just ask you, as a fellow man, to look at yourself and ask "Has my anger become uncontrollable?" Even if someone says something rude to you, if you knock them out, it's you who will go to jail, not to mention the amount of damage that many stress hormones can do to your body. I'm just concerned.

#32 - naturalman (01/10/2014) [-]
Man, I know about ju jitsu, I have played with it to see if I liked it, but I find it has a place where it is effectrive but its simply not generally efficient enough to suit me. I too have faced very strong men omn real situations and also trained and sparred with such, testing techniques and escapes. I know what I can and cant do and i get tired of people telling me how women could kick my ass, if there is such a lady on earth I will probably never meet her, so lets all just get real here, there are not many women alive which could use that move to break my arm even if I was tired, also there are even fewer women in the world who could get me tired in a conflict to begin with. Fights dont usually go long with over matched or skilled people- except in styles like ju jitsu that purposefully try to drag it out (which only works in sport fighting or against not so great fighters).

As for my anger and stress, I just have my lines in the sand and these days people think it is funny to cross other peoples lines, But honestly I dont get as much face to face aggression from people as I used to when I was younger primarily because I dont look as fun to mess with as I must have in the past. As for prison, well, I dont feel that when a person holds someone else accountable for committing a tort against them that such a person should be jailed so I generally tend to apply myself to getting away with whatever forms of defense or discipline I engage in. However, I have done time before, I dont particularly like it but I cant let that stop me from standing my ground when the need arises.

I have to say honestly, not to put you down, but it really sounds like you have not had much experience in actually fighting dangerous and potentially deadly men or any women at all. That is not a bad thing at all, but when you come across as a fighting expert, that's where the lack of experience heads into assumption territory.
User avatar #44 - Deeticky (01/10/2014) [-]
You not liking jiu jitsu doesn't mean that it doesn't work. Perhaps what you trained was tournament jiu-jitsu. Tournament jiu-jitsu is very different than combatives/street jiu-jitsu. What is jiu jitsu weak against? Multiple attackers. If you get ganged up on, there really aren't a lot of martial arts that can help you.

How do you know that there are so few women who could defeat you if you were tired and they were trained? You just seem more confident in that assumption than you should be.

I never claimed that there were a lot of women who could defeat you. I never even claimed that my students could defeat you. In fact, I avoided making assumptions about you personally as much as I could. I only believe that your arm would be broken by a girl if she were able to tire you out and if she had a lot of training under her belt. I'm sure the amount of women who could not beat you up vastly outnumbers the amount of women who could beat you up. I never disputed that.

I'm also pretty confused about your assumption that I haven't fought anyone dangerous? You have literally no evidence to back that claim up. You just seem to want to dismiss my opinion by pretending I don't have as much experience as you. Honestly, I don't start fights. There's no reason for me to do that. I have goals, and I need to stay out of jail if I want to accomplish those goals. I have however, been attacked with a knife twice and a gun once. (The second knife attack was the only one that sent me to the hospital, but that's because it devolved into a struggle and I got cut. Both of us did.) Minneapolis can be a dangerous city sometimes. I've had my share of self-defense situations. But I'm not super proud of that. There are a lot of times where I wish I would've not fought at all. Life's just less stressful that way. I hate having to worry about the legal repercussions of hurting someone. I would just ask you to not make assumptions about me without evidence.
#47 - naturalman (01/10/2014) [-]
To the first paragraph- it was combat ju jitsu, also I didnt say it wasn't effective, just that its effectiveness was limited. It is weak against jamming and aggressive real life kickboxing and ground and pound/dirty street fighting

To the second paragraph - I know because I have fought all kinds of people, even some tougher than average trained women.

To your third paragraph - among other things you said "Also, regardless of your strength, it would not take a strong woman to break your arm if you were tired and if she used proper technique."

To the fourth paragraph - while everyone could be considered potentially dangerous in some way, I was speaking more of strong aggressive men who are accustomed to getting into potentially lethal fights (such as the type you meet in prison) and my evidence that you dont have enough experience comes from the things you are saying, do a stint in a serious prison and fight when they try to rape you, again and again,you will quickly see why a lot of the things you have been saying here dont wash.

As for you choosing a peaceful path and trying to be prepared and ready to defend yourself only if forced to, I think that is really the best way, but being a bullied half breed weirdo from a family that valued and practiced martial arts (and fought a lot) does tend to lend one a lot of fighting experience long before the brain develops enough to realize that one should strive to be more noble. The people who scare me are the ones who are brought up in as much violence as I was but also lack any notion of honor, and it is guys like them, not guys like me who are the reason for training in self defense in the first place. The myth about bullies is that they are all cowards, some are, but most are people for whom violence comes with their mothers milk, they have zero fear in a fight and loads of experience and they often train too, in techniques that really work, those are the ones who determine the truth about hand to hand combat.
User avatar #51 - Deeticky (01/10/2014) [-]


To the first: I'm really not sure which jiu jitsu you trained, but ours is actually the most effective grappling discipline against ground and pound and kickboxing that there is. In terms of jamming? Yeah, sometimes we're weak against experienced wrestlers, but we do have things we can do.

