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#183 - Let's be fair: Breitbart is not going to be the most credible …  [+] (2 replies) 09/19/2015 on N00B +1
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#196 - containlettersonly (09/19/2015) [-]
If you read the article if specifies he wouldn't answer any questions other than saying it was a clock, he didn't say why he had it, why he brought it to school, none of that. Biased sure, but not untrustworthy, if daily koz is some sort of progressive piece of course I would be skeptical, narrative trumps truth.
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#202 - Deeticky (09/19/2015) [-]
I did read the article. The thing is, he doesn't have to tell them why he had it, or why he brought it to school. The Breitbart article you cited even showed us what the charge was that the police tried to place on Ahmed. Notice the word "intent." This means that the police would need to have some of evidence of, or reasonable suspicion of, Ahmed's intent to use the hoax bomb to cause fear. There was absolutely no evidence of intent here, and also, no reasonable suspicion (A scared child not speaking in a room full of authorities asking him questions doesn't constitute reasonable suspicion).
#179 - The problem was that the school officials very obviously did n…  [+] (9 replies) 09/19/2015 on N00B +4
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#180 - dorfdorfdorf (09/19/2015) [-]
"oop, i guess after looking at it for ten minutes, it isnt a bomb. scoot on back to class, youngster"

what happens next time when it is a bomb?
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#192 - Deeticky (09/19/2015) [-]
But that's exactly what I'm saying. If they had ever felt that it was a legitimate threat, there are proper procedures to follow. They did not follow those procedures, so obviously, they did not see it as a threat.

Principal: "Ahmed, what is that?"

Ahmed: "It's a clock, I made it at home to show to the engineering teacher."

Principal: "It looks like a bomb (kind of like the one I saw in that action movie)."

Ahmed: "But it's not a bomb, it's a clock, and it looks like what a home-made electronic clock would look like."

Principal: "It's beeping like a bomb."

Ahmed: "No, it's beeping like an electronic clock with an alarm function would. You can even order kits online for making these kinds of things."

Principal: "But you're a Muslim, like the kind of person who would have a bomb."

Ahmed: "No, it's.... Wait... What?"

Principal: "The police have been called."

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#194 - dorfdorfdorf (09/19/2015) [-]
because suitcase IED's arent designed entirely around looking like something normal. that's their disguise. maybe actually arresting him was a bit much, but other than that i dont really see a problem with the schools response. and ahmed was not being a totally cooperative angel, either
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#197 - Deeticky (09/19/2015) [-]
I think that investigating the matter was absolutely an appropriate response. I agree with you there. The problem is that they did investigate the matter and still had him arrested. It actually seems like you and I agree on that point as well.

We don't know to what extent Ahmed cooperated or did not cooperate. We do know that he was not belligerent. The only claim that police have made about his cooperation was that he was "passive aggressive," which is dubious and ambiguous at best. I'll say that he seems to have been more cooperative than I think most 14 year-olds would have been.
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#198 - dorfdorfdorf (09/19/2015) [-]
a suitcase clock is going to look like a suitcase ied. he really had no reason to be passive aggressive.

carry on, mi amigo
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#203 - Deeticky (09/19/2015) [-]
But we don't even know what the police meant by "passive-aggressive." He could have just been a scared kid.

It wasn't a suitcase anyway. It was a pencil box. Only about 8x5 inches I believe.
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#184 - harshy (09/19/2015) [-]
not even sure what your argument is at this point but the school did fuck up
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#187 - dorfdorfdorf (09/19/2015) [-]
oh, the school absolutely fucked up. i didnt think that was the debate.

but i'd rather the school fuck up in a kid-gets-detained-for-a-few-hours-then-gets-invited-to-the-white-house kind of way than a incident-gets-brushed-off-and-in-two-weeks-theres-an-actual-bomb kind of way
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#188 - harshy (09/19/2015) [-]
the school fucked up in the procedure they took, i dont mind that they suspected him at all
#215 - Freedom of Speech isn't absolute (at least legally speaking) a…  [+] (1 reply) 09/10/2015 on Ha, +1
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#216 - swedishassassin (09/10/2015) [-]
And there too is my issue. Income tax or Busines tax is unconstitutional as well as the Supreme Court ruling. Just because it was judged by a court doesn't mean I have to agree with it. Schenck should be able to criticize the draft all he wants; that doesn't conflict with being required to abide by the draft

Freedom and Slavery are absolutes. Regulation or condition is non-absolute. There is no 'sorta free' or 'sorta enslaved'. This is where I cannot agree with you in any way. There's a belief that someone is more intelligent when they believe everything is relative, but that gray line isn't enlightenment; it's a fog. Sure, some things aren't clear-cut in answer, but you use your black-and-white moral guidance to make the best decision.
#253 - Did you even read what he wrote, though? The Confederate Flag …  [+] (1 reply) 08/30/2015 on The time is now 0
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#257 - emukae (08/30/2015) [-]
ill be honest i skimmed it, i didn't want to deal with it, i honestly don't care about the situation of the confederate flag
#75 - A deciding factor of what? Whether you'd be willing to sleep w…  [+] (1 reply) 08/26/2015 on Logic +1
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#79 - chillyfourohfour (08/26/2015) [-]
I figured it was mostly just a porn thing.

It all comes down to personal preference. The same as whether or not a guy shaves. It's not a huge deal either way.
#406 - Ahh, so you're Jeffersonian Republican. Makes more sense now. …  [+] (1 reply) 08/26/2015 on Bernie not playing the... -1
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#409 - alfjnn (08/26/2015) [-]
Yeah absolutely.
I always put it as simply as I can tho.
"Conservatism =/= Republicanism"

I believe in a Republic. Nothing More.
#208 - You say that you're as "Republican as can be," yet y…  [+] (5 replies) 08/23/2015 on Bernie not playing the... +3
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#284 - alfjnn (08/23/2015) [-]
Cause I'm Jeffersonian to the Max. I simply believe bernie has the right plan.
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#406 - Deeticky (08/26/2015) [-]
Ahh, so you're Jeffersonian Republican. Makes more sense now. Still curious though, given that the modern Republican party is so radically different from the Jeffersonian Republican party, is it common for people to misunderstand you when you tell them that you're Republican?
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#409 - alfjnn (08/26/2015) [-]
Yeah absolutely.
I always put it as simply as I can tho.
"Conservatism =/= Republicanism"

I believe in a Republic. Nothing More.
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#221 - CupcakeMaster (08/23/2015) [-]
Political opinion identification is a rather stupid thing anyhow. I identify as a moderate-liberal but I still support gun rights. People can have good and bad ideas, doesn't really matter whether their identification is right or wrong.
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#407 - Deeticky (08/26/2015) [-]
I agree with you to an extent. I think the type of political identification that we use is way too over-simplistic. However, I feel like using the political identification labels is necessary when discussing politics with most people as they don't necessarily posses enough political knowledge to understand another person's beliefs without using the labels.
#504 - Really? Nice! Class of 2012 myself. What about you?  [+] (1 reply) 08/19/2015 on ... 0
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#535 - Classic (08/23/2015) [-]
woah no way dude I was 2012!!! Who are you?