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#44 - You not liking jiu jitsu doesn't mean that it doesn't work. Pe…  [+] (4 new replies) 01/10/2014 on Don't mess with me 0
#47 - naturalman (01/10/2014) [-]
To the first paragraph- it was combat ju jitsu, also I didnt say it wasn't effective, just that its effectiveness was limited. It is weak against jamming and aggressive real life kickboxing and ground and pound/dirty street fighting

To the second paragraph - I know because I have fought all kinds of people, even some tougher than average trained women.

To your third paragraph - among other things you said "Also, regardless of your strength, it would not take a strong woman to break your arm if you were tired and if she used proper technique."

To the fourth paragraph - while everyone could be considered potentially dangerous in some way, I was speaking more of strong aggressive men who are accustomed to getting into potentially lethal fights (such as the type you meet in prison) and my evidence that you dont have enough experience comes from the things you are saying, do a stint in a serious prison and fight when they try to rape you, again and again,you will quickly see why a lot of the things you have been saying here dont wash.

As for you choosing a peaceful path and trying to be prepared and ready to defend yourself only if forced to, I think that is really the best way, but being a bullied half breed weirdo from a family that valued and practiced martial arts (and fought a lot) does tend to lend one a lot of fighting experience long before the brain develops enough to realize that one should strive to be more noble. The people who scare me are the ones who are brought up in as much violence as I was but also lack any notion of honor, and it is guys like them, not guys like me who are the reason for training in self defense in the first place. The myth about bullies is that they are all cowards, some are, but most are people for whom violence comes with their mothers milk, they have zero fear in a fight and loads of experience and they often train too, in techniques that really work, those are the ones who determine the truth about hand to hand combat.
User avatar #51 - Deeticky (01/10/2014) [-]


To the first: I'm really not sure which jiu jitsu you trained, but ours is actually the most effective grappling discipline against ground and pound and kickboxing that there is. In terms of jamming? Yeah, sometimes we're weak against experienced wrestlers, but we do have things we can do.

Second: And I know I'm right because of all the people I've fought and my students have fought. It's just my opinion against yours, and we really can't prove each other wrong in that regard.

Third: i apologize if i sounded like I was talking about you specifically. I was using the girl kimura as more of a general reference. I've never seen you in person, so I wouldn't know which moves would be effective against you.

If we're going to start being that specific though, (As in born into chaos, no honor, prison rape, pure violence stuff) then the most effective martial art in the world would be firearm training and years of battlefield experience. Even with all of my training, could a trained combat veteran with a gun defeat me? No doubt about it, they could. Could they defeat you? No doubt about it, they could. One headshot would end either of us. I've fought people who've been to prison. In prison, from what I've read at least, people often attack in groups with improvised weapons. That's just not the same as a one on one fight. The only way you can win against an armed group of people is to have your own armed group of people.

I'm still baffled as to how anything I said "proves I'm inexperienced." Yeah, I don't teach people how to win prison fights. I teach people how to defend themselves against the common street thug. Does that make me inexperienced? I sure don't think so. I know that most of my advanced students could beat up most of the people they would encounter on the street if they needed to. But they don't need to, because we teach them how to win by avoiding a fight all together as well.
#106 - naturalman (01/11/2014) [-]
You are a polite person, which makes it easy to believe you may truly be a professional martial artist. You probably have more than average experience too. I am preoccupied with other things and dont want to carry on with this. I will just say that I maintain that females are inferior and that boys who get beat up by them are either handicapped or remiss in their masculinity. Also, that gif really looks like a set up fake scenario. You be safe and have a great day.
#109 - Deeticky (01/11/2014) [-]
Ok. Thank you for being polite as well. I disagree with your opinions, but that doesn't make me right in the exact same way that it doesn't make you right. they are, after all, just opinions.
#29 - The techniques we teach are specifically meant to prolong the …  [+] (6 new replies) 01/10/2014 on Don't mess with me 0
#32 - naturalman (01/10/2014) [-]
Man, I know about ju jitsu, I have played with it to see if I liked it, but I find it has a place where it is effectrive but its simply not generally efficient enough to suit me. I too have faced very strong men omn real situations and also trained and sparred with such, testing techniques and escapes. I know what I can and cant do and i get tired of people telling me how women could kick my ass, if there is such a lady on earth I will probably never meet her, so lets all just get real here, there are not many women alive which could use that move to break my arm even if I was tired, also there are even fewer women in the world who could get me tired in a conflict to begin with. Fights dont usually go long with over matched or skilled people- except in styles like ju jitsu that purposefully try to drag it out (which only works in sport fighting or against not so great fighters).

As for my anger and stress, I just have my lines in the sand and these days people think it is funny to cross other peoples lines, But honestly I dont get as much face to face aggression from people as I used to when I was younger primarily because I dont look as fun to mess with as I must have in the past. As for prison, well, I dont feel that when a person holds someone else accountable for committing a tort against them that such a person should be jailed so I generally tend to apply myself to getting away with whatever forms of defense or discipline I engage in. However, I have done time before, I dont particularly like it but I cant let that stop me from standing my ground when the need arises.

I have to say honestly, not to put you down, but it really sounds like you have not had much experience in actually fighting dangerous and potentially deadly men or any women at all. That is not a bad thing at all, but when you come across as a fighting expert, that's where the lack of experience heads into assumption territory.
User avatar #44 - Deeticky (01/10/2014) [-]
You not liking jiu jitsu doesn't mean that it doesn't work. Perhaps what you trained was tournament jiu-jitsu. Tournament jiu-jitsu is very different than combatives/street jiu-jitsu. What is jiu jitsu weak against? Multiple attackers. If you get ganged up on, there really aren't a lot of martial arts that can help you.

How do you know that there are so few women who could defeat you if you were tired and they were trained? You just seem more confident in that assumption than you should be.

I never claimed that there were a lot of women who could defeat you. I never even claimed that my students could defeat you. In fact, I avoided making assumptions about you personally as much as I could. I only believe that your arm would be broken by a girl if she were able to tire you out and if she had a lot of training under her belt. I'm sure the amount of women who could not beat you up vastly outnumbers the amount of women who could beat you up. I never disputed that.

I'm also pretty confused about your assumption that I haven't fought anyone dangerous? You have literally no evidence to back that claim up. You just seem to want to dismiss my opinion by pretending I don't have as much experience as you. Honestly, I don't start fights. There's no reason for me to do that. I have goals, and I need to stay out of jail if I want to accomplish those goals. I have however, been attacked with a knife twice and a gun once. (The second knife attack was the only one that sent me to the hospital, but that's because it devolved into a struggle and I got cut. Both of us did.) Minneapolis can be a dangerous city sometimes. I've had my share of self-defense situations. But I'm not super proud of that. There are a lot of times where I wish I would've not fought at all. Life's just less stressful that way. I hate having to worry about the legal repercussions of hurting someone. I would just ask you to not make assumptions about me without evidence.
#47 - naturalman (01/10/2014) [-]
To the first paragraph- it was combat ju jitsu, also I didnt say it wasn't effective, just that its effectiveness was limited. It is weak against jamming and aggressive real life kickboxing and ground and pound/dirty street fighting

To the second paragraph - I know because I have fought all kinds of people, even some tougher than average trained women.

To your third paragraph - among other things you said "Also, regardless of your strength, it would not take a strong woman to break your arm if you were tired and if she used proper technique."

To the fourth paragraph - while everyone could be considered potentially dangerous in some way, I was speaking more of strong aggressive men who are accustomed to getting into potentially lethal fights (such as the type you meet in prison) and my evidence that you dont have enough experience comes from the things you are saying, do a stint in a serious prison and fight when they try to rape you, again and again,you will quickly see why a lot of the things you have been saying here dont wash.

As for you choosing a peaceful path and trying to be prepared and ready to defend yourself only if forced to, I think that is really the best way, but being a bullied half breed weirdo from a family that valued and practiced martial arts (and fought a lot) does tend to lend one a lot of fighting experience long before the brain develops enough to realize that one should strive to be more noble. The people who scare me are the ones who are brought up in as much violence as I was but also lack any notion of honor, and it is guys like them, not guys like me who are the reason for training in self defense in the first place. The myth about bullies is that they are all cowards, some are, but most are people for whom violence comes with their mothers milk, they have zero fear in a fight and loads of experience and they often train too, in techniques that really work, those are the ones who determine the truth about hand to hand combat.
User avatar #51 - Deeticky (01/10/2014) [-]


To the first: I'm really not sure which jiu jitsu you trained, but ours is actually the most effective grappling discipline against ground and pound and kickboxing that there is. In terms of jamming? Yeah, sometimes we're weak against experienced wrestlers, but we do have things we can do.

Second: And I know I'm right because of all the people I've fought and my students have fought. It's just my opinion against yours, and we really can't prove each other wrong in that regard.

Third: i apologize if i sounded like I was talking about you specifically. I was using the girl kimura as more of a general reference. I've never seen you in person, so I wouldn't know which moves would be effective against you.

If we're going to start being that specific though, (As in born into chaos, no honor, prison rape, pure violence stuff) then the most effective martial art in the world would be firearm training and years of battlefield experience. Even with all of my training, could a trained combat veteran with a gun defeat me? No doubt about it, they could. Could they defeat you? No doubt about it, they could. One headshot would end either of us. I've fought people who've been to prison. In prison, from what I've read at least, people often attack in groups with improvised weapons. That's just not the same as a one on one fight. The only way you can win against an armed group of people is to have your own armed group of people.

I'm still baffled as to how anything I said "proves I'm inexperienced." Yeah, I don't teach people how to win prison fights. I teach people how to defend themselves against the common street thug. Does that make me inexperienced? I sure don't think so. I know that most of my advanced students could beat up most of the people they would encounter on the street if they needed to. But they don't need to, because we teach them how to win by avoiding a fight all together as well.
#106 - naturalman (01/11/2014) [-]
You are a polite person, which makes it easy to believe you may truly be a professional martial artist. You probably have more than average experience too. I am preoccupied with other things and dont want to carry on with this. I will just say that I maintain that females are inferior and that boys who get beat up by them are either handicapped or remiss in their masculinity. Also, that gif really looks like a set up fake scenario. You be safe and have a great day.
#109 - Deeticky (01/11/2014) [-]
Ok. Thank you for being polite as well. I disagree with your opinions, but that doesn't make me right in the exact same way that it doesn't make you right. they are, after all, just opinions.
#26 - Well, my friend, I disagree with nearly everything you've said…  [+] (8 new replies) 01/10/2014 on Don't mess with me 0
#27 - naturalman (01/10/2014) [-]
In real fights where skill is involved there is rarely time to get exhausted because the techniques are more to the point., and the fight is generally over very fast. but exhausted or not, it would take a pretty strong woman to do much to me, but then I am not exactly average, but then even the average man shouldn't have to work till exhaustion to defeat a woman. I have had conflicts with men and women and teenagers, I know pretty well what all sorts of people are truly capable of and I tell you that between hollywood and things like that gif and the comments being made here, most people tend to remain weak and unaware. I salute the girl for employing what she knew, but if it was my daughter I would have scolded her first for fighting because the best defense a woman has is the element of surprise and that should be kept until it is life or death, then I would have scolded her again for not using more devastating moves once she was already in the fight, and if it was my son after he was punished for trying to steal and being a punk, I would punish him for being weak and giving people the illusion of equality which, when unchallenged makes society upside down and when challenged, renders females unrealistic as to how to use potentially effective techniques because they think they can just pull a charlie's angels move and knock a guy twice their size flying with ease.

Teaching people that the sexes are equal it to invite idiocy and disaster, realistic teaching is far more useful and dignified. The kids here on this site are already so indoctrinated with horseshit they are mentally retarded from it, I just speak up my little voice to let those few kids here that aren't so far gone that they aren't alone.
User avatar #29 - Deeticky (01/10/2014) [-]
The techniques we teach are specifically meant to prolong the fight so that you may wear your opponent out. Also, regardless of your strength, it would not take a strong woman to break your arm if you were tired and if she used proper technique. I know this because I have seen hundreds of first-hand accounts and have been involved in numerous fights against people significantly stronger than me. The U.S. army even uses a battlefield-oriented modification of the combatives system that I teach.