Second: And I know I'm right because of all the people I've fought and my students have fought. It's just my opinion against yours, and we really can't prove each other wrong in that regard.

Third: i apologize if i sounded like I was talking about you specifically. I was using the girl kimura as more of a general reference. I've never seen you in person, so I wouldn't know which moves would be effective against you.

If we're going to start being that specific though, (As in born into chaos, no honor, prison rape, pure violence stuff) then the most effective martial art in the world would be firearm training and years of battlefield experience. Even with all of my training, could a trained combat veteran with a gun defeat me? No doubt about it, they could. Could they defeat you? No doubt about it, they could. One headshot would end either of us. I've fought people who've been to prison. In prison, from what I've read at least, people often attack in groups with improvised weapons. That's just not the same as a one on one fight. The only way you can win against an armed group of people is to have your own armed group of people.

I'm still baffled as to how anything I said "proves I'm inexperienced." Yeah, I don't teach people how to win prison fights. I teach people how to defend themselves against the common street thug. Does that make me inexperienced? I sure don't think so. I know that most of my advanced students could beat up most of the people they would encounter on the street if they needed to. But they don't need to, because we teach them how to win by avoiding a fight all together as well.
#106 - naturalman (01/11/2014) [-]
You are a polite person, which makes it easy to believe you may truly be a professional martial artist. You probably have more than average experience too. I am preoccupied with other things and dont want to carry on with this. I will just say that I maintain that females are inferior and that boys who get beat up by them are either handicapped or remiss in their masculinity. Also, that gif really looks like a set up fake scenario. You be safe and have a great day.
#109 - Deeticky (01/11/2014) [-]
Ok. Thank you for being polite as well. I disagree with your opinions, but that doesn't make me right in the exact same way that it doesn't make you right. they are, after all, just opinions.
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#19 - naturalman (01/10/2014) [-]
I am a grown man and a lifelong street fighter (because I have a bad temper and society only gets more and more impolite). I have been kicked in the nuts and everywhere else lots of times, it is not pleasant, but the rage it fills me with compensates for any pain and nausea I may feel. Same with my brothers and my friends, we are pretty tough guys. In mma they drop from nutshots to make it obvious for the ref to make the call, if it were a real fight they would keep their feet.

That kid did deserve that treatment for being a thief, but also for being a weakling and a troublemaker. However when I am my friends were his age we werent shitheads like that but at the same time, no females stood a snowball's chance in hell against us, but then, neither did most of the boys.
User avatar #21 - Deeticky (01/10/2014) [-]
That's true of some of the fighters, but there are also times when you can see the fighter suffer from the groin shot for the rest of the fight. The benefit of getting dropped by a nutshot is really nonexistent anyway. All you get is about 20 seconds of rest (which your opponent gets too, and if you try to rest for longer, you just get booed by the crowd.

I'm a grown man as well and have been training martial arts for over a decade. I also teach Brazilian jiu jitsu. And yeah, maybe that specific nut shot wouldn't have dropped you, because in your rage, you'd be coursing with adrenaline. It's not strength that protects your nuts, it's just adrenaline. I'm not saying you're not strong, because I have know way of knowing whtether or not you are, I'm just saying that the adrenaline flowing through your veins blocks pain signals from reaching your brain.

And yeah, females are naturally weaker physically than males, but that doesn't mean that with proper technique they can't overcome "strong" guys, even those who are street fighters. I've met and taught a decent amount of girls who've done exactly that. Next to proper technique, an opponent's pain tolerance doesn't matter. When you're locking someone's shoulder up with a proper kimura, that shoulder is going to break whether they can tolerate the pain or not.

I guess my point is that trying to downplay the girl's good technique by saying that the guy was just weak isn't fair to her and her training.
#24 - naturalman (01/10/2014) [-]
Her technique was ok for dealing with the likes of him but you have to realize that even good holds and techniques can be ineffectual when you are supremely overmatched. An average sized woman could not use a kimura to break my shoulder unless I was asleep /paralyzed/already severely injured,/etc. simply because the amount of resistance I can employ is greater the combination of her strength and leverage. That boy simply would not have been beaten if he had any backbone at all, her technique only worked because he was too inexperienced and had too low a pain tolerance to deal with her aggression.

Now I do acknowledge that a very rare few women can actually be pretty tough when compared to soft average American men, but such are very rare and still very very few of them can even match an in shape, aggressive teenage boy with any pain tolerance and or training.

And yeah a good nutshot can lower your game a bit but being dropped into wide open helplessness? Not an experienced or even really pissed fighter will let that happen unless it is way way waayyyyy harder than anything a female that size can dish out.
User avatar #26 - Deeticky (01/10/2014) [-]
Well, my friend, I disagree with nearly everything you've said.