I never claimed that women and men were equal in terms of biological strength either. I said the opposite, actually. And yeah, those Charlie's Angels moves would usually fail in real life. I agree with you there. That's why I teach Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. It's not as pretty as the hollywood stuff, but it's way more effective.

Also, my friend, I'm not even saying this to be snarky or rude, I promise, but perhaps you should seek some counseling? If you've allowed your anger to bring you into so many conflicts with men, women and children, it may be beyond your control. The best way to win a fight isn't my technique nor yours, but the best way to win a fight is to never let it happen in the first place. I would just ask you, as a fellow man, to look at yourself and ask "Has my anger become uncontrollable?" Even if someone says something rude to you, if you knock them out, it's you who will go to jail, not to mention the amount of damage that many stress hormones can do to your body. I'm just concerned.

#32 - naturalman (01/10/2014) [-]
Man, I know about ju jitsu, I have played with it to see if I liked it, but I find it has a place where it is effectrive but its simply not generally efficient enough to suit me. I too have faced very strong men omn real situations and also trained and sparred with such, testing techniques and escapes. I know what I can and cant do and i get tired of people telling me how women could kick my ass, if there is such a lady on earth I will probably never meet her, so lets all just get real here, there are not many women alive which could use that move to break my arm even if I was tired, also there are even fewer women in the world who could get me tired in a conflict to begin with. Fights dont usually go long with over matched or skilled people- except in styles like ju jitsu that purposefully try to drag it out (which only works in sport fighting or against not so great fighters).

As for my anger and stress, I just have my lines in the sand and these days people think it is funny to cross other peoples lines, But honestly I dont get as much face to face aggression from people as I used to when I was younger primarily because I dont look as fun to mess with as I must have in the past. As for prison, well, I dont feel that when a person holds someone else accountable for committing a tort against them that such a person should be jailed so I generally tend to apply myself to getting away with whatever forms of defense or discipline I engage in. However, I have done time before, I dont particularly like it but I cant let that stop me from standing my ground when the need arises.

I have to say honestly, not to put you down, but it really sounds like you have not had much experience in actually fighting dangerous and potentially deadly men or any women at all. That is not a bad thing at all, but when you come across as a fighting expert, that's where the lack of experience heads into assumption territory.
User avatar #44 - Deeticky (01/10/2014) [-]
You not liking jiu jitsu doesn't mean that it doesn't work. Perhaps what you trained was tournament jiu-jitsu. Tournament jiu-jitsu is very different than combatives/street jiu-jitsu. What is jiu jitsu weak against? Multiple attackers. If you get ganged up on, there really aren't a lot of martial arts that can help you.

How do you know that there are so few women who could defeat you if you were tired and they were trained? You just seem more confident in that assumption than you should be.

I never claimed that there were a lot of women who could defeat you. I never even claimed that my students could defeat you. In fact, I avoided making assumptions about you personally as much as I could. I only believe that your arm would be broken by a girl if she were able to tire you out and if she had a lot of training under her belt. I'm sure the amount of women who could not beat you up vastly outnumbers the amount of women who could beat you up. I never disputed that.

I'm also pretty confused about your assumption that I haven't fought anyone dangerous? You have literally no evidence to back that claim up. You just seem to want to dismiss my opinion by pretending I don't have as much experience as you. Honestly, I don't start fights. There's no reason for me to do that. I have goals, and I need to stay out of jail if I want to accomplish those goals. I have however, been attacked with a knife twice and a gun once. (The second knife attack was the only one that sent me to the hospital, but that's because it devolved into a struggle and I got cut. Both of us did.) Minneapolis can be a dangerous city sometimes. I've had my share of self-defense situations. But I'm not super proud of that. There are a lot of times where I wish I would've not fought at all. Life's just less stressful that way. I hate having to worry about the legal repercussions of hurting someone. I would just ask you to not make assumptions about me without evidence.
#47 - naturalman (01/10/2014) [-]
To the first paragraph- it was combat ju jitsu, also I didnt say it wasn't effective, just that its effectiveness was limited. It is weak against jamming and aggressive real life kickboxing and ground and pound/dirty street fighting

To the second paragraph - I know because I have fought all kinds of people, even some tougher than average trained women.

To your third paragraph - among other things you said "Also, regardless of your strength, it would not take a strong woman to break your arm if you were tired and if she used proper technique."

To the fourth paragraph - while everyone could be considered potentially dangerous in some way, I was speaking more of strong aggressive men who are accustomed to getting into potentially lethal fights (such as the type you meet in prison) and my evidence that you dont have enough experience comes from the things you are saying, do a stint in a serious prison and fight when they try to rape you, again and again,you will quickly see why a lot of the things you have been saying here dont wash.

As for you choosing a peaceful path and trying to be prepared and ready to defend yourself only if forced to, I think that is really the best way, but being a bullied half breed weirdo from a family that valued and practiced martial arts (and fought a lot) does tend to lend one a lot of fighting experience long before the brain develops enough to realize that one should strive to be more noble. The people who scare me are the ones who are brought up in as much violence as I was but also lack any notion of honor, and it is guys like them, not guys like me who are the reason for training in self defense in the first place. The myth about bullies is that they are all cowards, some are, but most are people for whom violence comes with their mothers milk, they have zero fear in a fight and loads of experience and they often train too, in techniques that really work, those are the ones who determine the truth about hand to hand combat.
User avatar #51 - Deeticky (01/10/2014) [-]


To the first: I'm really not sure which jiu jitsu you trained, but ours is actually the most effective grappling discipline against ground and pound and kickboxing that there is. In terms of jamming? Yeah, sometimes we're weak against experienced wrestlers, but we do have things we can do.

Second: And I know I'm right because of all the people I've fought and my students have fought. It's just my opinion against yours, and we really can't prove each other wrong in that regard.

Third: i apologize if i sounded like I was talking about you specifically. I was using the girl kimura as more of a general reference. I've never seen you in person, so I wouldn't know which moves would be effective against you.

If we're going to start being that specific though, (As in born into chaos, no honor, prison rape, pure violence stuff) then the most effective martial art in the world would be firearm training and years of battlefield experience. Even with all of my training, could a trained combat veteran with a gun defeat me? No doubt about it, they could. Could they defeat you? No doubt about it, they could. One headshot would end either of us. I've fought people who've been to prison. In prison, from what I've read at least, people often attack in groups with improvised weapons. That's just not the same as a one on one fight. The only way you can win against an armed group of people is to have your own armed group of people.

I'm still baffled as to how anything I said "proves I'm inexperienced." Yeah, I don't teach people how to win prison fights. I teach people how to defend themselves against the common street thug. Does that make me inexperienced? I sure don't think so. I know that most of my advanced students could beat up most of the people they would encounter on the street if they needed to. But they don't need to, because we teach them how to win by avoiding a fight all together as well.
#106 - naturalman (01/11/2014) [-]
You are a polite person, which makes it easy to believe you may truly be a professional martial artist. You probably have more than average experience too. I am preoccupied with other things and dont want to carry on with this. I will just say that I maintain that females are inferior and that boys who get beat up by them are either handicapped or remiss in their masculinity. Also, that gif really looks like a set up fake scenario. You be safe and have a great day.
#109 - Deeticky (01/11/2014) [-]
Ok. Thank you for being polite as well. I disagree with your opinions, but that doesn't make me right in the exact same way that it doesn't make you right. they are, after all, just opinions.
#21 - That's true of some of the fighters, but there are also times …  [+] (10 new replies) 01/10/2014 on Don't mess with me 0
#24 - naturalman (01/10/2014) [-]
Her technique was ok for dealing with the likes of him but you have to realize that even good holds and techniques can be ineffectual when you are supremely overmatched. An average sized woman could not use a kimura to break my shoulder unless I was asleep /paralyzed/already severely injured,/etc. simply because the amount of resistance I can employ is greater the combination of her strength and leverage. That boy simply would not have been beaten if he had any backbone at all, her technique only worked because he was too inexperienced and had too low a pain tolerance to deal with her aggression.

Now I do acknowledge that a very rare few women can actually be pretty tough when compared to soft average American men, but such are very rare and still very very few of them can even match an in shape, aggressive teenage boy with any pain tolerance and or training.

And yeah a good nutshot can lower your game a bit but being dropped into wide open helplessness? Not an experienced or even really pissed fighter will let that happen unless it is way way waayyyyy harder than anything a female that size can dish out.
User avatar #26 - Deeticky (01/10/2014) [-]
Well, my friend, I disagree with nearly everything you've said.

Yeah, if you're fighting a girl for some reason, and she's trained in Brazilian jiu jitsu and for whatever reason she puts you into a kimura right away, then yeah, you'll probably be able to break out using brute strength. That is exactly why we teach our students not to go for a submission when the opponent if fresh and full of energy. Many of the moves and positions we teach are all about wearing your opponent out while allowing yourself to remain relatively fresh and unharmed. Once your opponent is tired, a submission becomes easy. People can't resist when they're tired.
#27 - naturalman (01/10/2014) [-]
In real fights where skill is involved there is rarely time to get exhausted because the techniques are more to the point., and the fight is generally over very fast. but exhausted or not, it would take a pretty strong woman to do much to me, but then I am not exactly average, but then even the average man shouldn't have to work till exhaustion to defeat a woman. I have had conflicts with men and women and teenagers, I know pretty well what all sorts of people are truly capable of and I tell you that between hollywood and things like that gif and the comments being made here, most people tend to remain weak and unaware. I salute the girl for employing what she knew, but if it was my daughter I would have scolded her first for fighting because the best defense a woman has is the element of surprise and that should be kept until it is life or death, then I would have scolded her again for not using more devastating moves once she was already in the fight, and if it was my son after he was punished for trying to steal and being a punk, I would punish him for being weak and giving people the illusion of equality which, when unchallenged makes society upside down and when challenged, renders females unrealistic as to how to use potentially effective techniques because they think they can just pull a charlie's angels move and knock a guy twice their size flying with ease.

Teaching people that the sexes are equal it to invite idiocy and disaster, realistic teaching is far more useful and dignified. The kids here on this site are already so indoctrinated with horseshit they are mentally retarded from it, I just speak up my little voice to let those few kids here that aren't so far gone that they aren't alone.
User avatar #29 - Deeticky (01/10/2014) [-]
The techniques we teach are specifically meant to prolong the fight so that you may wear your opponent out. Also, regardless of your strength, it would not take a strong woman to break your arm if you were tired and if she used proper technique. I know this because I have seen hundreds of first-hand accounts and have been involved in numerous fights against people significantly stronger than me. The U.S. army even uses a battlefield-oriented modification of the combatives system that I teach.

I never claimed that women and men were equal in terms of biological strength either. I said the opposite, actually. And yeah, those Charlie's Angels moves would usually fail in real life. I agree with you there. That's why I teach Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. It's not as pretty as the hollywood stuff, but it's way more effective.

Also, my friend, I'm not even saying this to be snarky or rude, I promise, but perhaps you should seek some counseling? If you've allowed your anger to bring you into so many conflicts with men, women and children, it may be beyond your control. The best way to win a fight isn't my technique nor yours, but the best way to win a fight is to never let it happen in the first place. I would just ask you, as a fellow man, to look at yourself and ask "Has my anger become uncontrollable?" Even if someone says something rude to you, if you knock them out, it's you who will go to jail, not to mention the amount of damage that many stress hormones can do to your body. I'm just concerned.

#32 - naturalman (01/10/2014) [-]
Man, I know about ju jitsu, I have played with it to see if I liked it, but I find it has a place where it is effectrive but its simply not generally efficient enough to suit me. I too have faced very strong men omn real situations and also trained and sparred with such, testing techniques and escapes. I know what I can and cant do and i get tired of people telling me how women could kick my ass, if there is such a lady on earth I will probably never meet her, so lets all just get real here, there are not many women alive which could use that move to break my arm even if I was tired, also there are even fewer women in the world who could get me tired in a conflict to begin with. Fights dont usually go long with over matched or skilled people- except in styles like ju jitsu that purposefully try to drag it out (which only works in sport fighting or against not so great fighters).