Yeah, if you're fighting a girl for some reason, and she's trained in Brazilian jiu jitsu and for whatever reason she puts you into a kimura right away, then yeah, you'll probably be able to break out using brute strength. That is exactly why we teach our students not to go for a submission when the opponent if fresh and full of energy. Many of the moves and positions we teach are all about wearing your opponent out while allowing yourself to remain relatively fresh and unharmed. Once your opponent is tired, a submission becomes easy. People can't resist when they're tired.
#27 - naturalman (01/10/2014) [-]
In real fights where skill is involved there is rarely time to get exhausted because the techniques are more to the point., and the fight is generally over very fast. but exhausted or not, it would take a pretty strong woman to do much to me, but then I am not exactly average, but then even the average man shouldn't have to work till exhaustion to defeat a woman. I have had conflicts with men and women and teenagers, I know pretty well what all sorts of people are truly capable of and I tell you that between hollywood and things like that gif and the comments being made here, most people tend to remain weak and unaware. I salute the girl for employing what she knew, but if it was my daughter I would have scolded her first for fighting because the best defense a woman has is the element of surprise and that should be kept until it is life or death, then I would have scolded her again for not using more devastating moves once she was already in the fight, and if it was my son after he was punished for trying to steal and being a punk, I would punish him for being weak and giving people the illusion of equality which, when unchallenged makes society upside down and when challenged, renders females unrealistic as to how to use potentially effective techniques because they think they can just pull a charlie's angels move and knock a guy twice their size flying with ease.

Teaching people that the sexes are equal it to invite idiocy and disaster, realistic teaching is far more useful and dignified. The kids here on this site are already so indoctrinated with horseshit they are mentally retarded from it, I just speak up my little voice to let those few kids here that aren't so far gone that they aren't alone.
User avatar #29 - Deeticky (01/10/2014) [-]
The techniques we teach are specifically meant to prolong the fight so that you may wear your opponent out. Also, regardless of your strength, it would not take a strong woman to break your arm if you were tired and if she used proper technique. I know this because I have seen hundreds of first-hand accounts and have been involved in numerous fights against people significantly stronger than me. The U.S. army even uses a battlefield-oriented modification of the combatives system that I teach.

I never claimed that women and men were equal in terms of biological strength either. I said the opposite, actually. And yeah, those Charlie's Angels moves would usually fail in real life. I agree with you there. That's why I teach Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. It's not as pretty as the hollywood stuff, but it's way more effective.

Also, my friend, I'm not even saying this to be snarky or rude, I promise, but perhaps you should seek some counseling? If you've allowed your anger to bring you into so many conflicts with men, women and children, it may be beyond your control. The best way to win a fight isn't my technique nor yours, but the best way to win a fight is to never let it happen in the first place. I would just ask you, as a fellow man, to look at yourself and ask "Has my anger become uncontrollable?" Even if someone says something rude to you, if you knock them out, it's you who will go to jail, not to mention the amount of damage that many stress hormones can do to your body. I'm just concerned.

#32 - naturalman (01/10/2014) [-]
Man, I know about ju jitsu, I have played with it to see if I liked it, but I find it has a place where it is effectrive but its simply not generally efficient enough to suit me. I too have faced very strong men omn real situations and also trained and sparred with such, testing techniques and escapes. I know what I can and cant do and i get tired of people telling me how women could kick my ass, if there is such a lady on earth I will probably never meet her, so lets all just get real here, there are not many women alive which could use that move to break my arm even if I was tired, also there are even fewer women in the world who could get me tired in a conflict to begin with. Fights dont usually go long with over matched or skilled people- except in styles like ju jitsu that purposefully try to drag it out (which only works in sport fighting or against not so great fighters).

As for my anger and stress, I just have my lines in the sand and these days people think it is funny to cross other peoples lines, But honestly I dont get as much face to face aggression from people as I used to when I was younger primarily because I dont look as fun to mess with as I must have in the past. As for prison, well, I dont feel that when a person holds someone else accountable for committing a tort against them that such a person should be jailed so I generally tend to apply myself to getting away with whatever forms of defense or discipline I engage in. However, I have done time before, I dont particularly like it but I cant let that stop me from standing my ground when the need arises.

I have to say honestly, not to put you down, but it really sounds like you have not had much experience in actually fighting dangerous and potentially deadly men or any women at all. That is not a bad thing at all, but when you come across as a fighting expert, that's where the lack of experience heads into assumption territory.
User avatar #44 - Deeticky (01/10/2014) [-]
You not liking jiu jitsu doesn't mean that it doesn't work. Perhaps what you trained was tournament jiu-jitsu. Tournament jiu-jitsu is very different than combatives/street jiu-jitsu. What is jiu jitsu weak against? Multiple attackers. If you get ganged up on, there really aren't a lot of martial arts that can help you.

How do you know that there are so few women who could defeat you if you were tired and they were trained? You just seem more confident in that assumption than you should be.

I never claimed that there were a lot of women who could defeat you. I never even claimed that my students could defeat you. In fact, I avoided making assumptions about you personally as much as I could. I only believe that your arm would be broken by a girl if she were able to tire you out and if she had a lot of training under her belt. I'm sure the amount of women who could not beat you up vastly outnumbers the amount of women who could beat you up. I never disputed that.