As for my anger and stress, I just have my lines in the sand and these days people think it is funny to cross other peoples lines, But honestly I dont get as much face to face aggression from people as I used to when I was younger primarily because I dont look as fun to mess with as I must have in the past. As for prison, well, I dont feel that when a person holds someone else accountable for committing a tort against them that such a person should be jailed so I generally tend to apply myself to getting away with whatever forms of defense or discipline I engage in. However, I have done time before, I dont particularly like it but I cant let that stop me from standing my ground when the need arises.

I have to say honestly, not to put you down, but it really sounds like you have not had much experience in actually fighting dangerous and potentially deadly men or any women at all. That is not a bad thing at all, but when you come across as a fighting expert, that's where the lack of experience heads into assumption territory.
User avatar #44 - Deeticky (01/10/2014) [-]
You not liking jiu jitsu doesn't mean that it doesn't work. Perhaps what you trained was tournament jiu-jitsu. Tournament jiu-jitsu is very different than combatives/street jiu-jitsu. What is jiu jitsu weak against? Multiple attackers. If you get ganged up on, there really aren't a lot of martial arts that can help you.

How do you know that there are so few women who could defeat you if you were tired and they were trained? You just seem more confident in that assumption than you should be.

I never claimed that there were a lot of women who could defeat you. I never even claimed that my students could defeat you. In fact, I avoided making assumptions about you personally as much as I could. I only believe that your arm would be broken by a girl if she were able to tire you out and if she had a lot of training under her belt. I'm sure the amount of women who could not beat you up vastly outnumbers the amount of women who could beat you up. I never disputed that.

I'm also pretty confused about your assumption that I haven't fought anyone dangerous? You have literally no evidence to back that claim up. You just seem to want to dismiss my opinion by pretending I don't have as much experience as you. Honestly, I don't start fights. There's no reason for me to do that. I have goals, and I need to stay out of jail if I want to accomplish those goals. I have however, been attacked with a knife twice and a gun once. (The second knife attack was the only one that sent me to the hospital, but that's because it devolved into a struggle and I got cut. Both of us did.) Minneapolis can be a dangerous city sometimes. I've had my share of self-defense situations. But I'm not super proud of that. There are a lot of times where I wish I would've not fought at all. Life's just less stressful that way. I hate having to worry about the legal repercussions of hurting someone. I would just ask you to not make assumptions about me without evidence.
#47 - naturalman (01/10/2014) [-]
To the first paragraph- it was combat ju jitsu, also I didnt say it wasn't effective, just that its effectiveness was limited. It is weak against jamming and aggressive real life kickboxing and ground and pound/dirty street fighting

To the second paragraph - I know because I have fought all kinds of people, even some tougher than average trained women.

To your third paragraph - among other things you said "Also, regardless of your strength, it would not take a strong woman to break your arm if you were tired and if she used proper technique."

To the fourth paragraph - while everyone could be considered potentially dangerous in some way, I was speaking more of strong aggressive men who are accustomed to getting into potentially lethal fights (such as the type you meet in prison) and my evidence that you dont have enough experience comes from the things you are saying, do a stint in a serious prison and fight when they try to rape you, again and again,you will quickly see why a lot of the things you have been saying here dont wash.

As for you choosing a peaceful path and trying to be prepared and ready to defend yourself only if forced to, I think that is really the best way, but being a bullied half breed weirdo from a family that valued and practiced martial arts (and fought a lot) does tend to lend one a lot of fighting experience long before the brain develops enough to realize that one should strive to be more noble. The people who scare me are the ones who are brought up in as much violence as I was but also lack any notion of honor, and it is guys like them, not guys like me who are the reason for training in self defense in the first place. The myth about bullies is that they are all cowards, some are, but most are people for whom violence comes with their mothers milk, they have zero fear in a fight and loads of experience and they often train too, in techniques that really work, those are the ones who determine the truth about hand to hand combat.
User avatar #51 - Deeticky (01/10/2014) [-]


To the first: I'm really not sure which jiu jitsu you trained, but ours is actually the most effective grappling discipline against ground and pound and kickboxing that there is. In terms of jamming? Yeah, sometimes we're weak against experienced wrestlers, but we do have things we can do.

Second: And I know I'm right because of all the people I've fought and my students have fought. It's just my opinion against yours, and we really can't prove each other wrong in that regard.

Third: i apologize if i sounded like I was talking about you specifically. I was using the girl kimura as more of a general reference. I've never seen you in person, so I wouldn't know which moves would be effective against you.

If we're going to start being that specific though, (As in born into chaos, no honor, prison rape, pure violence stuff) then the most effective martial art in the world would be firearm training and years of battlefield experience. Even with all of my training, could a trained combat veteran with a gun defeat me? No doubt about it, they could. Could they defeat you? No doubt about it, they could. One headshot would end either of us. I've fought people who've been to prison. In prison, from what I've read at least, people often attack in groups with improvised weapons. That's just not the same as a one on one fight. The only way you can win against an armed group of people is to have your own armed group of people.

I'm still baffled as to how anything I said "proves I'm inexperienced." Yeah, I don't teach people how to win prison fights. I teach people how to defend themselves against the common street thug. Does that make me inexperienced? I sure don't think so. I know that most of my advanced students could beat up most of the people they would encounter on the street if they needed to. But they don't need to, because we teach them how to win by avoiding a fight all together as well.
#106 - naturalman (01/11/2014) [-]
You are a polite person, which makes it easy to believe you may truly be a professional martial artist. You probably have more than average experience too. I am preoccupied with other things and dont want to carry on with this. I will just say that I maintain that females are inferior and that boys who get beat up by them are either handicapped or remiss in their masculinity. Also, that gif really looks like a set up fake scenario. You be safe and have a great day.
#109 - Deeticky (01/11/2014) [-]
Ok. Thank you for being polite as well. I disagree with your opinions, but that doesn't make me right in the exact same way that it doesn't make you right. they are, after all, just opinions.
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#19 - naturalman (01/10/2014) [-]
I am a grown man and a lifelong street fighter (because I have a bad temper and society only gets more and more impolite). I have been kicked in the nuts and everywhere else lots of times, it is not pleasant, but the rage it fills me with compensates for any pain and nausea I may feel. Same with my brothers and my friends, we are pretty tough guys. In mma they drop from nutshots to make it obvious for the ref to make the call, if it were a real fight they would keep their feet.

That kid did deserve that treatment for being a thief, but also for being a weakling and a troublemaker. However when I am my friends were his age we werent shitheads like that but at the same time, no females stood a snowball's chance in hell against us, but then, neither did most of the boys.
User avatar #21 - Deeticky (01/10/2014) [-]
That's true of some of the fighters, but there are also times when you can see the fighter suffer from the groin shot for the rest of the fight. The benefit of getting dropped by a nutshot is really nonexistent anyway. All you get is about 20 seconds of rest (which your opponent gets too, and if you try to rest for longer, you just get booed by the crowd.

I'm a grown man as well and have been training martial arts for over a decade. I also teach Brazilian jiu jitsu. And yeah, maybe that specific nut shot wouldn't have dropped you, because in your rage, you'd be coursing with adrenaline. It's not strength that protects your nuts, it's just adrenaline. I'm not saying you're not strong, because I have know way of knowing whtether or not you are, I'm just saying that the adrenaline flowing through your veins blocks pain signals from reaching your brain.

And yeah, females are naturally weaker physically than males, but that doesn't mean that with proper technique they can't overcome "strong" guys, even those who are street fighters. I've met and taught a decent amount of girls who've done exactly that. Next to proper technique, an opponent's pain tolerance doesn't matter. When you're locking someone's shoulder up with a proper kimura, that shoulder is going to break whether they can tolerate the pain or not.

I guess my point is that trying to downplay the girl's good technique by saying that the guy was just weak isn't fair to her and her training.
#24 - naturalman (01/10/2014) [-]
Her technique was ok for dealing with the likes of him but you have to realize that even good holds and techniques can be ineffectual when you are supremely overmatched. An average sized woman could not use a kimura to break my shoulder unless I was asleep /paralyzed/already severely injured,/etc. simply because the amount of resistance I can employ is greater the combination of her strength and leverage. That boy simply would not have been beaten if he had any backbone at all, her technique only worked because he was too inexperienced and had too low a pain tolerance to deal with her aggression.

Now I do acknowledge that a very rare few women can actually be pretty tough when compared to soft average American men, but such are very rare and still very very few of them can even match an in shape, aggressive teenage boy with any pain tolerance and or training.

And yeah a good nutshot can lower your game a bit but being dropped into wide open helplessness? Not an experienced or even really pissed fighter will let that happen unless it is way way waayyyyy harder than anything a female that size can dish out.
User avatar #26 - Deeticky (01/10/2014) [-]
Well, my friend, I disagree with nearly everything you've said.

Yeah, if you're fighting a girl for some reason, and she's trained in Brazilian jiu jitsu and for whatever reason she puts you into a kimura right away, then yeah, you'll probably be able to break out using brute strength. That is exactly why we teach our students not to go for a submission when the opponent if fresh and full of energy. Many of the moves and positions we teach are all about wearing your opponent out while allowing yourself to remain relatively fresh and unharmed. Once your opponent is tired, a submission becomes easy. People can't resist when they're tired.
#27 - naturalman (01/10/2014) [-]
In real fights where skill is involved there is rarely time to get exhausted because the techniques are more to the point., and the fight is generally over very fast. but exhausted or not, it would take a pretty strong woman to do much to me, but then I am not exactly average, but then even the average man shouldn't have to work till exhaustion to defeat a woman. I have had conflicts with men and women and teenagers, I know pretty well what all sorts of people are truly capable of and I tell you that between hollywood and things like that gif and the comments being made here, most people tend to remain weak and unaware. I salute the girl for employing what she knew, but if it was my daughter I would have scolded her first for fighting because the best defense a woman has is the element of surprise and that should be kept until it is life or death, then I would have scolded her again for not using more devastating moves once she was already in the fight, and if it was my son after he was punished for trying to steal and being a punk, I would punish him for being weak and giving people the illusion of equality which, when unchallenged makes society upside down and when challenged, renders females unrealistic as to how to use potentially effective techniques because they think they can just pull a charlie's angels move and knock a guy twice their size flying with ease.

Teaching people that the sexes are equal it to invite idiocy and disaster, realistic teaching is far more useful and dignified. The kids here on this site are already so indoctrinated with horseshit they are mentally retarded from it, I just speak up my little voice to let those few kids here that aren't so far gone that they aren't alone.
User avatar #29 - Deeticky (01/10/2014) [-]
The techniques we teach are specifically meant to prolong the fight so that you may wear your opponent out. Also, regardless of your strength, it would not take a strong woman to break your arm if you were tired and if she used proper technique. I know this because I have seen hundreds of first-hand accounts and have been involved in numerous fights against people significantly stronger than me. The U.S. army even uses a battlefield-oriented modification of the combatives system that I teach.

I never claimed that women and men were equal in terms of biological strength either. I said the opposite, actually. And yeah, those Charlie's Angels moves would usually fail in real life. I agree with you there. That's why I teach Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. It's not as pretty as the hollywood stuff, but it's way more effective.

Also, my friend, I'm not even saying this to be snarky or rude, I promise, but perhaps you should seek some counseling? If you've allowed your anger to bring you into so many conflicts with men, women and children, it may be beyond your control. The best way to win a fight isn't my technique nor yours, but the best way to win a fight is to never let it happen in the first place. I would just ask you, as a fellow man, to look at yourself and ask "Has my anger become uncontrollable?" Even if someone says something rude to you, if you knock them out, it's you who will go to jail, not to mention the amount of damage that many stress hormones can do to your body. I'm just concerned.

#32 - naturalman (01/10/2014) [-]
Man, I know about ju jitsu, I have played with it to see if I liked it, but I find it has a place where it is effectrive but its simply not generally efficient enough to suit me. I too have faced very strong men omn real situations and also trained and sparred with such, testing techniques and escapes. I know what I can and cant do and i get tired of people telling me how women could kick my ass, if there is such a lady on earth I will probably never meet her, so lets all just get real here, there are not many women alive which could use that move to break my arm even if I was tired, also there are even fewer women in the world who could get me tired in a conflict to begin with. Fights dont usually go long with over matched or skilled people- except in styles like ju jitsu that purposefully try to drag it out (which only works in sport fighting or against not so great fighters).

As for my anger and stress, I just have my lines in the sand and these days people think it is funny to cross other peoples lines, But honestly I dont get as much face to face aggression from people as I used to when I was younger primarily because I dont look as fun to mess with as I must have in the past. As for prison, well, I dont feel that when a person holds someone else accountable for committing a tort against them that such a person should be jailed so I generally tend to apply myself to getting away with whatever forms of defense or discipline I engage in. However, I have done time before, I dont particularly like it but I cant let that stop me from standing my ground when the need arises.

I have to say honestly, not to put you down, but it really sounds like you have not had much experience in actually fighting dangerous and potentially deadly men or any women at all. That is not a bad thing at all, but when you come across as a fighting expert, that's where the lack of experience heads into assumption territory.
User avatar #44 - Deeticky (01/10/2014) [-]
You not liking jiu jitsu doesn't mean that it doesn't work. Perhaps what you trained was tournament jiu-jitsu. Tournament jiu-jitsu is very different than combatives/street jiu-jitsu. What is jiu jitsu weak against? Multiple attackers. If you get ganged up on, there really aren't a lot of martial arts that can help you.

How do you know that there are so few women who could defeat you if you were tired and they were trained? You just seem more confident in that assumption than you should be.

I never claimed that there were a lot of women who could defeat you. I never even claimed that my students could defeat you. In fact, I avoided making assumptions about you personally as much as I could. I only believe that your arm would be broken by a girl if she were able to tire you out and if she had a lot of training under her belt. I'm sure the amount of women who could not beat you up vastly outnumbers the amount of women who could beat you up. I never disputed that.

I'm also pretty confused about your assumption that I haven't fought anyone dangerous? You have literally no evidence to back that claim up. You just seem to want to dismiss my opinion by pretending I don't have as much experience as you. Honestly, I don't start fights. There's no reason for me to do that. I have goals, and I need to stay out of jail if I want to accomplish those goals. I have however, been attacked with a knife twice and a gun once. (The second knife attack was the only one that sent me to the hospital, but that's because it devolved into a struggle and I got cut. Both of us did.) Minneapolis can be a dangerous city sometimes. I've had my share of self-defense situations. But I'm not super proud of that. There are a lot of times where I wish I would've not fought at all. Life's just less stressful that way. I hate having to worry about the legal repercussions of hurting someone. I would just ask you to not make assumptions about me without evidence.
#47 - naturalman (01/10/2014) [-]
To the first paragraph- it was combat ju jitsu, also I didnt say it wasn't effective, just that its effectiveness was limited. It is weak against jamming and aggressive real life kickboxing and ground and pound/dirty street fighting

To the second paragraph - I know because I have fought all kinds of people, even some tougher than average trained women.

To your third paragraph - among other things you said "Also, regardless of your strength, it would not take a strong woman to break your arm if you were tired and if she used proper technique."

To the fourth paragraph - while everyone could be considered potentially dangerous in some way, I was speaking more of strong aggressive men who are accustomed to getting into potentially lethal fights (such as the type you meet in prison) and my evidence that you dont have enough experience comes from the things you are saying, do a stint in a serious prison and fight when they try to rape you, again and again,you will quickly see why a lot of the things you have been saying here dont wash.

As for you choosing a peaceful path and trying to be prepared and ready to defend yourself only if forced to, I think that is really the best way, but being a bullied half breed weirdo from a family that valued and practiced martial arts (and fought a lot) does tend to lend one a lot of fighting experience long before the brain develops enough to realize that one should strive to be more noble. The people who scare me are the ones who are brought up in as much violence as I was but also lack any notion of honor, and it is guys like them, not guys like me who are the reason for training in self defense in the first place. The myth about bullies is that they are all cowards, some are, but most are people for whom violence comes with their mothers milk, they have zero fear in a fight and loads of experience and they often train too, in techniques that really work, those are the ones who determine the truth about hand to hand combat.
User avatar #51 - Deeticky (01/10/2014) [-]


To the first: I'm really not sure which jiu jitsu you trained, but ours is actually the most effective grappling discipline against ground and pound and kickboxing that there is. In terms of jamming? Yeah, sometimes we're weak against experienced wrestlers, but we do have things we can do.

Second: And I know I'm right because of all the people I've fought and my students have fought. It's just my opinion against yours, and we really can't prove each other wrong in that regard.

Third: i apologize if i sounded like I was talking about you specifically. I was using the girl kimura as more of a general reference. I've never seen you in person, so I wouldn't know which moves would be effective against you.

If we're going to start being that specific though, (As in born into chaos, no honor, prison rape, pure violence stuff) then the most effective martial art in the world would be firearm training and years of battlefield experience. Even with all of my training, could a trained combat veteran with a gun defeat me? No doubt about it, they could. Could they defeat you? No doubt about it, they could. One headshot would end either of us. I've fought people who've been to prison. In prison, from what I've read at least, people often attack in groups with improvised weapons. That's just not the same as a one on one fight. The only way you can win against an armed group of people is to have your own armed group of people.

I'm still baffled as to how anything I said "proves I'm inexperienced." Yeah, I don't teach people how to win prison fights. I teach people how to defend themselves against the common street thug. Does that make me inexperienced? I sure don't think so. I know that most of my advanced students could beat up most of the people they would encounter on the street if they needed to. But they don't need to, because we teach them how to win by avoiding a fight all together as well.
#106 - naturalman (01/11/2014) [-]
You are a polite person, which makes it easy to believe you may truly be a professional martial artist. You probably have more than average experience too. I am preoccupied with other things and dont want to carry on with this. I will just say that I maintain that females are inferior and that boys who get beat up by them are either handicapped or remiss in their masculinity. Also, that gif really looks like a set up fake scenario. You be safe and have a great day.
#109 - Deeticky (01/11/2014) [-]
Ok. Thank you for being polite as well. I disagree with your opinions, but that doesn't make me right in the exact same way that it doesn't make you right. they are, after all, just opinions.
#20 - anonymous (01/10/2014) [-]
You are a liar is what you are. Males the superior sex? Males can be more whiny and weaker then females. I don't see you popping a baby out. Get real, I believe you are actually an autistic neckbeard who obviously has negative feelings towards women due to being "friend zoned". Faggot
User avatar #37 - texasbarbie (01/10/2014) [-]
First point I would like to make is that my 9 year old brother does not fuck up the english grammar and laws of writing as ocassionally as you do.

Secondly, I personally believe that there is no chance a male could be "weaker" than a female. Unless you consider that most women are psychopaths that will try to kill you when they are in a bad mood.

Lastly, I would like to infrom you that there is no way you can compare labor to having your testicles kicked full-force. Any person on their right mind KNOWS that the latter hurts equally not to say more than the former does. Imagine it being like having your guts pulled inside out...Because that is what it feels like...A pain in the lower abdomen so intense that you get sick...Some men even vomit...Prove me wrong but I have not heard of a woman vomiting during labor...

And in case you are stupid enough to not realise, there is a big FUCK YOU writen all over this post that perfectly explains my feelings towards you and all the other ignorant, pig-squealing, psycopath, fetal-alcohol-syndrome, cri-du-chat syndrome,trisomic,turner's syndrome , doorknob sucking, sewer dwelling assclowns of your race.
#103 - anonymous (01/10/2014) [-]
For your first point, English is my second language. SO there you can go fuck yourself, Secondly, I wasn't comparing getting kicked in the nuts to childbirth. You might want to try actually reading, instead of assuming and going off on a tangent. There are plenty of males that are weaker than women. To think that isn't possible makes you an idiot. I see you also have negative issues towards women, you are the ignorant asshole who apparently doesn't understand about half of what they are saying. It's a bunch of hateful gibberish. Men are a bunch of crybabies who like to believe they are superior and that women are the crazy ones, I've met plenty of crazy guys who are actual psychopaths who enjoy hurting anything with a pulse. When it comes down to it it's proven that men tend to be more mentally unstable and prone to senseless violence than women. So take your virgin fueled rant elsewhere.
#110 - texasbarbie (01/11/2014) [-]
I will again analyze my reply, this time using dashes like this one - to help you grasp the concepts I will attempt to touch on.

-English is my second language aswell. It is not even an official language in my country. English being your second language is not an excuse you for abusing it.

-If you did not compare the pain involved in groin-shots and childbirth, then you most probably meant that women are "special" for giving birth to children.Mind you, you would not be able to do that without males, so how about you shut your pie hole.However I still strongly believe that you just barfed "childbirth' because you believe it is the most painful feeling you can experience...In that case, try swallowing hydrocyanide.

-"Try acutally reading.."...oh I did read...and from what I read, I understood that you have the emotional range of a teaspoon.

-An idiot is a person who has lower-than-average IQ and cannot function normally in a society. You just called an "idiot" a person who created a theroem in Differential Calculus by the age of 17 (In case you might be wondering why it is not "out" yet, is because I still lack the full mathematic knowledge to prove it)..Same thing goes for "ingorant asshole who doesn't understand half of what they are saying". Again, it merely comes down to whether or not you understand the meaning of the word "ignorant" which refers to someone lacking in knowledge...And trust me, I have enough knowledge to suggest that you consult a doctor about your cri-du-chat syndrome.

-I am not being close to hateful. I love the female nature and every single aspect of it. However I absolutely, unequivocally LOATHE people like you, who insult ANYONE that does not embrace their opinion.

Again, nobody likes you. FUCK YOU.

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#25 - naturalman (01/10/2014) [-]
Mhmm, well you enjoy your equality, I myself will remain superior.
#102 - anonymous (01/10/2014) [-]
Superior, right, quite the joke. Great thing about the internet is you can pretend to be whatever you want when your real life is garbage. Try something more believable.
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#17 - naturalman (01/10/2014) [-]
If he was as aggressive she was would have made his chance, also a mentally strong and truly aggressive male isn't going to be dropped by a nutshot. As I say, he was a little punk who deserved to get beaten by a female.
User avatar #18 - Deeticky (01/10/2014) [-]
He deserved to get beaten because he was a thief.

Have you ever watched mma? Particularly the ufc? Those fighters are literally the most physically and mentally strong fighters in the world. They get dropped by nutshots all the time. That's the reason groin kicks are illegal in the sport.

Based on her kicks I think that the girl has probably trained taekwondo. Taekwondo might not be the most effective of all martial arts, but it definitely teaches you how to throw an extremely hard kick to the balls.
#19 - naturalman (01/10/2014) [-]
I am a grown man and a lifelong street fighter (because I have a bad temper and society only gets more and more impolite). I have been kicked in the nuts and everywhere else lots of times, it is not pleasant, but the rage it fills me with compensates for any pain and nausea I may feel. Same with my brothers and my friends, we are pretty tough guys. In mma they drop from nutshots to make it obvious for the ref to make the call, if it were a real fight they would keep their feet.

That kid did deserve that treatment for being a thief, but also for being a weakling and a troublemaker. However when I am my friends were his age we werent shitheads like that but at the same time, no females stood a snowball's chance in hell against us, but then, neither did most of the boys.
User avatar #21 - Deeticky (01/10/2014) [-]
That's true of some of the fighters, but there are also times when you can see the fighter suffer from the groin shot for the rest of the fight. The benefit of getting dropped by a nutshot is really nonexistent anyway. All you get is about 20 seconds of rest (which your opponent gets too, and if you try to rest for longer, you just get booed by the crowd.