I'm also pretty confused about your assumption that I haven't fought anyone dangerous? You have literally no evidence to back that claim up. You just seem to want to dismiss my opinion by pretending I don't have as much experience as you. Honestly, I don't start fights. There's no reason for me to do that. I have goals, and I need to stay out of jail if I want to accomplish those goals. I have however, been attacked with a knife twice and a gun once. (The second knife attack was the only one that sent me to the hospital, but that's because it devolved into a struggle and I got cut. Both of us did.) Minneapolis can be a dangerous city sometimes. I've had my share of self-defense situations. But I'm not super proud of that. There are a lot of times where I wish I would've not fought at all. Life's just less stressful that way. I hate having to worry about the legal repercussions of hurting someone. I would just ask you to not make assumptions about me without evidence.
#47 - naturalman (01/10/2014) [-]
To the first paragraph- it was combat ju jitsu, also I didnt say it wasn't effective, just that its effectiveness was limited. It is weak against jamming and aggressive real life kickboxing and ground and pound/dirty street fighting

To the second paragraph - I know because I have fought all kinds of people, even some tougher than average trained women.

To your third paragraph - among other things you said "Also, regardless of your strength, it would not take a strong woman to break your arm if you were tired and if she used proper technique."

To the fourth paragraph - while everyone could be considered potentially dangerous in some way, I was speaking more of strong aggressive men who are accustomed to getting into potentially lethal fights (such as the type you meet in prison) and my evidence that you dont have enough experience comes from the things you are saying, do a stint in a serious prison and fight when they try to rape you, again and again,you will quickly see why a lot of the things you have been saying here dont wash.

As for you choosing a peaceful path and trying to be prepared and ready to defend yourself only if forced to, I think that is really the best way, but being a bullied half breed weirdo from a family that valued and practiced martial arts (and fought a lot) does tend to lend one a lot of fighting experience long before the brain develops enough to realize that one should strive to be more noble. The people who scare me are the ones who are brought up in as much violence as I was but also lack any notion of honor, and it is guys like them, not guys like me who are the reason for training in self defense in the first place. The myth about bullies is that they are all cowards, some are, but most are people for whom violence comes with their mothers milk, they have zero fear in a fight and loads of experience and they often train too, in techniques that really work, those are the ones who determine the truth about hand to hand combat.
User avatar #51 - Deeticky (01/10/2014) [-]


To the first: I'm really not sure which jiu jitsu you trained, but ours is actually the most effective grappling discipline against ground and pound and kickboxing that there is. In terms of jamming? Yeah, sometimes we're weak against experienced wrestlers, but we do have things we can do.

Second: And I know I'm right because of all the people I've fought and my students have fought. It's just my opinion against yours, and we really can't prove each other wrong in that regard.

Third: i apologize if i sounded like I was talking about you specifically. I was using the girl kimura as more of a general reference. I've never seen you in person, so I wouldn't know which moves would be effective against you.

If we're going to start being that specific though, (As in born into chaos, no honor, prison rape, pure violence stuff) then the most effective martial art in the world would be firearm training and years of battlefield experience. Even with all of my training, could a trained combat veteran with a gun defeat me? No doubt about it, they could. Could they defeat you? No doubt about it, they could. One headshot would end either of us. I've fought people who've been to prison. In prison, from what I've read at least, people often attack in groups with improvised weapons. That's just not the same as a one on one fight. The only way you can win against an armed group of people is to have your own armed group of people.

I'm still baffled as to how anything I said "proves I'm inexperienced." Yeah, I don't teach people how to win prison fights. I teach people how to defend themselves against the common street thug. Does that make me inexperienced? I sure don't think so. I know that most of my advanced students could beat up most of the people they would encounter on the street if they needed to. But they don't need to, because we teach them how to win by avoiding a fight all together as well.
#106 - naturalman (01/11/2014) [-]
You are a polite person, which makes it easy to believe you may truly be a professional martial artist. You probably have more than average experience too. I am preoccupied with other things and dont want to carry on with this. I will just say that I maintain that females are inferior and that boys who get beat up by them are either handicapped or remiss in their masculinity. Also, that gif really looks like a set up fake scenario. You be safe and have a great day.
#109 - Deeticky (01/11/2014) [-]
Ok. Thank you for being polite as well. I disagree with your opinions, but that doesn't make me right in the exact same way that it doesn't make you right. they are, after all, just opinions.
#20 - Womens Study Major (01/10/2014) [-]
You are a liar is what you are. Males the superior sex? Males can be more whiny and weaker then females. I don't see you popping a baby out. Get real, I believe you are actually an autistic neckbeard who obviously has negative feelings towards women due to being "friend zoned". Faggot
User avatar #37 - texasbarbie (01/10/2014) [-]
First point I would like to make is that my 9 year old brother does not fuck up the english grammar and laws of writing as ocassionally as you do.

Secondly, I personally believe that there is no chance a male could be "weaker" than a female. Unless you consider that most women are psychopaths that will try to kill you when they are in a bad mood.

Lastly, I would like to infrom you that there is no way you can compare labor to having your testicles kicked full-force. Any person on their right mind KNOWS that the latter hurts equally not to say more than the former does. Imagine it being like having your guts pulled inside out...Because that is what it feels like...A pain in the lower abdomen so intense that you get sick...Some men even vomit...Prove me wrong but I have not heard of a woman vomiting during labor...