I'm a grown man as well and have been training martial arts for over a decade. I also teach Brazilian jiu jitsu. And yeah, maybe that specific nut shot wouldn't have dropped you, because in your rage, you'd be coursing with adrenaline. It's not strength that protects your nuts, it's just adrenaline. I'm not saying you're not strong, because I have know way of knowing whtether or not you are, I'm just saying that the adrenaline flowing through your veins blocks pain signals from reaching your brain.

And yeah, females are naturally weaker physically than males, but that doesn't mean that with proper technique they can't overcome "strong" guys, even those who are street fighters. I've met and taught a decent amount of girls who've done exactly that. Next to proper technique, an opponent's pain tolerance doesn't matter. When you're locking someone's shoulder up with a proper kimura, that shoulder is going to break whether they can tolerate the pain or not.

I guess my point is that trying to downplay the girl's good technique by saying that the guy was just weak isn't fair to her and her training.
#24 - naturalman (01/10/2014) [-]
Her technique was ok for dealing with the likes of him but you have to realize that even good holds and techniques can be ineffectual when you are supremely overmatched. An average sized woman could not use a kimura to break my shoulder unless I was asleep /paralyzed/already severely injured,/etc. simply because the amount of resistance I can employ is greater the combination of her strength and leverage. That boy simply would not have been beaten if he had any backbone at all, her technique only worked because he was too inexperienced and had too low a pain tolerance to deal with her aggression.

Now I do acknowledge that a very rare few women can actually be pretty tough when compared to soft average American men, but such are very rare and still very very few of them can even match an in shape, aggressive teenage boy with any pain tolerance and or training.

And yeah a good nutshot can lower your game a bit but being dropped into wide open helplessness? Not an experienced or even really pissed fighter will let that happen unless it is way way waayyyyy harder than anything a female that size can dish out.
User avatar #26 - Deeticky (01/10/2014) [-]
Well, my friend, I disagree with nearly everything you've said.

Yeah, if you're fighting a girl for some reason, and she's trained in Brazilian jiu jitsu and for whatever reason she puts you into a kimura right away, then yeah, you'll probably be able to break out using brute strength. That is exactly why we teach our students not to go for a submission when the opponent if fresh and full of energy. Many of the moves and positions we teach are all about wearing your opponent out while allowing yourself to remain relatively fresh and unharmed. Once your opponent is tired, a submission becomes easy. People can't resist when they're tired.
#27 - naturalman (01/10/2014) [-]
In real fights where skill is involved there is rarely time to get exhausted because the techniques are more to the point., and the fight is generally over very fast. but exhausted or not, it would take a pretty strong woman to do much to me, but then I am not exactly average, but then even the average man shouldn't have to work till exhaustion to defeat a woman. I have had conflicts with men and women and teenagers, I know pretty well what all sorts of people are truly capable of and I tell you that between hollywood and things like that gif and the comments being made here, most people tend to remain weak and unaware. I salute the girl for employing what she knew, but if it was my daughter I would have scolded her first for fighting because the best defense a woman has is the element of surprise and that should be kept until it is life or death, then I would have scolded her again for not using more devastating moves once she was already in the fight, and if it was my son after he was punished for trying to steal and being a punk, I would punish him for being weak and giving people the illusion of equality which, when unchallenged makes society upside down and when challenged, renders females unrealistic as to how to use potentially effective techniques because they think they can just pull a charlie's angels move and knock a guy twice their size flying with ease.

Teaching people that the sexes are equal it to invite idiocy and disaster, realistic teaching is far more useful and dignified. The kids here on this site are already so indoctrinated with horseshit they are mentally retarded from it, I just speak up my little voice to let those few kids here that aren't so far gone that they aren't alone.
User avatar #29 - Deeticky (01/10/2014) [-]
The techniques we teach are specifically meant to prolong the fight so that you may wear your opponent out. Also, regardless of your strength, it would not take a strong woman to break your arm if you were tired and if she used proper technique. I know this because I have seen hundreds of first-hand accounts and have been involved in numerous fights against people significantly stronger than me. The U.S. army even uses a battlefield-oriented modification of the combatives system that I teach.

I never claimed that women and men were equal in terms of biological strength either. I said the opposite, actually. And yeah, those Charlie's Angels moves would usually fail in real life. I agree with you there. That's why I teach Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. It's not as pretty as the hollywood stuff, but it's way more effective.

Also, my friend, I'm not even saying this to be snarky or rude, I promise, but perhaps you should seek some counseling? If you've allowed your anger to bring you into so many conflicts with men, women and children, it may be beyond your control. The best way to win a fight isn't my technique nor yours, but the best way to win a fight is to never let it happen in the first place. I would just ask you, as a fellow man, to look at yourself and ask "Has my anger become uncontrollable?" Even if someone says something rude to you, if you knock them out, it's you who will go to jail, not to mention the amount of damage that many stress hormones can do to your body. I'm just concerned.

#32 - naturalman (01/10/2014) [-]
Man, I know about ju jitsu, I have played with it to see if I liked it, but I find it has a place where it is effectrive but its simply not generally efficient enough to suit me. I too have faced very strong men omn real situations and also trained and sparred with such, testing techniques and escapes. I know what I can and cant do and i get tired of people telling me how women could kick my ass, if there is such a lady on earth I will probably never meet her, so lets all just get real here, there are not many women alive which could use that move to break my arm even if I was tired, also there are even fewer women in the world who could get me tired in a conflict to begin with. Fights dont usually go long with over matched or skilled people- except in styles like ju jitsu that purposefully try to drag it out (which only works in sport fighting or against not so great fighters).

As for my anger and stress, I just have my lines in the sand and these days people think it is funny to cross other peoples lines, But honestly I dont get as much face to face aggression from people as I used to when I was younger primarily because I dont look as fun to mess with as I must have in the past. As for prison, well, I dont feel that when a person holds someone else accountable for committing a tort against them that such a person should be jailed so I generally tend to apply myself to getting away with whatever forms of defense or discipline I engage in. However, I have done time before, I dont particularly like it but I cant let that stop me from standing my ground when the need arises.

I have to say honestly, not to put you down, but it really sounds like you have not had much experience in actually fighting dangerous and potentially deadly men or any women at all. That is not a bad thing at all, but when you come across as a fighting expert, that's where the lack of experience heads into assumption territory.
User avatar #44 - Deeticky (01/10/2014) [-]
You not liking jiu jitsu doesn't mean that it doesn't work. Perhaps what you trained was tournament jiu-jitsu. Tournament jiu-jitsu is very different than combatives/street jiu-jitsu. What is jiu jitsu weak against? Multiple attackers. If you get ganged up on, there really aren't a lot of martial arts that can help you.

How do you know that there are so few women who could defeat you if you were tired and they were trained? You just seem more confident in that assumption than you should be.

I never claimed that there were a lot of women who could defeat you. I never even claimed that my students could defeat you. In fact, I avoided making assumptions about you personally as much as I could. I only believe that your arm would be broken by a girl if she were able to tire you out and if she had a lot of training under her belt. I'm sure the amount of women who could not beat you up vastly outnumbers the amount of women who could beat you up. I never disputed that.

I'm also pretty confused about your assumption that I haven't fought anyone dangerous? You have literally no evidence to back that claim up. You just seem to want to dismiss my opinion by pretending I don't have as much experience as you. Honestly, I don't start fights. There's no reason for me to do that. I have goals, and I need to stay out of jail if I want to accomplish those goals. I have however, been attacked with a knife twice and a gun once. (The second knife attack was the only one that sent me to the hospital, but that's because it devolved into a struggle and I got cut. Both of us did.) Minneapolis can be a dangerous city sometimes. I've had my share of self-defense situations. But I'm not super proud of that. There are a lot of times where I wish I would've not fought at all. Life's just less stressful that way. I hate having to worry about the legal repercussions of hurting someone. I would just ask you to not make assumptions about me without evidence.
#47 - naturalman (01/10/2014) [-]
To the first paragraph- it was combat ju jitsu, also I didnt say it wasn't effective, just that its effectiveness was limited. It is weak against jamming and aggressive real life kickboxing and ground and pound/dirty street fighting

To the second paragraph - I know because I have fought all kinds of people, even some tougher than average trained women.

To your third paragraph - among other things you said "Also, regardless of your strength, it would not take a strong woman to break your arm if you were tired and if she used proper technique."

To the fourth paragraph - while everyone could be considered potentially dangerous in some way, I was speaking more of strong aggressive men who are accustomed to getting into potentially lethal fights (such as the type you meet in prison) and my evidence that you dont have enough experience comes from the things you are saying, do a stint in a serious prison and fight when they try to rape you, again and again,you will quickly see why a lot of the things you have been saying here dont wash.

As for you choosing a peaceful path and trying to be prepared and ready to defend yourself only if forced to, I think that is really the best way, but being a bullied half breed weirdo from a family that valued and practiced martial arts (and fought a lot) does tend to lend one a lot of fighting experience long before the brain develops enough to realize that one should strive to be more noble. The people who scare me are the ones who are brought up in as much violence as I was but also lack any notion of honor, and it is guys like them, not guys like me who are the reason for training in self defense in the first place. The myth about bullies is that they are all cowards, some are, but most are people for whom violence comes with their mothers milk, they have zero fear in a fight and loads of experience and they often train too, in techniques that really work, those are the ones who determine the truth about hand to hand combat.
User avatar #51 - Deeticky (01/10/2014) [-]


To the first: I'm really not sure which jiu jitsu you trained, but ours is actually the most effective grappling discipline against ground and pound and kickboxing that there is. In terms of jamming? Yeah, sometimes we're weak against experienced wrestlers, but we do have things we can do.

Second: And I know I'm right because of all the people I've fought and my students have fought. It's just my opinion against yours, and we really can't prove each other wrong in that regard.

Third: i apologize if i sounded like I was talking about you specifically. I was using the girl kimura as more of a general reference. I've never seen you in person, so I wouldn't know which moves would be effective against you.

If we're going to start being that specific though, (As in born into chaos, no honor, prison rape, pure violence stuff) then the most effective martial art in the world would be firearm training and years of battlefield experience. Even with all of my training, could a trained combat veteran with a gun defeat me? No doubt about it, they could. Could they defeat you? No doubt about it, they could. One headshot would end either of us. I've fought people who've been to prison. In prison, from what I've read at least, people often attack in groups with improvised weapons. That's just not the same as a one on one fight. The only way you can win against an armed group of people is to have your own armed group of people.

I'm still baffled as to how anything I said "proves I'm inexperienced." Yeah, I don't teach people how to win prison fights. I teach people how to defend themselves against the common street thug. Does that make me inexperienced? I sure don't think so. I know that most of my advanced students could beat up most of the people they would encounter on the street if they needed to. But they don't need to, because we teach them how to win by avoiding a fight all together as well.
#106 - naturalman (01/11/2014) [-]
You are a polite person, which makes it easy to believe you may truly be a professional martial artist. You probably have more than average experience too. I am preoccupied with other things and dont want to carry on with this. I will just say that I maintain that females are inferior and that boys who get beat up by them are either handicapped or remiss in their masculinity. Also, that gif really looks like a set up fake scenario. You be safe and have a great day.
#109 - Deeticky (01/11/2014) [-]
Ok. Thank you for being polite as well. I disagree with your opinions, but that doesn't make me right in the exact same way that it doesn't make you right. they are, after all, just opinions.
#20 - anonymous (01/10/2014) [-]
You are a liar is what you are. Males the superior sex? Males can be more whiny and weaker then females. I don't see you popping a baby out. Get real, I believe you are actually an autistic neckbeard who obviously has negative feelings towards women due to being "friend zoned". Faggot
User avatar #37 - texasbarbie (01/10/2014) [-]
First point I would like to make is that my 9 year old brother does not fuck up the english grammar and laws of writing as ocassionally as you do.

Secondly, I personally believe that there is no chance a male could be "weaker" than a female. Unless you consider that most women are psychopaths that will try to kill you when they are in a bad mood.