And in case you are stupid enough to not realise, there is a big FUCK YOU writen all over this post that perfectly explains my feelings towards you and all the other ignorant, pig-squealing, psycopath, fetal-alcohol-syndrome, cri-du-chat syndrome,trisomic,turner's syndrome , doorknob sucking, sewer dwelling assclowns of your race.
#103 - Womens Study Major (01/10/2014) [-]
For your first point, English is my second language. SO there you can go fuck yourself, Secondly, I wasn't comparing getting kicked in the nuts to childbirth. You might want to try actually reading, instead of assuming and going off on a tangent. There are plenty of males that are weaker than women. To think that isn't possible makes you an idiot. I see you also have negative issues towards women, you are the ignorant asshole who apparently doesn't understand about half of what they are saying. It's a bunch of hateful gibberish. Men are a bunch of crybabies who like to believe they are superior and that women are the crazy ones, I've met plenty of crazy guys who are actual psychopaths who enjoy hurting anything with a pulse. When it comes down to it it's proven that men tend to be more mentally unstable and prone to senseless violence than women. So take your virgin fueled rant elsewhere.
#110 - texasbarbie (01/11/2014) [-]
I will again analyze my reply, this time using dashes like this one - to help you grasp the concepts I will attempt to touch on.

-English is my second language aswell. It is not even an official language in my country. English being your second language is not an excuse you for abusing it.

-If you did not compare the pain involved in groin-shots and childbirth, then you most probably meant that women are "special" for giving birth to children.Mind you, you would not be able to do that without males, so how about you shut your pie hole.However I still strongly believe that you just barfed "childbirth' because you believe it is the most painful feeling you can experience...In that case, try swallowing hydrocyanide.

-"Try acutally reading.."...oh I did read...and from what I read, I understood that you have the emotional range of a teaspoon.

-An idiot is a person who has lower-than-average IQ and cannot function normally in a society. You just called an "idiot" a person who created a theroem in Differential Calculus by the age of 17 (In case you might be wondering why it is not "out" yet, is because I still lack the full mathematic knowledge to prove it)..Same thing goes for "ingorant asshole who doesn't understand half of what they are saying". Again, it merely comes down to whether or not you understand the meaning of the word "ignorant" which refers to someone lacking in knowledge...And trust me, I have enough knowledge to suggest that you consult a doctor about your cri-du-chat syndrome.

-I am not being close to hateful. I love the female nature and every single aspect of it. However I absolutely, unequivocally LOATHE people like you, who insult ANYONE that does not embrace their opinion.

Again, nobody likes you. FUCK YOU.

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#25 - naturalman (01/10/2014) [-]
Mhmm, well you enjoy your equality, I myself will remain superior.
#102 - Womens Study Major (01/10/2014) [-]
Superior, right, quite the joke. Great thing about the internet is you can pretend to be whatever you want when your real life is garbage. Try something more believable.
#16 - I don't think he got a chance to be as aggressive though, sinc…  [+] (21 new replies) 01/10/2014 on Don't mess with me 0
#17 - naturalman (01/10/2014) [-]
If he was as aggressive she was would have made his chance, also a mentally strong and truly aggressive male isn't going to be dropped by a nutshot. As I say, he was a little punk who deserved to get beaten by a female.
User avatar #18 - Deeticky (01/10/2014) [-]
He deserved to get beaten because he was a thief.

Have you ever watched mma? Particularly the ufc? Those fighters are literally the most physically and mentally strong fighters in the world. They get dropped by nutshots all the time. That's the reason groin kicks are illegal in the sport.

Based on her kicks I think that the girl has probably trained taekwondo. Taekwondo might not be the most effective of all martial arts, but it definitely teaches you how to throw an extremely hard kick to the balls.
#19 - naturalman (01/10/2014) [-]
I am a grown man and a lifelong street fighter (because I have a bad temper and society only gets more and more impolite). I have been kicked in the nuts and everywhere else lots of times, it is not pleasant, but the rage it fills me with compensates for any pain and nausea I may feel. Same with my brothers and my friends, we are pretty tough guys. In mma they drop from nutshots to make it obvious for the ref to make the call, if it were a real fight they would keep their feet.

That kid did deserve that treatment for being a thief, but also for being a weakling and a troublemaker. However when I am my friends were his age we werent shitheads like that but at the same time, no females stood a snowball's chance in hell against us, but then, neither did most of the boys.
User avatar #21 - Deeticky (01/10/2014) [-]
That's true of some of the fighters, but there are also times when you can see the fighter suffer from the groin shot for the rest of the fight. The benefit of getting dropped by a nutshot is really nonexistent anyway. All you get is about 20 seconds of rest (which your opponent gets too, and if you try to rest for longer, you just get booed by the crowd.

I'm a grown man as well and have been training martial arts for over a decade. I also teach Brazilian jiu jitsu. And yeah, maybe that specific nut shot wouldn't have dropped you, because in your rage, you'd be coursing with adrenaline. It's not strength that protects your nuts, it's just adrenaline. I'm not saying you're not strong, because I have know way of knowing whtether or not you are, I'm just saying that the adrenaline flowing through your veins blocks pain signals from reaching your brain.

And yeah, females are naturally weaker physically than males, but that doesn't mean that with proper technique they can't overcome "strong" guys, even those who are street fighters. I've met and taught a decent amount of girls who've done exactly that. Next to proper technique, an opponent's pain tolerance doesn't matter. When you're locking someone's shoulder up with a proper kimura, that shoulder is going to break whether they can tolerate the pain or not.

I guess my point is that trying to downplay the girl's good technique by saying that the guy was just weak isn't fair to her and her training.
#24 - naturalman (01/10/2014) [-]
Her technique was ok for dealing with the likes of him but you have to realize that even good holds and techniques can be ineffectual when you are supremely overmatched. An average sized woman could not use a kimura to break my shoulder unless I was asleep /paralyzed/already severely injured,/etc. simply because the amount of resistance I can employ is greater the combination of her strength and leverage. That boy simply would not have been beaten if he had any backbone at all, her technique only worked because he was too inexperienced and had too low a pain tolerance to deal with her aggression.

Now I do acknowledge that a very rare few women can actually be pretty tough when compared to soft average American men, but such are very rare and still very very few of them can even match an in shape, aggressive teenage boy with any pain tolerance and or training.

And yeah a good nutshot can lower your game a bit but being dropped into wide open helplessness? Not an experienced or even really pissed fighter will let that happen unless it is way way waayyyyy harder than anything a female that size can dish out.
User avatar #26 - Deeticky (01/10/2014) [-]
Well, my friend, I disagree with nearly everything you've said.

Yeah, if you're fighting a girl for some reason, and she's trained in Brazilian jiu jitsu and for whatever reason she puts you into a kimura right away, then yeah, you'll probably be able to break out using brute strength. That is exactly why we teach our students not to go for a submission when the opponent if fresh and full of energy. Many of the moves and positions we teach are all about wearing your opponent out while allowing yourself to remain relatively fresh and unharmed. Once your opponent is tired, a submission becomes easy. People can't resist when they're tired.
#27 - naturalman (01/10/2014) [-]
In real fights where skill is involved there is rarely time to get exhausted because the techniques are more to the point., and the fight is generally over very fast. but exhausted or not, it would take a pretty strong woman to do much to me, but then I am not exactly average, but then even the average man shouldn't have to work till exhaustion to defeat a woman. I have had conflicts with men and women and teenagers, I know pretty well what all sorts of people are truly capable of and I tell you that between hollywood and things like that gif and the comments being made here, most people tend to remain weak and unaware. I salute the girl for employing what she knew, but if it was my daughter I would have scolded her first for fighting because the best defense a woman has is the element of surprise and that should be kept until it is life or death, then I would have scolded her again for not using more devastating moves once she was already in the fight, and if it was my son after he was punished for trying to steal and being a punk, I would punish him for being weak and giving people the illusion of equality which, when unchallenged makes society upside down and when challenged, renders females unrealistic as to how to use potentially effective techniques because they think they can just pull a charlie's angels move and knock a guy twice their size flying with ease.

Teaching people that the sexes are equal it to invite idiocy and disaster, realistic teaching is far more useful and dignified. The kids here on this site are already so indoctrinated with horseshit they are mentally retarded from it, I just speak up my little voice to let those few kids here that aren't so far gone that they aren't alone.
User avatar #29 - Deeticky (01/10/2014) [-]
The techniques we teach are specifically meant to prolong the fight so that you may wear your opponent out. Also, regardless of your strength, it would not take a strong woman to break your arm if you were tired and if she used proper technique. I know this because I have seen hundreds of first-hand accounts and have been involved in numerous fights against people significantly stronger than me. The U.S. army even uses a battlefield-oriented modification of the combatives system that I teach.

I never claimed that women and men were equal in terms of biological strength either. I said the opposite, actually. And yeah, those Charlie's Angels moves would usually fail in real life. I agree with you there. That's why I teach Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. It's not as pretty as the hollywood stuff, but it's way more effective.

Also, my friend, I'm not even saying this to be snarky or rude, I promise, but perhaps you should seek some counseling? If you've allowed your anger to bring you into so many conflicts with men, women and children, it may be beyond your control. The best way to win a fight isn't my technique nor yours, but the best way to win a fight is to never let it happen in the first place. I would just ask you, as a fellow man, to look at yourself and ask "Has my anger become uncontrollable?" Even if someone says something rude to you, if you knock them out, it's you who will go to jail, not to mention the amount of damage that many stress hormones can do to your body. I'm just concerned.

#32 - naturalman (01/10/2014) [-]
Man, I know about ju jitsu, I have played with it to see if I liked it, but I find it has a place where it is effectrive but its simply not generally efficient enough to suit me. I too have faced very strong men omn real situations and also trained and sparred with such, testing techniques and escapes. I know what I can and cant do and i get tired of people telling me how women could kick my ass, if there is such a lady on earth I will probably never meet her, so lets all just get real here, there are not many women alive which could use that move to break my arm even if I was tired, also there are even fewer women in the world who could get me tired in a conflict to begin with. Fights dont usually go long with over matched or skilled people- except in styles like ju jitsu that purposefully try to drag it out (which only works in sport fighting or against not so great fighters).