Lastly, I would like to infrom you that there is no way you can compare labor to having your testicles kicked full-force. Any person on their right mind KNOWS that the latter hurts equally not to say more than the former does. Imagine it being like having your guts pulled inside out...Because that is what it feels like...A pain in the lower abdomen so intense that you get sick...Some men even vomit...Prove me wrong but I have not heard of a woman vomiting during labor...

And in case you are stupid enough to not realise, there is a big FUCK YOU writen all over this post that perfectly explains my feelings towards you and all the other ignorant, pig-squealing, psycopath, fetal-alcohol-syndrome, cri-du-chat syndrome,trisomic,turner's syndrome , doorknob sucking, sewer dwelling assclowns of your race.
#103 - anonymous (01/10/2014) [-]
For your first point, English is my second language. SO there you can go fuck yourself, Secondly, I wasn't comparing getting kicked in the nuts to childbirth. You might want to try actually reading, instead of assuming and going off on a tangent. There are plenty of males that are weaker than women. To think that isn't possible makes you an idiot. I see you also have negative issues towards women, you are the ignorant asshole who apparently doesn't understand about half of what they are saying. It's a bunch of hateful gibberish. Men are a bunch of crybabies who like to believe they are superior and that women are the crazy ones, I've met plenty of crazy guys who are actual psychopaths who enjoy hurting anything with a pulse. When it comes down to it it's proven that men tend to be more mentally unstable and prone to senseless violence than women. So take your virgin fueled rant elsewhere.
#110 - texasbarbie (01/11/2014) [-]
I will again analyze my reply, this time using dashes like this one - to help you grasp the concepts I will attempt to touch on.

-English is my second language aswell. It is not even an official language in my country. English being your second language is not an excuse you for abusing it.

-If you did not compare the pain involved in groin-shots and childbirth, then you most probably meant that women are "special" for giving birth to children.Mind you, you would not be able to do that without males, so how about you shut your pie hole.However I still strongly believe that you just barfed "childbirth' because you believe it is the most painful feeling you can experience...In that case, try swallowing hydrocyanide.

-"Try acutally reading.."...oh I did read...and from what I read, I understood that you have the emotional range of a teaspoon.

-An idiot is a person who has lower-than-average IQ and cannot function normally in a society. You just called an "idiot" a person who created a theroem in Differential Calculus by the age of 17 (In case you might be wondering why it is not "out" yet, is because I still lack the full mathematic knowledge to prove it)..Same thing goes for "ingorant asshole who doesn't understand half of what they are saying". Again, it merely comes down to whether or not you understand the meaning of the word "ignorant" which refers to someone lacking in knowledge...And trust me, I have enough knowledge to suggest that you consult a doctor about your cri-du-chat syndrome.

-I am not being close to hateful. I love the female nature and every single aspect of it. However I absolutely, unequivocally LOATHE people like you, who insult ANYONE that does not embrace their opinion.

Again, nobody likes you. FUCK YOU.

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#25 - naturalman (01/10/2014) [-]
Mhmm, well you enjoy your equality, I myself will remain superior.
#102 - anonymous (01/10/2014) [-]
Superior, right, quite the joke. Great thing about the internet is you can pretend to be whatever you want when your real life is garbage. Try something more believable.
#14 - He was being aggressive, but she distracted him with the pur…  [+] (23 new replies) 01/10/2014 on Don't mess with me +2
#15 - naturalman (01/10/2014) [-]
I said as aggressive as she was, she at least had some idea what she was doing, he didnt and was a pussy too.
User avatar #16 - Deeticky (01/10/2014) [-]
I don't think he got a chance to be as aggressive though, since she kicked him in the balls so fast. It's hard to be aggressive right after taking a big shot to the testicles.
#17 - naturalman (01/10/2014) [-]
If he was as aggressive she was would have made his chance, also a mentally strong and truly aggressive male isn't going to be dropped by a nutshot. As I say, he was a little punk who deserved to get beaten by a female.
User avatar #18 - Deeticky (01/10/2014) [-]
He deserved to get beaten because he was a thief.

Have you ever watched mma? Particularly the ufc? Those fighters are literally the most physically and mentally strong fighters in the world. They get dropped by nutshots all the time. That's the reason groin kicks are illegal in the sport.

Based on her kicks I think that the girl has probably trained taekwondo. Taekwondo might not be the most effective of all martial arts, but it definitely teaches you how to throw an extremely hard kick to the balls.
#19 - naturalman (01/10/2014) [-]
I am a grown man and a lifelong street fighter (because I have a bad temper and society only gets more and more impolite). I have been kicked in the nuts and everywhere else lots of times, it is not pleasant, but the rage it fills me with compensates for any pain and nausea I may feel. Same with my brothers and my friends, we are pretty tough guys. In mma they drop from nutshots to make it obvious for the ref to make the call, if it were a real fight they would keep their feet.

That kid did deserve that treatment for being a thief, but also for being a weakling and a troublemaker. However when I am my friends were his age we werent shitheads like that but at the same time, no females stood a snowball's chance in hell against us, but then, neither did most of the boys.
User avatar #21 - Deeticky (01/10/2014) [-]
That's true of some of the fighters, but there are also times when you can see the fighter suffer from the groin shot for the rest of the fight. The benefit of getting dropped by a nutshot is really nonexistent anyway. All you get is about 20 seconds of rest (which your opponent gets too, and if you try to rest for longer, you just get booed by the crowd.

I'm a grown man as well and have been training martial arts for over a decade. I also teach Brazilian jiu jitsu. And yeah, maybe that specific nut shot wouldn't have dropped you, because in your rage, you'd be coursing with adrenaline. It's not strength that protects your nuts, it's just adrenaline. I'm not saying you're not strong, because I have know way of knowing whtether or not you are, I'm just saying that the adrenaline flowing through your veins blocks pain signals from reaching your brain.

And yeah, females are naturally weaker physically than males, but that doesn't mean that with proper technique they can't overcome "strong" guys, even those who are street fighters. I've met and taught a decent amount of girls who've done exactly that. Next to proper technique, an opponent's pain tolerance doesn't matter. When you're locking someone's shoulder up with a proper kimura, that shoulder is going to break whether they can tolerate the pain or not.

I guess my point is that trying to downplay the girl's good technique by saying that the guy was just weak isn't fair to her and her training.
#24 - naturalman (01/10/2014) [-]
Her technique was ok for dealing with the likes of him but you have to realize that even good holds and techniques can be ineffectual when you are supremely overmatched. An average sized woman could not use a kimura to break my shoulder unless I was asleep /paralyzed/already severely injured,/etc. simply because the amount of resistance I can employ is greater the combination of her strength and leverage. That boy simply would not have been beaten if he had any backbone at all, her technique only worked because he was too inexperienced and had too low a pain tolerance to deal with her aggression.

Now I do acknowledge that a very rare few women can actually be pretty tough when compared to soft average American men, but such are very rare and still very very few of them can even match an in shape, aggressive teenage boy with any pain tolerance and or training.

And yeah a good nutshot can lower your game a bit but being dropped into wide open helplessness? Not an experienced or even really pissed fighter will let that happen unless it is way way waayyyyy harder than anything a female that size can dish out.
User avatar #26 - Deeticky (01/10/2014) [-]
Well, my friend, I disagree with nearly everything you've said.

Yeah, if you're fighting a girl for some reason, and she's trained in Brazilian jiu jitsu and for whatever reason she puts you into a kimura right away, then yeah, you'll probably be able to break out using brute strength. That is exactly why we teach our students not to go for a submission when the opponent if fresh and full of energy. Many of the moves and positions we teach are all about wearing your opponent out while allowing yourself to remain relatively fresh and unharmed. Once your opponent is tired, a submission becomes easy. People can't resist when they're tired.
#27 - naturalman (01/10/2014) [-]
In real fights where skill is involved there is rarely time to get exhausted because the techniques are more to the point., and the fight is generally over very fast. but exhausted or not, it would take a pretty strong woman to do much to me, but then I am not exactly average, but then even the average man shouldn't have to work till exhaustion to defeat a woman. I have had conflicts with men and women and teenagers, I know pretty well what all sorts of people are truly capable of and I tell you that between hollywood and things like that gif and the comments being made here, most people tend to remain weak and unaware. I salute the girl for employing what she knew, but if it was my daughter I would have scolded her first for fighting because the best defense a woman has is the element of surprise and that should be kept until it is life or death, then I would have scolded her again for not using more devastating moves once she was already in the fight, and if it was my son after he was punished for trying to steal and being a punk, I would punish him for being weak and giving people the illusion of equality which, when unchallenged makes society upside down and when challenged, renders females unrealistic as to how to use potentially effective techniques because they think they can just pull a charlie's angels move and knock a guy twice their size flying with ease.

Teaching people that the sexes are equal it to invite idiocy and disaster, realistic teaching is far more useful and dignified. The kids here on this site are already so indoctrinated with horseshit they are mentally retarded from it, I just speak up my little voice to let those few kids here that aren't so far gone that they aren't alone.
User avatar #29 - Deeticky (01/10/2014) [-]
The techniques we teach are specifically meant to prolong the fight so that you may wear your opponent out. Also, regardless of your strength, it would not take a strong woman to break your arm if you were tired and if she used proper technique. I know this because I have seen hundreds of first-hand accounts and have been involved in numerous fights against people significantly stronger than me. The U.S. army even uses a battlefield-oriented modification of the combatives system that I teach.

I never claimed that women and men were equal in terms of biological strength either. I said the opposite, actually. And yeah, those Charlie's Angels moves would usually fail in real life. I agree with you there. That's why I teach Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. It's not as pretty as the hollywood stuff, but it's way more effective.

Also, my friend, I'm not even saying this to be snarky or rude, I promise, but perhaps you should seek some counseling? If you've allowed your anger to bring you into so many conflicts with men, women and children, it may be beyond your control. The best way to win a fight isn't my technique nor yours, but the best way to win a fight is to never let it happen in the first place. I would just ask you, as a fellow man, to look at yourself and ask "Has my anger become uncontrollable?" Even if someone says something rude to you, if you knock them out, it's you who will go to jail, not to mention the amount of damage that many stress hormones can do to your body. I'm just concerned.

#32 - naturalman (01/10/2014) [-]
Man, I know about ju jitsu, I have played with it to see if I liked it, but I find it has a place where it is effectrive but its simply not generally efficient enough to suit me. I too have faced very strong men omn real situations and also trained and sparred with such, testing techniques and escapes. I know what I can and cant do and i get tired of people telling me how women could kick my ass, if there is such a lady on earth I will probably never meet her, so lets all just get real here, there are not many women alive which could use that move to break my arm even if I was tired, also there are even fewer women in the world who could get me tired in a conflict to begin with. Fights dont usually go long with over matched or skilled people- except in styles like ju jitsu that purposefully try to drag it out (which only works in sport fighting or against not so great fighters).

As for my anger and stress, I just have my lines in the sand and these days people think it is funny to cross other peoples lines, But honestly I dont get as much face to face aggression from people as I used to when I was younger primarily because I dont look as fun to mess with as I must have in the past. As for prison, well, I dont feel that when a person holds someone else accountable for committing a tort against them that such a person should be jailed so I generally tend to apply myself to getting away with whatever forms of defense or discipline I engage in. However, I have done time before, I dont particularly like it but I cant let that stop me from standing my ground when the need arises.

I have to say honestly, not to put you down, but it really sounds like you have not had much experience in actually fighting dangerous and potentially deadly men or any women at all. That is not a bad thing at all, but when you come across as a fighting expert, that's where the lack of experience heads into assumption territory.
User avatar #44 - Deeticky (01/10/2014) [-]
You not liking jiu jitsu doesn't mean that it doesn't work. Perhaps what you trained was tournament jiu-jitsu. Tournament jiu-jitsu is very different than combatives/street jiu-jitsu. What is jiu jitsu weak against? Multiple attackers. If you get ganged up on, there really aren't a lot of martial arts that can help you.

How do you know that there are so few women who could defeat you if you were tired and they were trained? You just seem more confident in that assumption than you should be.

I never claimed that there were a lot of women who could defeat you. I never even claimed that my students could defeat you. In fact, I avoided making assumptions about you personally as much as I could. I only believe that your arm would be broken by a girl if she were able to tire you out and if she had a lot of training under her belt. I'm sure the amount of women who could not beat you up vastly outnumbers the amount of women who could beat you up. I never disputed that.

I'm also pretty confused about your assumption that I haven't fought anyone dangerous? You have literally no evidence to back that claim up. You just seem to want to dismiss my opinion by pretending I don't have as much experience as you. Honestly, I don't start fights. There's no reason for me to do that. I have goals, and I need to stay out of jail if I want to accomplish those goals. I have however, been attacked with a knife twice and a gun once. (The second knife attack was the only one that sent me to the hospital, but that's because it devolved into a struggle and I got cut. Both of us did.) Minneapolis can be a dangerous city sometimes. I've had my share of self-defense situations. But I'm not super proud of that. There are a lot of times where I wish I would've not fought at all. Life's just less stressful that way. I hate having to worry about the legal repercussions of hurting someone. I would just ask you to not make assumptions about me without evidence.
#47 - naturalman (01/10/2014) [-]
To the first paragraph- it was combat ju jitsu, also I didnt say it wasn't effective, just that its effectiveness was limited. It is weak against jamming and aggressive real life kickboxing and ground and pound/dirty street fighting

To the second paragraph - I know because I have fought all kinds of people, even some tougher than average trained women.

To your third paragraph - among other things you said "Also, regardless of your strength, it would not take a strong woman to break your arm if you were tired and if she used proper technique."

To the fourth paragraph - while everyone could be considered potentially dangerous in some way, I was speaking more of strong aggressive men who are accustomed to getting into potentially lethal fights (such as the type you meet in prison) and my evidence that you dont have enough experience comes from the things you are saying, do a stint in a serious prison and fight when they try to rape you, again and again,you will quickly see why a lot of the things you have been saying here dont wash.

As for you choosing a peaceful path and trying to be prepared and ready to defend yourself only if forced to, I think that is really the best way, but being a bullied half breed weirdo from a family that valued and practiced martial arts (and fought a lot) does tend to lend one a lot of fighting experience long before the brain develops enough to realize that one should strive to be more noble. The people who scare me are the ones who are brought up in as much violence as I was but also lack any notion of honor, and it is guys like them, not guys like me who are the reason for training in self defense in the first place. The myth about bullies is that they are all cowards, some are, but most are people for whom violence comes with their mothers milk, they have zero fear in a fight and loads of experience and they often train too, in techniques that really work, those are the ones who determine the truth about hand to hand combat.
User avatar #51 - Deeticky (01/10/2014) [-]


To the first: I'm really not sure which jiu jitsu you trained, but ours is actually the most effective grappling discipline against ground and pound and kickboxing that there is. In terms of jamming? Yeah, sometimes we're weak against experienced wrestlers, but we do have things we can do.

Second: And I know I'm right because of all the people I've fought and my students have fought. It's just my opinion against yours, and we really can't prove each other wrong in that regard.

Third: i apologize if i sounded like I was talking about you specifically. I was using the girl kimura as more of a general reference. I've never seen you in person, so I wouldn't know which moves would be effective against you.

If we're going to start being that specific though, (As in born into chaos, no honor, prison rape, pure violence stuff) then the most effective martial art in the world would be firearm training and years of battlefield experience. Even with all of my training, could a trained combat veteran with a gun defeat me? No doubt about it, they could. Could they defeat you? No doubt about it, they could. One headshot would end either of us. I've fought people who've been to prison. In prison, from what I've read at least, people often attack in groups with improvised weapons. That's just not the same as a one on one fight. The only way you can win against an armed group of people is to have your own armed group of people.

I'm still baffled as to how anything I said "proves I'm inexperienced." Yeah, I don't teach people how to win prison fights. I teach people how to defend themselves against the common street thug. Does that make me inexperienced? I sure don't think so. I know that most of my advanced students could beat up most of the people they would encounter on the street if they needed to. But they don't need to, because we teach them how to win by avoiding a fight all together as well.
#106 - naturalman (01/11/2014) [-]
You are a polite person, which makes it easy to believe you may truly be a professional martial artist. You probably have more than average experience too. I am preoccupied with other things and dont want to carry on with this. I will just say that I maintain that females are inferior and that boys who get beat up by them are either handicapped or remiss in their masculinity. Also, that gif really looks like a set up fake scenario. You be safe and have a great day.
#109 - Deeticky (01/11/2014) [-]
Ok. Thank you for being polite as well. I disagree with your opinions, but that doesn't make me right in the exact same way that it doesn't make you right. they are, after all, just opinions.
#20 - anonymous (01/10/2014) [-]
You are a liar is what you are. Males the superior sex? Males can be more whiny and weaker then females. I don't see you popping a baby out. Get real, I believe you are actually an autistic neckbeard who obviously has negative feelings towards women due to being "friend zoned". Faggot
User avatar #37 - texasbarbie (01/10/2014) [-]
First point I would like to make is that my 9 year old brother does not fuck up the english grammar and laws of writing as ocassionally as you do.

Secondly, I personally believe that there is no chance a male could be "weaker" than a female. Unless you consider that most women are psychopaths that will try to kill you when they are in a bad mood.

Lastly, I would like to infrom you that there is no way you can compare labor to having your testicles kicked full-force. Any person on their right mind KNOWS that the latter hurts equally not to say more than the former does. Imagine it being like having your guts pulled inside out...Because that is what it feels like...A pain in the lower abdomen so intense that you get sick...Some men even vomit...Prove me wrong but I have not heard of a woman vomiting during labor...

And in case you are stupid enough to not realise, there is a big FUCK YOU writen all over this post that perfectly explains my feelings towards you and all the other ignorant, pig-squealing, psycopath, fetal-alcohol-syndrome, cri-du-chat syndrome,trisomic,turner's syndrome , doorknob sucking, sewer dwelling assclowns of your race.
#103 - anonymous (01/10/2014) [-]
For your first point, English is my second language. SO there you can go fuck yourself, Secondly, I wasn't comparing getting kicked in the nuts to childbirth. You might want to try actually reading, instead of assuming and going off on a tangent. There are plenty of males that are weaker than women. To think that isn't possible makes you an idiot. I see you also have negative issues towards women, you are the ignorant asshole who apparently doesn't understand about half of what they are saying. It's a bunch of hateful gibberish. Men are a bunch of crybabies who like to believe they are superior and that women are the crazy ones, I've met plenty of crazy guys who are actual psychopaths who enjoy hurting anything with a pulse. When it comes down to it it's proven that men tend to be more mentally unstable and prone to senseless violence than women. So take your virgin fueled rant elsewhere.
#110 - texasbarbie (01/11/2014) [-]
I will again analyze my reply, this time using dashes like this one - to help you grasp the concepts I will attempt to touch on.

-English is my second language aswell. It is not even an official language in my country. English being your second language is not an excuse you for abusing it.

-If you did not compare the pain involved in groin-shots and childbirth, then you most probably meant that women are "special" for giving birth to children.Mind you, you would not be able to do that without males, so how about you shut your pie hole.However I still strongly believe that you just barfed "childbirth' because you believe it is the most painful feeling you can experience...In that case, try swallowing hydrocyanide.

-"Try acutally reading.."...oh I did read...and from what I read, I understood that you have the emotional range of a teaspoon.

-An idiot is a person who has lower-than-average IQ and cannot function normally in a society. You just called an "idiot" a person who created a theroem in Differential Calculus by the age of 17 (In case you might be wondering why it is not "out" yet, is because I still lack the full mathematic knowledge to prove it)..Same thing goes for "ingorant asshole who doesn't understand half of what they are saying". Again, it merely comes down to whether or not you understand the meaning of the word "ignorant" which refers to someone lacking in knowledge...And trust me, I have enough knowledge to suggest that you consult a doctor about your cri-du-chat syndrome.

-I am not being close to hateful. I love the female nature and every single aspect of it. However I absolutely, unequivocally LOATHE people like you, who insult ANYONE that does not embrace their opinion.

Again, nobody likes you. FUCK YOU.

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#25 - naturalman (01/10/2014) [-]
Mhmm, well you enjoy your equality, I myself will remain superior.
#102 - anonymous (01/10/2014) [-]
Superior, right, quite the joke. Great thing about the internet is you can pretend to be whatever you want when your real life is garbage. Try something more believable.
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#35 - kuupuuchan (01/10/2014) [-]
There is also a manga made by Uziga Waita that I think is either based off on this incident or heavily inspired by it.
Uziga is mainly known for making guro/gory manga with sexual themes, and this one is very gory and difficult to read due to the fact that he actually depicted most of the things that these guys did to the poor girl.
I personally regret reading it. Here's the link to the manga below, though I suggest that you don't read it unless you have a strong stomach.
www.guromanga.com/read/shin-gendai-ryoukiden/4673/p3#.UtAkANLuKSo
#37 - Deeticky (01/11/2014) [-]
Thanks for that, man! I've been on the internet for awhile, so I've seen some strong stuff. I've actually come to enjoy it, since it can give me feels.
#38 - kuupuuchan (01/11/2014) [-]
That's interesting. I'm kind of an internet veteran, i've seen a lot of shit myself, and although I don't mind gore there are some things that I just cant bear to look at. This whole case makes my jimmies rustle so much that I want to lie down in fetal position and cry for my mother.
#30 - strangepanda (01/09/2014) [-]
17 SAI (KAMATA YOUJI) is the name of the manga, apparently. www.mangahere.com/manga/17_sai_kamata_youji/ is the link, I hope.
User avatar #34 - Deeticky (01/10/2014) [-]
Thanks!
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User avatar #116 - snood (01/09/2014) [-]
hey thanks man, that's all i was trying to do was tell people what Jesus would probably say about the topic, I'm glad someone read it that way. I'll try to remember to keep the animal part out next time, i just didn't have another example to show why he didn't have to explain gay marriage specifically.
I wish more people had your decency.
User avatar #95 - Shramin (01/09/2014) [-]
My annoyance and burst of anger comes from people using the Bible to state rules that should or should not exist, I am tired of seeing people claim things that are untrue even in the one thing used to back up their statements.

and it saddens me when people clearly believe in what they are using as their claim, yet do not understand or know anything about the very same thing.

You are however correct, I should not be arguing in a violent fashion or with loud words, nor should I really be in this argument at all as it serves no real purpose in the long run.

I do not know what I would be called in terms of belief, I am an international and have encountered many big and small religions to the point where I cannot say one is right or not, but I also cannot say whether or not there is an ultimate being.
User avatar #120 - Deeticky (01/10/2014) [-]
I understand where you're coming from. Thanks for understanding me as well.
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User avatar #244 - scootabot (01/07/2014) [-]
This guy. ^
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User avatar #24 - scootabot (01/06/2014) [-]
Appreciate it, man.

Also, I don't really mind. They're just little red thumbs. It's cool.
#25 - scootabot (01/06/2014) [-]
<------ As did I.
#23 - Deeticky (01/06/2014) [-]
<------Forgot this.
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#25 - dedaluminus (01/06/2014) [-]
Yeah, but it's pre-existing, and surprisingly doesn't interfere with my life all that much. I can't eat beans, potatoes, nuts, certain high potassium fruits and vegetables, but I now have an excuse to eat whatever I want, wherever I am. I have to watch my fluids, because I don't pee, all the fluid gets removed directly from my veins during dialysis; however, on the plus side, I've never been a more efficient multiplayer game player. I'm never distracted by the sensation of busting for a piss. As long as I go to dialysis three times a week (with wi-fi, heated reclining chair, and an ice machine that makes the crunchiest ice ever) for 4 and a half hours, I live a pretty normal life. If you mention your blood type matches mine, though, don't be surprised if you wake up in a bathtub full of ice. Happy bongo day.
#63 - rdobet (01/06/2014) [-]
I basically piss once or twice a day already no matter how much I drink.