As for my anger and stress, I just have my lines in the sand and these days people think it is funny to cross other peoples lines, But honestly I dont get as much face to face aggression from people as I used to when I was younger primarily because I dont look as fun to mess with as I must have in the past. As for prison, well, I dont feel that when a person holds someone else accountable for committing a tort against them that such a person should be jailed so I generally tend to apply myself to getting away with whatever forms of defense or discipline I engage in. However, I have done time before, I dont particularly like it but I cant let that stop me from standing my ground when the need arises.

I have to say honestly, not to put you down, but it really sounds like you have not had much experience in actually fighting dangerous and potentially deadly men or any women at all. That is not a bad thing at all, but when you come across as a fighting expert, that's where the lack of experience heads into assumption territory.
User avatar #44 - Deeticky (01/10/2014) [-]
You not liking jiu jitsu doesn't mean that it doesn't work. Perhaps what you trained was tournament jiu-jitsu. Tournament jiu-jitsu is very different than combatives/street jiu-jitsu. What is jiu jitsu weak against? Multiple attackers. If you get ganged up on, there really aren't a lot of martial arts that can help you.

How do you know that there are so few women who could defeat you if you were tired and they were trained? You just seem more confident in that assumption than you should be.

I never claimed that there were a lot of women who could defeat you. I never even claimed that my students could defeat you. In fact, I avoided making assumptions about you personally as much as I could. I only believe that your arm would be broken by a girl if she were able to tire you out and if she had a lot of training under her belt. I'm sure the amount of women who could not beat you up vastly outnumbers the amount of women who could beat you up. I never disputed that.

I'm also pretty confused about your assumption that I haven't fought anyone dangerous? You have literally no evidence to back that claim up. You just seem to want to dismiss my opinion by pretending I don't have as much experience as you. Honestly, I don't start fights. There's no reason for me to do that. I have goals, and I need to stay out of jail if I want to accomplish those goals. I have however, been attacked with a knife twice and a gun once. (The second knife attack was the only one that sent me to the hospital, but that's because it devolved into a struggle and I got cut. Both of us did.) Minneapolis can be a dangerous city sometimes. I've had my share of self-defense situations. But I'm not super proud of that. There are a lot of times where I wish I would've not fought at all. Life's just less stressful that way. I hate having to worry about the legal repercussions of hurting someone. I would just ask you to not make assumptions about me without evidence.
#47 - naturalman (01/10/2014) [-]
To the first paragraph- it was combat ju jitsu, also I didnt say it wasn't effective, just that its effectiveness was limited. It is weak against jamming and aggressive real life kickboxing and ground and pound/dirty street fighting

To the second paragraph - I know because I have fought all kinds of people, even some tougher than average trained women.

To your third paragraph - among other things you said "Also, regardless of your strength, it would not take a strong woman to break your arm if you were tired and if she used proper technique."

To the fourth paragraph - while everyone could be considered potentially dangerous in some way, I was speaking more of strong aggressive men who are accustomed to getting into potentially lethal fights (such as the type you meet in prison) and my evidence that you dont have enough experience comes from the things you are saying, do a stint in a serious prison and fight when they try to rape you, again and again,you will quickly see why a lot of the things you have been saying here dont wash.

As for you choosing a peaceful path and trying to be prepared and ready to defend yourself only if forced to, I think that is really the best way, but being a bullied half breed weirdo from a family that valued and practiced martial arts (and fought a lot) does tend to lend one a lot of fighting experience long before the brain develops enough to realize that one should strive to be more noble. The people who scare me are the ones who are brought up in as much violence as I was but also lack any notion of honor, and it is guys like them, not guys like me who are the reason for training in self defense in the first place. The myth about bullies is that they are all cowards, some are, but most are people for whom violence comes with their mothers milk, they have zero fear in a fight and loads of experience and they often train too, in techniques that really work, those are the ones who determine the truth about hand to hand combat.
User avatar #51 - Deeticky (01/10/2014) [-]


To the first: I'm really not sure which jiu jitsu you trained, but ours is actually the most effective grappling discipline against ground and pound and kickboxing that there is. In terms of jamming? Yeah, sometimes we're weak against experienced wrestlers, but we do have things we can do.

Second: And I know I'm right because of all the people I've fought and my students have fought. It's just my opinion against yours, and we really can't prove each other wrong in that regard.

Third: i apologize if i sounded like I was talking about you specifically. I was using the girl kimura as more of a general reference. I've never seen you in person, so I wouldn't know which moves would be effective against you.