O- master race
#65 - dedaluminus (01/06/2014) [-]
Congratulations on your regular and robust urination.
#36 - Dwarf (01/06/2014) [-]
**Dwarf rolled a random image posted in comment #7325155 at Safe For Work Random Board ** That still makes me a little sad.
#33 - anonymous (01/06/2014) [-]
That spoiler mark...
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#59 - anonymous (01/06/2014) [-]
The last point you make is called a deistic belief. A creator that doesn't intervene.
#20 - scootabot (01/06/2014) [-]
I kinda think that God himself is a scientist. He just got a petri-dish and tossed in what he felt like, then he just kinda sat back and watch it grow, into... Whatever it is.

Whether we're his first, or his on-going experiment, who knows?

God won't directly intervene as he wants to get proper results from his experiments, much like Scientists today. Only when they have a hypothesis, will they introduce a new factor into the experiment.

I just like to think that God started this whole thing and Science is just the study of figuring out how he did it. He wouldn't be angry for people figuring it out, why would he? If anything, it's only made his experiments that more interesting. Whether we go out in a blaze of nuclear glory, or sustain our lives to the point to where resources dwindle to a slight trickle; All experiments will end and God will 'bring us home'.

And by that, I mean the elements that were used to make us will soon be put back into the universe to be used once again.

So yeah, pretty much what you said. God put forth the rules of the universe, physics and what-not. Then he just let science take the reigns. Or SHE.
#205 - anonymous (01/06/2014) [-]
I love how you maintained a friendly discussion using puppy images.
User avatar #22 - Deeticky (01/06/2014) [-]
Interesting beliefs, thank you very much for sharing them with me.

I'm sorry people thumbed you down. As the world lashes out at people with militant religious beliefs, innocent and reasonable believers like yourself seem to get caught in the crossfire. Again, I'm sorry.

User avatar #24 - scootabot (01/06/2014) [-]
Appreciate it, man.

Also, I don't really mind. They're just little red thumbs. It's cool.
#25 - scootabot (01/06/2014) [-]
<------ As did I.
#23 - Deeticky (01/06/2014) [-]
<------Forgot this.
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User avatar #160 - footballmaniac (01/06/2014) [-]
Well we generally don't like snitches very much, especially when it comes to drugs.

What do you propose he does in this situation, simply let the guy keep pulling his shit?
User avatar #161 - Deeticky (01/06/2014) [-]
I guess I see your point about the drugs, though I think you should ask yourself why you're applying a mindset related to criminal activity to this case, which is much more civil in its nature.

Well, if it were my sister being harassed by a dude, I'd begin by listening to everything she has to say about the situation. Next, I'd tell her something to make he feel a little better and/or more confident in herself. then, I'd ask her what part she played, as harassment isn't always one-sided. After that,, I'd give her advice on her next best course of action. If she solves this herself, it will make her much stronger as a person. If I embarrass her by losing my temper, it will just make her like me less.

If none of that works, I'd tell the kid, in a stern but calm voice, that if he doesn't stop harassing her, I would be going to his parents, the school, If he hurt her physically or touched her sexually without her consent, I'd go to the police. If he touched her while I was around, I'd take him down and choke him out. When he wakes up, he'd find himself lying on his stomach with my knee on his back, until the police arrived.

My point is that I'm not willing to go to jail for this kid. I know that I could beat him in a fight, so I don't need to prove it by starting one.
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User avatar #158 - footballmaniac (01/06/2014) [-]
I think you misunderstand my point. I'm all for him standing up for his sister and all, but as far as threats go, that's about as much of a pussy move as it gets. Being a drug user myself, that pisses me off even more.

My point is if he's gonna start making threats, they might as well be real ones. What OP did is almost the equivalent of "aaaawwww!!! I'm telling!!!!"
User avatar #159 - Deeticky (01/06/2014) [-]
I see what you're saying, and I agree that Facebook is a stupid place to threaten someone, but I still think that threatening the kid is immature. We need to rise above people who wrong us, not stoop to their level. If we do that, we're no better than they are. Violence, and threats thereof, should only be used when necessary to protect someone from violence.

Also, I'm not sure I understand what you being a drug user has to do with this?
User avatar #160 - footballmaniac (01/06/2014) [-]
Well we generally don't like snitches very much, especially when it comes to drugs.

What do you propose he does in this situation, simply let the guy keep pulling his shit?
User avatar #161 - Deeticky (01/06/2014) [-]
I guess I see your point about the drugs, though I think you should ask yourself why you're applying a mindset related to criminal activity to this case, which is much more civil in its nature.

Well, if it were my sister being harassed by a dude, I'd begin by listening to everything she has to say about the situation. Next, I'd tell her something to make he feel a little better and/or more confident in herself. then, I'd ask her what part she played, as harassment isn't always one-sided. After that,, I'd give her advice on her next best course of action. If she solves this herself, it will make her much stronger as a person. If I embarrass her by losing my temper, it will just make her like me less.

If none of that works, I'd tell the kid, in a stern but calm voice, that if he doesn't stop harassing her, I would be going to his parents, the school, If he hurt her physically or touched her sexually without her consent, I'd go to the police. If he touched her while I was around, I'd take him down and choke him out. When he wakes up, he'd find himself lying on his stomach with my knee on his back, until the police arrived.

My point is that I'm not willing to go to jail for this kid. I know that I could beat him in a fight, so I don't need to prove it by starting one.
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User avatar #156 - footballmaniac (01/06/2014) [-]
So threatening to beat him up is illegal, as opposed to falsely reporting him for drug possesion?

And you're right, that's exactly why he didn't confront him. Because if that kid does have an older brother, he'd be too much of a pussy to fight said older brother.
User avatar #157 - Deeticky (01/06/2014) [-]
What the OP did in this content was illegal as well. I don't support what he did either. I think either response is immature.

In either case, the "victim" (I use that term very loosely) or his family would have to press charges for anything to happen to the OP, and most people aren't willing to go through all that trouble unless they are genuinely scared for their safety. That's the whole reason trying to intimidate someone is risky. The more you succeed, the more desperate the other person may become.

I've got a sister too, so i know what it feels like to want to protect her. Words are just words though. They should be fought with your own words, not with physical intimidation, because, as I said before, that just ends up becoming a dick measuring contest.
User avatar #158 - footballmaniac (01/06/2014) [-]
I think you misunderstand my point. I'm all for him standing up for his sister and all, but as far as threats go, that's about as much of a pussy move as it gets. Being a drug user myself, that pisses me off even more.

My point is if he's gonna start making threats, they might as well be real ones. What OP did is almost the equivalent of "aaaawwww!!! I'm telling!!!!"
User avatar #159 - Deeticky (01/06/2014) [-]
I see what you're saying, and I agree that Facebook is a stupid place to threaten someone, but I still think that threatening the kid is immature. We need to rise above people who wrong us, not stoop to their level. If we do that, we're no better than they are. Violence, and threats thereof, should only be used when necessary to protect someone from violence.

Also, I'm not sure I understand what you being a drug user has to do with this?
User avatar #160 - footballmaniac (01/06/2014) [-]
Well we generally don't like snitches very much, especially when it comes to drugs.

What do you propose he does in this situation, simply let the guy keep pulling his shit?
User avatar #161 - Deeticky (01/06/2014) [-]
I guess I see your point about the drugs, though I think you should ask yourself why you're applying a mindset related to criminal activity to this case, which is much more civil in its nature.

Well, if it were my sister being harassed by a dude, I'd begin by listening to everything she has to say about the situation. Next, I'd tell her something to make he feel a little better and/or more confident in herself. then, I'd ask her what part she played, as harassment isn't always one-sided. After that,, I'd give her advice on her next best course of action. If she solves this herself, it will make her much stronger as a person. If I embarrass her by losing my temper, it will just make her like me less.

If none of that works, I'd tell the kid, in a stern but calm voice, that if he doesn't stop harassing her, I would be going to his parents, the school, If he hurt her physically or touched her sexually without her consent, I'd go to the police. If he touched her while I was around, I'd take him down and choke him out. When he wakes up, he'd find himself lying on his stomach with my knee on his back, until the police arrived.

My point is that I'm not willing to go to jail for this kid. I know that I could beat him in a fight, so I don't need to prove it by starting one.
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User avatar #128 - footballmaniac (01/05/2014) [-]
Did I say attack him? No, I said confront.

Get up in that kid's grill and I guarantee you he won't talk any more shit.
User avatar #155 - Deeticky (01/06/2014) [-]
I guess you didn't technically say attack, no. If you threaten the kid though, regardless of whether a physical attack is involved or not, you're breaking the law and could face serious charges. What if he has an older brother too? Now you've got two testosterone-fueled and enraged guys having a dick-measuring contest, both of whom think they are justified in what they're doing.

When words are all that's involved, it's much better to just report him to whomever you need to.
User avatar #156 - footballmaniac (01/06/2014) [-]
So threatening to beat him up is illegal, as opposed to falsely reporting him for drug possesion?

And you're right, that's exactly why he didn't confront him. Because if that kid does have an older brother, he'd be too much of a pussy to fight said older brother.
User avatar #157 - Deeticky (01/06/2014) [-]
What the OP did in this content was illegal as well. I don't support what he did either. I think either response is immature.

In either case, the "victim" (I use that term very loosely) or his family would have to press charges for anything to happen to the OP, and most people aren't willing to go through all that trouble unless they are genuinely scared for their safety. That's the whole reason trying to intimidate someone is risky. The more you succeed, the more desperate the other person may become.

I've got a sister too, so i know what it feels like to want to protect her. Words are just words though. They should be fought with your own words, not with physical intimidation, because, as I said before, that just ends up becoming a dick measuring contest.
User avatar #158 - footballmaniac (01/06/2014) [-]
I think you misunderstand my point. I'm all for him standing up for his sister and all, but as far as threats go, that's about as much of a pussy move as it gets. Being a drug user myself, that pisses me off even more.

My point is if he's gonna start making threats, they might as well be real ones. What OP did is almost the equivalent of "aaaawwww!!! I'm telling!!!!"
User avatar #159 - Deeticky (01/06/2014) [-]
I see what you're saying, and I agree that Facebook is a stupid place to threaten someone, but I still think that threatening the kid is immature. We need to rise above people who wrong us, not stoop to their level. If we do that, we're no better than they are. Violence, and threats thereof, should only be used when necessary to protect someone from violence.

Also, I'm not sure I understand what you being a drug user has to do with this?
User avatar #160 - footballmaniac (01/06/2014) [-]
Well we generally don't like snitches very much, especially when it comes to drugs.

What do you propose he does in this situation, simply let the guy keep pulling his shit?
User avatar #161 - Deeticky (01/06/2014) [-]
I guess I see your point about the drugs, though I think you should ask yourself why you're applying a mindset related to criminal activity to this case, which is much more civil in its nature.

Well, if it were my sister being harassed by a dude, I'd begin by listening to everything she has to say about the situation. Next, I'd tell her something to make he feel a little better and/or more confident in herself. then, I'd ask her what part she played, as harassment isn't always one-sided. After that,, I'd give her advice on her next best course of action. If she solves this herself, it will make her much stronger as a person. If I embarrass her by losing my temper, it will just make her like me less.

If none of that works, I'd tell the kid, in a stern but calm voice, that if he doesn't stop harassing her, I would be going to his parents, the school, If he hurt her physically or touched her sexually without her consent, I'd go to the police. If he touched her while I was around, I'd take him down and choke him out. When he wakes up, he'd find himself lying on his stomach with my knee on his back, until the police arrived.

My point is that I'm not willing to go to jail for this kid. I know that I could beat him in a fight, so I don't need to prove it by starting one.
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User avatar #7 - atomicman (01/17/2014) [-]
If only we got to meet each other in person. I'm sure we'd be become great friends.
#4 - traffy (01/02/2014) [-]
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User avatar #1 - CannonFodder (10/26/2012) [-]
I hadn't been on FJ for ~ 1.5 years so I don't know what has/hasn't been done. Just couldn't be ****** studying so drew that instead. Didn't mean to annoy peeps but cheers for the feedback man
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