If we're going to start being that specific though, (As in born into chaos, no honor, prison rape, pure violence stuff) then the most effective martial art in the world would be firearm training and years of battlefield experience. Even with all of my training, could a trained combat veteran with a gun defeat me? No doubt about it, they could. Could they defeat you? No doubt about it, they could. One headshot would end either of us. I've fought people who've been to prison. In prison, from what I've read at least, people often attack in groups with improvised weapons. That's just not the same as a one on one fight. The only way you can win against an armed group of people is to have your own armed group of people.

I'm still baffled as to how anything I said "proves I'm inexperienced." Yeah, I don't teach people how to win prison fights. I teach people how to defend themselves against the common street thug. Does that make me inexperienced? I sure don't think so. I know that most of my advanced students could beat up most of the people they would encounter on the street if they needed to. But they don't need to, because we teach them how to win by avoiding a fight all together as well.
#106 - naturalman (01/11/2014) [-]
You are a polite person, which makes it easy to believe you may truly be a professional martial artist. You probably have more than average experience too. I am preoccupied with other things and dont want to carry on with this. I will just say that I maintain that females are inferior and that boys who get beat up by them are either handicapped or remiss in their masculinity. Also, that gif really looks like a set up fake scenario. You be safe and have a great day.
#109 - Deeticky (01/11/2014) [-]
Ok. Thank you for being polite as well. I disagree with your opinions, but that doesn't make me right in the exact same way that it doesn't make you right. they are, after all, just opinions.
#20 - Womens Study Major (01/10/2014) [-]
You are a liar is what you are. Males the superior sex? Males can be more whiny and weaker then females. I don't see you popping a baby out. Get real, I believe you are actually an autistic neckbeard who obviously has negative feelings towards women due to being "friend zoned". Faggot
User avatar #37 - texasbarbie (01/10/2014) [-]
First point I would like to make is that my 9 year old brother does not fuck up the english grammar and laws of writing as ocassionally as you do.

Secondly, I personally believe that there is no chance a male could be "weaker" than a female. Unless you consider that most women are psychopaths that will try to kill you when they are in a bad mood.

Lastly, I would like to infrom you that there is no way you can compare labor to having your testicles kicked full-force. Any person on their right mind KNOWS that the latter hurts equally not to say more than the former does. Imagine it being like having your guts pulled inside out...Because that is what it feels like...A pain in the lower abdomen so intense that you get sick...Some men even vomit...Prove me wrong but I have not heard of a woman vomiting during labor...

And in case you are stupid enough to not realise, there is a big FUCK YOU writen all over this post that perfectly explains my feelings towards you and all the other ignorant, pig-squealing, psycopath, fetal-alcohol-syndrome, cri-du-chat syndrome,trisomic,turner's syndrome , doorknob sucking, sewer dwelling assclowns of your race.
#103 - Womens Study Major (01/10/2014) [-]
For your first point, English is my second language. SO there you can go fuck yourself, Secondly, I wasn't comparing getting kicked in the nuts to childbirth. You might want to try actually reading, instead of assuming and going off on a tangent. There are plenty of males that are weaker than women. To think that isn't possible makes you an idiot. I see you also have negative issues towards women, you are the ignorant asshole who apparently doesn't understand about half of what they are saying. It's a bunch of hateful gibberish. Men are a bunch of crybabies who like to believe they are superior and that women are the crazy ones, I've met plenty of crazy guys who are actual psychopaths who enjoy hurting anything with a pulse. When it comes down to it it's proven that men tend to be more mentally unstable and prone to senseless violence than women. So take your virgin fueled rant elsewhere.
#110 - texasbarbie (01/11/2014) [-]
I will again analyze my reply, this time using dashes like this one - to help you grasp the concepts I will attempt to touch on.

-English is my second language aswell. It is not even an official language in my country. English being your second language is not an excuse you for abusing it.

-If you did not compare the pain involved in groin-shots and childbirth, then you most probably meant that women are "special" for giving birth to children.Mind you, you would not be able to do that without males, so how about you shut your pie hole.However I still strongly believe that you just barfed "childbirth' because you believe it is the most painful feeling you can experience...In that case, try swallowing hydrocyanide.

-"Try acutally reading.."...oh I did read...and from what I read, I understood that you have the emotional range of a teaspoon.

-An idiot is a person who has lower-than-average IQ and cannot function normally in a society. You just called an "idiot" a person who created a theroem in Differential Calculus by the age of 17 (In case you might be wondering why it is not "out" yet, is because I still lack the full mathematic knowledge to prove it)..Same thing goes for "ingorant asshole who doesn't understand half of what they are saying". Again, it merely comes down to whether or not you understand the meaning of the word "ignorant" which refers to someone lacking in knowledge...And trust me, I have enough knowledge to suggest that you consult a doctor about your cri-du-chat syndrome.

-I am not being close to hateful. I love the female nature and every single aspect of it. However I absolutely, unequivocally LOATHE people like you, who insult ANYONE that does not embrace their opinion.

Again, nobody likes you. FUCK YOU.

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#25 - naturalman (01/10/2014) [-]
Mhmm, well you enjoy your equality, I myself will remain superior.
#102 - Womens Study Major (01/10/2014) [-]
Superior, right, quite the joke. Great thing about the internet is you can pretend to be whatever you want when your real life is garbage. Try something more believable.
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